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4561  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: May 25, 2021, 10:44:22 AM
E, al fora je sto to nije organizirao netko iz Afrike, nego kolega iz EU zemlje.  Ali da, slazem se za ovo da ne bi trebalo cuditi da su ljudi spremni na svasta za lovu, pogotovo ovi koji zive u siromasnim zemljama. Ljudi u Europi/Americi  jednostavno nisu svjesni koja je to razina siromastva, mi to nemozemo uopce pojmiti, pa se onda tu na forumu  cude ko pura dreku sto neka sirotinja ima 3-4 alt accounta i pokusava skupiti koji shitcoin pa prodati nekom preprodavacu.


Kako vidim na bitcointalk discordu taj lik Nionio se i ove godine prijavio i opet ti je konkurencija, e onda bi ti sad mogao pozvati svu rodbinu, prijatelje i ljude sa svih foruma da glasaju za tebe, jer on kaže da je to uradio prošle godine.
Prosle godine kad su se poceli pojavljivati sumLJivi glasaci, buraz koji je dosta aktivan na Discordu jer dosta gejma mi je ponudio da ce dovesti hrpu svoje ekipe na Discord da glasa za mene. Naravno, rekao sam mu da i ne pomislja na to, iako bi glatko pobjedio, jer nije fer da nitko tko nije clan ovog foruma glasa.

Ali nema veze, ja ionako svake godine radim takvu pizzu i to mi je gust, tako da mi se uglavnom jebe za to. Slijedece godine cu je samo sherati na forumu i bok, a tko hoce nek navrati na krisku i hladno Karlovacko Cheesy
4562  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Satoshi Response To Elon Musk's Tweet On Bitcoin Mining on: May 25, 2021, 08:02:12 AM
And, here it is. Exactly as predicted, Elon Musk will save the world from the evil Bitcoin miners.
Haha, that lasted long, what a clown. Buy yeah, everything is developing as we expected it will, so surprises there. Noobs sold crypto and now they are buying back, suing famous "sell low, buy high" tactic.



And the price jumps up $2k after this tweet. Well, combine that with the news that this dip has seen record amounts of buying volume on institutional exchanges, then this whole manipulation seems to have worked exactly as planned. I hope all the weak hands enjoyed selling your coins to Musk and his friends for a huge discount.
Worst of all, I know people that are into crypto for years now, and they started believing his FUD and sold the crypto in fear, expecting full blow bear market. This is how I imagine Elon Musk these days Cheesy

4563  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi schemes & Investor Based Games on: May 25, 2021, 07:13:13 AM
Similarly, a warning against Ponzi means people are aware that if they invest in a Ponzi they will lose money too.
Where is the warning? On the website? Are they saying you might lose your funds as well? Rather they are promising a high return.
@savetheFORUM will correct me if I am wrong, but when he mentioned warning about the ponzi, he meant that short explanation of Investor-based games board, which says "Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APY far above the reasonable market rate". And indeed, when you read that explanation, there is no doubt what it is about.

That doesn't mean that board is a safe place where you can freely advertise scam without fear of being tagged, but just the place that forum stuff decide to create in order to clear gambling board, which was swarmed by those scams some time ago. Whatever you do on this forum reflects on your reputation, so if you are willing to advertise scam, you will pay the consequences.
4564  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: May 24, 2021, 08:37:01 PM
Evo i moje, uzeo sliku od prošle godine što sam radio, pa neka se iskoristi i ovdje. Nisam do sada ni znao da natječaj još vrjedi, ali evo neka se nađe
Uh pizza izgleda odlično, ovo je pro level.


Ali ako si se mislio natjecati, nemoj. Previse ekipe vara. Prosle godine je neki grk dovlacio ekipu na discord da glasaju za njega, sto je glupost. Vecina te ekipe nikad cula za ovaj forum, a dosli glasat za njega
Istina, ono prošle godine je bila žešća muljaža, podijelio sam prvo mjesto sa likom koji je dovukao hrpu neke lijeve ekipe koja nema veze sa forumom, a i ono što je prošle godine submitao teško se moglo nazvati pizza. Nekako si mislim da bi moglo biti i ove godine slična pizdarija, iako sam predložio da se broje sam glasovi forumaša ali izgleda ništa od toga.
4565  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Satoshi Response To Elon Musk's Tweet On Bitcoin Mining on: May 24, 2021, 05:43:55 AM
Besides we already have some examples, the biggest I think is John McAfee and his scams during 2017 and 2018. As we now know he too had diminishing effects. He outright called bitcoin a "shitcoin" at some point! There were even some drama with his #dickeating and then him being charged with fraud over shitcoin pump and dumping. None of which had any effects on the market.
I do agree that Elon Musk influence on crypto market will end up the same way it happened with John McAfee, but it will take longer time, simply because Elon Musk is more influental than McAffe ever was, which is not a surprise as he is one of the richest man in the world (at least according to Forbes) and way more interesting to mainstream media due all other businesses connected to him. You said it yourself, you don't even have to have Twitter to learn what Elon said, you simply can't miss it unless you are avoiding all news portals, even mainstream ones.

Just the other day my father called me, and while casually chatting he asked me did Elon Musk and his announcement that Tesla doesn't accept BTC anymore caused this BTC dump. We are talking about a person who doesn't know almost anything about crypto other than I am into it, doesn't follow any crypto news/portals, and doesn't speak English at all. But it was shared in Croatian mainstream media and managed to reach even him.

So yeah, it will take some time before all this calms over and until enough newbies get rekt so they stop following their guru Elon.
4566  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi schemes & Investor Based Games on: May 24, 2021, 05:25:21 AM
I have seen people being tagged as a troll and those who tagged them, they are part of DT, while Theymos clearly mentioned one should not use negative trust for trolls.
It is true that occasionally DT members leave negative feedback to trolls which is definitely wrong ( while neutral is appropriate one, if one feels so strongly about tagging) but that is more of an exception than the rule. If you as a DT member constantly keep doing that, chance are that sooner or later you will be out of DT system, which is not perfect of course, and there are manipulations there as well.


Imagine a new crypto enthusiast joins the forum and reads the rules, understands that account selling in allowed. He then buys an account and later gets tagged. Did the user made any mistake? I don't think so.
If that crypto enthusiast read the rules, he would see that account sale is "allowed but discouraged". Pretty enough for anyone with an honest intentions. After all, I see no reason why would someone buy the account, other than for financial benefit either through sig campaign, or promoting some business, so I don't really buy a story about "crypto enthusiast".


I am not against tagging Ponzi promoters. Announcing your website to a section meant for it, isn't exactly promoting rather announcing. Anyone who takes money/shares to promote them is wrong and should be tagged.
Tomato tomahto. What is the point of this so called "announcing" other than promotion? That's why they post it there, to promote the ponzi.
4567  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bullrun Done? on: May 23, 2021, 05:38:31 PM
Somehow I don't think that bull run is over. Thing is, people are so scared now and majority think that we are entering into bear market now, and those who are controlling the market want exactly that, people selling their BTC in panic, so they can buy with a nice discount.

So yeah, I think that we have at least few more months left, but it will take some time before we reach those previous levels over 60k. In the meantime, best you can do is to focus on getting more BTC!
4568  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Satoshi Response To Elon Musk's Tweet On Bitcoin Mining on: May 23, 2021, 03:15:30 PM
I think you are grossly overestimating the intelligence of people who spend their money based on the tweets of Elon Musk.
And then there is certain amount of those who know how easily manipulated people are, so are selling too, helping in these pumps$dumps caused by his bs tweets.


To be honest, in his announcement, he said that Tesla will go back to bitcoin "as soon as mining transitions to more sustainable energy." No idea what that meant.
I wish he says  something similar about use of cobalt for his car's batteries that, something like "We won't use any of the cobalt produced in DR Congo until mining companies secure decent working conditions for all those child works there". But somehow he is not so woke and righteous like he is with BTC.


The next post may be that he had "the talk" with bitcoin developers about how to solve the problem.
Yep, we can expect that next.
4569  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcoin Pizza Day on: May 23, 2021, 02:38:33 PM
I congratulate everyone on Bitcoin Pizza Day! My bachelor pizza is certainly not as beautiful as Rikafip's but it was made by me  Grin
That's the most important thing, so kudos on that! As someone who likes making pizzas, I can appreciate the effort needed and invested in even basic pizza, let alone something themed. Regarding pineapple on your pizza, beware of our Italian members, they won't be happy to see that Cheesy
4570  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi schemes & Investor Based Games on: May 23, 2021, 08:49:13 AM
I kinda like how this forum stands for it's mission "to be as free as possible". There are more than enough forums on the planet that ban all kinds of things already. That doesn't mean I like it, but I love the freedoms this forum gives. It's quite unique.
I like it too, it's one of the best things about this forum. I am very active on several other forums for about 20 years now, and they are very restricting and very trigger happy when it comes to banning people, sometimes over insignificant stuff so this approach is quite refreshing.

I say let them post anywhere, and forum members will handle that, as they do with any other scam found on any other board.



The reason Investor Based Games board was created was that most of the Ponzi related things were posted in gambling section which was irritating and most of the reputed members during that period were running these shady scams especially forum donators and many reputed members during that period used to vouch for these scams claiming that they are getting money even though those were shitty scams.
Thanks for shining some light on why that board was made. That makes sense, if Gambling Board was  overrun by them, but still kinda sucks to have specific board just for them.


According to me anyone who promotes gambling should be tagged, it's my personal opinion like you have yours about Ponzi. Does that mean I should leave negative feedback to all the gambling sites? Of course not. What I think doesn't matter, I believe, as long as the admin has created a space for something.
If you think that anyone who promotes gambling can't be trusted, leave negative feedback. Investor Based games board is not meant to be a safe space for anything, it's just the place where those types of scams are posted and then its up to forum members to decide whether account posting that can/cannot be trusted.

4571  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Satoshi Response To Elon Musk's Tweet On Bitcoin Mining on: May 23, 2021, 08:23:45 AM
It's just that Elon didn't know it and thought a shitcoin could continue pumping after bitcoin drops and most probably lost a lot of money in that bet too.
That I highly doubt, that he didn't know how BTC dump will reflect on shitcoins. My guess is, he just didn't give a fuck about that, as he probably gained more by tweeting that than (at least in the long run) he lost due BTC and shitcoin price going down.


I also don't think repetition of the same hype and dump would work again. This type of pump and dump works only once.
That's true, you can do that for only so many times before market stops reacting to your tweets, but I don't think that we are there just yet. If Elon announced that he changed his mind on Tesla accepting BTC due "newly found info on sources of energy used for BTC mining" or whatever other bullshit he come up with, price would again start pumping. It's juts how it is at the moment, but it will pass eventually.
4572  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi schemes & Investor Based Games on: May 23, 2021, 07:47:30 AM
NOTE: I repeat, I am not supporting Ponzis but rather in the favor of either removing the section or just don't tag them.
Imho, removing that section would be the best. Some would say "but it's better to have specific section just for those ponzies so they don't spread around" but why even encourage them when absolutely nothing good can come out of having that here. Its not like that board is busy anyway, there is no more than couple of threads each month.



There is nothing wrong in tagging them and hopefully one day they will start getting banned as well. But OP is questioning why have a section where such kind of crap can be posted only to have those who post there tagged?
That part has been explained to him, which he chooses to ignore. We tag users that are promoting those scams, and those that are ready to promote something like that can't be trusted. It's somewhat similar to account sale; it is allowed but trying to do that will get you tagged.
4573  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: May 22, 2021, 08:45:30 PM
Nego mene zanima jel ti to imaš pizzeriju ili to sve doma radiš? U svakom slučaju pizze izgledaju super i sad sam ogladnio. Jel može dostava, platim u BTC pa da se meni smijemo za 10 godina  Cool
Ma kakva pizzerija, ja sam amater, sve se radi doma. A za dostavu se moze dogovoriti. Cheesy



Ma ziher sezonski negdje moonshina kao pizza majstor pa tu nama smrtnicima vadi mast.
Al da, sta je je, pizze izgledaju vrhunski
Da znas da sam svojevremeno ozbiljno razmisljao da platim prekvalifikaciju za pizzaiola, prvo nesto od nas pa ono neki ozbiljnijije skolovanje u Italiji pa se onda baciti u te vode, ali jebiga onda su mi neke nepredvidjene stvari pomrsile planove. Iako, za to jos nije kasno pa ko zna.


ma da, ima profi opremu, drvenu podlogu, karirani stolnjak, fali mu samo vinjak 3cl i kisela u casi od 1dl da bude prava kafanska slika
u svakom slucaj, pica je odlicna, odmah sam pomislio na veceru i picence

https://vukajlija.com/karirani-stolnjak/317202
E hvala sto si skuzio ovo  za karirani stolnjak, bas to i je bio cilj, retro stil Cheesy



A ja si baš juče pravio pizzu  Grin

Di bude ovo na Discordu?
Na bitcointalk Discord serveru
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247383.0
4574  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: May 22, 2021, 04:08:41 PM
Što se tiče ostalog, mislim da je još prerano proglasiti ''smrt'' bitcoina iako bi to mnogi (koji nisu na vrijeme prepoznali priliku) to željeli jer bi onda mogli reći: ''Nisam li vam rekao?''  Grin
Ovo što se trenutačno događa više je splet određenih nepovoljnih okolnosti na tržištu (faktor Musk nije jedini), a čim postoji određena nesigurnost na tržištima investitori se povlače iz ''rizičnijih'' investicija i traže sigurnija utočišta za svoj novac.
Ma joj, kakva smrt. Ovo se moralo dogoditi prije poslije. Naravno, bilo bi finije da smo prvo dosli do 100k pa onda pad, ali eto. i nekako mislim da ovo jos nije kraj bull runa, ali nekako po mojoj nekoj teoriji bull run bi trebao zavrsiti kad se svi najmanje nadamo, a malo tko se nadao ovakvom padu.


https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1394993742226939905

Neka smo dočekali da i papa tweeta o bitcoinu  Cheesy Cheesy
Bit ce da je i on shortao BTC Cheesy



E da, evo i ovogodisnje pizze. Imao sam puno kompleksnije planove, ali sam se malo zajebao i ostavio pizzu u pecnici par minuta predugo sto je bilo dovoljno da mi sjebe cijelu koncepciju, pa sam morao na popravni rad, i nesto brzinski napraviti.

Happy Bitcoin Pizza Day everyone, have a slice of this delicious homemade bitcoin-themed pepperoni pizza!



4575  Other / Meta / Happy Bitcoin Pizza Day! on: May 22, 2021, 01:16:19 PM
Happy Bitcoin Pizza Day everyone, have a slice of this delicious homemade bitcoin-themed pepperoni pizza!

Ingredients:
Dough: 200 grams of flour (2/3 multipurpose 1/3 hard flour), 130 ml water, fresh yeast
Toppings: Tomato, oregano, mozzarella, pepperoni and Milner cheese for BTC sign.

4576  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: May 22, 2021, 08:06:46 AM
Ekipa, sretan vam Bitcoin Pizza dan! Nadam se da nema dileme sta se jede danas za rucak/veceru! Cheesy Kao i prosle godine, Cyrus je organizirao natjecaj na Discordu za najbolju pizzu, pa eto ako se nekom da. Samo se nadam da ce ove godine glasanje biti malo postrozeno da nebi bilo nekih sumLJivih radnji kao prosli put.

Okay everyone, I know this is long overdue and the time is short but let's start the server's updates with continuing the tradition of the Bitcoin pizza contest!

To see the rules and participate join the #pizza-day-event-2021 channel.
The contest is very similar to last year, which you could check in the #pizza-day0event-2020 channel.
Total prize pool is 0.01 BTC so far but it might increase.

Good luck and looking forward to seeing some Bitcoin pizza deliciousness in 2021!


Mali podsjetnik na moje proslogodisnje pizze, mozda nekom da inspiraciju da poboljsa moje kreacije








4577  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi schemes & Investor Based Games on: May 21, 2021, 08:56:49 AM
I agree with that perception but it's like you build a pond for frogs then target and kill them, to me it doesn't make sense to build a section for a particular thing if you are not even going to let them announce themselves.
This is a bad analogy, as forum users that are promoting scam are not banned (killed in your analogy) and their threads are not deleted. If that was the case, then I would agree with you. But currently, when after promoting ponzi you can freely go to some other part of the forum and conduct the business, I don't think that is wrong to tag that user.

Tagging is about the trust, and I don't trust anyone who is willing to promote ponzi scheme, no matter at what part of the forum they are doing that.


4578  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi schemes & Investor Based Games on: May 21, 2021, 08:35:47 AM
I doubt people who visit this section bother read it, even if it's pinned. But it's better than only having 4 sentence of warning on each thread.
Hah yeah, quite often even tag and flag is not enough to save someone, let alone that little disclaimer.



This is a good logic. Still, you would have to unignore that area and actively watch it. It would make sense a DT user do that if he wants to invest time in such a task.
I think that there are at least few DT members who are actively watching that part of the forum (I was too, but not so much anymore) and regularly reporting findings in Scam Accustain board, so chances of some ponzi going unnoticed for more than a day are very slim.
4579  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi schemes & Investor Based Games on: May 21, 2021, 08:15:09 AM
Let me make it very clear, I am strictly against these schemes but if the admin has decided that there is space for Ponzi schemes, do we as members leaving trust on them is valid? Maybe we can rather make a topic inside the section that clarifies there is a certain risk involved in these Ponzis.
I asked myself the very same questions some time ago; from what's the purpose of having such board to why even bother to tag them in the first place since that board is made specifically for that reason.

Then again, the member who promotes  ponzi on Investor-based games child board might try to conduct the business in some other parts of the forum, so I think that other forum members should be aware of that, therefore tag & flag is warranted.



Being caring is good but we should not act like we kids are playing in the forum. Everyone who has BTC probably has some brain and is above 15 at least and if gambling is accessible for them, so should be Ponzis and risks that come with it.
I do not trust anyone who promotes ponzi scheme, as simple as that. And how else to express untrustworthiness other than leaving feedback? After all, that's what trust system is for.
4580  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Burst.Money project, scamming bounty manager and participants. on: May 20, 2021, 01:21:07 PM
Makes sense but you know earlier we had a lot of ponzi signature campaigns and the way we get rid off them was through sheer discipline. No manager would just work for such campaigns and similarly we need to build a culture where no manager would work without escrow. It will take some time but eventually things will be better.
Even if by some miracle you get consensus from all bounty managers (or at least reputable ones) not to accept bounty campaigns if funds are not escrowed, project owners could simply circumvent that by hosting bounty campaign by themselves, so I don't think that there is an easy solution to all that due nature of altcoin bounty campaigns. The only way that can be done if forum itself get involved in regulating that, but I doubt that will ever happen since even outright scam are not moderated here.

What baffles me more than anything ( even more than the fact that bounty hunters keep getting into those altcoin campaigns while chances of them working for free are pretty high) is that these altcoin campaigns are still a thing here. I mean, bounty hunters follow each other on social media platforms, articles they write are copy/paste material from whitepaper so what is their actual reach among potential investors?
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