Of course they count on greed, what else. Let's not kid ourselves, vast majority of people that ate into crypto because of they possibility to make some money, and not because they are into all that financial freedom story or the tech part of it. Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with that, but crypto investors are perfect targets and that's why we see so many scam attempts. And then you add constant influx of new people that are not aware of all the dangers, and you get what we have now.

Rule of thumb: someone sends you unsolicited PM on Telegram=scam.

Couldn't agree more. People often think that 10-12 years is very long period of time and that Bitcoin somehow failed because its use didn't reach mass adoption yet, while in reality this is extremely short period of time for something as complex and I think that not even Satoshi thought that Bitcoin will spread as much as it did.

Even though I understand that not getting an answer is kinda answer itself, I still think that there should be a proper way of handling similar cases. Simple "yes" "no" or " we are looking into your case and we'll get back to you when we make decision" would look much better. Then again, I have no idea how many cases admins get on the daily basis, so maybe they don't have enough time/manpower to answer to all of them.

Yep, all those altcoin projects  are undoubtedly using sock puppet accounts, and most likely from the same "marketing agency". I will add them a little bit later tonight, and also tag some of those accounts. Not sure if that would even make any difference as they will like;y either just continue, or start using new accounts. It's usually whack-a-mole game with them.

You are not the only one; every time I see a brand new members giving advice to other newbies and seniors and then all that talk about being grateful for being a part of this forum, self-congratulating themselves  on creating the account (like its some extremely complicated and difficult procedure lol)  and whatnot, I smell a merit fishing post.

@OP take it easy buddy, don't try too hard right from the first post.

Voting is opened until tomorrow 23:59 PM GMT, so plenty of time left for those who didn't vote yet. Regarding the current situation, last time I checked I was only 1 vote ahead of Nionio, and one other member (can't remember his name as I don't think I saw him on bitcointalk before) that is few votes behind, so by tomorrow midnight anything can happen, nothing decided yet.

Good altcoin projects (they are so rare that it actually sounds like an oxymoron) are unlikely to be ruined by getting listed on some of the  smaller exchange with low volume, but more often than not that's the only thing altcoins have, being listed on some of the top exchanges so it became mandatory to splash the money for Binance listing and ignore the actual development.

Seems like some of that foam from your mouth went into your eyes. Here is that very same graph again, showing that nowhere close to 90% of the mining has been done in China. Hell, even in the title's topic you mentioned 67% so only you know what kind of mental gymnastics you used to come with 90%+ number.

Looking forward to your pizza next year, we definitely need more Italian members joining the contest to show how it's done the proper way .

Regarding pizza toppings, when you start making themed pizza (and bitcoin themed pizza has to have something bitcoin related on it ), you soon realize that you have to make some compromise as not all material works well, and quite often what works well in theory/on the paper doesn't look nearly as good after it's baked.

I usually prefer very simple pizza, either neapolitan style pizza margherita or prosciutto pizza (also very simple pizza: only tomato, fresh mozzarella and after its baked few slices of proscuitto) but neither worked well (at least for me) when I tried to make something bitcoin themed. And then you have to start experimenting with materials that actually work.

Good example of that is one of my previous bitcoin pizza's (and probably my favorite one), where i wanted to make 10 BTC signs out of cheese as it was 10 years anniversary of the famous transaction so the only way really to do is to remove all cheese except the milner  (which I usually don't put on pizza as it doesn't melt good) used for those signs. Naturally, this pizza lacks cheese, but sometimes you have to make some compromises.

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Here in Croatia (as in probably every other country except Italy) pizza places tend to put way too much stuff on it making some weird combos and trying to hide lack of material quality so when you grew up eating those kind of pizzas, classic margherita seems kinda tasteless. I remember the first time I went to Italy ( iirc it was the late 1990s) and tried their pizza, I was shocked and disappointed, as I was a kid used to eating pizza with tons of stuff on it, and there they gave me pizza with only mozzarella and tomato sauce, nothing more. But over the years and through experience you start appreciating quality material and less is more approach.

And then there is that abomination called "deep dish pizza" that is even worse than pinneapple on pizza, with the only difference that I actually tried one slice of that deep dish thing, and never again. That thing shouldn't even be called pizza imho, or as Jon Stewart in his rant said "It's a fucking casserole". .

If by early investors you mean those that are joining during seed/private sale, in huge amount of cases they make nice profit as they are buying with much bigger discount than those during public sale. They are the ones that are making shit load of money, while public sale is when it's getting way more risky to invest. Bare in mind, we are in the bull market, and once we go back into bear, situation will get much worse and it will become much riskier even for those that are investing in the priyate sale.



Hah yeah, classic image that perfectly sums up ICOs

I think that it would be very hard to find altcoin projects that meet all the above criteria, especially the one about not losing 50% or more price since ATH since there is some correction happening at the moment, but there are quite a few that managed to make decent ROI compared to IDO price and i think that's what most of the people care about. IDOs (Initial dex offerings) are slowly taking over ICO model, in which sales are organized on decentralized on platforms Polkastarter and trading starts immediately after tokens are distributed to those who managed to get allocation.

From what I could notice, another big difference between IDO and ICOs is that allocations are much smaller, and projects usually raise from 500k to few million USD, compared to ICOs in 2017 when similar shitcoins were raising tens of millions. So instead IDO investors getting screwed (like in 2017/2018) usually those that buy when trading starts lose the money. Bottom line, its still very risky business.

If interested, here you can find some info about ROI
https://cryptorank.io/ico

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@OP above everything, you should check does the projects you are thinking about investing in has any reason to actually use blockchain and does it solve any real issue. In 99% of the cases, you will find that an answer is no, therefore avoid.

What a bunch of nonsense. Purpose of this signature campaigns is to promote 1xbit and not to "help understand the problem of gambling".

Thing is, clearing all those issues that they have would have much better effect on their forum reputation than just hiring bunch of people to share their signature campaign, but they are obviously not really interested in that.

Exactly this! I read that 90%+ of startups fail, no matter the type, so that's just in their nature, to fail. That percentage is of course much higher when it comes to crypto startups as huge majority of those don't really have any reason to use cryptocurrencies, but buzzwords like "decentralized and  "blockchain" are what attracts investors and speculators.


There are two main reason why their price goes down a lot: first is because their utility token doesn't really have any use case at the time of the listing (and usually not even after few years lol), and if there is no use case, people will just dump it. 2nd and equally important is bad tokenomics, where they sell way too much in early sale phases without locking/vesting so those early investors who paid a fraction of the announced "ICO price"  simply dump the tokens upon exchange listing.

@Pokapoka124 This topic has been discussed so many times before, and if you bothered to use search option you would find an answer to all your questions.

Pa bas to, uvedi strogu kontrolu, i kripto market ce postati kao dionice ali onda zaboravite na ove divlje gAinZe. E sad, ako to ljudima pase, onda super. Musk je klaun i muljator, ali nije nista sto nismo vidjeli u kriptu i ranije, tako da se nema potrebe oko toga previse nervirati, a i nesjecam se da su ljudi nesto puno prigovarali kad je zbog onih njegovih prvih tweetova BTC krenuo pumpati iako je bio zreo za korekciju. Znas onu, be careful what you wish for.

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U ostalim vijestima, izgleda da i Apple pravi prve sramezljive korake prema kripto adopciji.

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E da, glasanje na Discordu za onu pizzu je pocelo, pa navratite i glasajte za koga mislite da je napravio najbolju, ima par zanimljivih

Couldn't agree more, it's just unnatural combo that I don't wanna try, even though some people (including my wife lol) says its great.


I personally don't have anything against @GazetaBitcoin joining the contest. The more the merrier

Matic made ANN thread, then one more post month after and never really came back, and it's been almost 2 years now. Cosmos, Tron and other few projects you mentioned are also not really new and are at least few years old. About decentralized VPN provider, you maybe mean Mysterium? At least that's the decentralized VPN provider that I heard of. So yeah, those are not exactly new projects at all, which I had in mind when I said that bitcointalk is not really place anymore to advertise altcoins. This can also be seen through decrease in post count, which was at its peak during last altcoin season.

But generally, I don't think that top altcoin projects even consider advertising here, as even if they do bounty campaign, I doubt that they will have much effect; if they decide to start signature campaign and pay in their tokens they will  get bunch of shitposters, and if they create ANN thread it will be drowned in the pile of shitcoin threads.

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To answer the OP, this forum will always have historic significance as it was created by Satoshi himself and despite all these new means of communication, will always be relevant when it comes to discussions about anything bitcoin related. After all, that's why this forum is created for.

I beg to disagree, bitcointalk is the last place where you want to advertise your altcoin project. I mean, back in the day when altcoins didn't have many option, advertising here was a must I guess. Hell, back in the day even Vitalik created ANN here to promote Ethereum, which I can't imagine  any of the new popular altcoins like Polkadot or Link would do now. I don't go much into altcoin section anymore, but from what I could see, huge majority of altcoin projects that come here to advertise are worst possible shitcoins not even capable of entering top 200-300.

Then again, it's no surprise that altcoins are avoiding bitcointalk. First, because vast majority of them are indeed worthless shitcoins and will be called out/tagged if there is anything wrong with them, and usually there is something to be found. 2nd, this is bitcoin forum after all so people here generally consider all altcoins as shitcoins (except maybe Monero and a few others) so why come here in the first place?

My guess is probably nothing, but bounty managers probably promise miracles in order to get the job and when that doesn't happen, we get situations like this one.


I think that's more of a rule than exception when it comes to bounty campaign. Thing is, quality control is not in anyone's interest (sometimes maybe not even client's) because if it was, 90% of bounty hunters wouldn't be able to join any campaign and bounty managers are  mostly interested in number of participants that they can show to their clients.

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This will keep happening until bounty hunters start avoiding bounty campaigns with clear red flags such as inflated bounty pool. For example, Student Coin bounty pool is 1 million USD worth of tokens. How can anyone in their right mind think that some project willing to give such a huge amount of tokens can be legit or that will honor the deal? Just looking at the spreadsheet, some bounty hunters are supposed to get 400k+ tokens worth almost 9,000 USD (based on ICO price) for a crappy paraphrased or text spinned Medium article. Just ridiculous, but as they say common sense is not so common.

I am not surprised that CEO of Student Coin said that about inefficiency of bounty hunters, and bounty campaigns in general. Bounty hunters follow each other, make copy/pasted articles and generally have  no reach. Can you imagine someone buying coin just because someone with questionable English level wrote some useless article on the completely irrelevant blogging platform that only other bounty hunters use.

As you said, all this doesn't mean that bounty hunters shouldn't be paid for their work, unless they set some metrics on which the bounty payment depends on.