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461  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Ethereum: 2nd gen cryptocurrency with contract programming, "dagger" hashing on: January 20, 2014, 08:34:00 AM
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AD 26011: 1.2T Ethers

Yeah, but I would have mirrored my mind into a quantum computer by 26011.  Grin
462  Economy / Economics / Re: Winkelvoss ETP could become THE pricing mechanism for BTC on: January 20, 2014, 08:24:59 AM
... wouldn't there be more benefit purely for ease of transactions if a public company would have all of its assets in Bitcoin, and issue shares against it?

Well done, you just described an exchange traded fund...   Cheesy

soo, thats just a parallel market with no use of the BTC involved and without the possibility of withdrawing?! im not sure whats the purpose here..  Roll Eyes
The purpose is to allow retail investors and pension funds to invest in bitcoins as an asset class and not have to worry about where to buy it, when to buy it, how to store it and when to sell it.

The WBT will probably act as a one way trapdoor for Bitcoins, driving up the value of remaining Bitcoins on the market. And that is a very, very good thing.
463  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: Trade your DZ MC GB shares with other buyers / sellers at our Official Subreddit on: January 20, 2014, 06:55:35 AM
I have 10 shares in R17 (first batch) for sale. Please post your bids here. Thanks. Offers for less than 10 shares you pay transfer fee. Offers for 10 shares, I pay transfer fee.
464  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Closed]R17x: Black Arrow Prospero X-3 <DZMC Exclusive> $130 / 40GHS on: January 20, 2014, 06:54:32 AM
I have 10 shares in R17 (first batch) for sale. Please post your bids here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386682.60.
465  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Closed]R17x: Black Arrow Prospero X-3 <DZMC Exclusive> $130 / 40GHS on: January 20, 2014, 03:29:31 AM
Do we have any info on tapeout and meeting the Feb 24th schedule?  Thanks  Smiley
466  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 19, 2014, 12:18:28 AM

Well, no one avoids death but that's not what we're writing about.

Hey, one of the folks at the BBQ today suggested that for next Shabbot, instead of goat or chicken, we round up some Long Pig.  Said Long Pig is a traditional sacrifice in many religious community, including Judaism and Christianity but I've not heard of it.

Long Pig, that is.

Can you help me out?

Smiley
Well some think of their immediate needs whilst others of things beyond. Some fill their stomachs without dealing with the emptiness of the soul. There is more to this world than just satisfying our earthly needs. For those that seek, they shall find. Yet others consume in accordance with their desires. If that is you, so be it. On the day of judgement all will be held to account for every action and every word. If you think, you are provoking me then that is not correct. You seek to hurt but instead I pray that god will have mercy on you. As to Long Pig, that is an evil that should not be mentioned. By your own actions you demonstrate to everyone the workings of your mind.

How is the world a better place without god and even religion? Will it be filled with people like you? What is to say that what you do is right or wrong? Who is to judge that? Will you expose the evil of Long Pig to your children and grandchildren? What gives you the right to do that to others? You criticise god fearing people for extremism, yet three fingers point back at you.
467  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 18, 2014, 08:58:18 PM

We chose a chicken but rather than just burn it up on the altar of sacrifice, we basted it, put it on the grille, cooked it up nicely, after which we served it up with salad, chips and beer.

Wink
Fair enough. Enjoy this life as much as you can. It is only logical. After the meal, one finds hunger again not long after. There is a time for everything. Unfortunately, man's days on earth are numbered. Who has managed to avoid death?
468  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 18, 2014, 08:42:21 PM
I think I'll go out and sacrifice a goat or maybe a chicken.

Wink
That's part of it. But first we are required to purify ourselves. Then we require a priest from the Levites to intercede on our behalf. Even then the sacrifice is not perfect. Just FYI.
469  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 18, 2014, 12:24:41 AM

So you think all Bible schools are the same?  I think that there are some very good ones out there.  I went to a Christian college and loved my Bible teachers.  They really challenged me to take off my American English speaking glasses that I wear and read the Bible for what it really says, not for what we see because of the world view we personally have.  My husband even learned Biblical Greek there so he could read the Bible for what it really says and better understand what the original manuscripts were trying to tell us.  So I think making blanket statements that "Bible School Contradicts the Bible" is a little extreme don't you?  There are some great ones out there.  Sure there are some that are not so good to but not all are the same.

But I agree that we do have to choose which master we work for.  Some people think that they only serve themselves, but that is the exactly what Satan wants and in doing so are serving him, perhaps ignorantly.
By your own admission yes I say all Bible schools contradict the bible. You say that they taught you to read it for what it is. Can I ask you a few questions? Do you wear tzitzit? Do you cover your head? Do you think the torah and the "new" testament are 2 books or all the bible is one? Do you believe in Yahoushua or do you still call him the blasphemous Zeus name of Je Zues? I only ask if "school" taught you anything about these things at all or conveniently ignored it all? do you celebrate blasphemous christmas and ishtar easter? All of these are encouraged by "bible"school. I don't think it's extreme that the bible is written in ancient pictograph and paleo hebrew while the new testament is written also in either hebrew or aramaic but yet "school" taught you greek is the original text (lies) and now your husband knows the language of idolatrous polytheistic philosophers who hate YHWH and his word and seek to "rationalize" him out of existence and making doctrines of men over the word of YHWH.

The lie of getting you to learn greek the helenistic people who are responsible for destroying the Torah and YHWH's word while getting you to worship zues on the day of sun while deceiving you and hiding behind the YHWH of the bible is more than enough evidence for me to boldly say with all authority that yes ALL Bible schools contradict the bible as the rouch ha kodesh is our teacher and Yahoushua says no man is over another yet "school" has it's system of man's authority that cares about titles degrees and stature instead of truth of YHWH.
Are you starting to see any contradictions yet? Also what fruit do these schools produce. People like Meelvanchris who went there and learned from contradicting men that somehow YWHW contradicted himself? Or you and your husband who believe greek has to do with YHWH when his kadosh tongue is hebrew? aleph beyt vs alphabet.
As you yourself know, all the Ten Commandments are encompassed by the first two. Why complicate matters with schools, head covering and language? Your way is not the only way.

Love your God and your neighbour, these are the greatest of all commands. The son of god fulfilled these commands.

Let's be clear that god has the power to create new covenants. It is not for man to limit god. Also, let's be honest and acknowledge that the house of Israel has failed to abide by the laws handed down to them.

I see no problems with the concept of a living sacrifice. I see it is as an ongoing solution to an ongoing problem.
470  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 18, 2014, 12:09:40 AM



fail

please note that the 6 bar has a slightly thicker left side than the right where as the two thin lines are read as a blank

What number on the barcode is the most similar to the spacing lines?  It looks more like a 6 than any other number though.

Whatever is the case. No one can deny that it is now technologically feasible to satisfy revelations 13:17.  Where before we could use cash to avoid such a law, in a bitcoin protocol world, every single transaction can be tracked.

I suspect that control won't come from the protocol itself. The control will come from laws that implement scanners which require a private key plus ID proof (maybe fingerprint but eventually DNA). One reason for this could be to "prevent terrorism".

We are many years from that day but no one can deny that the technology exists today. Already I note that people are producing encrypted private keys using the grain of wood as the encoding mechanism. Soon it will be fingerprints then the next step is to use DNA.
471  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 17, 2014, 11:55:47 PM

(1) That should read "Ad Hominem", not "ad homonym".

(2) Although I consider most religious types to be batshit crazy, I did not call you any names; name calling being the basis for an AD HOMINEM claim, so you may put that one where the Sun doesn't shine, as it were.  Red Herring, maybe but certainly not "AD HOMINEM"!

Now, please allow me to digress and get full-bore AD HOMINEM on you so that you can see just how it is done!

I consider religious types to be superstitious, primitive in their thinking, possibly deranged to an astonishing degree and in need of therapy, medication or both.  Religious types have started more wars than anything but political types and there may be some doubt that politicians are ahead!

Religious typoes believe that "My god is better than your god!" so they advocate for killing non-believers in scroes, droves and millions!

Religious types tell us that their god is a "loving god", while their mouldy tomes tell us of the many, many occasions on which the so-called "loving god" has murdered by the gazillions.

In short, religious types represent the single greatest danger to the future of human kind and should be watched closely.

My $.02.

Wink
Yes. This is true. Religious types are guilty of many of those things you say. So how does one distinguish a religious person from a god fearing person?  The religious person attacks. The god fearing person is understanding. At the end, religion is a personal experience IMHO therefore there is no good in asserting the superiority of a personal faith.

You are also right about debates. I don't see how it is fruitful to have damaging debates over who is right because none of us truly know. We are all believers by faith. Who has actually seen god or heaven?

God is love but as mentioned before, god chooses those whom he loves and those whom he wishes to destroy. He is god and does as he wishes. Life is for him to give or takeaway. Even you yourself will choose what to accept and what you wish to discard.

God is infinite love but the law of sin and death still applies. If you wish to approach god, do so humbly with an attitude of reverence. God loves a humble spirit and he will knock down those who are arrogant by allowing them to become more arrogant and satisfied in their own thinking. He will cause them to be blind, so that their own actions condemn themselves. I pray to escape such a fate myself.
472  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 17, 2014, 11:27:49 PM

Hitler, Goebbels and Goring were willing to die for Nazism.

By your logic " It should prove that there is more to it though and at least be respected if you don't want to believe it."

It will be a great day for the world when humanity, if ever, realises that there is no need for made-up gods and superstition.

My $.02.

Wink

If there is no belief in an afterlife, then it is only logical to maximise the utility of this life. As the world we currently live in is finite, there will surely be insufficient resources. How will that be a great day for your descendants or for humanity?
Forgive my ignorance on how the other two names you mentioned may have been willing but I would like to correct you at least about Hitler and his being a coward who was NOT willing to die for his "belief" of nazism. You are intentionally deceiving people now, but I will keep giving you the truth over your lies. Hitler was a jew and a coward. By his own account he should have committed suicide the second he accepted nazism as by his own definition he was jewish. Contradiction 1. Secondly in regards to willing to die... lol I'm pretty sure only one of two events happened. Upon him losing the war he committed suicide like a little coward aka not willing to be tried publicly and die for what he believes in unlike believers of YHWH. Option 2 it was a double who he shot in the head while he escaped to look like a suicide EITHER WAY he was a coward and was NOT willing to die for what he believed in. Committing suicide as an escape to NOT be scrutinized for what you believe DOES NOT constitute Hitler was willing to die for what he believed.

It will be a great day for humanity when the world, which it will, will have to bow down and every tongue confess that there is YHWH, that he is love, and that he has loved us.

Please like I said before you and Obama can keep your "change" keep your $.02

The way that god demonstrates his love is through his people. By flaming (intentionally or otherwise) them you could be doing the opposite of god's intention. Let's be understanding and tolerant, even as god was forgiving of our sins.  In Jude, the archangel refused to condemn satan himself. The most that Michael would say is "may The Lord rebuke you." Therefore, let's be careful in calling anyone a coward, whether it is the truth or not. It is not our place to judge as humans on this planet.
473  Economy / Economics / Re: Inflation and Deflation of Price and Money Supply on: January 17, 2014, 10:17:46 AM
Velocity crashing due to QE. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-21/qes-gross-misallocation-capital

So the fed pumps money in, expecting velocity to stay constant, but it doesn't. Fisher was wrong. There at times when even near zero rates will not cause credit growth to increase.

So what do they do? Force feed credit gavage style to students, automobile loans, corporate debt to fund buy backs, REO to buy property, property refinancings, margin debt and of course government debt.

Sure they are going to succeed for awhile. Then it's going to blow up in their faces all over again.

Agree on this point. I'm expecting a deflationary collapse sometime within the next 2-3 years but I don't think that the crash will come from the US but rather from Japan and we'll see investors rush to the dollar and possibly gold and bitcoins too.
Japan or China or Europe. China is experiencing issues in their shadow financing sector. One of the investment trusts sold via ICBC (world's largest bank) has lost money to a coal company. Payment deadline to investors is end of jan. Many more trust products in the sidelines just waiting to blow up.

Europe hangs on by a thread. Greece government run by ex Goldman partner has a majority by a margin of three out of three hundred seats. We'll see how long things continue before Merkel is forced to reveal to Germany that their loans to Greece are not actually safe. Also, the whole area is falling into deflation, which is the correction they need. But of course crushing debt levels make this option unpalatable.
474  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 17, 2014, 09:52:23 AM

Well, I guess I shouldn't underestimate what governments can do.  Cyanide seems crazy but can you imagine if they did something like that?  Talk about scary.  What if the computer system got hacked then?  Peoples lives (to clarify- whoever allows a chip to be implanted) more than just their credit, would be in danger.  I would think this would cause an uproar and people would figure it out, but I guess people don't always think for themselves.

I was not saying that you read end times books.  I was just commenting that many people do, myself included, and I find myself having to "cleanse" my mind in a way of the stuff that is added to the Bible.  The only thing that matters is what is in there.  The rest is just fantasy, or the "fairy tales" that have already been brought up here. Wink

It is fun chatting with you Cobragt427.
In the future it is likely that all computer systems will be decentralised. It will be run by a protocol, which people will trust. It would be probably impossible to hack such a system but a government may force all transactions to be verified with a private key linked to DNA. There will be privacy protocols but all transactions will require such a mark.
475  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 17, 2014, 09:44:08 AM
I am glad YHWH has given you eyes that see. The mark is the point of no return. RFID chips have been proven to have cyanide attached to it to kill the "slave" who is disobedient. They emit Radio Frequencies that cause cancer and death. The boils talked about in Revelation BTW. RFID chips also have been shown as a way to control the body and mind and cause the host to commit murder etc. This is just like the movie matrix even when anyone can be a threat at any time / be controlled by an "agent" etc. these agents are demonic being using technology as control etc. I am versed enough in biblical knowledge and know what the world is up to. It's not hard to see through the false veils created by the enemy.

Here is the "plan". BTC comes out is worth next to nothing. It is nothing and only has value based on perception. Silk road gets jacked of who knows how much BTC and shut down. Feds are now in huge supply of BTC market. China is buying like crazy and they hate the constitution/ etc. Those who have BTC will continue to get huge ROI and all appears to be fine and dandy. Another false flag terrorist event somehow connecting BTC then causes a forced regulation by the EU (1 world government) in which the only way to now access your account is take the RFID chip. Money fiat fails and is worthless and you are given a choice. Take the chip and access riches beyond measure, or don't take it and don't access your wallet * aka you can't buy sell or trade(at least not permitted to). 9/10 wouldn't even think twice about taking it.

ad homonym anyone? I know you "intellects" know what that means as I see it's what you have been doing.
BTW meelvanchris his name is not "john" it's Yochanon and you literally did an ad homonym. Why are you attacking the name john and ignoring the truth? Oh it's because you believe a lie.

This is interesting. I would add that in future, your private key will most likely be linked to your DNA. To enable a spend, both will be required.
476  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 17, 2014, 09:38:44 AM

Hitler, Goebbels and Goring were willing to die for Nazism.

By your logic " It should prove that there is more to it though and at least be respected if you don't want to believe it."

It will be a great day for the world when humanity, if ever, realises that there is no need for made-up gods and superstition.

My $.02.

Wink

If there is no belief in an afterlife, then it is only logical to maximise the utility of this life. As the world we currently live in is finite, there will surely be insufficient resources. How will that be a great day for your descendants or for humanity?
477  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 17, 2014, 09:31:37 AM

You evidently have not read the book you follow!

Allow me to acquaint you with a few of the less well-known verses of that mouldy old tome:

"Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

"Death for Adultery

    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)"

"Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)"

"Kill Sons of Sinners

    Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.  (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)"

You were saying...............HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??

Just aksing.

My $.02.

Wink

I know things are serious when someone turns to Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Let's be honest, God was vengeful and strict. These laws applied to the house of Israel via Abraham's covenant. There was no compromise. Any sin required atonement via a living sacrifice, for the wages of sin is death.

In fact these laws still apply today. So, how can one comply? Well the result is always failure. Therefore, we live under grace of a living sacrifice to atone for our sins. God sent his only begotten Son as a living sacrifice to fulfil the requirements of the law.

As I said, God chooses who he loves and who he destroys. It is his prerogative. You would do the same for anyone living under your house. The universe is governed. There is order. However, there is also compassion and grace for those who wish to escape the law of sin and death.
478  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast? on: January 17, 2014, 09:22:13 AM

I did tell him, he went to the bar and now attends 12-step meetings.

Wink

Well, he did die for the world, and they did reject him. You'd be sad too.
479  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] CasinoBitco.in CBTC Official Thread- ACQUISITION NEWS & OFFERING! on: January 16, 2014, 10:22:03 PM
Numbers look good.  Grin

Is there anyway we or havelock can verify these numbers? Eg blockchain address? Or other methodology? Thanks.
480  Economy / Economics / Re: Inflation and Deflation of Price and Money Supply on: January 16, 2014, 12:03:53 PM

Curious about your "1965 velocity level" point. Haven't heard that. I guess that seems plausible, but I would like to see the data on that. I mean, velocity, as I'm sure you know, isn't really possible to capture (this is actually the beauty of bitcoin, it can be captured there).... velocity is often thought to remain pretty stable. If it's being calculated from the equation via other variables, there's problems there too, since inflation, gdp and even MS are all calculated differently then they once were (in 65). Yet, it should also be pointed out, if your using the variables and the equation to calculate velocity, your clearly saying the equation matters.


Velocity crashing due to QE. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-21/qes-gross-misallocation-capital

So the fed pumps money in, expecting velocity to stay constant, but it doesn't. Fisher was wrong. There at times when even near zero rates will not cause credit growth to increase.

So what do they do? Force feed credit gavage style to students, automobile loans, corporate debt to fund buy backs, REO to buy property, property refinancings, margin debt and of course government debt.

Sure they are going to succeed for awhile. Then it's going to blow up in their faces all over again.
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