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4541  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 18, 2017, 05:29:03 AM


I have both the ledger nano s and the trezor and neither of those wallets support either ETC or Monero.


The Nano S does support ETC. https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/6cw1ig/ledger_wallet_etc/

The Ledger Nano S has a Monero wallet currently under development. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/75w4s4/ledger_hardware_wallet_monero_integration_some/

YOU NEED TO STOP STORING CRYPTO ON EXCHANGES.

How can someone who is as enthusiastic about cryptocurrencies not understand that one of the fundamentally key beauties to cryptocurrency is the ability to take responsibility for managing your own wealth without significant exposure to counter parties?

Ah well... you a thirsty horse, and you are standing on the banks of the Nile...
4542  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 17, 2017, 09:57:20 PM
To get on topic a moment... this price action is interesting to me. 

We have

BTC relatively flat
BCC rallying strongly against BTC
Alts seem to be rallying against BTC
But the crummier alts are doing well while the better projects languish.  (I put XMR in this camp)
... There there's ripple...

As to XMR.  I feel like there are some strong developments and rumors out there... Is this sell the rumor and buy the news?
4543  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 17, 2017, 09:37:58 PM
Water damage doesn't sound too bad, have you attempted to recover some data?



 Cheesy

I Lald
If you meant the use the past tense of lol, I think it's lodl.

It was a star trek joke. Right off the cuff too. There has to be someone here who can appreciate. I thought you were my people.

One of the saddest of all the episodes IMHO...
4544  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 17, 2017, 06:09:10 PM
I am a speculator.  I do use Monero to buy things.  But I also buy it to hold it because I think it has the potential to be worth much more in the future.  Unfortunately for me I have lost almost all my XMR holdings.  I know it's popular to talk about boating accidents... but I just keep mine on USB keys, and then I leave them in pants pockets and wash them and then dry them (I wonder which part of that does the true destroying?) so the private keys are gone and my dozens of XMR are lost. 

But I keep trying!

To continue my recent trend of "talking my book"...  I am taking one LAST (seriously... cut me off after this one, I can't make it home if I have another) dip into my precious BTC pile to supplement my XMR holdings.  I have entered one last time (I SWEAR IT THIS TIME I REALLY DO) @ .0168 - .017.

Wish me luck!  Let's see if can not lose these too.

You know one of the things I bought with my monero is a Cryptosteel. Wink  Another was a Ledger Nano S.

Water damage doesn't sound too bad, have you attempted to recover some data?

That was uncharacteristically nice of you!  But no.  There is no hope for recovering my losses. 

I do seem to have "sunk" the price with my entry...  all is right in the world at least.  Maybe one more purchase!  Just a little one. (I CAN QUIT ANYTIME I WANT TO!)
4545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 17, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
I am a speculator.  I do use Monero to buy things.  But I also buy it to hold it because I think it has the potential to be worth much more in the future.  Unfortunately for me I have lost almost all my XMR holdings.  I know it's popular to talk about boating accidents... but I just keep mine on USB keys, and then I leave them in pants pockets and wash them and then dry them (I wonder which part of that does the true destroying?) so the private keys are gone and my dozens of XMR are lost.  

But I keep trying!

To continue my recent trend of "talking my book"...  I am taking one LAST (seriously... cut me off after this one, I can't make it home if I have another) dip into my precious BTC pile to supplement my XMR holdings.  I have entered one last time (I SWEAR IT THIS TIME I REALLY DO) @ .0168 - .017.

Wish me luck!  Let's see if can not lose these too.

You know one of the things I bought with my monero is a Cryptosteel. Wink  Another was a Ledger Nano S.

Starting to feel shity exchanges are rather safe after all the boating accidents and machine washing Moneros:) I had a paper wallet gone with wind, and a few days ago i found it when i was packing to move homes once again:) so i actually have a few BTC that are not balls deep in alts. might throw it monero way.

Yes.  I think it is safe to say Monero are the most LOST cryptocurrency of them all.  By far.

People buy them, and then they are gone... leaving no trace.

Eventually the reality of what this actually means will sink in for MANY MANY MANY more people...
4546  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 17, 2017, 02:06:21 PM
I am a speculator.  I do use Monero to buy things.  But I also buy it to hold it because I think it has the potential to be worth much more in the future.  Unfortunately for me I have lost almost all my XMR holdings.  I know it's popular to talk about boating accidents... but I just keep mine on USB keys, and then I leave them in pants pockets and wash them and then dry them (I wonder which part of that does the true destroying?) so the private keys are gone and my dozens of XMR are lost.  

But I keep trying!

To continue my recent trend of "talking my book"...  I am taking one LAST (seriously... cut me off after this one, I can't make it home if I have another) dip into my precious BTC pile to supplement my XMR holdings.  I have entered one last time (I SWEAR IT THIS TIME I REALLY DO) @ .0168 - .017.

Wish me luck!  Let's see if can not lose these too.

You know one of the things I bought with my monero is a Cryptosteel. Wink  Another was a Ledger Nano S.
4547  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 16, 2017, 02:41:44 AM
Update: I'm BACK!!!

Big PROPS to "Cyrus" who responded very quickly and got my account reset for me tonight.

I was expecting to wait a week and/or have to maybe accept my account was lost... but he came thru with flying colors.

Excellent work... thanks.

And thanks to y'all for the support here too.

Welcome back!  Who knows... maybe you are up for a change... but if not... here ya go. Wink



Oh... and I don't know what eidoo is... but fuck it, pardon my vulgarity.  I will have nothing to do with it whatever it is.  (I am assuming the hacker was being paid to shill it)
4548  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 16, 2017, 12:58:01 AM
Hey, guys... HELP!!!

My account here "KeyJockey" was hacked apparently and the scumbag changed both the Secret Question reset AND my email address... so I can't get back in Sad

I don't have a bitcoin address or PGP Key on it either, unfortunately which I gather may be required for Theymos to restore my access... BUT REALLY I only post in THIS THREAD most often AND my old email that was on the account was also named with KeyJockey... So REALLY it's ME here

SMOOTH or another mod/admin: can anything be done to help me get my account back?Huh?

Thanks in advance for any help

So do you have control of your old email ... ?



Actually I *DO* still have access and control of the ORIGINAL email account that "KeyJockey" here was set up with 4 years ago. And I can say WHEN the hack happened (ie which of my last posts were real, were MINE, and what IP ADDRESS they likely came from (and when the hackers IP for his posts under my name likely CHANGED)...

Lots of easy ways, I think, to PROVE that I was hacked and deserve to have the account restored to ME...

BUT unfortunately I can't find WHO or WHERE to ask for this HELP

Are sub-forum Admins or Moderators able to fix stuff like this OR only Theymos himself? The "top man" alone able to send a password reset link to an accounts ORIGINAL email maybe, after an improper change hack like this....?

OR really, what should I be trying to do here?  BtcTalk setup for support is terrible Sad


From what I am hearing you say it looks kinda bleak for the old key jockey account... sorry.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0

Edit__-- looks like of you ever posted a BTC address and you still have your priv key for that address you can sign a message with that address and make a note of the link and send that to the mods in that post.

4549  Other / Meta / Re: Stake your Bitcoin address here on: October 15, 2017, 11:30:21 PM
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is cAPSLOCK. 2015-10-15.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1NyS4E6pCmdAZjqeXeaLu5VoTmBM5M1Yt6
H+qQDlbD7exL5zqQkc98BN5Vn8ZeO/S7FnQDvUeABmXGMO+FMcPTLoWbB9eagctv8g2oGyLbte6HP4hOyZknlkM=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Thanks!
4550  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 13, 2017, 03:19:04 PM
Interesting someone MARKET bought >$2MM this morning at Polo...  Pretty big trade.
4551  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [AEON] Aeon Speculation on: October 13, 2017, 03:15:07 PM
i think that this coin really have a future, only because its from monero project
so the monero big ivnestors , are invested in this one also
This coin is really from the monero devs? I can not find any information about this. Do you have a source? I think it is a real competitor, but there is no information which makes me think that Ricardo or his people are involved there.

Do your due diligence.

The ANN thread for this coin was started by a Monero Dev.  He leads the project.  (Also note he posted 3rd on this thread...)
4552  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 13, 2017, 03:11:14 PM
XMR joining the party and up almost 10%.  I'm glad I added 15% more to my holdings yesterday.

Most Alts are up, XMR is up no doubt but its just one of the pack at the moment.

Hmm?

4553  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 13, 2017, 03:07:35 PM
Interesting.  The three cryptocurrencies that are not still bleeding profusely are ETH LTC and XMR.

Too short a time frame to really be conclusive, but it supports the theory that the ALT shakeout will end with a return to only the projects with perceived quality or utility.

(I hold no ETH, but there is no way to ignore it's real and perceived value.  I hold very little LTC, but it's history, plus it's testbed status are carrying it IMO.  And, of course if I had not lost all my XMR I would be happy today...)
4554  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 13, 2017, 02:49:00 AM
LOL.  Even with XMRBTC melting down it cant quite drop fast enough for Bitcoin not to drag it's price up in XMRUSD a little.

I need to stop watching.  It tempts me to make a risky trade.
4555  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis on: October 11, 2017, 02:53:02 PM
И если все так и будет, это будет очень веселая медвежья ловушка и биткоин ломанется на новые хаи.

And if it does, it will be a very funny bear trap and bitcoin breaks into new hai.

"Хаи" (singular "хай") is a direct loanword from English, from "high". It's a jargonism, hence Google Translate fails to translate it.

Just for your information Wink
I figured that out already.  I learned how to sound out Cyrillic when I was in Ukraine.
What we need is some people who can translate the really gnarly stuff.
How's your Russian?
Well, I'll be checking this thread from time to time to see if I can help. Smiley

Russian is my mother tongue.

You can see his posts here and enlighten us:
https://vk.com/bitcoin_vanga
4556  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2017, 09:59:59 AM

Also, for all those people that vouch for anarchy but do have Bitcoins.... Do you really think you would be able to keep hodling them when someone went to beat you to death until you gave your private keys to them... because they have the "means" and "freedom" to take it from you?

Someone stole 85 bitcoins from me, I let the localbitcoins community know what/who to watch out for. The only response the police gave me was seizing all of my computers/cell phones/money and investigating me for money laundering.

After over a year they finally returned everything to me (everything useless because I already had to replace everything plus who knows what they added to all of my devices).


My thought on preventing such a thing from happening is some sort of "reputation coin" where everyone has a reputation that can be looked up and anyone who has dealt with that person can report on them (like yelp/ebay). Anyone who is a fraud or violent will be punished by society due to nobody wanting to deal with them and taking precautions when they're around.

I don't know if there is any exact solution, Elwar.    Losing 85 bitcoins in one shot is a pretty big deal, and I have suffered some similar losses - but mine was through forced phone porting and simultaneously gaining access to two of my main e-mail accounts.  

Localbitcoins, is a tougher deal in terms of dealing directly with the public and also possibly gaining some exposure because these folks learn that you have coins and also might learn too much about your personal details and your possible bitcoin hodlings, and gosh we likely have to take additional precautions regarding how much we expose ourselves and our coins.. and even if it might be inconvenient to NOT store too many coins in such a way such as on local bitcoins or some of the wallets that we might use in our trading?  

There are attempts at plausible deniability, too, with some wallets, which maybe relates to how we store our coins, but these various devices and systems are still evolving, and if we want security, we have to learn how to employ these mechanisms in ways that maybe even makes it difficult for ourselves to get easy access to some aspects of our BTC stash.

In late August / early September, there were a couple of weeks in which I removed my localbtc advert because people were acting too crazy, and I was also feeling vulnerable in various regards because of how many coins I had in certain wallets and exchanges, including coins I had on local bitcoins and on my blockchain.info wallet.. and a lot of this additional vulnerability came from what seemed to be a sustained price increase that largely took us from the lower $1k prices to approaching $5k.. and then the small number of coins that I had in some locations, started to look like a lot of money.

So, keeping only a couple of coins in each location could be a partial solution, but it might not prevent nor discourage a more serious and determined attacker with guns and spotlights.. so what to do, what to do,?Huh  and maybe even lessening local bitcoin's profile could be a solution, because even if you can increase your bitcoin holdings every year by trading at a premium, it might not be worth the risk to trade so much on local bitcoins, unless extensive precautions are taken?  

I certainly do not have a complete grasp on my various vulnerabilities and there are a couple of places that I likely maintain too many coins, a couple of exchanges, which could cause some problems on various levels whether it is just third party risk or if it is a kind of forced extortion risk (which is probably not a great likelihood, but it becomes a bit of a bigger likelihood when more bad people learn about bitcoin - and we have heard that some people kill over stealing an iphone, so if they can get a hold of 1 bitcoin, they might engage in worse actions to extort... and at what point are we safe?  And what are good measures to take? 

These are likely ongoing questions that we need to figure out including figuring out successorship issues too.. because it would be sad to accumulate a lot of coins, and then no one in the family gets access to them because they cannot figure out holding amounts nor passwords nor other security measures.. OMG.   Shocked

The solution to most of your problems stated in the above tome are privacy which produces  true fungibility.  This is currently Bitcoin's biggest Achilles heel.  And in my opinion this is only solved at the protocol level.  Currently only Monero solves it.  But that is an evil ALT coin! 

Then the next step is to reduce counterparty risk. 

Do not keep coins on exchanges!

Solutions here are things like hardware wallets, paper wallets, cryptosteel and bank vaults.

But with actual privicy (fungibility) you dont have to worry as much about obscuring your holdings using many wallets, mixers (yuck) and the like.
4557  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 09, 2017, 09:27:41 PM
For me right now balance is a hard thing.  I think the future is still quite bright for Monero as a cryptocurrency that fills a niche that is not easily going to be replaced by either another coin, or a BTC sidechain.  

It is not that other coins cannot offer privacy/fungibility.  It is just that Monero is and is poised to continue to be the CLEAR leader in this arena.

It is not that side chains could not offer private transactions in the BTC realm, but it is the fact that that too has a long way to go before it can replace Monero's functionality, and I am not sure it will ever be able to perfectly.

When we have such a crushing price blow it is hard not to dump a little bit more BTC than I had planned to buy more XMR.  But I am GOING TO STICK TO MY PLAN. Wink
4558  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 09, 2017, 02:51:22 PM
So I gave my nieces and nephews some bitcoins a few years ago and they have the addresses.

But it looks like they'll miss out on the Bcash giveaway. Should I chance withdrawing their Bcash and add the funds to their current address or not risk it?

You would need to be willing to move their BTC to new addresses to do it safely.  That is the only sticker.  Is doing that worth the amount of money you would gain?
4559  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 09, 2017, 03:05:26 AM

I may risk sounding pretty dramatic... but multisig is probably by FAR the most meaningful addition to Monero's features on the docket.  Hopefully it can be a point release, but of course let's let the devs get it right.  Patience. Wink
4560  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 09, 2017, 01:00:24 AM
For some reason XMR seems to stay less coupled to BTC than other alts...

Numerically that hasn't really held true. I've looked the data and both XMR and most other alts are highly correlated with BTC (and each other). XMR is actually more toward the "more correlated" end of the spectrum.

There are maybe some exceptions but for the most part if you are buying or holding any in particular, you are either betting on a decoupling in your favor (over some time horizon might be short or long), or hoping that the relatively small residual is in your favor (of course both can be the case).





I am either defining something backwards or just fully mistaken in my appraisal.  What I notice is when alts sell off during a BTC rise Monero tends to do so with less momentum.  This is the case now.  While other alts are down 8-15% XMR is down 6%.  And when alts rise WITH BTC Monero does less so.

But it could certainly be some sort of confirmation bias.  I have done no spreadsheet or real study.  I do not trade on it.  I do not really trade...
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