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4581  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What regular people think about bitcoin ? on: January 22, 2016, 11:52:10 AM
My family thinks it's something illegal and always tell me be careful when dealing with it since government is very strict (the problem is they don't know anything about it and are more of a traditional thinkers therefor when I earn money thru online, they assume it may be some sort of illegal stuff). My friends think it's too complicated for them to get on board, no matter how many times I tried to break it down for them into small pieces. 

Family will always scared of online stuff as they are not used to it, and they haven't into the technology as we did, as when internet took birth they were scared of it too, and they have only one feeling that internet involves bad activities, so it is very difficult for us to convince them, but we need to show them the positive part of bitcoins and change their mentality.

But there is nothing positive about bitcoins that an average person would find useful. What are you going to tell them? That it's anonymous? That the transactions are somewhat fast? Guess what, when you are paying with paypal or visa transactions are instant. Are you going to tell them about the volatility of the price or that it's impossible to buy a lot of things directly with bitcoins?

We have to face it, bitcoin is not for the average person, at least not yet.
4582  Economy / Gambling / Re: Dice gambling method #1 - Use wisely. on: January 22, 2016, 11:48:22 AM
There's just no point in trying to find methods to gamble. If you want to have an strategy, find a game that supports strategies. Start learning about poker and how to play texas hold'em, that's what I would do. Strategy with dice and roulette and slots based games, it's just not going to make much sense in my opinion.

There is no fixed strategy to play poker only for blackjack. Dice does support strategies because some strategies are better than others, none of them is going to make you win a guaranteed profit but depending on what you want you can pick the strategy that suits your purposes better.
4583  Economy / Services / Re: [Unitaco.com] ★ Signature Campaign ★ Upto 0.0008/post [FULL]. on: January 22, 2016, 11:37:48 AM
payment receive, is the campaign still running ?
Are you sure? Just check your enrollment and I found nothing from your address. you didn't receive anything:
https://blockchain.info/address/17EuyPFt2DA1Yhm9s1t2gYboPPiMzDSJ27
Username: Pattart
Post count: 256
Rank: Full member
Bitcoin address: 17EuyPFt2DA1Yhm9s1t2gYboPPiMzDSJ27

So the guys above who claim they have received payment are probably the shill accounts of this project.



No, I received the payment too but not on my address, the admin sent pm's with a voucher that you can redeem at unitaco.com and then send to your address.
4584  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is it profitable to invest in betting sites? on: January 20, 2016, 05:49:28 PM
It is basically guaranteed tho. If you invest in a trusted casino like just-dice. The chances of getting scammed by that casino are null and since investing in a casino is +EV, meaning you have better odds to get profit in the long term than not, yeah it is guaranteed, what are you not understanding?

The situation for investing in JD is a bit more complicated as you will need to take CLAM/BTC exchange rate into consideration as well. As you can see on https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_clam, the exchange rate is very unstable (one year high: 0.0144 vs one year low: 0.00072). There is no guarantee that the rate will be stable in the future nor the rate will go up in the long term.

many investors earned a nice share with investing in JD but i agree that there is no guarantee that clams rate will be stable or going up

However you are guaranteed to earn more clams long term. Using that logic there is no btc investment that's good because btc price is just as unstable so why bother investing in anything?
4585  Economy / Speculation / Re: And so the crash continues... on: January 20, 2016, 05:43:21 PM
I see a good support around 350$ . So if break 385 next step will be 400$

Wow, very accurate. Now, bitcoin price is around $415 (when i made this post).
I think it'll keep rising to $425 & stay around $4xx Smiley

1 developer quit & said bitcoin was failed can't make bitcoin price crashed.

Is it me or I can't see the price in CoinDesk? I just see a blank page. But I only see the price at 410 dollar in the index.
I hope we will see going up again in the 450 dollar again.
I think in March we will see 500 if not I hoping it will go that way before the halving.

Seems to be stabilizing at 410 probably 400-420$ in the next few days until the next pump/dump, I think it will slowly rise to where we were before the crash. I mean after all the dump was pretty stupid so I see great potential to rise up again.
4586  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin make Banks disappear? on: January 20, 2016, 05:41:36 PM
Bitcoin can make new banks stronger. If a bank integrates bitcoin in its payment system and provides bitcoin related service, this bank will be very popular.

Not now, not yet. An average person won't need or want to use bitcoin. They will see the volatility of the price and that not many services use bitcoin and they will think, hmm why would I use bitcoins? And they are right, there is not much benefit in using bitcoins right now unless you are trading or believe in satoshi nakamoto.
4587  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go sub 400! on: January 20, 2016, 05:36:31 PM
Didn't last very long.

it was not possible, people tend to forget the importance of the halving, the price will not decrease under 350, ever, unless some catastrophic event appear, like all farms implode or something

new minimum this year will be 700 at least

Did you seriously just said 700 because it's 350 x 2? I hope not, you obviously have no idea. Just because halving means half of the reward, doesn't mean the price will double, by your logic bitcoin would have died when it hit less than 200$ right? because the price was too low compared to the reward.
4588  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will you be happy if Bitcoin remained as it is now? on: January 20, 2016, 04:09:49 PM
i want to add that if you understand how bitcoin network and halving work, you should already now the answer of the OP, bitcoin can not remain stable, because of the way the contorlled supply is built

the price need to increase at any cost or miners are screwed, otherwise why you think satoshi said that famous quote about 20 years no volume or big volume?

Not really, look at litecoin halving, it had no effect whatsoever on litecoin when it happened, not even days before or after. The same can happen with bitcoin, halving doesn't mean the price will increase because it doesn't need to if a lot of miners stop mining and the difficulty drops.
4589  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is DEAD... on: January 20, 2016, 04:08:18 PM
So funny that people thinks that bitcoin is dead.
After all this can be the year for bitcoin everyone is specting a good increase after the halving.
For sure bitcoin won't dead I think it will just take a long time before it goes. we will see what will happen.

I'm pretty sure this post was a joke like many others because the whole ''bitcoin is dead'' is a meme now, a joke, everyone says it every time there is a dump. We are experiencing a big pump right now and it seems like it's going to be stable at 400-420~ the next few days.
4590  Other / Meta / Re: If site turns out scam,is the signature campaign manager to blame? on: January 19, 2016, 06:34:08 PM
warned it is highly likely a ponzi.
I don't think he can be blamed for supporting something that is "likely" some kind of scam. When someone says that a site is "likely" a scam then that person is giving an opinion. In other words, the person is saying that they do not like the business practices of a site.

Well if you are a person who does not like the business practices of a site why would you promote them? It's like hey look at this site is great but they are probably a scam. That doesn't make any sense to me besides he is already a campaign manager for a lot of other campaigns, did he really need the dirty money from ore-mine? In my opinion if you promote a scam you are a scammer as well.

The manager did not warn but was warned.
If you were managing a campaign and got such warning would you resign? Should a person resign the moment someone accuses the company of stealing money or any other dishonesty? A huge number of these accusations is usually false.


Actually that depends, pretty much all websites that were accused to be ponzies by highly trusted members here turned out to be ponzies because it's not that difficult to spot a ponzi scheme however as you said that doesn't mean the site is a scam so if he didn't know for sure I would say he shouldn't be blamed.
4591  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is it profitable to invest in betting sites? on: January 19, 2016, 06:29:19 PM
1% per a month is a lot more than most banks!

I have invested in a few different sites for some months. From my personal experience, the average return is a lot better than 1% a month. But I don't think it should be compared with the bank deposit rate, as the degree of risk is very much different.

can i know what is all the gambling sites u invest in? may be interested to divert my investment too.

Currently I have invested some bitcoin in Safedice and Just-dice, and I have previously invested in Moneypot, PRC and Bitdice.

Interesting, 1% profit monthly each site? If you invested 100 btc each site you get 1+1 = 2 bitcoin every month.
The question is, is it worth invested 100 bitcoin to get 1 bitcoin monthly? Hmmmm . is it profitable? Yes it is profitable. But I think risking too much money by invest on risk thing like gambling company is not good idea.

What's your point? You want investments risk free? They do NOT exist, investments always have risk, this is a controlled risk, you know you have +EV so you know you are going to get profit eventually and you are not really risking all your money, It would be hard, close to impossible to lose 100 bitcoins if you invested them in a casino.

My point : investing in casino are profitable, but the risk is not worth.

I know there's no free-risk investment. But investing in casino / any other gambling site are not worth I think. They could be in trouble when the casino decide to disappeared/scam.

Reference :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=97219

That makes no sense, what do you mean it's not worth? This is basically a guaranteed investment, you have more chances to get profit than not, how is that not worth? I would say it's actually extremely worth it as long as you are investing into trusted and well established casinos.
4592  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: from 10 EUR to 1280 EUR on 7 bets on: January 19, 2016, 06:25:09 PM
there is no any person could make 1280 eur from 10 eur i tell such it because i was never see no one can do it also OP was never updated his bets status in this thread

Its very much possible if your luck keeps you up, today see a match was there where Rajeev Ram upset the South African legend ( yeah due to injury ) , so in case you had a bet on him, you can easily get to some 250$ from 10$ ( or euro ) .. you never know Wink


Professional tipsters don't need luck, a pro would be able to make 1280 euros from 10 not in 7 bets but he would eventually turn 10 euros in 1k. Of course I doubt OP is actually a pro tipster and I have seen man threads like this with big wins from different casinos but most of them turned to be a scam, an advertisement for the site.
4593  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will you be happy if Bitcoin remained as it is now? on: January 19, 2016, 02:41:52 PM
Honetly, I've been waiting for the price to set low for a while so hat it is easier or much cheaper to et bitcoins but I still want it to rise up. That's the main reason why I've been saving bitcoins and I think other people has the same reason why they are holdi into their coins. We've allbeen waitig for the coins price to rise but i it will remain this low then maybe it is not that bad at all.
We couldn't control the price. The high volatility is a serious matter to scare many ppl away! I expect billions  of ppl are adopting Bitcoin! Then Bitcoin will be a standard way of payment and will be stable!

It seems extremely hard for bitcoin to find stability because when a big business adopts bitcoin the price spikes up, for how long though? The next day bad news about bitcoin, panic sellers read the news, dump bitcoin again and so on. When will bitcoin find the stability if that keeps happening, how can we prevent it? I don't see a good solution right now.
4594  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Paid to gamble on: January 19, 2016, 02:37:11 PM
It still puts the gambling addiction in you. So later in the future you will be more likely to deposit and play.

Well, OP already said his site does not allow users to deposit and also will never allow deposits. BTW, I do agree with the others that the site should be classified as a gambling site, as it is pretty much like someone going to PD and only playing with the faucet money.

Yeah in the end you will get ban from them because of abuse their faucet. Btw if deposit is never allow on this site I dont think it will never called gambling then because you dont really use your money to do things just like faucet that give you 500 sat each hour or something like that
Why would I ban someone?

Isn't it normal that someone who "abuses" (by using bots/multiple accounts) gets banned?

This is just like those app on game store , free digital money for you to play and you can buy free digital money with real money ..
We don't sell any credits.

I tried it and it's really cool but as people level up and are able to bet more, won't you end up loosing way too much money? I mean I know you have ad revenue but it's not going to be enough, I still feel like there is some kind of trick that you are not telling people.
I am good at creating demand for products, that's all.
There's no tricks here. Everything is legit Smiley

I'm going to add more games, which means more people will be coming on the site. That means more ad revenue (and faucet balance).



Hmm, yes but I, for example, have used the faucet and played the game for an a hour and I was able to make almost 5000 credits and that's only using 1 credit as initial bet, I can't imagine what would happen when someone can bet more, he could use a bot and get a net profit of 20k-50k per hour depending on luck and initial bet, I don't see how you are going to be able to cope with that but hey if you can, congratulations. As I said the site is pretty cool because of the +EV games.
put into perspective, thats at most 20 cents an hour, which is completely not worth the time and effort that might have been put into it and a complete waste of time imo. its funny how even then, a lot of people will claim playing with the faucet is profitable and "worth the time" no matter what because it enables them to gamble.

Well if he can detect botters then no it's not going to be worth it, obviously but 20 cents an hour are 4.8 dollars a day which is 144 dollars a month, thats for 1 user only, it's not a huge amount of money but you can see why it can be a problem if a lot of users do it, right?
4595  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: January 19, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
I won't say never, but holding instead of panic selling is advised. I remember i did some panic selling in the past.
But after the last dip i know it's better to buy more instead of selling.

it's a simple rule. just don't panic. seeing the price go down makes me happy as i can buy more coins at lower price levels. people just have to realize that panic sellers are always losing. at some point when the price is going up and they feel good about buying, they end up buying at higher price levels. it's just stupid. keep holding.

It's not stupid at all if you know what you are doing, I love when the price collapses because I can sell high and wait for the price to go down and buy again, panic selling is not bad if you know when to buy again, it's a really good trading strategy actually. Wait for dumps and profit.
4596  Other / Meta / Re: Signature campaign on the new forum? on: January 19, 2016, 02:32:19 PM
Well, you see, the signature campaigns are not really the problem. People abusing them create the problems and I always said that stricter rules should be applied to signature campaign participants. The spam would eventually be lower if every signature spammer gets banned, unfortunately right now, that's not the case. You can find blatantly obvious spammers in the off-topic section or games and rounds.
If you're not doing anything to prevent the spammers, you should be the last one complaining considering you too have a signature. If yobit spammers are spamming, go for hilarious , if secondstrade participants are spamming report them in their campaign thread. Both campaigns(only ones which count off-topic and games and rounds posts) are effectively removing the spammers. And if any other participants are spamming(tolerable to a certain extent) in other boards, try contacting mods, from what I've seen nearly all are quite friendly and responsive.
As for signature campaigns, any amount of complaining will not stop them on the forum. Where do all of you think 60%+ of pageviews come from? From people refreshing their "Show new replies to your posts." , unread posts or Watchlist. Theymos has stated his verdict on the matter already and from what I've seen he rarely changes his opinion

You are always very passive/aggressive in your posts, you too used a signature by the way. Now, how can you know I'm not doing anything to help? I am, I report a spammer whenever I see one, I don't have many reports but I got 100% accuracy. I just said stricter rules and more mod participation in the problem would be nice, is not the users job to find spammers, hackers, trolls, etc. Thats why you have mods, isn't it?
4597  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will you be happy if Bitcoin remained as it is now? on: January 18, 2016, 08:37:10 PM
It is true that you can buy some things with bitcoin in some stores and all. But mainly Bitcoin has come to be an investment/stock, similar to gold some say. I am quite happy with the possibility of earning it in the internet by simple means (banners, faucets, posting, doing small tasks and works) internationally and without so much government control, and also about speculating with it. I would love it would become a widely used currency and be able to pay everywhere with it... But would not be angry if it remained as it is now (used by some, with the ability to be transferred and earned through internet).

What do you think?

People are waking up to the fiat ponzi scheme being perpetuated by the banking system.  And when the people of this planet wake up and discover that they've been lied to for hundreds of years, they won't want US Dollars, Euros, or Yen. The people will demand digital currencies like Bitcoin (and others).

The cryptocurrencies that ultimately survive and THRIVE will be those that resist the temptation of eating the apple offered by the banks, and remain pure to the spirit of Satoshi's vision. We must embrace and protect cryptocurrencies and keep them "by the people and for the people."

If bitcoin can remain independent of organized banking forces, it will survive. Otherwise, the torch will be passed to other communities that can remain strong, united, and inflexibly resilient.

Exactly, bitcoin needs to stay away from banks. I want to buy bitcoins from people not from banks, I want to do whatever I want with my bitcoins. I don't want loans with bitcoins from banks, I'm fine getting them from other people. There is no need for any organization to control bitcoin, we are fine as it is.
4598  Economy / Marketplace / Re: How can we encourage local businesses to accept BTC? on: January 18, 2016, 08:32:26 PM
We encourage local businesses to accept bitcoin by firstly putting bitcoin stickers in the shops, near them, by making people being interested in this, talking with the employees and if we can talk directly to the director of a shop, explaining the pros and cons of bitcoin.

Yes, it could be a good idea. Then is important to focus that if you use bitcoin you don't need bank  Shocked

But that's a lie, you do need a bank or some sort of online payment to even be able to buy bitcoins in the first place and you will eventually have to sell them to get dollars. Local business are not going to adopt bitcoin any time soon because it's simply not worth it for them, what are they gaining? A tedious payment method that can always go 100$ down in price in hours, so why would they use it?
4599  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is it profitable to invest in betting sites? on: January 18, 2016, 08:29:32 PM
Dont think its profitable. Its more linked to the fun or addiction than investiment.

Agreed with you, its not advisable to invest in a betting site. These sites are for fun and enjoyment, there is no concrete profit from such sites, so its better to bet on your favorite sport or any other event and make some profit. There are many other options available which can be proved as profitable investment, try it.

But you actually have odds in your favor when you are investing in a casino, you have +EV, therefore it's actually advisable to invest, I think you don't understand how it works, it's not better to bet at all, investing in casinos is a long term profit unless the casino scams you.
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