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4721  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: July 13, 2023, 09:02:29 AM
partly wrong mate because there are some people that make gambling as a money making area and yes feeding their family from what they earn from gambling because I have a friend that is living in this life.
yes there are  ways for them or maybe there are people that has born with luck in their tail.
I also believe that some can make money from gambling and can provide for their family, but if we compare it to the people who have lost, the number will be more people who have lost. I also used to have a friend who could make money from gambling but then he realized that he would not be able to continue to make money from gambling and decided to stop using gambling as a place to make money. And we also know that gambling is not a place to make money so we shouldn't use it.

What online gambling does is that it makes people lazy once they get addicted to it, people start thinking that they don't need to do any job and they can make some money each week from gambling by sitting in the comfort of their homes without any stress of any job or earning at all, these are the kind of people who can barely make their lives better in the future and are mostly dependent on others to feed them and their family out of misery.

And, such people never learn from their mistakes, they might regret doing something for a very short period of time, but after some time, they will start doing that again, especially if it's about gambling, they might lose a lot of money and morn for a while but start gambling again and forget what happened earlier.
They are wrong if they think that way because gambling is not to make money and they should find other ways to make money. They will only get frustrated when they lose so many times that they have to change their mind to find a job to make money.

Hopefully, these people can open themselves up to accept suggestions from those closest to them so that they can begin to realize that what they have been doing is wrong. And hopefully, they will regret it and won't do it again. Even so, they can still play gambling but must have good self-control so they don't experience the same incident as before.
4722  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Lotteries and possibility vs. probability on: July 13, 2023, 08:20:28 AM
That's true 1 lottery ticket is sufficient enough to make someone a winner of the lottery because in these games the more someone buys the higher are the chances of that person to win the lottery. Only those people who are extremely lucky can win with a single lottery ticket, and I believe that those people are exceptional few in the world.

The other lucky people also need to buy more tickets in order to have a winning lottery. The lottery games are 100% luck oriented and anyone who is lucky enough will win in those games with far more success than the less lucky people. Lottery games are also luck based games and anyone who is lucky will win in these games and those who aren't lucky will never win even if they buy 100's of tickets.
But some people buy lottery tickets just to see if they can win like everyone else or if they will lose. But it turns out that they managed to win the prize and some were even able to get the jackpot so this is a rare case in lottery games. Such people exist. They have probably never played the lottery before and have only heard other people talk about their losing lottery buys. And it was because of that person's luck that he managed to make him win the jackpot prize so he got a lot of money. But we can't be like him because our luck will surely be different.
4723  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Wagering requirements for withdraw on: July 13, 2023, 07:47:29 AM
In a shady casino where those cheat is possible to happened, they are not putting the business for long term but just to open it and try to suck money out from gamblers who wanted to take advantage of their offers, but it is different from established casinos where they have those TOS before you sign up and it's more on your fault if you missed reading all the details with the terms and conditions.

More on people who take time to read and know what are the rules behind those offers. They are more into knowing the grounds and
not just taking the offer, as they understand that there's always something behind.
A shady casino will not think of the business long term as they could easily launch another shady casino once they have already made a lot of money from their conned members. They may even have a lot of shady casinos that people don't know that shady casinos are part of other shady casinos. And it makes people who have experienced fraud before become exposed to fraud again. The difference between a shady casino and a trusted casino is the services provided because a trusted casino will not try to cheat its members. And trusted casinos already have clear TOS so that each member must read them so they don't break the rules.
4724  Economy / Gambling / Re: This guy gave a whole prototype of "how live roulette scam us" on: July 13, 2023, 07:33:49 AM
I know this, I have never seen if a person or expert player has exposed to a casino if they have cheated or not and the way in which they unmasked it, because in something if there is absolutely reason, how to make a casino recognize that they did trap? Otherwise yes, the casinos can expose when a player cheats, but when a casino? as? They are the ones with the records, videos, seeds, everything, so what way is there to prove that someone did not cheat ? And how many times have we been Victims of a Casino if such a thing Exists ? Those are the things I want to see here.
We will never if the casino cheats on us or other players. But some people deliberately find out if the casino is cheating, especially people who often experience losing from casinos so they want to make sure everything is. And a trusted casino will not cheat its members because it involves the casino's reputation so it can reduce its credibility, it will decrease and eventually, its users will abandon it. Therefore, a trusted casino will always maintain its reputation; if there are problems or complaints from its members, the casino will immediately solve them.
4725  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not a steady income haven on: July 13, 2023, 06:53:27 AM
It's better that way and not to push for more, as if you think that you already have the winning pieces your appetite for gambling will increase and the chance of getting addicted or engaging too much might harm you when you keep playing from time to time, I see your point where you can make some money while being entertain that's something that you really can enjoy.

Additional perks when trying to kill some time, not all can do that but if you can just chill and not to push for deeper engagement
it will keep you safe from gambling addictions.
And that is why gambling cannot be used as the main source of income because there is no guarantee to win at gambling and we can even lose many times. If we can realize it, we will not try to make a profit and only play moderately while enjoying gambling as entertainment. But other than that, we must be able to protect ourselves from the temptation of promotions that will keep coming so that we don't spend more money gambling. This may be a hard one to avoid because casinos always give promotions from time to time which can tempt many people to get them.
4726  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is more important for crypto users? on: July 13, 2023, 06:24:26 AM
Gambling is for fun and doesnt matter whether you are engaging with fiat or crypto then it would be understandable that you are really that not minding about any investment or totally completely
different to each other if we do speak about those approach and giving out that kind of importance because its clear as day on where people would really be focusing on on which it would be
on investment rather than on gambling. Asking on why there are lots who are  really that fond of on doing gambling? Leisure and fastest way on hitting up huge amounts if you are lucky enough.
On the time that you would really be engaging with gambling then you would really be that thinking on having those fast profits but honestly this is actually depending on someones treatment
on it because there are still those people who do gamble for fun and doesnt really go into excessive extent.
But if we pay attention to what is happening in the crypto market, we see that people are also using crypto as a way to invest because they can profit by buying crypto and holding it for a while. And that profit can be greater than the profit from playing gambling. But indeed, they will not be able to get profits as fast as they get at gambling because they have to wait until the time comes to sell at high prices.

But even though you can get fast profits in gambling, you can also get losses fast. It will all depend on your luck because no one knows when your luck will come. But using crypto to gamble is more exciting than fiat because we can gamble anonymously.
4727  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: July 13, 2023, 06:05:24 AM
The point in this case is that there is a difference in professionalism.
When talking about it, there are other things that make the difference such as discipline, rigour and others.
Even though we have said that we are disciplined or meticulous in gambling, it will still not be the same so talking about us as ordinary gamblers and professional gamblers, even though they are both gamblers, in terms of methods, strategies and anything related to us gambling will obviously be very different when compared.
Yes, the difference is professionalism that not all gamblers have; only a small number can gamble professionally. This is why if we want to become professional gamblers, we have to learn many things to become a professional gambler. And to be clear, most gamblers will be different from professional gamblers, so we as gamblers must really try not to get into trouble while playing gambling. But a professional gambler can control his gambling and always try not to get emotionally involved so he can stop before things change.
4728  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who is to be blamed, the gambler or the betting agent on: July 12, 2023, 12:09:11 PM
We are responsible for our own actions and the potential consequences. You are right, there are individuals who take advantage of people for financial gain, this is the reality in many areas of life, including gambling, but in the end, no one forces people to gamble with money they don't have! So the biggest blame is on the gambler himself, he got himself into trouble. Did he not know better, was he not aware of what he is doing? Whatever it was, the problem was caused by him.

It's why education is very important. We can't stop talking about "don't gamble with money you can't afford to lose", and "don't borrow money for gambling"... the consequences can be catastrophic!
Though I agree with what you say that a person is responsible for what he does, you are totally not getting the point here. The person among gambler and the betting agent who was in trouble in this case was the betting agent because the gambler went to his shop for gambling, and lost everything he had, the betting agent then offered him to gamble with credit and pay back later, and the gambler accepted the offer and lost the credits too but then disappeared.

After some days, the betting agent found the gambler working somewhere and started arguing about the money that he has to pay back for gambling with credits, the gambler said he doesn't have money to pay back, so things sorted out when the person the gambler was working for said he will pay you back with whatever he earns from the work.

In all this, I only find the betting agent to be the one whose mistake this all was, he shouldn't have offered the gambler credits when he saw he lost everything he had already.
The betting agent may offer the gambler credit, but the betting agent must be able to find out what the gambler has so that if the gambler loses the bet, the gambler can return the money he borrowed. In traditional casinos, betting agents sometimes ask for guarantees and I have even heard of gamblers who guarantee things in their house to get money to gamble. The betting agent will be happy to hear this because the goods offered by gamblers are often in the form of goods that other people rarely own so the betting agent immediately gives the money. This may be the fault of the betting agent so he can't get the money anymore and can only wait for the gambler to have the money to be able to pay it again.
4729  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: July 12, 2023, 11:43:43 AM
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Professional gamblers have a very different mindset from the average gambler because they can play gambling while still managing themselves so they are not as tempted as we are. And they can determine when to gamble and when to gamble. Indeed, they can experience gambling addiction like us, but with their abilities, they can still control themselves well. Professional gamblers already know the steps they must take before playing gambling so they won't experience a severe gambling addiction like us.
Professional gamblers already have a lot of experience in the gambling industry from bitter to sweet experiences so they can easily manage their own actions.
Precisely professional gamblers are gamblers who have been addicts and can slowly control themselves to quit addiction but can still gamble within the limits and abilities they have.
If we follow the way professional gamblers work, it will not work because we are still tempted to win and like to act arbitrarily which can cause emotions when playing gambling.
That is why the difference is very clear between professional gamblers and most gamblers where professional gamblers can control themselves and manage their gambling time. And even though professional gamblers have become addicted gamblers, they can still control themselves because they have more abilities than most gamblers. It is very difficult to become a professional gambler because we have to practice many things before becoming like them. Of course, mental training is also needed to manage our gambling later.
4730  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not a steady income haven on: July 12, 2023, 11:21:12 AM
Even though I have been consistently winning in various casino games, I have never thought  of it as a steady income or full time job. In the past I spend a lot of time playing at the casino maybe it was because I was less busy, nowadays I only engage in them occasionally due to time constraint. Even though I do win money from these games, I don't consider it a reliable source of income. I treat my winnings as if I were spending it on a nice dinner, not expecting any of it back if I happen to lose. Despite being aware of the house edge in casino games, I genuinely enjoy playing at the casino. I understand that gambling can be entertaining, but I believe that most people should acknowledge that it won't drastically change their lives.
It's rare to meet people who consistently win at various casino games and you are the one who is really lucky to win it. It's good if you don't think of gambling as a source of income even though you often win at gambling because not many people can afford to think that way. Those who can win often will start to think that they can use gambling as a source of income and will try again the next day. But you can think of gambling as entertainment; when you win, you can use that win to enjoy the winning money. And the important thing is that you can enjoy gambling.
4731  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is more important for crypto users? on: July 12, 2023, 10:53:00 AM
Where did you get this idea from? Gambling is as old as humanity, it is not a cryptocurrency thing.

Well, but here it should be pointed out that gambling has been very important in the short history of bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.

There is no doubt about this. While other sectors of the economy were skeptical about bitcoin and cryptocurrency, gambling embraced it totally and if a careful survey is taken, you will understand that the most use cade of bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is in the gambling section.

I do not understand why the union happened so fast and the bond is strong. Could it be because both are risky and sometimes criminal tend to use both means to maneuver their illicit ways.

And maybe that's why the crypto gambling business can be more advanced than other businesses. But I don't think gambling is important for crypto users because many want to benefit from crypto investment and trading. Even though some people only use crypto for gambling, I think there will be more people who use crypto for profit. This requires further research to find out the exact number of crypto users who use crypto to gamble, invest, or trade.
4732  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How was your first experience with gambling? on: July 12, 2023, 10:20:52 AM
The first time gambling experience may be fun and full of curiosity because I don't know much about gambling even though I don't get a win. But that didn't deter me and instead went back to the casino a few days later thinking maybe I can get lucky later. But after playing several times, I lost again but the amount of money I used was not as big as yesterday. My early years of gambling were very unpleasant as it cost me money at the gambling tables.

But fortunately I was able to overcome my gambling so I didn't develop a serious gambling addiction. Even so, it was enough to make me lose the crypto coins I used. But that's okay because at that time, I used Dogecoin more than Bitcoin. Yes, getting Dogecoin via faucet is very fun because in a day, I can get a lot of Dogecoin.
4733  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Wagering requirements for withdraw on: July 12, 2023, 10:00:48 AM
I think the majority of the gamblers out there when they think about the very first thing they want to do when they finalize the process of creating an account at a new casino, do not consider reading a legal document regarding their responsibilities toward the casino as being at the top of their list.

Still it is important to do so, because as you mention there are casinos out there which are looking to aggressively use their TOS against their clients as a way to rob them.
Yes, it is their fault that they did not read the documents or regulations in the casino. That could cause problems for them, especially if they were to win a big win. They will find it difficult to comply with the regulations and require further verification. And those who don't agree think the casino is cheating them by adding those rules to their TOS even though those rules were there long ago before they registered. But if it is a shady casino, there is a TOS or no TOS, the casino will cheat its users so we shouldn't be surprised when we hear that there are people who cannot verify at a shady casino.
4734  Economy / Gambling / Re: This guy gave a whole prototype of "how live roulette scam us" on: July 12, 2023, 09:19:05 AM
I see the discussion has somewhat swerved from OP's original post. My only comment on that is, proof or you're talking shit, and casino's don't need to cheat as house edge is already in their favour, and gambler fallacy plus other common behaviours actually aid the house edge, the only thing they're exposed to is variance, so they already have systems in place to prevent overexposure.

It's bad business to cheat, and other casinos would love to expose you, so if the guy's comment has any value, my question is why he hasn't made a lot of money exposing it.

That said, the best bet is to know who audits the casino's RNG. And then choose to trust that audit's methods.
You got a point. Reputable and big casinos don't have to cheat on roulette knowing that they will win at the end of day. Even on real roulette, I don't think that casino's will cheat because they can be exposed easily and it can make their casino go bankrupt rapidly if they caught red handed. Though not sll casino is fair to their players especially those who are on the verge of bankrupcy and the one who are just starting. To be safe, it would be better for us to just stick on reputable casinos whether it's physical or online casino.
The casino doesn't need to deceive us because as we know that the casino will win in the end even though some gamblers can win. But more gamblers will lose and the money will go to the casinos, which means the casinos will win.

But casinos can cheat like that because we don't know if it's right or wrong. We can only see the video but it's hard for us to check directly because the casino will ask, do we want to play or do we want to check the system?
4735  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are there real sports bet groups on: July 12, 2023, 08:51:29 AM
It is surely an act of faith and probability, betting is purely base on two chances(lose or win) which the bettor has no control of even the so called bet group or betting signals is actually run by humans like you and I and they are not some kind of witch doctors which can foretell the future or future outcome of their so called sure prediction given to you. I really disbelief all these sporting signals because I see them as a waste of time and energy.
Those who join groups and share their signals with their members analyze one match from various information so that they will find a team that has a better chance than the opposing team. But that doesn't guarantee they will be able to find a strong team because the opportunities to be wrong are there, too so we have to analyze from the information we have. But if he wanted to join that signal group to get information about each team, that would be fine since he could use it to his own advantage. The signals cannot always be precise, so be careful with the signals you get from others.
4736  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How is your Gambling Pattern Like? on: July 12, 2023, 08:19:27 AM
It's most likely the case 90% of the time for gamblers, when we say that we are going to quit then suddenly we go and play for more and then continue our losing streak. So it's very important that we should get ourselves and control our gambling otherwise we are going to fell on the gambling addiction category and that is going to be worst for us.

So maybe we can have schedule to play and when we lose then we live another day and not continue with our gambling.

That is the strategy for me right, specially when I go to traditional base casino, just bring enough money and that's it.
It's better to make a gambling schedule and always be within limits so that we don't get addicted to gambling and can avoid big losses. I agree to have a gambling schedule so we don't get off track and can manage our gambling. And as long as we don't lose self-control in gambling, we will be fine and be able to enjoy gambling. That is the goal we must pay attention to in gambling to anticipate gambling addiction which can be bad for us.
4737  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can i make 100 $ daily from online casinos on: July 12, 2023, 07:48:17 AM
With a large capital, there is a chance that he can make it big in one go which can equate to $100 every day. It is still risky to go all in if he plays a skill game as you would still need some luck in your favour. If I was in his place I would have used my money to generate small income through sports betting every day. If I would have won I would have again reinvested most of my bank roll in a systematic manner. After 15 days I would calculate whether I am making any profits or not and then decide. It is not possible to generate profit every day but it is possible to generate profit after betting regularly in 15 or 30 days.
Even though it is possible to win a gambling game using large capital, it will not always happen because we know that gambling is all about winning and losing. We will only have more chances to lose more and it will be bigger if we use large capital. I never use big money to gamble because it means I have to take bigger risks of losing and I don't want that to happen. I'd rather use my little money to gamble and avoid risking losing a lot of money because that's what I can afford. So if anyone wants to make money regularly from gambling, he better rethink his plan because it won't be easy for him.

To win with big capital at least a few times is possible and maybe even more than $100 but expecting every day even with big capital is something ridiculous in my opinion.
Do not as if with a large capital, the victory and the target of $100 profit will come every day because the concept of gambling is not like that. We must realise that our luck is limited especially in gambling where even today maybe you will profit but tomorrow we don't know how much to lose. So in this case expecting something like this is the same as expecting a miracle and I think miracles like this will be very rare to happen.
That's why it's better not to chase a profit target of $ 100 every day than we regret because it will be difficult for us to get it. Maybe we can win some money from gambling, which is enough for us, instead of chasing the target of reaching $ 100 daily. And if he's expecting a miracle, it won't come every day either. Gambling games require luck that won't come every day, so we must know the limits of gambling and not exceed those limits. It's better to avoid a big loss than to experience it because you want to chase the target of winning.
4738  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers understood the game on: July 12, 2023, 07:20:18 AM
Losing is inevitable and this is something that a certain person should really be wary and its impossible that you wont really be that to think about those probabilities. The only mistake on here is that people or gambler
do really just simply neglect out this kind of chances or probabilities and really that pursuing on playing or gambling basing up on whats up into their mind.Just like the rest been saying that having a knowledge
or awareness on a certain sport would definitely be a good thing since it would bring out advantage for you.If we do speak about luck based games then you wouldn't really be needing these things at all.
Gambling is for fun and leisure and on the time that you do make out deposits then consider out those funds to be totally lost on gambling so that you wont really be that expecting much.
It's better not to try to chase victory if it is a luck-based gambling game because it will be very difficult. And if the gambling game is based on chance, we must be careful because this can make us play even longer. After all, we want to get that win so we forget about the limits we have made. Gambling is just for fun so we should be able to enjoy it and not try to chase that win. Otherwise, we will experience a losing streak that can cause us to lose money. We must understand the gambling game, don't expect too much to win gambling and let luck come to us.
4739  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: July 12, 2023, 06:57:38 AM
Is a fault that is worth recognizing if relying on gambling as a scourge of finding income, except maybe he is the owner of gambling that it can be said he gets income from the gambling platform, yes people always learn from their mistakes and make them better, and should be true As you said that he must realize that gambling is not your place to make a living, because basically gambling relies on luck, and what is obtained from the guidance is not regular or can be said 1 out of 20 to get victory.
I understand that gambling can give income but it is very rare, not suitable for humans who have the needs every day to survive, so it is important not to make gambling as a source of livelihood, it is better to find other jobs that provide active income.
Casino owners can get income from their business. Even casino owners will get the biggest income from gamblers. Meanwhile, gamblers who want to earn income from gambling will not find it easy to get because they have two choices: winning and losing. And the possibility of losing will be greater than winning. So it's better if people who want to make a living through gambling should be able to think about not doing it because the loss factor will be bigger than the win.
4740  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Lotteries and possibility vs. probability on: July 12, 2023, 06:17:36 AM
It's just buying 1 ticket but sometimes like I said, even when we've been in a little longer period of time basically 1 ticket is not really enough because we might even want more.
I would probably prioritise slots in this case more than lotteries even though slots also have a lot of conditions that seem the same but at least there are things that can be seen with pretty good visuals rather than having to deal with lotteries.
But indeed everyone's pleasure is different and the possibilities that we think are worthy do not necessarily think other people are worthy too.
Buying 1 lottery ticket will not give you more chances to be the winner unless you are really lucky, which rarely happens to people. And maybe people who don't really expect to be a winner in the lottery will choose other gambling games, such as slot games. Slot games are also luck-based gambling games; if we want to win, we must have good luck. But not many people can win slot games and earn much money.
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