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4701  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 19, 2015, 02:47:29 PM
I am sorry but I think you are mistaken, it is not racism being the reason why bank transfers are high. Don't think africa as a black country, africa is pretty big bro. The very reason why transaction costs are high is because the country itself charges that amount from its people, it then treats this transaction fees as a tax and uses the money they receive for whatever they do. The govt does that because they need more money as tax, not because they black Tongue

It is still a discrimination, black-on-black is also a discrimination, not necessarly a racist one ,but some other sort.

The point I was trying to make is that bitcoin doesn't discriminate you in any shape or form: no racial,no sexual, no religious, certainly no political, and no other type of discrimination is here, so it's the ultimate form of financial liberty in my opinion.

After all discrimination is a pretty big issue nowadays, yet nobody realizes that their own currency is their biggest enemy.

setting the drama apart, I think people don't want change, and they're rather scared of it. On the other hand, people who buy btc only buy it to make a good profit, very few want to nurture btc and help it grow to the potential beast it can be. The community needs to be stronger and people need to believe what they say, not just write because they are part of a sig camp Tongue

Well i`m here to feed the beast Cheesy

But joke aside, profit is relative, some people want a quick 1% profit, some want a 100000000% profit, and since the latter takes longer time, they will hold it, and nurture it in the process,

I dont think that if BTC reaches 10,000$ everybody will just dump it. It's more likely that if it reaches 10,000$, people will be proven that this coin will be here to stay, and people will hoard it even faster than before, especially wallstreet whales will get very interested.

So with this fueling it can reach 1,000,000$ easily of course only time will tell, but I feel that after next year's halving we will see serious movements in the price.
4702  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 19, 2015, 02:37:22 PM
I am sorry but I think you are mistaken, it is not racism being the reason why bank transfers are high. Don't think africa as a black country, africa is pretty big bro. The very reason why transaction costs are high is because the country itself charges that amount from its people, it then treats this transaction fees as a tax and uses the money they receive for whatever they do. The govt does that because they need more money as tax, not because they black Tongue

It is still a discrimination, black-on-black is also a discrimination, not necessarly a racist one ,but some other sort.

The point I was trying to make is that bitcoin doesn't discriminate you in any shape or form: no racial,no sexual, no religious, certainly no political, and no other type of discrimination is here, so it's the ultimate form of financial liberty in my opinion.

After all discrimination is a pretty big issue nowadays, yet nobody realizes that their own currency is their biggest enemy.
4703  Other / Off-topic / Re: Which celebrity life do YOU want to live? on: August 19, 2015, 02:34:28 PM
Some young rock band rock star life would be nice.

Tons of money, lots of girls, fame and recognition, what else does a person want?
4704  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 19, 2015, 01:45:50 PM

yes, bitcoin aims to provide a platform where everybody from rich to poor people from diverse countries pay fixed amount of fees (or slightly different) when transacting bitcoins, people who are benefiting from the bank rates should consider them lucky and make choices which benefit them, but I noticed a lot of people are unhappy with financial institutions, its better to be your own bank Smiley

Yep, fiat money is the ultimate form of discrimination, even though our great leaders are trying to eliminate discrimination, they somehow forget about fiat money always.

Like how racially discriminative is for black people if they are discriminated when they send transactions from africa to other countries, you pay ultra high fees and you get triple checked (racial profiling?) in your transaction.

The same with gold, i bet the same discrimination goes on when they try to move out gold from african countries.


Bitcoin is the ultimate form of liberty, no discrimination is happening here, everyone is treated equally, and everyone has the same equal chance at getting rich here.
4705  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: August 19, 2015, 01:36:10 PM

Just remember the central bank aka federal reserve is a private bank.

Its a bank that has share holders for only with banks, and that itself is crazy. So when we pay our taxes we are only paying back the banks in a different form which then goes to the actual private banks.

Yes it is a private bank, many other countries have private central banks. So what? Stupid monkeys on the street get upset that their central bank is private?

Is that the real issue here? Some butthurt nationalists complaining?


Let me tell you the real problem. The real problem is that there exist a central bank in the first place. It doesnt matter if its public or private, the mere fact that there is an entity that controls the money supply and financial system is outrageous, because it gives it unlimited power over the citizens.

Power corrupts, and unlimited power corrupts in unlimited ways!

So the mere concept of central bank, centralization, central planninng, is a communist doctrine, and doesn't fit a civilized capitalist society.
4706  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 19, 2015, 02:21:02 AM

They are free for me. Whether the bank pays the fee (to themselves?), or whoever else, I massively don't care. But to send a Bitcoin in most cases it is me who has to pay the fee (though at Coinbase, for example, they pay the fee)...

It is you who is mostly ignorant here

Wtf are you talking about, it is free for you but not for me.

You are ignorant to think that just because it is free for you it's free for anybody else.

I do pay a fucking +50% when I buy something with a card, so better stop bragging here about your "advantage" because there are many more of us who are paying alot into the greedy banker pocket.

Not to mention in africa they pay like 500$ for a 2000$ bank transfer, and even that is with high restrictions and slow processing speed.

It is based on luck, if you happen to be born in a good country then you get the benefits, if not then you get the crap, so don't force your luck and be happy that you have a somewhat tolerable banking system.
4707  Other / Off-topic / Re: Yard Sale TREASURE! Gold,Silver Thousands of Dollars! on: August 19, 2015, 01:36:19 AM
A few weeks ago my wife and i Went hunting tag/yard sales...We came across a Tag sale out in "No Mans Land"  where few travel. When we went into the sale area i could clearly see the person had Generations of old stuff.  This was the Tag sale dreams are made of.

Item after item i looked and dug through every box every drawer....everything! I came across a table with Costume Jewelry and started looking. I noticed Sterling pieces and started handing them to my wife as i sorted through.....I spent nearly 30 minutes of sorting through the Thousands of pieces the Host had and finally asked how much for it all?  The host said $20?? with hesitation..I said I'll give you $30 the host smiled and agreed as i paid them.  I asked a few questions i always ask at a tag sale...

Do you have any coins or sports cards?  How about Pocket watches?

The host did say yes...I have this box.  the host brought the box out and i noticed Foreign coins and currency in boxes,envelopes,tins,loose etc.  I'm a coin collector and said i'm interested without even looking in thoroughly through the box...I ask how much?   She said $30  I agreed paid the host and said thank you as i loaded my car.

When we got home i started looking at the large box of coins and picked through it...Barely digging into it i seen a few small envelopes with some writing and pricing on it. I emtied the envelope into my hand and a single coin came out. 

Gold! 1911 $10 Gold indian! Holy shit!  I showed my wife and first question from her is...Is it real?  The coin was heavy for it's size and i know coins...This was the real deal!

I put the coin back into the envelope and grabbed another...GOLD! 1929 $2.50!!!
Grabbed another!  GOLD!!!!!   1853 $2.50 Gold Coronet!!!!
Grabbed another GOLD!!!!!    1881 $5.00 Coronet!!!!!!!!!!!!
Started digging into the Box  Silver!!!!  Coin after coins! an entire box!
Kept digging Dollar Bills...Pennies,Nickels,Quarters!!
This was my greatest treasure ever found! All the coins are authentic all real!!!
Here are just a few pictures to drool about  Cool



Lol wtf you scammed that poor bastard out. I bet that idiot didnt even knew the fair price of what he sold.

You got there like 4,000$ worth of gold which you paid 60$, it's either the best deal ever or a nice gold scam Cheesy
4708  Other / Off-topic / Re: Which celebrity life do YOU want to live? on: August 19, 2015, 01:31:02 AM
Bill Gates...but only for a day or long enough to transfer all his money and assets to me  Cool

Why not just buy bitcoin with it so that you can help us too Cheesy (joking)

But seriously I think Bill should buy some Bitcoin with his funds, instead of donating to african poor people, why not invest in bitcoin, so that he can help many more with bitcoin?
4709  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 18, 2015, 10:06:33 PM
Not even the banks unload your TX from their books to the other bank,because it still takes 2-3 days until it gets validated, plus sent to the financial regulators, etc.

So until then the bank pays the TX from his own money , and creates a credit between your locked money and his money.

All the verification, with large sums may be manual, just takes time, and the bank takes risks by doing that.

This is one of the reasons why bank transfer comissions are so big, but I dont care, I dont wanna pay because of their inability to make it more viable, so i still choose BTC

When I buy something on the Net (which you obviously shy from), apart from my payment (with a bank card) being instantaneous, I don't pay any fee or commission. In fact, I even get a small money-back (around 1%) from the card issuer (the bank). And I know that some banks are paying even higher money-backs (up to 5%)...

I guess you should care a lot more

No you just happen to live in a lucky country.

Since I pay fucking 7% comissions on every purchase +3€ + 25% VAT and other bullshit + if foreign then 2% customs tax

So I envy you, but to just say that card payments are free is a really ignorant statement, there are other countries out there too you know and some of them are just fucking greedy on this bullshit.

4710  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: August 18, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
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According to multiple, peer-reviewed studies, simply being in an open network instead of a closed one is the best predictor of career success.
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In fact, the study shows that half of the predicted difference in career success (i.e., promotion, compensation, industry recognition) is due to this one variable.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelsimmons/2015/01/15/this-is-the-1-predictor-of-career-success-according-to-network-science/

Thank you. So much for RealBitcon's IQ delusionary bullshit.

That article looks more like leftist propaganda, just do a basic google search about IQ correlation and business , I mean it's obvious, but looks like it's only me who understands basic logic, reason, and scientific method.

So just go live in your land of fairytales, propaganda and euphemisms, i`m out of this thread, looks like i cannot reason with people here, i`ll just stick to other topics, this one is too sensitive for readers as it seems.
4711  Economy / Services / Re: Best Poker and Bingo - Playtodos.com Signature Campaign on: August 18, 2015, 09:44:45 PM

Username: RealBitcoin
Member rank: Full Member
Post count: 881 (with this post 882)
BTC address: 1GYT3Lu8ojZH2XQNNMaFe1BxyW2LY2rhyG


Hello I would like to join I post on this forum every day quality posts, about 60 posts / biweekly so it qualifies your range, and I have many threads here running that are quality threads talking about important topics that many guys read and respond to, so I think I will be a good writer in this sig campaign, so please add me Smiley


Yes my address is correct, nice doing business with you Smiley
4712  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 18, 2015, 08:37:30 PM
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All my transactions are included in the first block to be found (with a default fee), so your point is wanton. I don't understand why you continue arguing with this. It is very well known that the time lapse between the blocks can be significant...

Personally, I've seen it nearing an hour a few times (being terribly frustrating)...

Well then there are lightning network solutions that will use an altchain to process minor TX instantly, while only big TX will go through bitcoin.

Not even the banks unload your TX from their books to the other bank,because it still takes 2-3 days until it gets validated, plus sent to the financial regulators, etc.

So until then the bank pays the TX from his own money , and creates a credit between your locked money and his money.

All the verification, with large sums may be manual, just takes time, and the bank takes risks by doing that.

This is one of the reasons why bank transfer comissions are so big, but I dont care, I dont wanna pay because of their inability to make it more viable, so i still choose BTC
4713  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 18, 2015, 08:04:45 PM
Sometimes... actually often times, I have to wait up to an hour to get my transaction confirmed, to get just one confirmation (when I need two or three)

Next time dont be greedy and put a fkin 0.0003 fee there and it might be faster then.

Next time don't be stupid. I talk about time intervals between block confirmations on the blockchain

Yes the fee is actually making your TX faster. If you need 6 confirm then if you would pay a 0.01BTC fee you`d get it confirmed in 10 mins because all miners would rush to confirm it.

Are you really so brain-dead? According to your logic, miners are not rushing to get 25 BTC for finding a block, and then, all of a sudden, they would rush to do exactly the same just to get a fee of 0.01 BTC?

No what I mean is that with higher TX fee your TX gets prioritized, if the miners near you have higher thresholds then they might now allow your TX while with higher fee almost all miners will confirm it.
4714  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Research] How and Where do you Spend your Bitcoins? [10,000 satoshi bounty] on: August 18, 2015, 08:02:28 PM
Alright anybody wants to do the survey? We still don't have enough samples to deduct the conclusion.

So new volunteers please!  Grin
4715  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do Newbies (or Anyone) Enjoy Paid Bitcoin Tasks? on: August 18, 2015, 07:00:44 PM
I used to be into PTC before I realized it couldn't really make you money.  A lot of effort put in with little or no rewards coming out.

There are risks in any business, PTC is no different.

Some PTC workers cash 70,000$ weekly, due to tons of referrals. You have to be first, and you have to be good.

But its possible.


I`m not sure about surveys & task sites though.
4716  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do Newbies (or Anyone) Enjoy Paid Bitcoin Tasks? on: August 18, 2015, 06:25:44 PM
As part of the research I'm undertaking for my soon-to-be launched faucet, I'd like to know:

Do you regularly visit PTC sites or task sites which pay out in Bitcoin?

Message me if you want some simple tasks to do!

Not really I had multiple task sites on my site, on one I had over 70 referrals and none of them did the surveys. Maybe 3 out of 70, and they did it once, and never even logged back in.

So that tells something about these task sites, sorry there bro, but no people are interested in that now.

I disagree. there are a lot of people active in doing surveys and stuff. you just have to find them. r/beermoney is a good place to start

Well I was advertising to fauceting community since my ad network has faucet owner publishers, so obviously my audience was faucet workers.

Which is strange, since if faucet workers are willing to work painful for 0.0001 BTC, but they are not willing to work for 0.001 (for survey sites), give me the conclusion that they must be really boring or hard to complete, so most people wont do it.
4717  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best way to earn Bitcoins? on: August 18, 2015, 03:07:05 PM
I use faucets when i have time to kill between my programmations or emails or forums answering or poker games...etc...etc...



Your a full member now Sir. Don't have an interest to join a signature campaign? Many users waiting for their account to became a minimum full member and even buying one but you are still not taking any signature campaign. Or maybe you have a secret bitcoin method that grows your BTC's. Cheesy

I don't know if take advantage of is best wording.   But yes signature campaign will be much better then faucets.    You get paid for doing something you would do anyways.

Just make sure to have good posts.  If they are crap posts then a ban will follow.

I though he already have his own faucet and i think he got some profit from there cmiiw
but actually signature campaign still best way to earn bitcoin

No its not, it's the 2nd best.

Best method is trading/investing. Especially in low cap altcoins on smaller exchanges, that can make 100000% ROI in few months.

There are tons of innovations in this field now!
Personally, Signature Campaigns and trading/investing altcoins are about the same rank, so in other words, equal first. Signature Campaigns may be slow to earn Bitcoins, but you cannot lose. On the other hand, trading/investing altcoins is able to make you a lot more money quickly, but is riskier, as you can lose all. In the end, with their pros and cons weighed up, are about the same.

Just a quick question, if you don't mind, what's your method in identifying an altcoin that is worth trading and investing in?

Yea well it can be complimentary.

Buy an altcoin, then while you wait for price to rise, you can post here on the forum, so you use your time most efficiently, and earn from 2 sources.
4718  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 18, 2015, 03:04:52 PM
Bitcoin is much easier to divide than gold is. Gold was also used as currency for thousands of years. Many countries and civilizations used gold coins as their currency. Bitcoin can be used just like gold was as a currency in the past.

its better to treat gold as an asset and respect what it is, use it in jewelry and to add a look of class and luxury to products. Treating it as a currency rather than an asset might be a really weird thing to do, it'd be like doing the same shit and going back in time. Time for digitization, speed and user friendly currency. Bitcoin exceeds my expectations regarding that Smiley

Fiat payment systems like Visa or Mastercard are truly instant, in the majority of cases. Decentralization comes at a cost. But then yes, gold is not for the masses...

Wtf are you talking about VISA and Mastercard needs 3 days to clear, and can still be charged back 30 days after. I`d say the TX duration is 30 days then, because until it is not finalized, it is not over.

Bitcoin takes 10 min, and with other crypto takes 1 min. Gold cant even be transacted unless via a centralized banking system or if some exchanges setup gold transfer functions (i think i saw on a report a guy who worked on a centralized gold payment system)

But still even if they do it, it will be the same as the current SWIFT, except with gold.

In the UK we have the "faster payments" systems, bank transfers and payments by card etc. only take a few seconds to clear.



Good for you, I don't enjoy these "enhanced" features, in fact until now I only had negative experiences with the monetary system.
Sometimes... actually often times, I have to wait up to an hour to get my transaction confirmed, to get just one confirmation (when I need two or three)

Next time dont be greedy and put a fkin 0.0003 fee there and it might be faster then.

Next time don't be stupid. I talk about time intervals between block confirmations on the blockchain

Yes the fee is actually making your TX faster. If you need 6 confirm then if you would pay a 0.01BTC fee you`d get it confirmed in 10 mins because all miners would rush to confirm it.

And its still cheaper than bank TX fee.

If not then tough luck, its soo bad to wait 1 hour, given the benefits bitcoin brings over cards that its very hard to resist the cards isn't it?
4719  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How earn 1BTC a year? on: August 18, 2015, 02:59:31 PM
You do realize guys that you can earn 1 BTC/day, and not /year.

There are many trading and investments that yield that much, not ponzi, but real altcoins and other type of good investments.

There are many opportunities in the crypto world, some with big ROI!!

You have to have some btcs to trade and invest. If you haven't you can not earn.

In this way I can say to you that; if you have 10 btc you can easily win 1 btc in 10 minutes by only playing a 1.1 rating live sport bet.
You do realize guys that you can earn 1 BTC/day, and not /year.

There are many trading and investments that yield that much, not ponzi, but real altcoins and other type of good investments.

There are many opportunities in the crypto world, some with big ROI!!

Although trading and investments can yield large incomes, it is important to note that no method in these fields is 100%, there is a risk factor involved and some people do lose the amount they initially put in. Trading and investing certainly isn't for everyone.

Yes but I was actually implying that you turn say 0.01 into 1 BTC, not necessarly turn 100 bitcoin into 101 bitcoin (with some low risk stuff).

Yes the risk is also there, but considering a 100x ROI, and a 100% risk, i think it's worth it. Especially if the probability of win is over 50%.

I`ll just buy up all new coins and sell them a bit more expensive, its easy to make quick buck that way.
4720  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: August 18, 2015, 02:39:42 PM

Dunning-Kruger effect. You didn't refute.
Well i`m not living in hallucinations, i analyze the real world based on real data, so my intelligence is what it is, I can use my mental capacity to analyze the world correctly, perhaps with a little ego, but this Dunning-Kruger effect is just your excuse to cover up the fact that you can't refute my points.


I guess you can't read. You specifically wrote that only 1-2% of the people would be employable and the rest would be on welfare.
No no no, hold on a second , now you spin my words. I was implying that the elite don't need them.

I`d be happy to live in a harmonic society with every person, but that is not where the current progression of technology will lead us.

A terminator type future is more likely.



You seem to confuse monetary digits and political power with real capital.

So you deny that the current elite are preparing also for the collapse?

I get that they became wealthy from this money printing ponzi scheme, it's obvious. But they were intelligent, not necessarly moral people, but intelligent enough to scam the whole world.

And the whole world was so stupid to fall for their scam. How is that not intelligence when you can scam 7 billion people and besides a few hundred thousand educated economists, nobody else bothers?

Yes they are not moral people, but they are intelligent because they achieved that.

See intelligence is a double-edged sword, it can be both used for good (bitcoin, satoshi probably had IQ over 200), and evil (atomic bomb), etc.

SO:

They now scammed the whole world with fictional money, and they are now saving their phony wealth, by buying up real assets, so guess what:
When the economy get's reset, they will still be the financial elite!  Cheesy (and they will be even wealthier)



First you argue that low IQ persons are worthless. Now you argue the antithesis of what you argued before, that humanity will go extinct if we cull the low IQ people.

Your logic has gone away. It appears your rational pre-frontal cortex may be have been subjugated by your innate "primitive, post-paleozoic, hunter-gatherer ... fight-or-flight adrenaline spike".

For the second time, I refer you to my summary of the future that lies ahead. Actually try reading it slowly and clicking all the links and reading them. And try to learn.

I didnt said that humanity will go extinct because of that. In fact I havent even said the reason why.

So let me say now, the reason why humanity will go extinct if the current world order dissapears, is because in a possible financial meltdown globally, the elite will start to distrust eachother. And everybody will start to grab power for himself. Whereas today the limits of power are somewhat constrained, in a totally chaotic world it would be not.

So a nuclear apocalypse is more likely in a devastated world, than today with American - Russian minor conflicts.

I`m talking about general problem solving intelligence.

With your 138 IQ, please choreograph some hip-hop, Zumba gym sessions for the Brunei hotel patrons. Leverage your vast sensibilities of Asian culture, so that it doesn't make the patrons turned off.

My 95 IQ ex-relative is able to do this, and neither you nor A.I. can.

You fundamentally don't understand that economy is locally annealed fitness, and IQ is not the only variable at play.

Your simpleton Malthusian (the sky is falling) conceptualizations are banal enough to make eating chalk a more pleasant proposition than reading your posts.

Ah c`mon now you intentionally deceive yourself.

I told in a previous post that artists make up about 0.1% of the job market, so they are insignificant in the global economy. Why is it so hard to understand?

Guess what the other 99.9% of people do (except the intellectuals, and "authority" figures, and elite), they live the average life: eat ,drink, shit, get a mate, and make children. It's a very average way of living, and except a few % of them, they actually don't contribute anything significant to society.

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