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461  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 04:08:09 PM
If a nuclear bomb exploded over my head and I lived, Id believe in almost anything. But more importantly, pondering bullshit that NEVER happens as possible evidence of a biblical being is the height of stupidity.  I WILL NOT survive if a nuclear bomb goes off over my head.  A dead dismembered rotting man WILL NOT EVER come back to life. Wondering what a person might believe if this bullshit happened is a complete waste of time and exercise in futility.
462  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 04:03:46 PM
The fool in his heard has said there is no God.

And when folk think anything is probable in this universe, well, one can see the truth of that.  That someone might think that, if a nuclear weapon was to explode over his head, and destroy everything in its path except him, that this is a matter of probabilities, is truly sad.

that you would think I believe anything you have just said is truly sad.

You are a sad sad delusional man .  Your religiously indoctrinated brain  is incapable of reading anything with objectivity to the point you completely misunderstand what other people say.

I have never said there is no higher power.  I have said there could be many many times.  I have correctly pointed out there is no evidence of your god.   I have said that the bible was clearly written by man and religion was invented by  man, for which there is a lot of evidence.  But religion and a higher power (god) are two different things.
463  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 03:53:01 PM
The math that eludes zolace is  1+1=3. In zolace' world, facts are simply a matter of "faith".  In zolace' world 1+1=3 is truth, if you believe it.

"Jesus Math".

Time is not on your side.  You have had more than enough time to prove your crack-pot superstitious beliefs.
464  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
It takes you months and hundreds of posts just to understand someone else's very simple position, and still you don't understand it.

Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability.  It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
And there lies in your problem - this dogma of yours.  That is superstition, my friend.  But, it is effective in keeping considerations of the Creator out of the picture, by raising the bar such that no matter what happens, you will find an explanation for it regardless how silly.

There is a test, however, you can do - anyone can - and let the chips fall where they will.
wow that's rich.  you accusing others of superstitious beliefs.  LOL  I've heard it all now.  The bar is not high at all zolace when comparing probabilities.  The bar is quite low.  If one outcome is more probable than another, it is more likely.  Not superstition, but mathematical fact.  Ill show the equation when I have time.
465  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 03:41:14 PM
It takes you months and hundreds of posts just to understand someone else's very simple position, and still you don't understand it.

Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability.  It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
466  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 03:37:43 PM
rigon,noviapriani
I have not added any details to the below scenario.   You may not have read them carefully, but, that is what I have been posting.  Look back.

So, there are two choices here as what is the most logical explanation.  It would best be explained by science, or via a supernatural explanation.

You have chosen science, above.  
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1.You are walking in the woods, hiking, enjoying nature, and you come across someone you know, but dead.

2.You are able to determine that the body has been dead and decomposing for about 10 days.

3.Pieces of it are dismembered - for example, the right arm is 50 feet away.

4.And, no technology around. You are not in a lab. You may be carrying your cell phone, IPAD, but, personal stuff.

5.And while you are looking at this body, before your very eyes, this person rises immediately, whole and alive again. His arm from 50 feet away is not re-attached to his body. He is well, and he knows you, just as you knew him.
What if.....Thousands of Christians prayed for safety/salvation during a natrural disaster, and all died?
467  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 03:27:40 PM
Sigh.  No.   I repeat for the 12th time.      I have said it remains more logical to believe a miracle of modern medicine or cloning than to believe a magical god did it.  I also said there are fantastical things that I could imagine that would make me consider supernatural.  However, pondering nonsense that has never occurred is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

Now before you ever respond to me in this thread again I want you to repost what I said above and indicate you understand that is my position.

Can you do that?

I guess zolace is going to be like a rat terrier and rag this stupid thing until someone pays attention to him, and I don't think I'm doing anyone any favors by paying attention to him, but.....

What you are basically describing in the above is a situation that is impossible. But for the sake of argument let's say it happened...

Great! You have a fine example of the supernatural.  That's all well & good, but it is not proof of your "creator".  While 'divine intervention may be supernatural, the supernatural is not proof of divine intervention.  It doesn't make your fairy tales true.
468  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 03:12:35 PM
To reiterrate...

We (including you, zolace) seems to have no problem with what is supernatural when we see it.
The only person with issues is you, zolace.  Your problem is that, YOU want to see the "supernatural" in everything.  You are like the die-hard UFO enthusist who sees blinking light in the night sky and thinks ET, and ignores the fact that it's just an airplane.

Your issues run even deeper, zolace.....
Even if you can ever demonstrate the "supernatural", you still have a long row to how proving divine intervention.
469  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
There does not seem to be any disagreement about what is or is not supernatural.
Even zolace has a grasp of the situation.... hence the problem....

It's like different people with different mind-set looking at the same object in the sky and wondering....

"Is it an ET ?"
"Is it some ultra-secret military aircraft?"
"Is it some other natural occurance thet we don't understand?"

Within the limitations of the data, 1 person, or 1000 persons will not see the same object the same way, and will process the data the way they are taught to do.

zolace...
There is no need for "What If...?" scenerios. You only use them because you believe you are contributing something "intellectual", when in fact you are just looking stupid.

"What if I took a  tour of NY City riding on the back of a winged pig!!""

THAT!!! Would be supernatural.

zolace-
Everyone here has a firm understanding of the power of prayer and miracles, with the exception of you, zolace.
"One white crow is evedince that not all crows are black."
 
All that if required of you is provide JUST ONE example of your "creator".
470  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israelis chanting “There’s no school tomorrow, there’s no children left in Gaza" on: July 30, 2014, 02:30:51 PM
I've been so conflicted during this.entire thing. Israel has tried really hard to make themselves look good by saying they set all the proper precautions and giving warning. But they started it by using the three kids as an excuse for their reign of terror. Hamas are too prideful to back down. Israel is just being a bully. Also guys we have to separate the israelis from the government. Of course.the Israelis are going to say hateful things.
471  Other / Politics & Society / Re: North korea threatens DC with nukes on: July 30, 2014, 01:46:16 PM
Well, nuking the White House would also destroy the Pentagon. Not sure why they would waste 2 rockets when one would be enough. I agree that the White House is a stronghold of evil. If they wait till obama gets finished firing the good Military Leaders and replacing them with really evil ones, then, by all means, send that extra rocket.
472  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Feds upset That Technology is Making it More Difficult to Spy on People on: July 30, 2014, 01:04:56 PM
Great article. I was surprise that Voice over IP connections are more difficult to access than traditional land lines. I guess the point was a company enabled easy way to access and intercept conversations.
473  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crime (Israel) and Punishment (Russia) on: July 30, 2014, 12:22:08 PM
i was somewhat hopeful before this article. the world is more than just nato/europe and china, all the other countries will probably pick sides and join whomever. many countries support Russias just cause.
474  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014 on: July 30, 2014, 12:05:58 PM
The more Hamas keeps firing into civilian areas, the greater the consequences. They can stop anytime they want but continue.... gluttons for punishment.
475  Other / Politics & Society / Re: HSBC: the bank that likes to say no to Muslim accounts on: July 30, 2014, 11:57:19 AM
So, HSBC will actively help South American drug cartels launder their money (and it's a matter of public record), but they'll stop normal Muslims from banking there.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they spin this.
476  Other / Off-topic / Would you eat this? on: July 30, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/07/30/donut-cheesesteak-burger-debuts/20939129/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000058

Donut cheesesteak burger debuts:

A local Philadelphia burger joint called 'PYT' has debuted what looks like a heart attack on a plate: The
Donut Cheesesteak Burger. PYT is no stranger to strange and quirky burgers such as the 'Doh! Nut' to the 'Firebird Chicken Sriracha, and the owner said he really thinks this one will be a hit.
 Its all rather unbelievable! I would be sick for a week if I even tried to eat anything on their menu. http://pytburger.com/
477  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NIGERIA, LIBERIA TO SHUT DOWN EBOLA HOSPITALS on: July 29, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
Just saw a segment on Morning Joe in regards to Ebola. Dr. Nancy Snyderman stated that the latest victims to come down with Ebola, was not around any of the patients, but responsible for gathering up the hazmat suits for cleaning.  Obama bringing in potential disease via plane....besides what he's doing on our southern border.  What a POS!


As Ebola outbreak rages, medical community searches for answers

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-spreads-confusion-fear-in-medical-community/
478  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NIGERIA, LIBERIA TO SHUT DOWN EBOLA HOSPITALS on: July 29, 2014, 04:43:20 PM
So....let me get this straight.  Ebola outbreak is out of control, and we're flying people from Africa over to the U.S.?  Seriously....how do we know these people are not infected themselves?  Complete and total madness o the part of Obama, the CDC, and Homeland Security.    No planes from Africa should be allowed to land in the U.S until this virus is contained and under control.......period.
479  Other / Politics & Society / Re: what do you think about the way college tuitions keep increasing out of control on: July 29, 2014, 04:35:26 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/upshot/how-the-government-exaggerates-the-cost-of-college.html?_r=0
How the Government Exaggerates the Cost of College

* * *

But it turns out the government’s measure is deeply misleading.

For years, that measure was based on the list prices that colleges published in their brochures, rather than the actual amount students and their families paid. The government ignored financial-aid grants. Effectively, the measure tracked the price of college for rich families, many of whom were not eligible for scholarships, but exaggerated the price – and price increases – for everyone from the upper middle class to the poor.

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Taking into account financial aid — some of which comes from the colleges themselves, some of which comes from the government — the average tuition and fees were $12,460 at private colleges last year and $3,120 for in-state students at public four-year colleges, according to the College Board. At those prices, college is an investment with an excellent return for the vast majority of students who graduate.

* * *

Fortunately, the government isn’t the only organization that collects data on college tuition over time. The College Board also does, and it publishes different indexes on published tuition and net-price tuition, separately for public and private colleges. (Only scholarship grants are considered in the net-price calculation. Loans, appropriately, are treated as part of the tuition that families are really paying.)

Net tuition and fees at private four-year colleges have risen 22 percent since 1992, the College Board says, and the increase has been 60 percent at public four-year colleges. Community-college tuition has declined, because aid grants have outpaced published tuition. These numbers are obviously quite different from the government’s index showing a 107 percent increase.
480  Other / Politics & Society / Re: what do you think about the way college tuitions keep increasing out of control on: July 29, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
The real question is why tuition and costs go up so much. Find the underlying reason. Teachers at Universities have not had their salaries go up that much. Other costs like maintenance and utilities have not gone up that much. So WHY is it costing so much more?

Those are the areas that need to be controlled.
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