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4521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: after Jp morgan Now valdmir putin attaking crypto market on: October 31, 2017, 06:35:17 PM
Vladimir Putin: Cryptocurrency Poses 'Serious Risks'

let's see who huts the most putin or jp morgan....

https://www.coindesk.com/vladimir-putin-cryptocurrency-poses-serious-risks/

I am now confused with the news coming from Russia. One day it says Putin is ready to sign and showed support for the new Russian cryptocurrency, and then the next day it says Putin is attacking cryptocurrency. But I guess the main stand for this government is still to make its own crypto. Putin is attacking the crypto that we know now because it seems to have no need to respect any government. It is too independent. And Putin wants absolute power.
Putin is not attacking cryptocurrencies... Please read the full interview.
The problem is people don't read. They just see headlines, jump into conclusions and then start creating unnecessary FUD and then we have the gullible ones falling for it. Putin was never against crypto and in the news, it was stated clearly that he voiced his support for new rules around its trading by using international examples as a guide to develop such regulations.

What is so hard to understand in that ? And I do not see anything bad in all he has stated recently as every government is now trying to see how the whole thing can be regulated so as not to go against their policies which to me is a sensible thing to do.
Yeah, like moths flying into a lamp even though it will burn them. Just that moths have ridiculously tiny brains. Humans should be seeing their demise coming from a mile away though, so it's quite strange that people keep repeating the same mistakes over and over for centuries.

On another note, there was an article on CNBC that pretty much directly attacked cryptos. So it seems like crypto is being taken very seriously by regulators now.
4522  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Waves hold for longterm Good or Not? on: October 31, 2017, 06:32:48 PM
Because what it means to be "rich" depends on your circumstances. If you make 100k a year in California you're pretty much poor. The same 100k in Thailand would make you pretty rich. So a 10k investment that turns into 1 million in 3 years (good luck) will not make you rich in many places on this planet. 1 Million USD is not a lot of money and in most places won't even be enough to live the rest of your life without working, nevermind a wealthy life.

Ok, there are millions of super places in earth but if you want to live in Hollywood, then don't buy Waves. Smiley
This discussion is pretty much pointless, since I could buy a lot of real estate and live my life without working again for only 1 million USD.
Did you read my post?

You definitely can't buy "a lot of real estate" in most developed cities in this world. Even smaller cities have ~3 room apartments that cost anywhere from 300 to 500 thousand USD. The rent that you'd collect, minus all costs, would be enough to sustain your life without working if you're going to live in a tiny apartment in a "lower-end" city yourself, sure. But that would be a barely average lifestyle.

Did you read my post?

300k USD for a house, LOL. I can buy at least 12 houses for 1 million USD. For that rent money I can live all my life without working.
So, Waves will make me rich when it gets 100x.
You're either illiterate or trolling. But whatever, enjoy living in a dump in some run-down city.
4523  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin rise to $500k in three years? on: October 31, 2017, 06:31:41 PM
Yes , there is possibility this will happen but i'm not encourage for it as well. Cause if Bitcoin rise the price to 500k$ , trust me, the inflation will increase with it. So it's good for Bitcoin's holder, but actually it's really bad to the whole world.
Inflation won't increase with it because of the limited supply of Bitcoins. If Bitcoin was $500k then you could only have 8 Million people with 1 Million USD worth of Bitcoin (2 Bitcoins each). And that's not even 0.1% of the world's population, and thus nowhere close to driving any inflation.
4524  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: October 31, 2017, 06:29:19 PM
MCO got program manager status. While other cards have to negotiate with third parties for every minor change, Monaco can create his own policy.
So they can make new assets so dont worry
Of course they can make any number of new assets. But if those assets don't have any utility they're worthless. And right now the MCO token has lost its appeal as a token that will allow you to earn platform fees.
4525  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoins are dying on: October 31, 2017, 06:27:53 PM
despite altcoins price has dropped recently, many people are changing into bitcoin, but many people still keep using altcoins for transactions, so as long as altcoins still be used by us, altcoins will never die.
It depends on the altcoin being used. Some are actually coming up with good projects that would make them to be used and stay relevant in the community and if this can keep going on for them with some pretty big developments for them over time, then they surely cannot die.

But if you look at the market today, some of the altcoins dev have even dropped theirs and the few people holding are just stucked with a shit coin and no one to buy making it worthless, those sort of coins are dead!
Lots of coins without any real utility beyond speculation around too... I'm surprised they even manage to gain any grounds withouth offering anything in return. Sure resembles Kickstarter and Gofundme "projects" that just collect money without giving anything back for it.
4526  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: October 31, 2017, 06:19:44 PM
are you talking about the 1% fee?
I'm talking about all fees associated with the card. That number was going to be massive in the mid to long term future, which would've been enough to create a massive passive income with even a moderate investment today. But now that's just randomly gone with nothing there to replace it.
4527  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Waves hold for longterm Good or Not? on: October 31, 2017, 06:17:51 PM
Because what it means to be "rich" depends on your circumstances. If you make 100k a year in California you're pretty much poor. The same 100k in Thailand would make you pretty rich. So a 10k investment that turns into 1 million in 3 years (good luck) will not make you rich in many places on this planet. 1 Million USD is not a lot of money and in most places won't even be enough to live the rest of your life without working, nevermind a wealthy life.

Ok, there are millions of super places in earth but if you want to live in Hollywood, then don't buy Waves. Smiley
This discussion is pretty much pointless, since I could buy a lot of real estate and live my life without working again for only 1 million USD.
Did you read my post?

You definitely can't buy "a lot of real estate" in most developed cities in this world. Even smaller cities have ~3 room apartments that cost anywhere from 300 to 500 thousand USD. The rent that you'd collect, minus all costs, would be enough to sustain your life without working if you're going to live in a tiny apartment in a "lower-end" city yourself, sure. But that would be a barely average lifestyle.
4528  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: October 31, 2017, 06:15:09 PM
just to get a debit (not even credit) card.

Isn't debit card better?

We should get some answers in q&a video which suppose to be published tomorrow.
Credit cards don't require you to have a balance. You pay a bill later instead. So which is better depends on how you use it.

But the point of that sentence, that you have to lock up thousands of dollars to get a card.

And the point of the post was to bring light to the fact that the biggest attractor (for any serious investor) has been removed without any replacement in sight. Investors were promised that they would be able to earn their share of fees that the MonaCo platform accumulates. This is no longer possible!
4529  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / MonaCo's latest announcement - Visa confirmed, Asset Contract REMOVED on: October 31, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Already posted this in their ANN, but it'll just get drowned out by the spamming shills over there, so I'm posting this in a separate thread for discussion on here.

What was promised during the ICO:

MCO - a token that will be used to reserve platinum tiered debit cards and that will be redeemable for a proportion of the fees earned by the MCO platform. Thus a highly valuable token redeeming it would've granted a portion of the earnings while reducing the existing supply, which would thus further drive up the price. In this situation there were a total of three factors that would've driven the price up individually in the long run.

What we get now:
MCO - a token that will be used to reserve platinum tiered debit cards, period. Nothing else. And I've already outlined above why this won't be a very lucrative price driver with fixed numbers. With a dynamic amount of tokens required to reserve the card (e.g. token price up, required amount down) this could be somewhat countered, but it still won't get anywhere close to what was promised during the ICO.


Thus, with the asset contract removed and no alternative proposed that complies with laws and circumvents delisting from Bittrex, the MonaCo Token has just lost the most important driving force behind its future price.

Clueless shills try to convince people that having to lock up MCO to obtain a platinum card will have a significant impact on the price. But that's just a shortterm speculative argument which is completely irrelevant for any serious investor and does not come anywhere close to what was promised during the ICO.
If the token price goes back up to $20, even the lowest platinum tiered card would lock up $1000 for 6 months. And if any significant amount of people is to use MCO platinum cards, this number multiplies many times over. In reality however, there aren't going to be a lot of people who will want to put down thousands of dollars on lock just to get a debit (not even credit) card.


Shills: But this is better than not getting listed on Bittrex!

Nonsense. There are other exchanges which are just fine. The only sound argument for this move is not being able to get a Visa deal without complying with some countries' laws. However, as we can see with SONM there are ways to work around buy-and-burn and dividends models. So just dropping the earnings section entirely is neither required nor is it fair, as ICO investors and token holders were promised to be able to participate in the fees incurred through the use of the MonaCo platform.



In the short term the Visa news is going to excite some people and lock up a bunch of MCO, thus driving up the price. But in the long term this isn't even a drop in the ocean that was promised during the ICO.

How do people feel about this? (And please avoid posting pointless one-liner memes.)
4530  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: October 31, 2017, 05:59:11 PM
What was promised during the ICO:

MCO - a token that will be used to reserve platinum tiered debit cards and that will be redeemable for a proportion of the fees earned by the MCO platform. Thus a highly valuable token redeeming it would've granted a portion of the earnings while reducing the existing supply, which would thus further drive up the price. In this situation there were a total of three factors that would've driven the price up individually in the long run.

What we get now:
MCO - a token that will be used to reserve platinum tiered debit cards, period. Nothing else. And I've already outlined above why this won't be a very lucrative price driver with fixed numbers. With a dynamic amount of tokens required to reserve the card (e.g. token price up, required amount down) this could be somewhat countered, but it still won't get anywhere close to what was promised during the ICO.


Thus, with the asset contract removed and no alternative proposed that complies with laws and circumvents delisting from Bittrex, the MonaCo Token has just lost the most important driving force behind its future price.

Clueless shills try to convince people that having to lock up MCO to obtain a platinum card will have a significant impact on the price. But that's just a shortterm speculative argument which is completely irrelevant for any serious investor and does not come anywhere close to what was promised during the ICO.
If the token price goes back up to $20, even the lowest platinum tiered card would lock up $1000 for 6 months. And if any significant amount of people is to use MCO platinum cards, this number multiplies many times over. In reality however, there aren't going to be a lot of people who will want to put down thousands of dollars on lock just to get a debit (not even credit) card.


Shills: But this is better than not getting listed on Bittrex!

Nonsense. There are other exchanges which are just fine. The only sound argument for this move is not being able to get a Visa deal without complying with some countries' laws. However, as we can see with SONM there are ways to work around buy-and-burn and dividends models. So just dropping the earnings section entirely is neither required nor is it fair, as ICO investors and token holders were promised to be able to participate in the fees incurred through the use of the MonaCo platform.


Hopefully Kris will address this, but it seems like it's already set in stone anyways. And if so, I'll be pulling out of this one.
4531  Economy / Speculation / Re: Investing without Programming Skills on: October 31, 2017, 05:21:26 PM
I'm afraid to invest cause I don't have any programming background. Some say that I need it, some just advise to try and figure out if it's crucial.

So, I decided to try to invest. Maybe some of you know platform/project which requires no programming skills or at least has super simple interface and other stuff?

I think programming skills have little effects to our investments. My principle is to take advantage of potential that exists inself. Optimize existing skills and learn what we need to support.

On investment, you may think having expertise in programming can help earned more profitable or more accurate analysis. So learn programming, as long as there is willingness whenever we can (although not be an expert).

I think a major in business is the most suitable or accountant for investing and maintaining your money well but I think yes if a person have a willingness to learn I think he can sure obtain a skill in analysing what is good and bad to make investment from, you don't need programming skills or anything but sure thing that you need is courage in taking up the risk because without risk you can not succeed in investing because it will sure involve a great risk and like a gamble that you would sure win or lose anytime.
A major in business is bullshit and a waste of time. If you really want to understand how the world works study Mathematics or at least Statistics and then apply what you've learned to real world problems - which are just Math problems with different names. Meanwhile, a business major is full of silly essays and story telling, completely useless for understanding new situations.
4532  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Well educated nation is the key? on: October 31, 2017, 05:17:36 PM
It's a... um... no-brainer.  Grin

A nation, especially a democracy, is only as strong as it's citizens. A "well-educated" citizenry would be better equipped in fixing their country, making their lives better and yes - less likely to vote for demagogues.
I don't really have a problem with demagogues if they speak the truth and understand the problems of their country. Just because someone is well-spoken and politically correct doesn't mean that they care about their citizens, or even understand what is needed.

The problem is that some people are sleek-tongued snakes. I mean, an example from ancient times would be all the disastrous campaigns Athens made due to the public being blinded by the quest for glory. A politically-savvy and erudite populace should be able to tell whether the promises are realistic.
True. But unfortunately most people aren't savvy enough to realize what they are capable of understanding and what not. And then we end up with nonsense like in the US.

Unfortunately. Citizens have to be well-rounded, or at least fairly knowledgeable of how their own legal system works, basic politics, etc. Even if you have an entire country of scientists, if they think with their emotions when it comes to politics, then that is still no good.
Yeah, Google is a great example of this. It's unbelievable that they actually fired that engineer over an extremely well-written and thoughtful memo. Made me lose all respect for Alphabet.
4533  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] SONM: Supercomputer Organized by Network Mining on: October 31, 2017, 05:14:25 PM
I can not wait for the price of sonm to rise high  Grin
Hold on to your bag tight and you will be rewarded. Crypto is still in it's early days, all altcoins can easily flip over a few times when the total marketcap of crypto goes to the roof when it gets more adoption in the whole world. Even DOGE, a non active developed altcoin went x3 and is prety stable atm. Let's wait for at least 1 more year and than we can judge the price.
Careful with this approach. It's definitely not true that "all altcoins" can easily flip over a few times. Most will eventually crumble and die, because most are either scams, directed by people who have no clue what they are doing, or simply try to do things in ways that aren't practical or realistic.
4534  Economy / Economics / Re: Does this mean Cash will be extinct? on: October 31, 2017, 05:12:36 PM
this is just bullshit, bitcoin is a digital currency, and paper money is the currency that is always used for the exchange of tools that is recognized throughout the world. besides bitcoin will not do any good if it can not be exchanged for paper money.
You don't seem to understand money... Also, just because something has "always" been used doesn't mean it's the best way to do things. And paper money has only existed for roughly 1000 years, so we definitely can't talk about "always used" to begin with.
There are many benefits of dumping both fiat and physical money in favour of a cryptographic alternative, regardless of whether or not that alternative is Bitcoin. Physical money wastes a large amount of resources, and fiat money is inherently worthless and gives too much power to the group that issues it. So no, the only "bullshit" here is your uninformed post.
4535  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is DogeCoin even worth buying? on: October 31, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
Nobody asked a question. Why does DogeCoin have such a strange schedule? People do not trade like that. I think that there are robots trading there.
How do you know what people trade like? lol

And of course there are some bots in the market, that is the case for literally every asset that can be accessed via an API.
4536  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.10.0 on: October 31, 2017, 04:53:22 PM
what will happen if soft cap is not reached?
What do you mean? Doge isn't capped.
4537  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin rise to $500k in three years? on: October 31, 2017, 04:52:10 PM
So guys, what do you think about McAfee prediction - will Bitcoin jump to $500 000 till August 2020?
hopefully mcAfee's prediction really happened. If that happens, it is very surprising for the miners, and possibly also, there will be many newcomers or miners to participate in bitcoin world and will be many people who invest in bitcoin world .. hopefully that prediction really happened.
If it happens more people will start mining as the price increases, which will increase the network hashrate and thus lower the profits down to similar levels as they have been.
4538  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] SONM: Supercomputer Organized by Network Mining on: October 31, 2017, 04:50:47 PM
I am following SONM for a while and want to buy a bigger stake since it is one of the most promising project I discovered on my research. I am looking for a roadmap of the next development and project milestones. Is a roadmap available and if so where can I find it?
The latest roadmap is on their blog, which you can find a link to on their website.
4539  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.10.0 on: October 31, 2017, 03:10:26 PM
DOGECOIN is on investing.com
Dogecoin is investing.com. Please stop considering Doge as a joke coin. There are millions of $ invested in it. This coin has one of the fastest and cheapest transactions available in the market and it has potentials of skyrocketing high. It just has to be marketed differently. just wait for doge prepaid cards, cryptocoins ATMs and supermarket scanning QR codes and you get the picture Smiley coins could be used on main websites like amazon or ebay (of course we will have to convince Bezos and/or others) but the future is there if we want it

DOGECOIN WILL HIT $1 SOON. INTELLIGENT PEOPLES HOLDING DOGECOIN IN WALLET NOW.
And who is out there lobbying for those things? Who is pushing supermarkets towards adopting Doge? Who is setting up Doge ATMs?
4540  Economy / Economics / Re: Why economists say Bitcoin a bubble on: October 31, 2017, 03:08:10 PM
Bitcoin have huge market whose can not be in bubble. Maybe in 100 years but not now. I am sure about this
Bitcoin is probably going to lose its spot at the top much sooner than 100 years, although it should still take several decades.
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