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July 11, 2023, 03:47:28 AM
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I will clarify that as an addiction. I believe that the successful gambler will not even miss a single time for gambling. A successful gambler meant someone who has been successfully beating the system and winning the jackpot.
That being said, the chance for that to happen is very small. The gamblers need hardly try to beat the system so many times. This process can be called compulsive gambling which will lead to additional gambling.
That's why i define such a winner has become addicted to gambling caused by you will not have a chance to win the jackpot with only a few bets.
I believe a successful gambler has been wasting a lot of money, energy even his focus to play gambling. It will be very correct to call that as addiction rather than compulsive.


I assume, in this case successful gambler is someone who was able winning jackpot or max win.

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July 11, 2023, 05:18:46 AM
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I think there is huge difference between a gambling addict and gambling professional. Gambling addict is a tag used for people who can't stop gamble and mainly lose money. Successful gamblers can also be addicts if they experience mental issues. But in my opinion people tend to see successful gamblers as ones with skill and high intelligence. It s funny how society cares so much about how much money you generate through different things.
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July 11, 2023, 07:09:00 AM
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Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

No. Successful gamblers are those who have above average abilities and can analyze the game to win. They have made gambling a profession and are still paying attention to their financial condition and not playing too much, meaning that they are playing in a balanced way and the ratio of wins is far more than their losses. Meanwhile, gambling addicts are those who play like crazy and do not pay attention to their financial condition and health. Usually the ratio of their losses is also greater than their wins, and they tend to be more aggressive.

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July 11, 2023, 07:50:05 AM
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I think there is huge difference between a gambling addict and gambling professional. Gambling addict is a tag used for people who can't stop gamble and mainly lose money. Successful gamblers can also be addicts if they experience mental issues. But in my opinion people tend to see successful gamblers as ones with skill and high intelligence. It s funny how society cares so much about how much money you generate through different things.
It is true because a gambling addict wants to continue gambling even to the point of borrowing money from other people. Meanwhile, professional gamblers know the boundaries so they won't break them. In addition, there is another difference, namely the problem of self-control that gambling addicts don't have, where they can't stop even after they get a win. Professional gamblers can stop immediately after winning or reaching their gambling target to have more opportunities to enjoy their winnings. Maybe there are professional gamblers who don't target how much money they have to get from gambling.

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July 11, 2023, 07:59:50 AM
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I think there is huge difference between a gambling addict and gambling professional. Gambling addict is a tag used for people who can't stop gamble and mainly lose money. Successful gamblers can also be addicts if they experience mental issues. But in my opinion people tend to see successful gamblers as ones with skill and high intelligence. It s funny how society cares so much about how much money you generate through different things.
It is true because a gambling addict wants to continue gambling even to the point of borrowing money from other people. Meanwhile, professional gamblers know the boundaries so they won't break them. In addition, there is another difference, namely the problem of self-control that gambling addicts don't have, where they can't stop even after they get a win. Professional gamblers can stop immediately after winning or reaching their gambling target to have more opportunities to enjoy their winnings. Maybe there are professional gamblers who don't target how much money they have to get from gambling.

Most successful gamblers though are addicted as they keep playing,you cannot become a successful gambler if you don't play consistently and people who play consistently are called addicts to such game.Of course the level of addiction differs as the successful gamblers know where they should stop and call it a day while heavily addicted gamblers keep playing even if they win a huge amount as they have no targets,they just need to gamble,for them this is like a drug and their body needs it,this is the difference and this is also why successful gamblers are inevitably addicted but not to high levels.

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July 11, 2023, 01:45:05 PM
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I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe  for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount  of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful  gambler must have invested  both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable  winning  and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.
Only the fact that one uses a lot of time and money in gambling and is usually profitable doesn't prove that they are addicted to it, it would be proof that they are addicted if they keep losing but still keep gambling even if they want to stop but they can't. As long as they are profitable and doing it because they know they haven't lost anything from their pocket in gambling so far, they can't be referred to as gambling addicts in my opinion.

Also, it is not really easy or possible to be a successful gambler unless someone has a very large bankroll that they can use to recover all their losses no matter how big of a losing streak hits them because they start with a small initial bet so that if they start losing, they can use martingale strategy to cover their losses back.

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July 11, 2023, 05:37:21 PM
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I think there is huge difference between a gambling addict and gambling professional. Gambling addict is a tag used for people who can't stop gamble and mainly lose money.
Gambling professionals are doing it as a profession, as a real day job and they know their limitations. While the gambling addicts, they don't know their limitations.

Successful gamblers can also be addicts if they experience mental issues.
I agree that successful gamblers can also be addicted gamblers. And I don't think there's an issue if someone is being addressed as an addicted gambler despite being a successful one.

Because they may be good today but you'll never know how their approach changes by tomorrow.

But in my opinion people tend to see successful gamblers as ones with skill and high intelligence. It s funny how society cares so much about how much money you generate through different things.
When you're successful and have got the money, the treatment to you changes as well. That's why if people sees successful gamblers as not addicts, that's also fine and vice versa.



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July 11, 2023, 05:52:33 PM
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No. Successful gamblers know what they are doing. Casinos usually don't like them because these players are eating their lunch. These people can't be called addicts because they are not harming themselves financially. Gambling addicts always lose money and they ruin themselves and their family members. Most of them don't have a family at all.

If you ask the casino owners, they would tell you that successful gamblers are actually thieves since they are stealing from the casinos (the games are designed to make the players lose in the long run) but you can't say they are addicts.

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I think there is huge difference between a gambling addict and gambling professional. Gambling addict is a tag used for people who can't stop gamble and mainly lose money. Successful gamblers can also be addicts if they experience mental issues. But in my opinion people tend to see successful gamblers as ones with skill and high intelligence. It s funny how society cares so much about how much money you generate through different things.
It is true because a gambling addict wants to continue gambling even to the point of borrowing money from other people. Meanwhile, professional gamblers know the boundaries so they won't break them. In addition, there is another difference, namely the problem of self-control that gambling addicts don't have, where they can't stop even after they get a win. Professional gamblers can stop immediately after winning or reaching their gambling target to have more opportunities to enjoy their winnings. Maybe there are professional gamblers who don't target how much money they have to get from gambling.
Professional gamblers seem to have a mindset that is quite different from most of us who just gamble with anything being done because the focus is different.
Even though we want to pursue victory, in terms of the patterns or strategies carried out and the planning that begins are clearly different because what we are looking for from the beginning is fun so we don't learn anything else because the focus is there.
But when talking about professional gamblers from the name alone there is already "professional" then this will indeed be a little different from those of us who play gambling dirty.
But when talking about addiction as the initial context, I actually think this goes back to each of our opinions because sometimes our opinions will also be very different including the word "addiction".

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Following the thread title, I haven't heard of a gambling addict making success with gambling. Except you're mistaking professional to addiction, as there are those that have taken gambling as a profession to source of income and their love for gambling in a professional way might be mistaken for addiction.
No gambler can make success in addiction, what addicts are known for is as follows: loss chasing, uncontrollable betting habit, not knowing how to define between money meant for gambling from that of a project (misplacement of financial priority), etc. I marvel at what sort of success can such gambler make!

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July 11, 2023, 06:53:47 PM
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Following the thread title, I haven't heard of a gambling addict making success with gambling. Except you're mistaking professional to addiction, as there are those that have taken gambling as a profession to source of income and their love for gambling in a professional way might be mistaken for addiction.
No gambler can make success in addiction, what addicts are known for is as follows: loss chasing, uncontrollable betting habit, not knowing how to define between money meant for gambling from that of a project (misplacement of financial priority), etc. I marvel at what sort of success can such gambler make!
Yes, I totally agree with you, as far as I know that none of them (gamblers) have been successful at every step. I think everyone will also have the same opinion on this matter, none of them have had a brilliant career in gambling except for the bookies themselves, if you want to achieve success in gambling then the only way is you have to become a bookie. Gambling is a gamble in which we cannot know what results will come out, win or lose. If you lose, you will lose money or valuables that you have and if you win, you will get a win according to the money you bet, this is 50 - 50 between win and loss.

I hope someone won't assume that they can be successful at gambling, because obviously it's basically just luck which most likely won't always come your way. So gambling is only a matter of luck so I think someone will understand that none of them can be successful in gambling on the basis of luck.
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July 11, 2023, 07:27:33 PM
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I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe  for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount  of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful  gambler must have invested  both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable  winning  and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

To be honest, I don't have a right answer. even this question, will be responded by the community with various assumptions and the answers are relatively varied. well, my question is, how do you define a gambling addict. and, how do you look at a successful gambler himself. then, is this any different from a professional gambler. as far as i know or understand, not many gamblers have success with their gambling. moreover, if they tend to play in this type of game of luck.
So, I want to ask, what is your benchmark for a successful gambler. do they always win the gambling sessions, or, are they professional with one type of gambling, or,.. therefore, I can't really answer what you ask in this thread. because, I'm not sure what kind of gambler you think is successful. are they professionals, or regular gamblers like us who win jackpots with really fantastic values.

Overall, I understand what you're asking. it's just that, the answers will vary relatively depending on how you define gambling itself for you. one thing I understand, successful gamblers can fall into the category of professional gamblers. usually, professional gamblers only pursue one type of gambling.
for example, a professional in poker games, alternatively, someone who is professional in sports betting.
by the way, these are just my assumptions and even potentially what I'm saying isn't quite right. the point is, you can answer it yourself depending on your perception and there is nothing wrong with that.

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July 11, 2023, 07:31:52 PM
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I think there is huge difference between a gambling addict and gambling professional. Gambling addict is a tag used for people who can't stop gamble and mainly lose money. Successful gamblers can also be addicts if they experience mental issues. But in my opinion people tend to see successful gamblers as ones with skill and high intelligence. It s funny how society cares so much about how much money you generate through different things.
It is true because a gambling addict wants to continue gambling even to the point of borrowing money from other people. Meanwhile, professional gamblers know the boundaries so they won't break them. In addition, there is another difference, namely the problem of self-control that gambling addicts don't have, where they can't stop even after they get a win. Professional gamblers can stop immediately after winning or reaching their gambling target to have more opportunities to enjoy their winnings. Maybe there are professional gamblers who don't target how much money they have to get from gambling.
Professional gamblers seem to have a mindset that is quite different from most of us who just gamble with anything being done because the focus is different.
Even though we want to pursue victory, in terms of the patterns or strategies carried out and the planning that begins are clearly different because what we are looking for from the beginning is fun so we don't learn anything else because the focus is there.
But when talking about professional gamblers from the name alone there is already "professional" then this will indeed be a little different from those of us who play gambling dirty.
But when talking about addiction as the initial context, I actually think this goes back to each of our opinions because sometimes our opinions will also be very different including the word "addiction".
Once you do call yourself a professional gambler then you would really be having that quality on which it is really that totally too far into those casual gamblers who do really play most of the time. Once you do achieve

on a certain level or condition on which on the time that you would really be that able to control yourself towards gambling on which you could stop and play as you do like or could even able to call it a day.
Then it do pertains that you do really have that good self control and discipline towards yourself on which it would really be just that totally different compared to other people or gamblers around.
Success means its profitable and we know that not all would really be able to touch up this area and would really be most likely been getting wrecked up by gambling in the end of the line.

Addiction is common on which it would really be mostly be ending up on a certain individual if they arent that careful on what they are dealing with.

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July 11, 2023, 07:46:12 PM
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I wouldnt be hasty to consider a successful gambler as an addict, this is because, there are certain characteristics, or should I say, behaviors which gambling addicts exhibits, if such behavior is not found in the lifestyle or behavior of the successful gambler, it simply means that he or she is not addicted, he or she probably just loves gambling and his or her commitment to it has made him/her successful.

That a business man is serious with his or her business does not mean he is addicted to the business, he just might love what he do, and that motivate him to put in as much effort as he can to see that he succeeds..

One lesson we all must take from this is that - being successful in gambling does not equal to being addicted to gambling, if it was, then every gambling addicts out there will probably be a successful gambler.

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July 11, 2023, 09:16:39 PM
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Yes, the characteristics of an addict are present in a successful gambler. However, its important to distinguish between dedication and addiction. Addiction stands out from other mental health issues because of the negative effects it has on one's personal and professional life.

You can enjoy gambling without falling into the same trap as compulsive drinkers. When negative consequences, such as financial strain, are unable to curb compulsive gambling, the result is addiction. Its not only about putting in work; it's about giving up control.

Addiction may strike anyone, no matter how successful they are. While Elon Musk's work-addicted mmakes him billionaire, it has the potential to be both unhealthy and detrimental in the long run. Always try to strike a balance, and may those who are having trouble with gambling get the treatment they need.

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July 11, 2023, 10:08:33 PM
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From my own point of view,a successful gambler is one that knows when to quit or stop playing,one who doesn't chase his losses and get controlled by his emotion. A successful gambler is some who gamble with only the money that he can afford to lose.

If such a person wins big,he will be able to use the money wisely by investing it into a business like buying bitcoin and gold. An addict is an unsuccessful gambler because he is a slave to gambling and will loss all he has on gambling. Gambling is fun and for entertainment, you don't need to hit it big before you become successful.

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July 11, 2023, 10:19:00 PM
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No. Successful gamblers are those who have above average abilities and can analyze the game to win. They have made gambling a profession and are still paying attention to their financial condition and not playing too much, meaning that they are playing in a balanced way and the ratio of wins is far more than their losses.
Successful gamblers are also the once that always know when to stop gambling even if they are winning, some people will keep on gambling even when they are losing, why some will not stop gambling when they are winning, they will always claim it’s their lucky day, but I don’t think their is anything like luck day in gambling, when you are winning, always have limit when you will stop gambling and go away with your profit. When gambling you should make sure your profit is more than your loss, if your loss is more than your profit, then something is wrong, you can just stop gambling.

Meanwhile, gambling addicts are those who play like crazy and do not pay attention to their financial condition and health. Usually the ratio of their losses is also greater than their wins, and they tend to be more aggressive.
Addicted gamblers are always after the amount they will win which at the end they are going to lose, they are the set of people that are always Chasing their loss. As a gambler, if you can’t gamble responsibly then you are addicted to gambling and it’s wrong, gamblers are always suppose to set limit for themselves which they should try their possible best not to exceed it always.

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July 11, 2023, 10:43:55 PM
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From the  word gambling addict you will realize that such person has become so exposed to gambling that he or she  can't be controlled anymore and anyone who has been classified as an addict can be seen as a professional gambler at the same time because people who win big in gambling don't get so addicted to gambling.

A gambling addict only lavishes money because he never stops gambling unless every penny he or she has is finish but for some one to be regarded as a professional gambller it means that the person never loses a bet or the person invest less and make more money.

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July 11, 2023, 11:00:39 PM
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No, that's definitely different. Addict gamblers are someone who plays gambling but cannot control himself. Because he has a very high desire to always play gambling, no matter what the conditions are, he cannot control himself, only continues to play gambling even though he has no money. This self-control is very important for gamblers. Meanwhile, professional gamblers, usually they are more mature in several ways in gambling, not only readiness and maturity in managing gambling knowledge and abilities but also in emotions. So that he will not be addicted even though he continues to play gambling. yet he knows when to enter and when to exit.

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July 11, 2023, 11:39:30 PM
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Anything one is doing that has made him successful will no longer be called a bad addiction. I know of a guy who has made it through gambling on different sports and different online gambling sites, to the extent that most of the local gambling platforms have made him their ambassador. Even with being an addict to gambling, he has also been making a name for himself with what others might see as a lazy man's work since it looks like all the person is after is free money, which is far from the truth.
 
To answer your question, an addict is an addict, but not all addicts are entirely bad. In the case of the gambler, which I have mentioned above, his kind of addiction has paid off, which has made him what he is today. I could possibly consider him a good addict.

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