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Then, for shits and giggles, I went across the street to check out business at the McDonald's. I counted 5 employees, 18 patrons, and one car in the drive-thru. The one guy at the register was twiddling his thumbs because he had no one to serve.
Their building was over half the size of In-n-Out's.
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Walmart is succesful because they are cheap. And while their supply system contributes to that the main reason is that they pay very low wages. So low that many of their employees are on food stamps. Effectively they get cheap government subsidized workers That's another side of entitlement mentality.
Nah, that's the popular media reason for it. They are cheap first and foremost because of their supply system (their warehouses are fully automated, working like network hubs, routing packages from truck bay to truck bay, with trucks working like network cables to deliver the packages over roads). Low wages is a minor part of it, and other more expensive stores, including Target, as just as guilty of it. But, of course, if all you've done is go to he store and shop there, you would conclude that it's just the wages. Never concluded any such thing, did I now? What I did was make conclusions about fast food. Based on the same "I bought burgers from there, so I know" reasoning  I went to In-n-Out yesterday at 2:20 PM, after the lunch hour rush. I made it a point to count some things. What I saw was a very successful business kicking ass over McDonald's. I was there for 25 minutes. Here's what I saw: 1. They were calling order #45 when I walked in. When I walked out they were calling order #15, wrapping around from 100. That's 70 orders, each on average representing a party of two, totaling 140 meals in 25 minutes. 2. 17 employees. 3 to 4 working the registers. 1 to 2 cleaning tables and tending the beverage bar. The rest in the kitchen. 3. I counted 84 patrons, either seated at tables, in a line to order, or waiting for their order to go. 4. I ordered a combo meal for $5.20. I got a soda, a large carton of delicious fries that were in full unpeeled never frozen potato form only fifteen minutes prior, and a cheeseburger with lettuce hand leafed only minutes prior, and fresh onions and tomatoes. It's far more delicious than anything McDonald's offers, and actually fresh, and frankly, cheaper than an equivalent McDonald's meal. Let's summarize: After the lunch time rush when things slow down, we had 17 employees, 84 patrons, and in 25 minutes, 140 fresh and delicious meals served, at a price which beats McDonald's. Frankly, you look like an idiot championing McDonald's. |
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Weed:
NONE. There is no known dose of marijuana that will kill a mammal. Marijuana is not poisonous.
Pretty much anything will kill in large quantities. Marijuana sure does stink though. It's an unpleasant acrid odor that is just, well stinky and unpleasant. Much happiness to you for wanting to stink up your environment with your stinky habit. |
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Walmart is succesful because they are cheap. And while their supply system contributes to that the main reason is that they pay very low wages. So low that many of their employees are on food stamps. Effectively they get cheap government subsidized workers That's another side of entitlement mentality.
Nah, that's the popular media reason for it. They are cheap first and foremost because of their supply system (their warehouses are fully automated, working like network hubs, routing packages from truck bay to truck bay, with trucks working like network cables to deliver the packages over roads). Low wages is a minor part of it, and other more expensive stores, including Target, as just as guilty of it. But, of course, if all you've done is go to he store and shop there, you would conclude that it's just the wages. Never concluded any such thing, did I now? What I did was make conclusions about fast food. And honestly, Walmart is really no cheaper than Target. I have comparison shopped many items and never really saw a price difference greater than a couple cents one way or another. Now, please don't take my statement about Target prices to mean that I implied you said anything about Target prices. |
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Everything that needs to be known is plain as day:
1. Polls show people like In-n-Out better.
2. Their food is fresher (actually fresh).
3. Their prices are competitive, even better.
4. Their service is great.
5. Their wages are publicized.
6. They're busy as hell. Go to one.
7. They're doing very well.
So the only thing that's left to be known is, why is McDonald's all over the world, making hundreds of millions of dollars, and In-n-Out is an obscure thing in a few states, making a fraction of that? You know, the most important question of all.Why is that the most important question of all? Perhaps a more important question: how does In-n-Out always win the hamburger polls with ease vs. McDonald's, manage to pay their employees significantly more, and yet charge no more, sometimes less, for an equivalently sized meal? |
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I have worked at neither. I have patronized both, obviously.
Ah, so you claim to know the business structure of both companies just because you have bought their products? Hard to believe, considering you have shown time and again that you don't really understand or think things through when it comes to business. Everything that needs to be known is plain as day: 1. Polls show people like In-n-Out better. 2. Their food is fresher (actually fresh). 3. Their prices are competitive, even better. 4. Their service is great. 5. Their wages are publicized. 6. They're busy as hell. Go to one. 7. They're doing very well. I didn't say google it. You claimed to understand what McDonalds and In-n-Out businesses do just because you shopped there. I'm sure you shopped at WalMart once before, too. So it should have been pretty obvious to you, based on your shopping experience, that the only reason WalMart is so successful is because WalMart invented a completely new, computerized, and automated supply chain system the likes of which the world has never seen before, and still can't duplicate.
So? I prefer Target, as do lots of other people. Ok, listen up, you dumbass. You just listed 7 things that are "everything that needs to be known." Not a single fucking one of them has ANYTHING to do with the attitudes of striking workers, the topic of the OP. You're the type of person that makes me want to sacrifice good karma just so I can have fun being a dick to you, and also the type of person that makes me want to report you to a moderator like a child tattling to a grown-up. I wasn't responding to you, nor your original post. Why do you keep going on about the importance of your original post? |
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I have worked at neither. I have patronized both, obviously.
Ah, so you claim to know the business structure of both companies just because you have bought their products? Hard to believe, considering you have shown time and again that you don't really understand or think things through when it comes to business. Everything that needs to be known is plain as day: 1. Polls show people like In-n-Out better. 2. Their food is fresher (actually fresh). 3. Their prices are competitive, even better. 4. Their service is great. 5. Their wages are publicized. 6. They're busy as hell. Go to one. 7. They're doing very well. I didn't say google it. You claimed to understand what McDonalds and In-n-Out businesses do just because you shopped there. I'm sure you shopped at WalMart once before, too. So it should have been pretty obvious to you, based on your shopping experience, that the only reason WalMart is so successful is because WalMart invented a completely new, computerized, and automated supply chain system the likes of which the world has never seen before, and still can't duplicate.
So? I prefer Target, as do lots of other people. |
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Really? Wait, do you mean just in front of the counter? Or behind the counter and at their business office? did before?)
As I said, I have both perspectives. You don't. Should I take that as your admission that you have worked in fast food at both McDonald's and In-n-Out burger? Or are you saying "both" as in a perspective of "both" restaurants just from your experience shopping there? I have worked at neither. I have patronized both, obviously. And if latter, can you tell why is Walmart has such an enormous competitive advantage over every other store, just from your experience shopping there?
I'm not really interested in googling Walmart. Anyway, I prefer Target - it's a much cleaner and nicer shopping experience. |
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I've been in McDonald's many times - no doubt hundreds and hundreds of times. Same with In-n-Out. Experiencing both gives one both perspective. I have both perspectives. You don't.
Really? Wait, do you mean just in front of the counter? Or behind the counter and at their business office? If the former, that's an incredible skill. I, for instance, would never be able to figure out a company's business structure just by shopping in their stores. (One way to test your skill: Why is Walmart kicking everyone else's butt? What does it do that no one else did before?) As I said, I have both perspectives. You don't. |
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Rassah,
Sounds like you really know your stuff about McDonald's. No doubt with their excellent business model and progressive menu, it shouldn't be an issue for them to change their starting pay to well above minimum wage like In-n-Out. At least we both now know that their menu prices won't undergo a rise in price if ever they had to pay their employees more. Kudos to you for pointing this out and rendering the joint's opinion even more suspect, as he was claiming fast food businesses just wouldn't be able to afford it.
I worked at McDonald's Corp for a while, and had the chance to see visit their central office and see how they operate from the inside. And how the hell do you come to that conclusion after numerous questions from myself and others of "Why should McDonald's deny someone a job if they need it more and are willing to charge less for their labor?" How does In-n-Out determine whom to give a job to? I can't imagine burger flipping has a lot of qualifications. I've been in McDonald's many times - no doubt hundreds and hundreds of times. Same with In-n-Out. Experiencing both gives one both perspective. I have both perspectives. You don't. Hundreds?  Seems like we have a hypocrite over here. Tell me, did you start hating McDonald's burgers the 100th time you went? Or was it the 101st that really pushed you over the edge? You think hundreds is a lot in a lifetime? Maybe I also have the perspective of living longer than you. You might want to get evaluated for dementia, old timer. You're the one with the lapse of memory, first stating In-n-Out is tasty earlier in the thread, and then claiming that you like a McDonald's dry and pasty cheeseburger over the In-n-Out cheeseburger. By the way, how many other people had to suffer through that sob story of a PM you sent me? |
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Rassah,
Sounds like you really know your stuff about McDonald's. No doubt with their excellent business model and progressive menu, it shouldn't be an issue for them to change their starting pay to well above minimum wage like In-n-Out. At least we both now know that their menu prices won't undergo a rise in price if ever they had to pay their employees more. Kudos to you for pointing this out and rendering the joint's opinion even more suspect, as he was claiming fast food businesses just wouldn't be able to afford it.
I worked at McDonald's Corp for a while, and had the chance to see visit their central office and see how they operate from the inside. And how the hell do you come to that conclusion after numerous questions from myself and others of "Why should McDonald's deny someone a job if they need it more and are willing to charge less for their labor?" How does In-n-Out determine whom to give a job to? I can't imagine burger flipping has a lot of qualifications. I've been in McDonald's many times - no doubt hundreds and hundreds of times. Same with In-n-Out. Experiencing both gives one both perspective. I have both perspectives. You don't. I've eaten at both having lived in both Cali and the Midwest. Unfortunately for you, Rassah and myself have experience with reading comprehension, which gives us perspective that you lack. We understand what you're saying and so we know your arguments not only suck, but they're in no way relevant to the OP. You don't understand what we're saying, so you make up your own issue and push it relentlessly so it will appear as though you're not a fucking imbecile. Maybe if you try harder it'll work! How many times are you going to bring up your OP? I don't really give a fuck about your OP, did you know that? I don't really give a fuck if my posts are off topic to your OP, did you know that? I don't give a rat's ass if my posts are relevant to our OP. Your OP is a whining sob story and brag fest about how wonderful you think you are. I'm absolutely tired of you and you continuing to complain about posts here aren't relevant to your OP. Most everyone doesn't give a fuck about your OP. Not only did you whine in your first post, now you whine incessantly about how people aren't giving your OP intense focus. |
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Rassah,
Sounds like you really know your stuff about McDonald's. No doubt with their excellent business model and progressive menu, it shouldn't be an issue for them to change their starting pay to well above minimum wage like In-n-Out. At least we both now know that their menu prices won't undergo a rise in price if ever they had to pay their employees more. Kudos to you for pointing this out and rendering the joint's opinion even more suspect, as he was claiming fast food businesses just wouldn't be able to afford it.
I worked at McDonald's Corp for a while, and had the chance to see visit their central office and see how they operate from the inside. And how the hell do you come to that conclusion after numerous questions from myself and others of "Why should McDonald's deny someone a job if they need it more and are willing to charge less for their labor?" How does In-n-Out determine whom to give a job to? I can't imagine burger flipping has a lot of qualifications. I've been in McDonald's many times - no doubt hundreds and hundreds of times. Same with In-n-Out. Experiencing both gives one both perspective. I have both perspectives. You don't. Hundreds? Seems like we have a hypocrite over here. Tell me, did you start hating McDonald's burgers the 100th time you went? Or was it the 101st that really pushed you over the edge? You think hundreds is a lot in a lifetime? Maybe I also have the perspective of living longer than you. |
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Rassah,
Sounds like you really know your stuff about McDonald's. No doubt with their excellent business model and progressive menu, it shouldn't be an issue for them to change their starting pay to well above minimum wage like In-n-Out. At least we both now know that their menu prices won't undergo a rise in price if ever they had to pay their employees more. Kudos to you for pointing this out and rendering the joint's opinion even more suspect, as he was claiming fast food businesses just wouldn't be able to afford it.
I worked at McDonald's Corp for a while, and had the chance to see visit their central office and see how they operate from the inside. And how the hell do you come to that conclusion after numerous questions from myself and others of "Why should McDonald's deny someone a job if they need it more and are willing to charge less for their labor?" How does In-n-Out determine whom to give a job to? I can't imagine burger flipping has a lot of qualifications. I've been in McDonald's many times - no doubt hundreds and hundreds of times. Same with In-n-Out. Experiencing both gives one both perspective. I have both perspectives. You don't. |
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Rassah,
Sounds like you really know your stuff about McDonald's. No doubt with their excellent business model and progressive menu, it shouldn't be an issue for them to change their starting pay to well above minimum wage like In-n-Out. At least we both now know that their menu prices won't undergo a rise in price if ever they had to pay their employees more. Kudos to you for pointing this out and rendering the joint's opinion even more suspect, as he was claiming fast food businesses just wouldn't be able to afford it.
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Business culture, company culture, as in, "We don't bake our buns on site, we put our burgers under heat lamps, we don't think it's important to train our employees how to mop the floors, we don't think fresh unfrozen ingredients are important, we do franchises, etc."
And that's nice and all, but entirely irrelevant to the OP. I'm sure the strikers are demanding to be taught how to mop properly, and are just aching for fresh, unfrozen ingredients. It's entirely relevant to your last post. |
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Business culture, company culture, as in, "We don't bake our buns on site, we put our burgers under heat lamps, we don't think it's important to train our employees how to mop the floors, we don't think fresh unfrozen ingredients are important, we do franchises, etc."
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It's a culture thing. McDonald's just can't visualize anything that isn't McDonald's like.
Also completely false. McDonald's has changed many times over the years, and experiments with new restaurants and culture constantly. You heard of Roy Rogers restaurants? Those are McDonald's owned. How about Chipotle, which started the awesome high quality burrito trend that was also copied by BajaFresh? Guess who you have to thank for Chipotles? Yep, McDonald'a. Ummm, no. I've seen McDonald's way of cooking and menu for over forty years. Not many changes there. Doesn't McDonald's serve stuff like fried insects in some Asian countries? I'm pretty sure they feature culture-specific food at many international locations. Culture, as in this case, doesn't refer to the community, but the way of thinking by the business. |
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It's a culture thing. McDonald's just can't visualize anything that isn't McDonald's like.
Also completely false. McDonald's has changed many times over the years, and experiments with new restaurants and culture constantly. You heard of Roy Rogers restaurants? Those are McDonald's owned. How about Chipotle, which started the awesome high quality burrito trend that was also copied by BajaFresh? Guess who you have to thank for Chipotles? Yep, McDonald'a. Ummm, no. I've seen McDonald's way of cooking and menu for over forty years. Not many changes there. |
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Because In-n-Out focuses on profitability, excellent food, and excellent service, within a framework that pays reasonable wages. Maybe if McDonalds focused on being profitable while paying better wages and offering better food, they too would have a more sophisticated and thoughtful expansion plan.
You're not claiming that In-n-Out profits > McDonald's profits, are you? Per store, definitely. Regarding trying recipes: they're clueless.
Why do you say that? McDonald's has their own university devoted to researching and creating new recipes (among other things), and hires top chefs to create and test foods in their experimental restaurants around the country. What does In-n-Out do that's not "clueless" that McDonald's doesn't? Do you have a memory problem? http://consumerist.com/2011/06/30/science-confirms-in-n-out-burger-is-the-best-and-mcdonalds-the-worst/http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/07/02/in-n-out-v-mcdonalds-which-burger-chain-has-been-deemed-superior/http://voices.yahoo.com/in-n-out-vs-mcdonalds-337393.htmlhttp://blogs.wsj.com/independentstreet/2009/01/28/in-n-out-burger-vs-mcdonalds-guess-who-won/Regarding locations: ask yourself why In-n-Out's very crowded restaurants do not drive away customers.
The same reason some restaurants can have waiting times of 15 minutes before they get seated: people are willing to wait for something special. In-n-Out essentially has a monopoly on In-n-Out burgers, but are getting screwed on fast food competition in general. They're not getting screwed at all. How funny. Also, as I've said, they're employing more employees per store, so it's not as if In-n-Out is employing less employees per region.
How many McDonalds restaurants are in your city and state compared to In-n-Out restaurants? If there are twice as many, In-n-Out better be employing twice as many people outer store. I suspect it's 10 times as many stores though. At least. I just googled three cities: the ratios are 3:1 and 3:2 and 3:2. An average of 9:5 then? |
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Here's the question you might want to ask yourself:
If the minimum wage rose $3.00 or $4.00, how would it affect the profitability of McDonald's vs. In-n-Out? Is McDonald's able to survive a minimum wage increase? Is their business model that fragile?
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