care factor, you simply do not understand how information flows, that's sad for you.
However, I do understand the rules which you broke a few times. And posts that break rules get deleted. And that post was on topic regarding FrozenBit - what is it about FrozenBit specifically that scares you guys? Should Frozen Bit move into selling novelty night-lights? I don't care about that service but discussion of such service in a coin thread breaks the rules: |
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care factor, you simply do not understand how information flows, that's sad for you.
However, I do understand the rules which you broke a few times. And posts that break rules get deleted. |
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Mod note: Moved to Meta. Discussion of services is considered off-topic + possible "ad spam" ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=718124.0). Also, no, we're not preparing to ban you for just one offence, although I have deleted your trollish posts a few times if I'm not mistaken. |
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Moderators don't have time to be investigators.
Then lets get more moderators. Clearly you are incapable of doing the job alone. Thanks. Synonym for moderator - investigator. How can you address a problem, situation [moderate] if you don't investigate aka have any idea of whats going on. Moderators moderate spam, they don't dig for evidence through the whole internet to check if a person's not lying. The forum policy is free speech - whether you lie or tell the truth, scam or not, is not our concern. We have algorithms that can remove spam... So what your saying is there is absolutely no need for moderators? Because free speech limits them from being able to hinder negative feedback loops? You contradict yourself in saying - whether you lie... is not our concern; when previously you stated "Obviously false whatever" is what you moderate. How can you tell what is obviously false if you dont dig for evidence. There is a difference between "lying" and "obviously false nonsense". One is indistinguishable or requires quite a bit of time to investigate it, while the other can be noticed from first glance. You've taken out the "obviously false" phrase out of context. If you find it hard to see the difference between the two, is again, not my problem. whether you admit to it or not, you are inefficiently serving the moderator role: whether it be lack of time on your part, or an inability to discern "obviously false information"
Clearly the alternate cryptocurrency forum is large enough to need more than one moderator. Many of the forums have three.
I was asigned here to clean up trash, not dig through a hay pile to find a needle. If you feel someone is posting false information, use the "Ignore" feature or counter his posts. Also if the dev has a self moderated thread, he can "ban" (ask him to leave) users from posting in it. If he keeps doing posting in the self moderated thread, PM theymos or BadBear to have him banned. Also, all global mods and admins can delete posts forum-wide including here, and patroller mods can delete newbie posts forum-wide as well. Also, what are the contingencies under which something is obviously false; therefore i may better understand the role of the moderators.
-enlighten me, please
Posting about a coin adressing it with a different, unrelates name name (constantly, post after post, calling xcoin by the name of yyycoin for no reason), talking about a completely different algo (PoW, instead of PoS, for example constantly posting something along the lines "Why didn't you stop the PoW phase?" when the coin is pure PoS and always was). After receiving a lot of PMs about this subject, seeing a lot of reports of this kind and after one of the global mods PMed me with suggestions regarding this topic, I thought that I should cover it:
Possible (or real, not for me to judge) FUD, accusations or statements are not moderated.
Moderators don't moderate for truth. However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. However, such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).
(Possible) slander and insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somehwere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.
Scams aren't moderated either due to the fact that's it's extremely hard to make an unbiased decision on a limited amount of evidence and time. Moderators don't have time to be investigators
I've never seen slander so specifically addressed before. Is this your personal policy, or the policy of the forum? If the forum's policy, can you link me to a reference for it? If it's your policy, is your information available, or your lawyer's information? I'm aware of the forums free speech policy, so don't just use that a reference. Specifcally recognizing slander and saying it won't be removed is different from free speech, since slander is not covered under free speech laws. Did you get advice from a lawyer before posting this policy? Because you have probably opened yourself, and possibly the forum to legal liability depending on your answer to the first question. Slander and insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somehwere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.
Do you really mean slander? There could be legal implications, certainly there are slander (and libel for print and other media) laws here in UK, and I'm sure variations of the same in other countries. Completely agree (FWIW) that if a potentially contentious statement is made it must be backed up with evidence. Cheers, Ngaio As far as I understand most laws only have laws regarding the expression of slander as it can be censored as it isn't considered any kind of creative, scientific or otherwise constructive expression. Aside from that, all legal matters regarding slander fall on the person who expressed it, since it's his decision. Edited the post to change it to a bit more mild meaning. No, since this forum allows people to post anonymously via proxies such as tor, and it's impossible to track them down, it falls on the forum to moderate it. See the updated OP, it's said possible slander since we don't have the time to check facts nor the resources that allow access to some info. If the forum was to be asked to remove slander by the court descision or a police order, it would although that's not my concern. Also, it's forum policy, not mine. Can't provide a source and that's a thing I've been constantly reminding the staff of. Just for possible legal concerns, I've edited out that part. |
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I would like to request that you look into this incident from the beginning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752841.80page 5 for me [i have pages inverted, displaying the first post on the last page] ugethit's initial problem is lack of PoD. The thread was locked by the dev; and a new one was created: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=785507.0ugethit1 showed up again, to proclaim the dev has not delivered on something that is as definitive as 'estimated time of arrival' Ugethit's main account was banned for spreading malware - and is continuing his fud campaign on ugethit1 From what I've seen the information isn't baseless at first glance and is somewhat well worded and substantial enough to stay. The info that was easy to check seems correct (at least not misquoted) and he doesn't seem to be trolling. That's as far as I have to go and as far as most mods go. If you feel this case was treated unfair, contact one of the global moderators or admins. Regarding the malware ban, if you are sure he was banned for posting malware, send BadBear a message that you saw a person evading a ban. Moderation on this board is very heavily limited and that's just the way I like it, they'll happily get spammers and people who post off topic trash for you but don't expect them to police and especially censor every little thing you disagree with, there are plenty of other forums that do that.
It's amazing how much you have people ranting on about free speech in the world but when they actually get true free speech they hate it.
Exactly. Have you tried appreciating the fact that we have an Altcoin forum moderator now?
does he do anything? I delete around a hundred of spam posts, move around a dozen threads, handle 20-30 reports and handle around 7-10 PM questions/situations/inquiries a day. So yeah, you could say I'm active. Moderation on this board is heavily limited and that's just the way I like it, they'll happily get spammers and people who post off topic trash for you but don't expect them to police and especially censor every little thing you disagree with, there are plenty of other forums that do that.
It's amazing how much you have people ranting on about free speech in the world but when they actually get true free speech they hate it.
I think my favorite complaint of all time was someone who refused to ignore others because it was "censorship" or "restricting their free speech" somehow, yet wanted them banned.  Not surprising for me anymore. Hilarious nevertheless.  |
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Moderators don't have time to be investigators.
Then lets get more moderators. Clearly you are incapable of doing the job alone. Thanks. Synonym for moderator - investigator. How can you address a problem, situation [moderate] if you don't investigate aka have any idea of whats going on. Moderators moderate spam, they don't dig for evidence through the whole internet to check if a person's not lying. The forum policy is free speech - whether you lie or tell the truth, scam or not, is not our concern. |
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He banned me last week for posting about Maieuticoin
Nope, I asked BadBear to do it, which he did. I redirect to it because your situation is identical to dozens of others I handle everyday. It's forum policy - we do not moderate scams, FUD or accusations as long as they don't break other rules (spam, obvious trolling, etc.). Regarding moderators, in fact, we do. Admins, global mods can fully moderate the alt section as well. Patrollers can moderate newbie posts in every section thus in the Alt. coin sections as well. |
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