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4501  Other / Politics & Society / Re: City of Houston Attempts to Steal Church Land to For-Profit Business on: August 07, 2015, 05:58:50 PM
Yep, that looks like sanctioned theft.   Angry


Yep.


4502  Other / Politics & Society / Re: City of Houston Attempts to Steal Church Land to For-Profit Business on: August 07, 2015, 05:58:09 PM
Sheesh. The church comes in, and starts making a positive difference, which in turn raises the property value.... this is the very reason the government says, nope, you can't be here anymore.

Sounds like the government wants crime, surely they would like to steal the Churches land and be criminals themselves.


Let someone else, with private money and donations, do the hard work... Then have your buddy take over after the clean up. Risk free for your wallet or your life.


4503  Other / Politics & Society / City of Houston Attempts to Steal Church Land to For-Profit Business on: August 07, 2015, 05:02:53 PM



Liberty Institute sues the city for violation of Texas’ religious freedom laws




Today’s edition of Why local governments can be the absolute worst takes place in my home breaks. If you haven’t had your coffee yet, this story is enough to get your blood pumping.

Two churches nestled in what used to be one of Houston’s roughest neighborhoods are fighting back against the city. The Latter Day Deliverance Revival Center was established in the fifth ward in 1965 by Bishop Roy Lee Kossie. A few years later, Pastor Quinton Smith began pastoring at the Christian Fellowship Missionary Baptist Church, also in the fifth ward. Both churches have grown and have had a positive impact on their community in each year since their establishment. Building a youth ministry center, a church-run food bank, and creating outreach programs for gang members, drug addicts, and alcoholics, the churches continue their work to transform the fifth ward.

“When we moved in to this area, it was considered the highest crime rate area in the city of Houston. People shot first and asked questions later. But we loved these people. We loved this community. We knew this was exactly where we needed to be,” said Kossie.

The fifth ward is located just outside of downtown. Property values in the area have skyrocketed and continue to climb. The City of Houston offered to purchase the churches. When the churches refused, the city came back with threats of using eminent domain to acquire the property as part of an urban development plan.

The Liberty Institute, an organization that has over forty years of experience fighting for religious freedom jumped in to help. Monday, the Liberty Institute filed suit against the City of Houston.

On August 4, 2015, Liberty Institute filed a lawsuit against the City of Houston, asserting that the city is violating Texas’ religious freedom law, including the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act. They note that the churches have served as pillars in the Fifth Ward’s spiritual and social community for decades and that the City’s actions would force the churches out of the community they have served for over half a century.

Liberty Institute Deputy Chief Counsel Hiram Sasser says, “These churches have served this community for decades. They’ve held the neighborhood together through a lot of hard times. It’s tragic that the City of Houston wants to take the churches’ property away and give it to someone else, just so they can make money. The government cannot take a church’s property and give it to some other business in violation of the law. These churches, their congregations, and this neighborhood are not for sale.”


The suit argues, “HHA’s exercise of eminent domain to condemn the Churches’ properties violates their rights as defined by The Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act and the Texas Constitution. The HHA’s looming condemnation of the Churches’ properties would substantially burden their free exercise of religion. The HHA cannot justify this substantial burden: it lacks a compelling government interest and its plan is not narrowly tailored. Furthermore, the threatened takings are improper as the properties are not intended for “public use” as required by Article 1, Section 17 of the Texas Constitution.”

Neither church is planning to walk away without a fight.

“We’ve been here for years. We’ve watched the children grow up. We’ve been a safe place for them when things are bad at home. If the city makes us leave the Fifth Ward, what will happen to the children? We just want the City to leave us alone so we can keep helping these kids,” said Pastor Smith.

Bishop Kossie added, “This is our home. This is where the Lord called us to serve and this is where we want to stay. We aren’t giving up without a fight.”

If ever there was an example of government at its absolute worst, this is certainly it.


http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/08/city-of-houston-threatens-to-steal-land-from-decades-old-churches-using-eminent-domain/



4504  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “God bless Planned Parenthood” – PP Uses Abortions to Sell Baby Parts on: August 07, 2015, 03:23:36 PM



When do you believe the life of a human start?


4505  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Top 5 Ways Jon Stewart Was Full of Sh*t on: August 07, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
I've always hated it when people bring up Jon Stewart in an argument. His viewers (or at least most of them) watched his show to be legitimately informed about politics, but whenever he's wrong about something or he misrepresents something they always bring up the "but he's just a comedian!" defense. People wanted to have their cake and eat it too.


And that, is the definition of a progressive mind in 2015. I was never a fan of them, although I enjoy their creativity in "liberal" art  Smiley

Now their views has done a 360 and the snake is eating its tail. This will eventually create a paralysis of their philosophy, thanks to a monster they created called micro agression. How many dots there is on a circle? That's the snake right there...


4506  Other / Politics & Society / Re: DREAM OF FREE AND OPEN INTERNET DYING, LAWYER SAYS on: August 07, 2015, 03:10:24 PM
The sad thing is that websites will end up doing most of the dirty work themselves. Sites like reddit and 4chan just had moderators and owners that were perfectly fine with banning people that disagreed with them. It's political correctness that will truly be the death of the internet, not regulations. Regulations will help though...


Hmm.. Virtual moderators built in future website codes?


4507  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: August 07, 2015, 03:07:10 PM
I know all the humans are going to die. My hope is that some bacteria live. We are all just expressions of DNA, so who cares if humans survive? There is only one living creature on Earth and if part of it lives then it will bounce back in just a few million years.
It's all good.  Wink
The climate changed this morning.  I saw it myself, don't need no scientists.  I know it's our fault and I should pay carbon taxes, but it may be too late.

This really bright hot round thing started to rise up from the horizon.  At the same time the land started getting hotter.  And I calculate that it's really going to get really hot.  Then there will be heat waves and droughts and hurricanes and storms and flooding and ice and no ice and scary bad stuff like drowned puppies.



“Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!”







4508  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “God bless Planned Parenthood” – PP Uses Abortions to Sell Baby Parts on: August 07, 2015, 02:23:37 AM



Three Florida Planned Parenthood Clinics Practicing Beyond Their Licensing Authority…


Three of the 16 Planned Parenthood facilities inspected in Florida last week were performing procedures beyond their licensing authority, and one facility was not keeping proper logs relating to fetal remains, officials announced Wednesday.

The Agency for Health Care Administration released a report saying clinics in St. Petersburg, Fort Myers and Naples were performing second-trimester abortions when they were only licensed to perform first-trimester abortions. The report also found that a Pembroke Pines clinic was not following its own procedures for the labeling and dating of the disposal of fetal remains.

Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates Executive Director Laura Goodhue said in a prepared statement Wednesday night that the licensing violations resulted from the AHCA changing its definitions of gestational periods and that the centers were operating in compliance with Florida law.


http://www.wsvn.com/story/29720923/inspectors-find-violations-at-4-planned-parenthood-clinics


---------------------------------------
"Lone wolf planned parenthood clinics!!1!111!!1!"

 Roll Eyes


4509  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “God bless Planned Parenthood” – PP Uses Abortions to Sell Baby Parts on: August 07, 2015, 02:04:38 AM



Reminder:

Planned Parenthood official defends post-birth abortions
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/planned-parenthood-official-defends-post-birth-abortions


After-Birth Abortion
The pro-choice case for infanticide.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2012/03/after_birth_abortion_the_pro_choice_case_for_infanticide_.html



4510  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “God bless Planned Parenthood” – PP Uses Abortions to Sell Baby Parts on: August 07, 2015, 01:23:41 AM
Few moral questions for the people in this thread that are opposed to these practices:

1) What moral difference is there between an abortion clinic selling the parts of dead babies for stem cell research, illegally on the black market, and a marijuana dealer selling dank weed illegally on the black market?

- In this context, let's assume that no women were solicited to abort a baby for the purpose of making money - they did so for personal reasons. Please justify your answer logically.

2) If no money is involved, apart from legitimate expenses (which I think is what PP is claiming), so the tissue is purely donated to stem cell research with no profit to PP, does this change your opinion? Why?

3) If the parts were being sold to other, less wholesome organisations (such as underground clubs where people eat fetal tissue), does this change your opinion? Why?

3) If it turns out that PP executives were (illegally I think?) exaggerating the expenses costs, and putting that extra money back into the organisation for care-related use (more clinics/better patient care/better clinicians etc.), would that be immoral? Would your opinion change for this question if the money went to more indirect activity, such as advertising and government lobbying for PP?

4) If it turns out that PP executives were funneling this expenses money corruptly into their own personal pockets (to buy Lambos etc, which is obviously fraud), do you think that this is worse than cases of fraud in other organisations, such as the recent LIBOR scandal, or ENRON scandal in 2001. Bear in mind that these scandals were orders of magnitude worse in terms of money lost by innocent people.

If you think that the (unproven) fraud in 4) is worse than the other scandals I mentioned, can you give some justification why, and who the victims are?

Please try and keep your replies succinct and free of too much emotion. I know this is an emotive subject, and I'm not trying to upset anyone by being logical about it even though I may come across as cold and "Spock-like". Just trying to get past the emotion and see who are the real victims in the scandal. Feel free to answer as little or many of these questions as you like.



1) The babies were still alive when they got cut up. Their flesh needed to be viable for research. Injecting any kind of poison would defeat the purpose of the sale of those babies. If you believe in the respect of laws, one of them forbids the use of ultrasound to move the baby around, still inside the womb, to harvest its parts. This is what the person on the video says. That part was already covered and well answered by a lady (I believe she is a woman, on the internet no one knows for sure)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1122310.msg12028727#msg12028727

What moral difference is there between an abortion clinic selling the parts of still alive babies for stem cell research, and gangs in india cutting little children so they look better for begging? Absolutely no differences.
http://thecnnfreedomproject.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/04/gang-profits-from-maimed-child-beggars/


2) The Case for Adult Stem Cell Research
In recent years, new methods of cellular reprogramming have enabled the derivation of so-called induced pluripitent stem (iPS) cells, which seem to have the full powers of embryonic stem cells but are from adult body cells.
http://www.geneticsandsociety.org/section.php?id=71

Bloodletting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodletting was believed to be the most amazing advance in medicine for centuries, until it became clear it was a useless barbaric tradition, or as scientific as alchemy. The same fate will happen to the barbarism of cutting up still alive babies. Why would anyone want to defend the past is beyond me...


3.1) Like cannibalism, or eating the placenta?
http://www.webmd.com/baby/should-i-eat-my-placenta

The core of your questions is based on the belief that a baby is not human. Maybe you believe it becomes human as soon as it takes it first breath? Or maybe you believe post natal abortions is as justified as pre natal abortion? I do not believe a human, at any stage of its development, is a product, like weed in the pocket of an undercover cop. I am trying to answer based on my belief but going into that hypothesis is a moot point to me. Not a product, so no other possibilites to make money off baby body parts.

3.2) The fundamental of your question is "innocent until proven guilty, guilty being doing something like ticket scalping on a side to make pp better". Why would anyone be against cheating the IRS? How come they don't talk about what you believe they should be talking? No one forced them to say what they said in the videos. If you believe tax payers should pay more for pp then that is your position. What was that? $500M they get already? 0bamacare is supposed to do everything pp is supposed to do. PP does not need to exist, thanks to 0bamacare. Why would anyone be for government waste of money in purpose? I will never understand.


4) If a baby is a product, or commodity in your mind, then I understand your need to compare what we see in the videos, and Enron. ..." in terms of money lost by innocent people. "
Baby being cut up for profit = innocent victims. If I use your example then pp is Enron, a profiteer selling the flesh, LITTERALLY, of innoncent people.


"Spock-like"
How many hearts does mr spock have?
Vulcans only have one, but it is located where the human liver would be



You are obviously not a... Vulcan...




4511  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 06, 2015, 08:38:57 PM
The problem is that technology so heavily favors offensive potential over defensive. Nation-states prioritize offensive tech for reasons that should be obvious to any student of history. Gun control wouldn't be such a huge problem if we all had personal force-fields and/or tissue-regenerating nanobots in our bloodstream.

This is why Hawking and others theorize that few, if any, civilizations survive the transition from type I to type II. If/when a civilization's weapons tech approaches type II destructive potential before that civ's social evolution reaches type II creative potential, it's game over for that planet.

This is the reason I believe we must rid ourselves of the nation state ASAP.

Once immortality is available through trans-humanism (or whatever-the-fuck it's called) it should be quite possible to convince a lot of Utopian greenies to drink the cool-aid and thus save Mother Gaia for the whole.  I can't wait.  I'd crack a beer, BBQ a steak, and watch the entertainment.  I may even fire off a few rounds into the air in celebration.




If everyone is immortal why waste rounds into the air for celebration?

 Cool


4512  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russia hacks Pentagon computers: NBC, citing sources on: August 06, 2015, 08:35:25 PM





4513  Other / Politics & Society / Russia hacks Pentagon computers: NBC, citing sources on: August 06, 2015, 07:21:17 PM






U.S. officials tell NBC News that Russia launched a "sophisticated cyberattack" against the Pentagon's Joint Staff unclassified email system, which has been shut down and taken off line for nearly two weeks. According to the officials, the "sophisticated cyber intrusion" occurred sometime around July 25 and affected some 4,000 military and civilian personnel work for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Sources tell NBC News that it appears the cyberattack relied on some kind of automated system that rapidly gathered massive amounts of data and within a minute distributed all the information to thousands of accounts on the Internet. The officials also report the suspected Russian hackers coordinated the sophisticated cyberassault via encrypted accounts on social media.

While the officials say its not clear whether the attack was sanctioned by the Russian government or conducted by individuals given the scope of the attack, "It was clearly the work of a state actor."
The officials stress that no classified information was seized or compromised and that only unclassified accounts and emails were hacked.

Almost immediately after the cyberattack was detected the Pentagon took the aggressive step of shutting down the entire Joint Staff unclassified email system and Internet during its investigation. The system should be back on line before the end of this week.

This story is developing. Please check back for further updates.



http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/06/russia-hacks-pentagon-computers-nbc-citing-sources.html?__source=newsletter|breakingnews



4514  Other / Politics & Society / Re: /r/IAmA, /r/AskReddit and many other subreddits are private now on: August 06, 2015, 05:33:51 PM



https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3g0m26/you_people_are_the_cancer_of_reddit/


4515  Other / Politics & Society / Re: /r/IAmA, /r/AskReddit and many other subreddits are private now on: August 06, 2015, 05:26:13 PM
Funny.... Reddit 'forgot' to ban one group:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays


 Roll Eyes




Not just one group. There are many subs that are more than questionable. I guess they just got more complaints about FPH.


And from where most of those complaints came from? Hmm... r/SRS?



4516  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Top 5 Ways Jon Stewart Was Full of Sh*t on: August 06, 2015, 05:04:42 PM
That's exactly how I started feeling about Jon Stewart, I thought the guy was great in his prime, but as the years went by no matter how angsty he might get about it he started towing the political mainstream line far too much when before he would call both sides out on their bullshit. Remember during one of the campaigns how they mocked both Democrats and Republicans at the same time? Gone now, I wonder if it's partly because he was planning on leaving he started playing it safe and going after the easy targets like racists and homophobes.

I am not looking forward to Trevor Noah at all, I suspect he'll be really bad, because as bad as Jon Stewart could get he at least had some self-respect and could admit when he was wrong but oh dear. Thank fuck Top Gear got onto Amazon and Bill Maher is still kicking around otherwise I don't know what we'd all do if we didn't have them calling people out on their bullshit.

I think what happened was he got far too much political power (which I don't think he was actively seeking) and TPTB gave him an offer he couldn't refuse honestly.

Bill Maher? Really? I consider him a bigger knob and sell out than John Stewart ever was.

Hello, John Stewart.

You are welcome to respond here on bitcointalk.org and explain why you are full of shit (or why you are not.)

Be sure to explain how much more money someone paid you to act "correctly."  You see, some of us would like to know what the scale of these payoffs are.

Thanks.


Jon stewart is not a fan of anything NOT controlled by a big government.... But the payoff was good.

Jon Stewart Secretly Met with Obama, Worked ‘In Concert’ with White House


The host of Comedy Central’s The Daily Show Jon Stewart secretly met with President Barack Obama at the White House on at least two occasions, which were followed with on-air attacks on Obama’s political enemies.

Politico’s Darren Samuelsohn wrote his paper’s farewell to Stewart, who is set to retire from The Daily Show next Thursday. He notes that Stewart had an enormous effect on national politics, but sometimes “that effect took the form of either prodding, or working in concert with, the Obama administration.”

Samuelsohn reports that Stewart visited the Oval Office in the fall of 2011 to privately meet with Obama, in the midst of heated budget negotiations. According to former Obama aide Austan Goolsbee, “the president wanted to counter his critics on the left and lay the groundwork for his 2012 re-election campaign.”

In 2014, the president met with Stewart during the early days of the Ukraine crisis. Later that day, Obama announced that there would be harsh consequences for Russia if they continued their aggression towards Ukraine. In his first show after the meeting, Stewart– who had skewered the aggressive cowboy stances of George W. Bush during his presidency– ran an opening segment mocking… Vladimir Putin.

“In a segment titled ‘It’s a Vlad, Vlad, Vlad, Vlad World,’ Stewart giggled as he displayed a picture of the shirtless Russian leader — ‘Heil Titler,’ he joked,” reports Politico. “Then he showed a video of Vladimir Putin at the Winter Olympics in Sochi and wondered if he was ‘even paying attention at the Olympics? … Or did you consider the parade of nations a browsing opportunity?’”


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-secretly-met-with-obama-worked-in-concert-with-white-house/


He was a TOTAL SELLOUT...



4517  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “God bless Planned Parenthood” – PP Uses Abortions to Sell Baby Parts on: August 06, 2015, 04:57:15 PM



Your Tax Dollars at Work
Firm Named in PP Video Sold Fetal Tissue to Govt for $300K



A company identified as a fetal tissue supplier in the sting videos of Planned Parenthood earned at least $300,000 from government agencies for material used in research of treatments for HIV and eye disease, but it is unknown whether the tissue came from abortions performed at Planned Parenthood clinics, officials told Politico.

Advanced Bioscience Resources (ABR) has had contracts with the National Institutes of Health and the Food and Drug Administration since 2009.

Planned Parenthood has denied that its clinics sell fetal tissue, instead donating tissue for research with patients' consent and taking fees only to cover costs. It accuses the Center for Medical Progress, which released the videos, of distorting its practices.

The Senate Judiciary Committee, however, has launched a probe and is asking three tissue procurement companies mentioned in the videos for information about their connections with Planned Parenthood.

In one of the videos, Katharine Sheehan, a former medical director of Planned Parenthood Pacific Southwest, mentioned the company.

"We have already a relationship with ABR," she said to someone posing as a competitor to ABR, according to Politico. "We've been using them for over 20 years — a really long time… They're doing the big collection for government-level collections."

Officials told Politico that the National Institutes of Health paid Advanced Bioscience Resources $257,000 since 2009, including roughly $53,000 in 2014. Some of the tissue came from fetuses that were between 17 and 22 weeks old.

Federal health officials told the Food and Drug Administration it had paid roughly $73,000 to the company since 2009, mainly for liver and thymus tissue. This is often used to develop immune systems in mice to test new drug therapies.

Advanced Bioscience Resources, based in California, charged the government $340 for a 17- to 22-week human fetal thymus, $340 for a 17- to 22-week human fetal liver, $325 for a maternal blood test, and $120 for Fed Ex overnight shipping.

"Voluntary donation of tissue for research has helped understand, treat, and cure a number of conditions and diseases that affect millions of Americans, and it has enjoyed bipartisan support and the support of leading scientists and disease groups," Health and Human Services spokesman Kevin Griffis said in a statement, according to Politico.

"We make clear to all our grantees and researchers the legal obligations they are under and we know of no violations of laws in connection with the research done at our agencies."

In the aftermath of the videos, Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood has insisted that the organization has done nothing wrong. 


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/planned-parenthood-fetal-tissue-abs-sale/2015/08/06/id/665693/#ixzz3i2otglbc



4518  Other / Politics & Society / DREAM OF FREE AND OPEN INTERNET DYING, LAWYER SAYS on: August 06, 2015, 04:15:12 PM



LAS VEGAS (AP) -- The dream of a free and open Internet is slowly being killed by overregulation, censorship and bad laws that don't stop the right people, a top computer crime defense lawyer says.

The annual Black Hat computer security conference in Las Vegas kicked off Wednesday with a keynote address from Jennifer Granick, director of Civil Liberties at the Stanford Center for Internet and Society. Granick said that while the Internet needs to be reasonably safe in order to be functional, it's no longer the revolutionary place it was 20 years ago.

No one is murdering the dream of an open Internet, she said, but it's withering away because no one is prioritizing its protection. On top of that, new Internet users are coming from countries whose citizens aren't protected by a Bill of Rights or a First Amendment.

"Should we be worrying about another terrorist attack in New York, or about journalists and human rights advocates being able to do their jobs?" she asked.

Granick also railed against the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which carries sentences of up to 10 years in prison for a first-time offense. It does nothing to prosecute countries like China that launch state-sponsored attacks against the U.S. government and major companies, along with other dangerous hackers based overseas, she said. But, she added, it often hits small-time American hackers with unfairly harsh prison sentences.

In a separate briefing later Wednesday, Leonard Bailey of the Department of Justice's Computer Crime and Intellectual Property section, said that in most cases, prosecutions of computer crimes are very "reasonable" and not "prosecutors gone wild."

"But all it takes is one flogging in the public square and there's a chilling effect," he says. "So, we have to try to get this right."

A slew of hackers and information security professionals took the stage at Black Hat later on Wednesday.

One of the most popular talks featured Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek, who gained fame recently by hacking into and taking control of a Jeep Cherokee, prompting Fiat Chrysler to recall 1.4 million vehicles to fix the problem.

In a light-hearted talk in a packed ballroom that was often interrupted by applause, the pair detailed how they spent a year hacking into the Jeep, before ultimately infiltrating it through the cellular connection in its radio and then connecting to its controls.

Wednesday's later talks were set to include sessions on the cloning of contactless payment devices such as Apple Pay and Google Wallet, along with the hacking of gas pumps, new research on the prevalence of Internet scams and the hacking of Square Inc.'s mobile credit card-reading devices.

The conference continues on Thursday with sessions featuring the hacking of an Internet-connected sniper rifle, a look at ransomware and a discussion of the hidden risks of biometric identification.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BLACK_HAT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-05-17-19-03


4519  Other / Politics & Society / Re: IRS claims it has LOST two years' worth of emails from former official Lerner on: August 06, 2015, 03:32:58 PM



Well, as long as it wasn’t partisan I guess.

All of those miraculously recovered IRS emails – 1.5 million pages at least – have been under the microscope at the Senate Finance Committee. They released a new preliminary report this week which has more bad news for Lois Lerner and company, including a few eye openers which were highlighted by Orin Hatch. One in particular should really catch the attention of those who, for some reason, still aren’t completely convinced of Ms. Lerner’s unbiased, bipartisan credentials. In it, she indicates that she considered opening an investigation into a charity who employed Bristol Palin as a celebrity spokesperson. (USA Today)

[...]
The entire “mission” of Lerner and her team as regards these investigations was to root out political organizations posing as charities to gain a tax benefit and other protections, wasn’t it? If you accept all of the campaign finance reform arguments, then you might agree that this was a noble cause. But she was talking about Candie’s Foundation. It’s an organization with the sole purpose of cutting down on the number of teen pregnancies. Extrapolating from that a bit, they no doubt are involved in the issue of getting contraception out there to sexually active teens and who knows where they come down on the abortion issue. First, how is that a political organization in any way shape or form? And second, even if they were, does that really sound like a conservative magnet group?

And yet they drew Lerner’s attention because of their relationship with Bristol Palin. Never mind for a moment that Bristol was not and is not a politician. But she’s associated with her famous mother and therefore provides a convenient target. Her personal politics are unknown to me and I doubt they are of much concern to Candie’s Foundation. But she definitely was famous and she was also a teenager who became pregnant. Sounds like a pretty good fit to me if you’re in the market for a celebrity endorsement, and still pretty much outside the realm of politics.

Should the IRS be investigating the ASPCA over their use of Sarah McLachlan and her tear jerking songs? (Well, they should be investigating them over some things, I’m sure, but not their tax status or who they have pitching for them.) It’s kind of ironic that Sarah Palin’s daughter might be the one who winds up bringing down Lerner because she was probably the least political person they could have investigated.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/06/emails-reveal-lerner-considered-targeting-bristol-palin/


4520  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: August 06, 2015, 03:19:50 PM

Hi All.

Over the last few days I became aware of the 'Technocracy' movement which, if I'd heard of it before, went in one ear and out the other.  Once in a while something which fits a lot of pieces of a puzzle together quite well comes along and it is exhilarating for want of a better term.  This is one of these times.  In my various research I've not been able to put together certain aspects of economy, politics, technology, etc very convincingly though my own thesis about corporatism and fascism came relatively close to the new (to me) information.

I do suggest that those interested in 'carbon' take the time to familiarize themselves with the Technocracy movement which dates back to the 1930's in a fairly tangible way and, at the time, included M. King Hubberd of 'peak oil' fame.  Here's a tantalizing bit of their doctrine:

Code:
 1. Register on a continuing basis the 24 hour-per-day basis of the total net conversion of energy.

 2. By means of registration of energy converted and consumed, make possible a “balanced load”.

 3. Provide a continuous inventory of all production and consumption. [Scott, Howard, et al, Technocracy Study Course, p. 232]Think: datamining.[

 ...

One Patrick Wood has done a lot of work on the Trilateral Commission for decades and gives a run-down of the nature and relationship between this and Technocracy with some convincing documentation of the tie-in (and good info on both subjects) here.  It's a good intro for anyone who is interested, and I suggest that it is highly valuable in understanding the global climate change issues of today.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHWrceNajf4

In looking around for more info, I see that one of my perennial favorites, James Corbett, at least claims to have done some work along these lines over the years, and I found an Alan Watt who pointed them out some years ago in general association with the 'new world order'.

There exist a website for Technocracy, Inc which was the formal organization set up in the 1930's and operating at Columbia.  My feeling is that the material presented there is designed to paint a picture of a bunch of long-ago failed losers and incompetent Utopians, and I would be suspicious that this is the goal of the presentations on-line.

My own rejection of whatever we are moving toward currently (which I've identified as corporatism with collectivist marketing) can only end in totalitarianism which I personally fear like the plague...or even worse than the plague to be accurate.  Here is a rather well made post war vid from the Technocracy movement.  I find it fascinating historically.  One can imagine the movements expression at the time being a turn-off to Americans who had just suffered significant losses (and gains which were less obvious to the bullet-stopper classes) due to the fascist movements in Europe.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDX9dyjqimA


The youtube video of the old film is rather amazing.  Some of those trends of thought were clearly incorporated into modern totalitarian/fascist/progressive liberal ideas, or as I call it Perverted Authoritarian Liberal Control Freaks (Freakism, in this context).




"Old is new. New is old."


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