Vodafone seems to have taken a huge hit too, I'm down 50% with them.

But everything's down. Tesco and morrisons both had a stock fall and you can't say people haven't been using grocery stores these past few days...

Utility companies are also down, but tha tight be reasonable since there may be issues with sewage in a few days/weeks if people couldn't use toilet rolls and couldnt be bothered to step in the shower.

It's a bit of a monopoly for the other three, hopefully Europe has the sense by now to know it's much safer to spectate than to participate (for its citizens).

And the other countries have a bit of aonopoly on ammunition, whereas we just have nuclear (lots of it but it's more of a defensive weapon afaik).

The middle east don't rseem to have the resources for a war... I thought Iran were the only miners of it too and they're the main power over there...

As long as Russia, the US, China or the European forces don't get involved, it will probably just have an isolated effect...

Also, are the middle east not already at war? I predict them to go to war yesterday! Woooo me

I'd look to break 5850 and then 6000 before thinking of opening a long for contract trading. Standard buys should've executed by now at 5050-4300 and anywhere between... Only time will tell what we're going to end up doing. Although 2k in either direction isn't unexpected for me anymore

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Other ineresting news, on etoro, only 62% of investors lose money. That's a very low number afaik the average is around 72-76%...

Wow you're in better shape than the UK then! You can't buy pasta here .

Do food shops still deliver? Can you still buy cutlery?

It's very unlikely Ubuntu will be cracked and you can normally verify its signature when you download it on a chromebook.

I don't know why they recommended bit address when a mnemonic seed would give you a lot of addresses and will be less likely to cause errors. It also depends on how long you store this stuff for too, I have papers from 15 years ago that are still good but if the qr code you print off is small, you run the risk of it not being scannable when you come to redeem your funds.

And from the bitcoin wiki: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Paper_wallet

It's unsafe because a tiny bit of water can damage the ink thst you write a key with and everything's gone... Writing a mnemonic isn't much better and I'd urge you to buy at least some sort of waterproof case for it.

This all depends on how much btc you want to store, if it's value is more than 10x of a cheap but well built laptop, you might be better off getting one and keeping it permenantly offline.

If you're not going in with thst much just jet, I'd suggest booting Ubuntu from a USB and download electrum. Make a new standard wallet writing down your seed and put your public key on your chrome book with electrum on it so you can send funds there, keep several copied of the seed mnemonic and potentially keep a copy on another USB drive or other media (encrypted) for extra reproducibility.

2nd wave already hit the shelves, almost everything's gone...

Also to sustain someone for 120, I worked out, would take 12kg of rice and 12kg of pasta: imagine going to a checkout with that much at once (unless its tesco since they do sell bags that huge)...


The next debate would be where I store something that huge too...

Edit, if I put 60k in an investment now-2 years time, what's the likelihood of the markets 10xing like they have done in around 40 years? ()

That'd be some nice retirement...

The bounce has also continued on etoro.

I bought 24 rolls before Christmas and have enough for another 12 weeks... I'm pretty good on that front 🤣.

I anticipate a supply chain issue of about 4 weeks in advance so i buy everything non perishable a month in advance...

If you don't mind filming and editing the footage then I'd be in on that (I do NOT want to see the end product though ).


Can you breath through them or does air not come in through the sides?
I watched a guy making one, he did a consetina and stapled rubber bands to the ends (to hold the paper in place too) and then put round his ears...

Oxygen mollecules are 150 picometres in size
Water mollecules are 275 picometres in size.

Looking through a couple of sites it seems to be a description of how to send the funds to your client (as in a placeholder for the address the funds are sent to), this'll generally be the address of the user receiving the funds.

I'm curently looking at the speculation of the UK going into lockdown and I'm wondering how Wuhan has managed grocery shopping so far, if things have been in enough supply or if there are aspects we're not hearing but probably should.

The UK and US seem unprepared for a lockdown if nothing is offered in advance (I do buy non-fresh groceries 4 weeks in advance - in case of supply chain issues - but I doubt many people do this). And recently seeing pasta leave the shelves, along with eggs and flour but lashings of dolmio and homepride pasta sauces that stay there, also the tinned food doesn't seem to be going down well... Is it worth preparing for a potential 40 day isolation with enough food to handle it?

Typically speaking, per person I could see this being:
• 10kg of potatoes/6 packets of stuffing (or equivelant)
• 40+ cans of soup/curry/instant noodle stuff
• 5 or 6 cans of veg (peas, carrots, sweetcorn)
• A tub of dried milk (for tea and porridge) - some skimmed milk can make up to 25L from a 400g tub
• 5 kg of oats
• 2.4kg of dried fruit (1.2kg of each fruit)
• 8 loaves of bread (6kg flour, 8 yeast sachets - or a tub, 320ml oil, and traces of salt and sugar)

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I don't imagine anyone having as bland a diet as this but I think it would tide you through for the 40 days with a potential for adding stuff at a later stage, I mean they can't expect you to keep going for much longer than that anyway.

Be interesting if that is the bottom, I highly doubt a bottom will come in so quick. I haven't lived through a crash before and watched the markets but it looks as if a crash is followed by a capitulation that's generally quite long.


I thought the FED were pumping $1.5 trillion into it to try to encourage a relief rally and support the price. I don't watch anything to do with mainstream media anymore but I think the US are worrying about all this quite a bit from what I've seen on Youtube. AFAIK the booming economy was Trump's main push forward into the election. We're at least at a yearly ATL.

It seemed to bounce of 2500 (the s&p) so we may see a small break and a potential trand upwards. However, the stock market often rises on a friday (I think it's a day a lot of people on the informal/freelance markets get paid so they can put funds into stocks but I could be completely wrong).

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Separate question, SPX and SPY are different right? They're both on "etoro" and at different prices.

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Also I calculated the down wrong, it's a 26-27% loss afaik, I put the wrong number in first and got 1/1.26 (~88%).

Yeah I think posting in off topic is like posting in altcoins. No one really goes there very often afaik but i guess a secondary board for this sort of stuff might be nice, especially since moderation policies in mining are a bit strict and some hardware questions could move over from there too).

It's normally quite a delayed reaction too. Like after a week has passed, then it happens...

Definitely not within a few days.

That chart is quite interesting, it looks to have been falling for the past month. Currently at 84.8% ath, it's a transport index afaik so does it generally fall by less idk? Surely it had a lot of assets that can keep being profitible...

UKX (I think that's vanguards ftse 100 tracking for the UK) isn't at a 20% drop yet, probably closer to 15...

I guess the higher you fly the harder you fall...

Guess who put $250 on a short and turned it to $500...

That's probably the first time I've called the trend too so my losses are almost recovered.

Does anyone know if we're in a recession yet? We're about 23% down from what I can tell and I thought it was anything below 20% (unless that's a bear market).

A vaccine hopefully shouldn't be needed as the world should be able to iradicate it by then, if the un picks 3 weeks, tells everyone to save up to then and gives everyone a certain amount to live off etc then the virus should be well contained (at max a month) but they ought to try to do something if this hasn't gone away by Christmas.

It's probably useless to try to guess how far btc can fall. It could go to zero or it could stop at $4000.... Or it could see a short squeeze at $5k and go straight up...