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4541  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Extraterrestrial life may be right on Venus on: September 24, 2018, 03:13:07 AM

not sure I entirely trust NASA to be honest.
They are known to blur out and distort their images.
...
NASA has imaged the entire planet of Mars. The entire database, not just the composite imagery but the raw data, is available. Start with this university database.

http://www.mars.asu.edu/data/

I suspect you have been thinking of various conspiracy theories based on old data from decades in the past.

If you have doubts, you can look into that data and prove or disprove whatever you have doubts about.


Interesting take about the gravity on Phobos being very low.
Plausible I suppose......
...

 Gravity of Phobos is 0.0057 m/s, about 1/1800 of that on Earth. You would weigh a couple ounces on Phobos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(moon)

Dimensions   27 × 22 × 18 km[1]
Mean radius
11.2667 km
(1.76941 mEarths)
Surface area
1548.3 km2[1]
(3.03545 µEarths)
Volume   5783.61 km3
(5.33933 nEarths)
Mass   1.0659×1016 kg[1]
(1.78477 nEarths)
Mean density
1.876 g/cm3[1]
Surface gravity
0.0057 m/s2[1]
(581.4 µ g)
4542  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh on: September 24, 2018, 02:41:55 AM
....
You don't just selectively destroy targets that suit your agenda.

That's exactly what they think they deserve to be able to do.
4543  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh on: September 23, 2018, 01:09:04 PM
Kim Strassel of the WSJ editorial board is now reporting that a Washington Post "journalist" had reached out to Mr Judge, who was allegedly in the room with Kavanaugh saying that there were 3 boys and one girl at the party in question The Washington Post's story says there were four boys at the party.

Another issue is that there was someone allegedly at the party, Leland Ingham (now Keyser), who is a women who was one of Christine's classmates and close friends. She has said publicly that she does not know Kavanaugh, nor was she ever at any party that Kavanaugh attended. This means that everyone allegedly at the alleged party has denied the existence of the party, under penalty of perjury (or similar), except for Christine Beasley Ford, who appears to not want to speak under oath regarding the alleged incident.  

Compare this to the rape accusations against Bill Clinton, I have to say that it's the pattern of accusations that's troubling more than any single allegation. The pattern shaping up in the case of Christine Ford is very different, and shows she remembers things differently than everyone else.

Not only did rank and file Democrats support Bill Clinton, but they were okay when his wife, who had helped him suppress and cover up those allegations, ran for President. And just plain crushed when she didn't win. They thought she DESERVED TO WIN!


https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-the-sexual-assault-allegations-against-bill-clinton-2017-11#leslie-millwee-4

Juanita Broaddrick - violently raped in 1978. Reported in 1999.
Two people close to Broaddrick said she described the rape at the time.

Kathleen Willey - sexually assaulted in 1993, reported in 1999.
Willey says she was "friends" with Clinton and confided in him during the meeting that she and her husband were having financial troubles. She asked him for a promotion from her volunteer position to a paying job and says that Clinton was sympathetic and asked to talk with her in a small room off of the Oval Office. Willey says Clinton cornered and assaulted her in that room.

Paula Jones - in 1991, reported in 1994
at a government quality-management conference that Clinton attended, she was approached by the state police and told that Clinton, then the governor, wanted to meet with her. Jones said that a police officer escorted her to Clinton's hotel room in Little Rock and that Clinton then propositioned her for sex and exposed his genitals to her.
Jones said the state police officer was standing just outside the hotel room during the encounter. Jones made her allegations public in 1994 and brought a sexual-harassment lawsuit against Clinton. A federal judge dismissed the lawsuit in 1998 on the grounds that Jones didn't prove that she was harmed, either personally or in her career, by the incident, and Jones appealed the ruling.Clinton ultimately paid Jones $850,000.

Leslie Millwee, assaulted in 1980, reported in 2016
a former television reporter, came forward publicly for the first time in October 2016 to accuse Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1980.

"He followed me into an editing room," Millwee told the far-right website Breitbart News in an October 2016 interview. "It was very small. There was a chair. I was sitting in a chair. He came up behind me and started rubbing my shoulders and running his hands down toward my breasts. And I was just stunned. I froze. I asked him to stop. He laughed."

She said of a second incident: "He came in behind me. Started hunching me to the point that he had an orgasm. He's trying to touch my breasts. And I'm just sitting there very stiffly, just waiting for him to leave me alone. And I'm asking him the whole time, 'Please do not do this. Do not touch me. Do not hunch me. I do not want this.'"

She recalled a third time in which, she said, she wasn't aware Clinton was in the building when he found her in the editing room.


How about that. We've had some really disgusting people in American politics, haven't we?
4544  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Extraterrestrial life may be right on Venus on: September 23, 2018, 04:07:20 AM
https://www.tsijournals.com/abstract/evidence-of-massive-thermonuclear-explosions-on-mars-in-the-past-the-cydonian-hypothesis-and-fermis-paradox-new-data-2731.html


Evidence of massive thermonuclear explosions on Mars in the past, The Cydonian Hypothesis, and Fermi’s Paradox: new data
Author(s): John E.Brandenburg


The Fermi Paradox is the unexpected silence of the cosmos under the Assumption of Mediocrity, in a cosmos known to have abundant planets and life precursor chemicals. On Mars, the nearest Earthlike planet in the cosmos, the concentration of 129Xe in the Martian atmosphere, the evidence from 80Kr abundance of intense 1014/cm2 flux over the Northern young part of Mars, and the detected pattern of excess abundance of Uranium and Thorium on Mars surface, relative to Mars meteorites, can be explained as due to two large thermonuclear explosions on Mars in the past. ......

This is total garbage by a scientist who is a crackpot.

There is nothing remarkable about past nuclear fission on planets, this has certainly occurred on Earth and likely on the Moon. Natural uranium deposits undergo natural fission.

Here is a Wikipedia reference on this rather interesting phenomena.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor


fair enuff.

But what about the supposed "artefacts" on Mars?

and the CIA remote viewing findings?

The Phobos 2 Incident?

Or the supposed monolith on Phobos?

I need to get a new tinfoil hat.....



Okay.

Mars has been imaged and the surface photography is accurate down to about a half meter. The entire planet has been digitized. All that is available from NASA's websites.

Phobos 2. Spacecraft failed.

Monolith on Phobos. Interesting.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090726210713/http://www.vgl.org/webfiles/mars/phobos2/phobos2.htm

Keep in mind though that gravity on Phobos is very, very low. Things like a big rock sticking straight up is possible naturally in such conditions, where it would not be possible under Earth's gravity.
4545  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Extraterrestrial life may be right on Venus on: September 23, 2018, 12:47:18 AM
https://www.tsijournals.com/abstract/evidence-of-massive-thermonuclear-explosions-on-mars-in-the-past-the-cydonian-hypothesis-and-fermis-paradox-new-data-2731.html


Evidence of massive thermonuclear explosions on Mars in the past, The Cydonian Hypothesis, and Fermi’s Paradox: new data
Author(s): John E.Brandenburg


The Fermi Paradox is the unexpected silence of the cosmos under the Assumption of Mediocrity, in a cosmos known to have abundant planets and life precursor chemicals. On Mars, the nearest Earthlike planet in the cosmos, the concentration of 129Xe in the Martian atmosphere, the evidence from 80Kr abundance of intense 1014/cm2 flux over the Northern young part of Mars, and the detected pattern of excess abundance of Uranium and Thorium on Mars surface, relative to Mars meteorites, can be explained as due to two large thermonuclear explosions on Mars in the past. ......

This is total garbage by a scientist who is a crackpot.

There is nothing remarkable about past nuclear fission on planets, this has certainly occurred on Earth and likely on the Moon. Natural uranium deposits undergo natural fission.

Here is a Wikipedia reference on this rather interesting phenomena.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor
4546  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh on: September 23, 2018, 12:36:47 AM
Soon you will have to have a contract recorded on ze blockchain before you can even look in the direction of a female.

What's even more scary is that any female can now accuse some poor chap of improper behaviour decades down the line and she will be believed and the

lad's fucking toast.


 Roll Eyes

The media would present it that way, but that's not the way real people think.

Check this out.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/09/when_the_puppets_wont_cooperate_cnn_surprised_by_womens_reaction_to_kavanaugh_case.html

4547  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh on: September 22, 2018, 01:47:23 PM
....he would likely be tried as a minor, who sits on the Supreme Court (or the DC circuit court of appeals). Although there may be a scenario in which it is unclear that the juvenile court has jurisdiction if it can’t be proven he was a minor at the time, and the “adult” court may not have jurisdiction if it cannot be proven he was over 18.
. ....

"Cannot be proven he was over 18" means directly "cannot be proven he committed a crime."

Because juvenile offenses are not considered CRIMES. They are handled completely differently.

The things that have been said regarding no statute of limitations for sexual assault do not apply here, those apply for adults. So why are you and I not getting told this? More fake news?

.....
I have read a report that Christine doesn’t want to fly from CA to DC to testify and therefore must make the drive. If this is true, it would only be one more piece of evidence that shows this was intended to move the vote past the midterms.

Well, she should just tell them she wants to bicycle across the country.

That would certainly show all those "old white men."

Wait...aren't we talking here about claims by an old white woman?

In more awesome news for the GOP, Senator Collins was "appalled" by Trumps latest tweet about Dr. Ford and that it was "inappropriate and wrong".
......

The virtue signaling .... thickest in the absence of virtue.
4548  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh on: September 22, 2018, 12:01:21 AM
....She has already said she doesn't remember what year the alleged incident occurred, how she got to the party, who else was at the party, or how she left the party. She doesn't even know where this happened other than it was in Montgomery County, MD, which is where she lived at the time......

According to Wikipedia it happened in the summer of 1982, which would put Kavanaugh's age at the alleged event's time at 17. He was a juvenile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Blasey_Ford
alleging that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted her in the summer of 1982 when she was 15 and he was 17.

For this to even be a crime, the DA would have had to plea to a judge to move it to criminal court, and to treat him as an adult.

Without that it's just an event for juvenile court, if anything.

Well, where does this stop?

Should we hear about something he did when he was 16?

15?

14?

13?

12?

8?

4?


4549  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Extraterrestrial life may be right on Venus on: September 21, 2018, 10:47:12 PM
1.Life exists in the solar system

Venus is the second-closest planet in the Solar System. But even if it's just number two, the temperature on this planet is still the biggest, surpassing the planet closest to the Sun, Mercury. The reason is that Venus has a dense atmosphere, and the gas has a "role" to keep the heat, making the planet like a furnace. The average temperature is up to 482 degrees Celsius.The atmospheric pressure was about 90 times that of Earth, enough to crush armored vehicles.In addition, the atmosphere of Venus almost contains only CO2 and SO2 - forming strong acidic clouds.

2.Venus a special planet

Yet, according to a NASA study, the same terrible cloud may be containing extraterrestrial life. Specifically, experts believe the cloud is rich in sulfur dioxide at Venus can live life in the form of bacteria.They use probes and collect microscopic spots on the surface of the planet. That could be signs that bacteria exist and absorb light, just like in Earth.The mysterious dark patches are like a kind of algae, similar to algae exploding on the lake.
It is known that Venus's atmosphere contains concentrated sulfuric acid, which can reflect 75% of the light emitted.This makes the surface of the planet dim, not visible.So, the existence of dark spots shows that there is something that exists in that terrible atmosphere.

3.The study was published in the journal Astrobiology

Science has determined that Venus used to have the perfect environment to nurture life.But that's about two billion years ago. At the present time, the existence of life here is still astonishing to them. We are hopeful that in the near future, humans will have access to alien life.


Reflection of light occurs way up in the Venus atmosphere. The surface is 90x the pressure of Earth and very hot. Basic physics shows that pressure is related to temperature for a gas.

There are no bacteria, no life is possible on Venus.

4550  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh on: September 21, 2018, 10:37:33 PM

That's not how the criminal justice system works. You file a criminal report (ideally not 30 years late), and you provide the appropriate law enforcement agency with as much information and evidence as you can provide. The standard protocol for filing a criminal report is making an official statement. If there is no report, no statement, no evidence, there is no investigation.

Except that this isn't a criminal proceeding.  You do know the FBI does background investigations on someone being nominated to the highest court in the land right?  You do know that many times the FBI has re-opened background investigations based on new allegations right?  Specifically the FBI re-opened the background investigation into Clarence Thomas when Anita Hill came forward with her allegations, which again in an ironic twist had senate republicans demanding an FBI investigation into the new claims (some of those senators still sit on the committee today).  That investigation lasted 2 days.

You don't get to demand the FBI go dig through some ones life just based on statements alone. That is their discretion,

Really, digging through someone's life based on statements is literally a major part of a background investigation, they need to be corroborated or exculpated that's literally what an investigation is. Before nominating a person for a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land this always happens and Kavanaugh has had them before.....

This is very confused. (of course purposefully as you note).

Either it is a criminal complaint or it is not. If it is it goes to the state level not the FBI. They have NO INVOLVEMENT in state crimes.

Either you have a 30+ year old crime in a state with no statute of limitations or you don't. If you don't have a complaint that can be taken to the DA you don't have a crime. Period.

Except that's not what this is about and you know it. It's about stalling or stopping the Kavanaugh nomination. This requires creating doubt. That in turn does not require truth, only allegations. That's what we have here, unsubstantiated allegations for a reason completely other than justice for a past wrong.

So...

Is it right to be in with the witch hunt?
4551  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 21, 2018, 02:48:12 AM
....
As for religions adapting, well, they don't have a choice.  They cannot kill all the scientists.  They tried, but failed.

Religion tried to kill all the scientists? Where was that?

As I mentioned, those religions which are adaptable seem to prosper much better than those which are rigid. But I used "adaptable" in a very general sense, not just science vs religion.

Note that some religions historically utterly collapsed when people with advanced tech came into the picture. Why?

How did Cortez conquer 20,000 Aztec soldiers with 400 men? Read about this and you will see the collapse of the entire Aztec belief structure, not a story of a military victory. (caution, it's a pretty bloody and sordid story).

My point: Aztec religious beliefs WERE NOT ADAPTABLE.
4552  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh on: September 21, 2018, 02:45:20 AM
....
One person is making an unsubstantiated claim about something from 35 years ago, that she told no one about for over 30 years, and two people say it didn't happen.


An interesting aspect of this matter is the obvious ease with which this event slides into peoples' belief sets, one way or the other, and without hardly any facts they are ready to argue it. In a interesting turn, that the Dems have to go this far back and present a case that's this weak actually shows the good character of the nominee. They are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel to find faults here.

In a better and wiser time and place the rule here would be "Let him who is without fault cast the first stone." But we're not in such a time and place. This is a pure and raw attempt to gain power and to not lose additional power.

It's an all out effort to prevent a 6-3 conservative to liberal Supreme Court.

I'm not so worried about that because the SC judges have shown that they don't vote and think as people thought they would. At least that's true of the supposedly conservative ones. Think - Roberts.

But it's clear that it would be very frightening to the so-called liberal. Of course that means he's been told this would be frightening and believed it, doesn't mean it would really be. It's not just a looming 6-3 but with Ginsburg on her way out, quite likely the court will go 7-2. And that's just the way it seems it will be. 30-50 years of a court that won't bow to the demands of "liberals" who in reality are pushing fascist and totalitarian, anti-constitutional agendas, often for corrupt interests or interests outside of the US.

In the upcoming mid terms, expect total corruption on the part of the Democrats. Fake ballot boxes being found everywhere, any and everything to be done to try to gain congressional and senate seats. As usual, Republicans to win have to win "above the bounds of stuffed and fraudulent ballots".
4553  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 21, 2018, 01:09:00 AM
Well, sorry to have to correct you, but religion seems to also evolve. Not necessarily in directions I/you/we would like.

I get your point, but only partly agree with it. Religion, as you detailed in your post, is impacted by 'local cultural practices'; for example, someone born in the Middle East is likely to be raised a Muslim, whereas someone born in Ireland is likely to be raised Catholic. This doesn't happen in science. What is true in Saudi Arabia is true in Ireland, or anywhere. Someone's religion is (99% of the time) directly linked to their place of birth, or at the very least, by those that raise them. This isn't true with science. So while I accept that religion has evolved, in some respects even diluted, it is only in how people choose to practice it or which 'almighty power' they worship.

Well, that's not exactly what I was thinking about. Here's an example. Catholics thought they'd have priests that didn't marry, but there were exceptions. Why? Because they had to make exceptions to get some groups to go with their plan.

Christianity had many opposed to "vivisection" in the 19th century and prior, but that's not an issue today.

Galileo, I think you know that story.

It's been noted regarding the American Indians, that those who had adaptable religions have survived, while those who had rigid precepts in their religions have not. Adaptable is of course a key to something surviving a variety of conditions for a long term.

Consider the following argument. If religion did not adapt, science would overshadow it and it would vanish. If it did adapt to new understandings, it would survive. That is assuming some innate human needs for services provided by religion of course.

4554  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 20, 2018, 11:19:53 PM
I'm guessing you took the idea for this topic from watching Ricky Gervais, unless it was said by someone else previously - which I'm sure it has???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOi2AgNfQCg

I am definitely on the side of science, as even though it is constantly proving itself wrong, it accepts that and continually evolves into an ever improving version. Religion (in general) tends to ignore any other possible 'explanations', basically sticking their fingers in their ears and mumbling incoherently whenever anyone dares to question it.

Well, sorry to have to correct you, but religion seems to also evolve. Not necessarily in directions I/you/we would like.

Historically, it evolved from privative shamanistic gods-of-the-trees and rivers, to pantheism, and from there to monotheism. That in turn has obvious evolution, old to New Testament, those to Mormon stuff, or Muslim.

Indeed, the emergence of Martin Luther and protestant sects was a reaction to and an obvious evolution of the prior Catholicism. From there, you have the evangelical Christian stuff, which is a very recent development.

Religion also evolves in terms of how it adapts to and accepts science. In the past, religions were opposed to many medical and scientific practices, which today for the most part they are not opposed.

Religion also seems to adapt to local cultural practices in a number of ways.
4555  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh on: September 20, 2018, 02:33:02 AM
....whether or not the women was almost raped........

"Almost raped" sound a lot to me like "almost pregnant."

It is or it is not.
4556  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 19, 2018, 11:57:37 PM
Clear, obvious difference. Science = fact + evidence. Religion = fantasy + stupidity, gullibility, desperation.

Now we just need to wait on BADecker showing up to tell you why you didn't mean what you said, and that you actually meant what he wants you to mean, because an online dictionary says so.

Frankly on this thread I have not seen much understanding either of the nature of science or religion. Although as you point out, the noise to signal ratio may be so high as to make it impossible.
4557  Other / Off-topic / Re: Transgenderism is a mental illness. on: September 19, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
....
Declaring a condition a mental illness is not equivalent to "demonizing" it. People suggesting medical treatment (other than reassignment surgery which has a horrible rate of success improving anything), are actually attempting to help these people live a healthy, happy, stable life.

However people such as yourself would rather lie to them, encourage the conditions causing them discontent and pain, and use them as cover to push your bullshit Marxist ideologies. You don't give a FUCK about transgender people, they are simply a convenient tool for you to use much like other minority groups.

++++

I would note in passing though, that when people categorize something as a medical "illness" or a "condition" or NOT, it has huge impacts on what insurance and government agencies pay and do not pay for.
4558  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SpaceX and the prospects of Mars colonization. on: September 19, 2018, 11:50:37 PM
Musk is again selling the bear skin before killing it: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-moon-announcement-elon-musk-reveals-bfr-moon-mission-passenger-yusaku-maezawa-2018-09-18/

He just sold a ticket for a voyage around the moon on 2023 in the BFR that even him is uncertain if he can organize on this year.

I wonder what the other two space tourists that paid a down payment for a similar cancelled voyage on the Falcon Heavy on 2019 are thinking about this.

Assume that there exists a capsule good for 7 days life support for one human. Assume there are rockets that will launch that capsule toward the Moon.

Then the capsule can go on a figure 8 type orbit around the Moon, and return to Earth. The capsule will have to be rated for a 36,000 foot per second re entry (normal low earth orbit capsules only have to endure 25,000). Four minutes at 6G during re entry.

It's cool for a private company to be talking about it, but it doesn't advance anything at all. I guess it would be interesting though.

More like a trip for a test pilot than a typical consumer.
4559  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pennsylvania Catholic Church covers up 300 chomo priests on: September 19, 2018, 06:02:45 PM
Surprisingly, Catholic opinion of the pope has not changed any more than Splendulus' opinion of Catholics...

I suppose people see what they want to see, and don't see what they don't want to see



Lesson: Go after the soft target with money, the Catholic Church. Not the distributed little Protestant churches or the distributed Muslim operations. Then pick non-Catholics for the jury.


4560  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 19, 2018, 05:55:02 PM
....
I assume you mean math/science is fact-based not faith-based... math/science is based on facts which you can show to another person... I can show you that 1 + 1 = 2... I can show you how to do an experiment that proves the Earth is spherical... science shows you the evidence, rather than asserting claims without facts or evidence which can be shown to someone (the way religion does it)

Science is based on observations, and the scientific hypothesis.

This is different than "facts."

Math is based on mathematical proofs.

All facts are observations... that's a fact, Jack

Science is based entirely on observations... repeatable, verifiable observations

"If you can't show it, you don't know it" -Aron Ra

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
"Scientific facts are verified by repeatable careful observation or measurement"

Actually, you are cherry picking the article in wikipedia to support your rather lame understanding of the matter. The article supports exactly what I said.

Facts are central to building scientific theories. Various forms of observation and measurement lead to fundamental questions about the scientific method, and the scope and validity of scientific reasoning.

In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20]

Various scholars have offered significant refinements to this basic formulation. Scientists are careful to distinguish between: 1) states of affairs in the external world and 2) assertions of fact that may be considered relevant in scientific analysis. The term is used in both senses in the philosophy of science.[21].....

Consistent with the idea of confirmation holism, some scholars assert "fact" to be necessarily "theory-laden....

The scientific method[edit]
Apart from the fundamental inquiry into the nature of scientific fact, there remain the practical and social considerations of how fact is investigated, established, and substantiated through the proper application of the scientific method....

As an example, let's use our understanding of science to make a prediction. I will drop an apple, and it will fall. That is a prediction, not a fact. Yet it is the ability of science to accurately predict outcomes which is it's value.

EG cause and effect are verbs. Fact is a noun.
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