So there are 8000 shares, that puts the nav at 0.19.

If Nefario gave the same defense as you did, GLBSE would lose half its customers in a month.

Or did Usagi just get caught with their pants down fixing the poll? Why would you even do that for such a worthless poll?

Well, Gigamining alone is not worth investing in because after the .25 payment and adjusting to the same unit of mhash per second, hydro.bonds is the better deal. I also think the fair value for it is closer to .4, maybe lower, as I stopped calculating before I bothered doing discounted cash flows on it.

My current estimate is ASICs in November. If any bond is priced higher than .0025(probable average earnings)*11(weeks)*mhash, it is probably not going to break even before discounting. Post-asic, 1/20 seems to be the guestimate as to mining profitability. Consider all of this part to be the profit margin.

I honestly believe you have put yourself into a pretty rough spot. Only having verified securities leaves you little option to make real gains. I believe Namworld also does KRAKEN. You may be able to invest in that as even I believe Patrick is one of the safest operators in bitcoin.

Buying gold/platinum would not be my pick as those assets are basically pegged to the exchange rate. So this would not actually generate revenue in fiat in my mind.

Look up discounted cash flows. It is used to determine value and is heavily mentioned in Ben Graham's books/value investing.

Sep 24 22:10:53 <vampireb>   are there even good assets on glbse? i would invest if I could short everything
Sep 24 22:10:57 <nefario>   not the SEC
Sep 24 22:11:03 <nefario>   tacobeans
Sep 24 22:11:10 <mircea_popescu>   vampireb i am shorting not everything but pretty close

Sep 25 01:44:37 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.05101542 = 0.2041 BTC [-]
Sep 25 01:44:38 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.051 = 0.357 BTC [-]
Sep 25 01:44:54 <mircea_popescu>   i guess that was the best short i ever did.
Sep 25 01:45:32 <smickles>   did you buy to close yet?
Sep 25 01:45:48 <smickles>   or were you able to settle in cash
Sep 25 01:46:14 <BTC-Mining>   You shorted OBSI?
Sep 25 01:46:32 <mircea_popescu>   smickles im not closing.
Sep 25 01:46:39 <mircea_popescu>   BTC-Mining well yes.
Sep 25 01:46:43 <BTC-Mining>   I should have done that. I always forget about the possibility of shorting.
Sep 25 01:46:58 <BTC-Mining>   When I don't want to invest in something, I should short it.
Sep 25 01:47:01 <mircea_popescu>   well it's a pain to arrange share loands

Sep 28 10:32:07 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.02 = 2 BTC [-]
Sep 28 10:32:09 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.02 = 0.04 BTC [-]
Sep 28 10:36:32 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.02 = 0.06 BTC [-]
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Sep 28 10:39:00 <BTC-Mining>   lol... OBSI now pays 0.00001 per day? instead of 0.001?
Sep 28 10:39:05 <BTC-Mining>   It's down to 1%
Sep 28 10:44:18 <mircea_popescu>   yup
Sep 28 10:44:28 <mircea_popescu>   i'm glad i waited to close.
Sep 28 10:44:51 <mircea_popescu>   shorting glbse is practically speaking free money.

Chart (Same URL but chart will be updated after each month's results):
 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/oimg?key=0AmcTCtjBoRWUdFBCN29xMEtJbEdMOXEyN2pWTllId2c&oid=2&zx=svkcdxnybxi

Data:
 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmcTCtjBoRWUdFBCN29xMEtJbEdMOXEyN2pWTllId2c

They can barely maintain an exchange site as it is.  You expect a forum as well?

you may need some (small?) amount of verifying paperwork to use the ACH withdrawal with bitfloor.  other than that, no.  you can deposit cash into their bank account, which requires no ID on your part.

I find intersango an adequate platform (though USD volume is too low to be worth the trouble; might be ok if you are trading on their GBP market).  I just have had negative interactions with their key personnel and do not plan on doing any business with them if I can help it.

You'd be buying them from me, not the asset...  I would pay if the asset went bankrupt.  I understand your reasoning for trying to borrow shares, but if you want to put your money where your mouth is, I have a very established trading record and would be an honorable issuer of put options for NASTY. 

In case no one understands what they are trying to do - this is it

1.Borrow your shares of a company listed on GLBSE, pay you x% to borrow them.

2.Sell your security, pocket the money

3.They are going to trash talk the hell out of any security they get a hold of, say it is going to 0.

4.Buy it back at close to 0

5.Give you back your now worthless stock plus your x%

In a regulated market this is securities fraud, but rarely if ever gets caught.

It happens every day in Yahoo finance, if you have never seen it just go look around Yahoo finance for 5 minutes.

Google "highest short percentage nasdaq" , go to yahoo and camp out.  It also works when the short get caught and the stock goes up- the shorts panic and start trash talking non stop.

This should get locked - I am new here but one stock exchange trying to short securities on another exchange is

SECURITIES FRAUD

Don't be a dumb ass- oh and I have no stock on GLBSE as of this post, so I have no reason to care

Alas, this is one of my problems with Mircea's exchange.

I don't care about the porn. I don't care that Mircea doesn't care.

However, I am intelligent enough to know that other people do care - what is hosted in parallel reflects on MPex. If I was in a position to aggressively promote my competing bitcoin stock exchange I could at least get it its own domain.

I think he does care.  This whole exercise of borrowing shares is to be able to write CALL options without being naked, right?    

I might consider lending some shares, but could you explain what you are considering paying to borrow them? If the shares pay out dividends, do I get them or do you?

I won't lend you anything, but I would be willing to sell you some put options on NASTY shares if you were interested in short exposure to my asset on GLBSE. 

Asset issuers on MPEx get copies of all purchases of their securities, with contact info on the buyer?

(I am trying to imagine how issuers just go right on doing their thing on waking up one day to find MPEx has vanished...)

-MarkM-

22. Even so, how would the investors be affected in the event MPEx can no longer be continued ?

In the unlikely case that the continuation of MPEx becomes impossible, all issuers will be provided with lists of their shareholders. A successor system would have to be constructed (either centralized or maintained independently by the respective issuers), but no information is lost : since people can still sign with their keys, it is trivial for anyone who is in fact a shareholder to identify himself as shareholder. Just to be on the safe side, a dump of all users' final STATs, encrypted with their keys and clearsigned by the exchange will be released before closing, in whatever manner will be deemed at that time efficient, as for instance on a p2p file sharing system.

WoT identity (keyid) is 2834A5B88D322C31, user Teppy, and the same id is at http://www.dragons.tl/wotid.txt

So many questions... so little Nefario.

Nefario! Come out of your cave!

There's interesting discussion to be had!

Sep 20 01:33:16 <nefario>   what can I say, mircea has more time to piss away on IRC than me, let him have this domain
Sep 20 01:33:41 <smickles>   o, more popcorn fodder?
Sep 20 01:33:53 <mircea_popescu>   the only reason i'm not routing you off the forum is cause the forum isn't worth the effort.
Sep 20 01:34:04 <mircea_popescu>   if idiots like mathew wright can dick around there so can idiots like you.
Sep 20 01:34:30 <midnightmagic>   Who's kakobrekla >?
Sep 20 01:34:39 <kakobrekla>   me
Sep 20 01:34:55 <nefario>   lol
Sep 20 01:34:56 <midnightmagic>   Yes, but do you operate something? You are listed as channel founder: what was the purpose of this channel meant to be?
Sep 20 01:34:56 <nefario>   you're no one
Sep 20 01:35:07 <nefario>   he runs assbot I think
Sep 20 01:35:14 <mircea_popescu>   kakobrekla lol i admire you not booting the idiot at this point. i would have.
Sep 20 01:35:26 <mircea_popescu>   nefario he owns the chanel. and you're 15.
Sep 20 01:35:52 <nefario>   with mild alopecia
Sep 20 01:36:05 *   ChanServ gives channel operator status to kakobrekla
Sep 20 01:36:08 <kakobrekla>   what is the issue here
Sep 20 01:36:19 <smickles>   
Sep 20 01:36:22 <nefario>   with alopecia?
Sep 20 01:36:37 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.081 = 0.324 BTC [-]
Sep 20 01:36:39 <nefario>   no, just saying if I'm 15 then I've got a hair problem
Sep 20 01:37:01 <copumpkin>   o.O
Sep 20 01:37:20 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.0815 BTC

Sep 20 01:37:30 <assbot>   [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5580 @ 0.000264 = 1.4731 BTC [-]
Sep 20 01:37:32 <assbot>   [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 620 @ 0.00026371 = 0.1635 BTC [-]
Sep 20 01:37:33 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00040681 = 2.5019 BTC [-]
Sep 20 01:37:34 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00040555 = 5.9413 BTC [-]
Sep 20 01:38:18 <smickles>   tits
Sep 20 01:38:22 <kakobrekla>   this is a free for all
Sep 20 01:38:30 <kakobrekla>   you can insult eachother as you please
Sep 20 01:38:36 <kakobrekla>   if you cant take it, leave
Sep 20 01:38:44 <kakobrekla>   im not going to ban anyone at this point
Sep 20 01:38:47 <kakobrekla>   thanks.
Sep 20 01:39:07 *   kakobrekla removes channel operator status from kakobrekla
Sep 20 01:39:09 <mircea_popescu>   admirable.
Sep 20 01:39:41 *   smickles stands outside of kakobrekla's window and imitates the whitest kids you know racewar skit
Sep 20 01:40:15 <smickles>   come on man, race war. let's go!
Sep 20 01:40:22 <BTC-Mining>   and Kako is right, in my opinion.
Sep 20 01:40:25 <kakobrekla>   usagi, extensive spaming for example
Sep 20 01:40:36 <kakobrekla>   repeating the same line over and over again
Sep 20 01:40:37 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.077 BTC [-]
Sep 20 01:40:39 <kakobrekla>   exactly the same.
Sep 20 01:40:42 <kakobrekla>   that would get you banned.
Sep 20 01:40:51 <nefario>   *** PENIS PILLS **** WWW>PENIPILLS>COM
Sep 20 01:41:09 <mircea_popescu>   i told you he's 15.
Sep 20 01:41:22 <kakobrekla>   better to let everyone shine in their true light
Sep 20 01:41:30 <kakobrekla>   if i ban someone, we will be short of that info
Sep 20 01:42:12 <mircea_popescu>   jesus he's so close to my own philosophy i could try.
Sep 20 01:42:15 <mircea_popescu>   i could cry*
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Sep 20 01:42:57 <kakobrekla>   i would ban highlevelminer for example
Sep 20 01:43:59 <kakobrekla>   hm
Sep 20 01:44:00 <kakobrekla>   accually
Sep 20 01:44:08 <kakobrekla>   i had a wicked idea a few days ago
Sep 20 01:44:11 <kakobrekla>   if you want it
Sep 20 01:44:15 <kakobrekla>   i will implement it
Sep 20 01:44:52 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [FDBF] 13 @ 0.14500003 = 1.885 BTC

Sep 20 01:44:53 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [FDBF] 7 @ 0.14500002 = 1.015 BTC [-]
Sep 20 01:44:57 <kakobrekla>   each person can cast a vote for other people to be kicked out of this room, if there is n votes in m, person gets a o minute ban
Sep 20 01:45:07 <kakobrekla>   in m minutes*
Sep 20 01:45:18 <midnightmagic>   kakobrekla: I am not appealing to you to act: I am curious to know the boundaries. I know them now. Thanks for clarifying. Heh heh..
Sep 20 01:45:57 <kakobrekla>   like a self moderation thingy.
Sep 20 01:46:06 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.1099 = 2.7475 BTC [-]
Sep 20 01:46:08 <mircea_popescu>   that is a really stupid.
Sep 20 01:46:12 <mircea_popescu>   ideea.
Sep 20 01:46:22 <kakobrekla>   you feel you would fly out quickly eh
Sep 20 01:46:53 <Bugpowder>   What if you had to pay 1BTC per vote, to be distributed to the remaining people in the room?
Sep 20 01:46:58 <kakobrekla>   lol
Sep 20 01:47:19 <mircea_popescu>   kakobrekla think of it this way : i have enough money to hire people to come post here to kick you out.
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Sep 20 01:47:53 <mircea_popescu>   in general the value comes from the outliers not from the center. this is why we have silicon valley : to support innovation, not conformity.
Sep 20 01:48:10 <kakobrekla>   fine
Sep 20 01:48:12 <mircea_popescu>   so as an ideea it runs contrary to the very principle of pretty much everything, from bitcoin to freenode all the way to foss.
Sep 20 01:48:13 <kakobrekla>   you asked for moderation
Sep 20 01:48:16 <kakobrekla>   i gave you an option
Sep 20 01:48:18 <kakobrekla>   refused.
Sep 20 01:48:24 <kakobrekla>   we are done with this topic now, for good.
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Sep 20 01:48:34 <smickles>   democracy = mob rule
Sep 20 01:48:47 <kakobrekla>   pull your guns back out
Sep 20 01:48:49 <nefario>   anarchy=...anarchy
Sep 20 01:49:19 <mircea_popescu>   nefario anarchy is that system where some guy that's been running the market where scams gather for years doesn't get to play the respectable.
Sep 20 01:49:21 *   Enky (~IceChat77@ip-55-133.sn2.eutelia.it) has left #bitcoin-assets
Sep 20 01:49:25 <mircea_popescu>   yes, you're nto a whore yourself. you're the matron.
Sep 20 01:49:49 <BTC-Mining>   smickles: indeed, no mob rule
Sep 20 01:50:16 <BTC-Mining>   Enlightened absolutism all the way
Sep 20 01:50:50 <smickles>   we just need an appeal to god, that's all
Sep 20 01:51:00 <mircea_popescu>   for to give us
Sep 20 01:51:02 <mircea_popescu>   watermelons!
Sep 20 01:51:27 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [UDN] 3 @ 0.03498999 = 0.105 BTC [-]
Sep 20 01:52:23 <BTC-Mining>   Hmm... I'd be all for watermelons
Sep 20 01:52:24 <smickles>   wait,
Sep 20 01:52:41 <smickles>   the movie version of the emperor caligulaQ!!!
Sep 20 01:56:05 <smickles>   ;;bc,24hprc
Sep 20 01:56:07 <gribble>   12.37
Sep 20 01:56:39 <dub>   kakobrekla: they had that in #bitcoin a year ago, it got gamed
Sep 20 01:56:50 <dub>   longer than that maybe
Sep 20 01:56:54 <kakobrekla>   aha
Sep 20 01:56:58 <kakobrekla>   i was not aware of that
Sep 20 01:57:03 <dub>   it was neat
Sep 20 01:57:35 <dub>   if people said 'thanks dub' you got karma points, eventually you got voice, then you could !+b loser and if enough voices agreed they got banned
Sep 20 01:57:53 <kakobrekla>   o cute
Sep 20 01:59:05 <smickles>   people
Sep 20 01:59:42 <nefario>   Smoovious: or 100% are self serving
Sep 20 01:59:48 <nefario>   but not a mix
Sep 20 02:00:07 <nefario>   not exactly
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Sep 20 02:02:56 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [UDN] 3 @ 0.03498999 = 0.105 BTC [-]
Sep 20 02:03:03 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00041085 = 14.9549 BTC

Sep 20 02:04:27 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0034 BTC

Sep 20 02:07:06 *   jurov is now known as jurov|away
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Sep 20 02:07:46 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012936 BTC

Sep 20 02:08:22 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012936 BTC

Sep 20 02:11:14 <kakobrekla>   nefario >> Alberto was also involved in another case of fraud, http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/ensos-zenpad-is-vaporware-get-refunds-while-they-last/
Sep 20 02:11:15 <kakobrekla>   lol
Sep 20 02:11:20 <kakobrekla>   this was known for what, half a year?
Sep 20 02:11:54 <kakobrekla>   twas in the the first failed bdt thread
Sep 20 02:11:55 <kakobrekla>   oh well
Sep 20 02:12:28 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.001 BTC

Sep 20 02:12:48 <nefario>   fuck this talk like a pirate day
Sep 20 02:12:58 <nefario>   cant understand any of the fucking links in reddit
Sep 20 02:13:20 <copumpkin>   avast!
Sep 20 02:13:40 <kakobrekla>   again with the pirate.
Sep 20 02:13:48 <copumpkin>   arr
Sep 20 02:13:51 <copumpkin>   aye
Sep 20 02:14:10 <kakobrekla>   is that dude still present on irc anyway
Sep 20 02:14:34 <nefario>   holler be savin 'stow pillage nsfw
Sep 20 02:14:47 <smickles>   ;;ident pirateat40
Sep 20 02:14:47 <gribble>   Nick 'pirateat40', with hostmask 'pirateat40!~pirateat4@unaffiliated/pirateat40', is not identified.
Sep 20 02:14:56 <smickles>   not right now anyway
Sep 20 02:14:59 *   Shaded (~Shaded@unaffiliated/shaded) has joined #bitcoin-assets
Sep 20 02:15:24 <dub>   yes he is, in #btcst
Sep 20 02:16:03 <assbot>   [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 12200 @ 0.00027584 = 3.3652 BTC

Sep 20 02:16:05 <kuzetsa>   /who pirateat40
Sep 20 02:16:10 <kuzetsa>   /ns info pirateat40
Sep 20 02:16:15 <kuzetsa>   /ison pirateat40
Sep 20 02:16:17 <kuzetsa>   oh
Sep 20 02:16:30 <kuzetsa>   /me gives the keyboard a funny lool
Sep 20 02:16:33 <kuzetsa>   *look
Sep 20 02:16:55 <dub>   irc is hard
Sep 20 02:17:28 <kuzetsa>   my keyboard has buttons which, when pressed in a certain way make the IRC thing not do normal-like
Sep 20 02:17:29 <smickles>   i thought pirate usually idented when he hopped on
Sep 20 02:18:06 <dub>   not lately
Sep 20 02:18:16 <kuzetsa>   yeah :/
Sep 20 02:18:30 <kuzetsa>   probably too many "leave a message using gribble" hatemails
Sep 20 02:18:58 <kakobrekla>   ;;hate later
Sep 20 02:18:58 <gribble>   Error: "hate" is not a valid command.
Sep 20 02:19:06 <mircea_popescu>   ;;later hate
Sep 20 02:19:07 <gribble>   Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "hate" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
Sep 20 02:19:15 <mircea_popescu>   gribs is an innocent.
Sep 20 02:19:16 <kakobrekla>   ah
Sep 20 02:19:25 <smickles>   ;;ident mircea_popescu
Sep 20 02:19:26 <gribble>   Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@trilema/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
Sep 20 02:19:30 <smickles>   
Sep 20 02:19:35 <kakobrekla>   scammer
Sep 20 02:19:35 <mircea_popescu>   want me to ident ?
Sep 20 02:19:46 <smickles>   ;;ident
Sep 20 02:19:46 <gribble>   You are identified as user smickles, with GPG key id EA62D7CEB2450C3F, key fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and bitcoin address 12NjnZTVeTJ3g5C7BqfS2aQ2rLkmwiqVz6
Sep 20 02:19:52 <smickles>   mwahaha
Sep 20 02:20:06 <mircea_popescu>   ;;echo No, YOU are identified as user smickles
Sep 20 02:20:07 <gribble>   No, YOU are identified as user smickles
Sep 20 02:20:11 <smickles>   ;;ident kakobrekla
Sep 20 02:20:12 <gribble>   Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net', is not identified.
Sep 20 02:20:24 <kakobrekla>   ;;ident
Sep 20 02:20:24 <gribble>   You are not identified.
Sep 20 02:20:27 <smickles>   scamed by the chanop
Sep 20 02:20:29 <kakobrekla>   pft
Sep 20 02:20:30 <kakobrekla>   ;;ident
Sep 20 02:20:31 <gribble>   You are not identified.
Sep 20 02:20:32 <kakobrekla>   ;;ident
Sep 20 02:20:33 <gribble>   You are identified as user kakobrekla, with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None
Sep 20 02:20:40 <mircea_popescu>   uh ?!
Sep 20 02:22:19 <kuzetsa>   ;;echo I like cheese
Sep 20 02:22:19 <gribble>   I like cheese
Sep 20 02:22:23 <smickles>   i keep reading the channel mode as +cunt
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Sep 20 02:22:42 <mircea_popescu>   want sum ? get sum!
Sep 20 02:22:45 <smickles>   .py print ';;ident'
Sep 20 02:22:47 <markac>   ;;ident
Sep 20 02:22:47 <gribble>   You are not identified.
Sep 20 02:22:48 <dub>   ;;later tell kuzetsa not when its in your vagina
Sep 20 02:22:49 <gribble>   The operation succeeded.
Sep 20 02:23:21 <kuzetsa>   the hell
Sep 20 02:23:29 <kuzetsa>   please don't talk about my anatomy
Sep 20 02:23:31 <nefario>   lol
Sep 20 02:23:47 <nefario>   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110709.0;topicseen
Sep 20 02:23:49 <dub>   sif you have a vagoo
Sep 20 02:24:12 <dub>   that looks shooped
Sep 20 02:24:24 <dub>   I can tell because of pixels and nefario is a scammer
Sep 20 02:25:16 <mircea_popescu>   ahaha smickles haxx
Sep 20 02:26:03 <smickles>   mircea_popescu: one day, markac will ident as me
Sep 20 02:26:18 <copumpkin>   ;;ud markac
Sep 20 02:26:19 <gribble>   http://www.urbandictionary.com/products.php?term=Markac&defid=5962291 | ... with your own definition! by pseudonym129874. Definition: A slang term for anal masturbation. Example: That cucumber is perfect for some Markac action ...
Sep 20 02:26:35 <mircea_popescu>   nowai ?!
Sep 20 02:26:51 <mircea_popescu>   im sure vrag uses eggplants anyway.
Sep 20 02:28:04 <smickles>   i just need to wait till markac goes offline, and renick and ,,ident
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Sep 20 02:28:38 <dub>   good to see chief bitcoin scammer theymos is weighing in on nefarios crime
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Sep 20 02:29:29 <dub>   cabal wagons circling
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Sep 20 02:30:22 <mircea_popescu>   eh ?!
Sep 20 02:30:39 <mircea_popescu>   smickles you know it hasn't been offline in weeks ? maybe months.
Sep 20 02:31:07 <dub>   <theymos> good job on violatign this individuals rights nefario, let me get you a fresh gerbil
Sep 20 02:31:27 <smickles>   dub: where is that?
Sep 20 02:31:49 <dub>   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1205280#msg1205280
Sep 20 02:32:28 <nefario>   eh the post doesn't say that
Sep 20 02:34:48 <kakobrekla>   >Alberto agreed to this information being published, in the event of him scamming or running with the money, on sending it to me, I wouldn't post it otherwise.
Sep 20 02:34:52 <kakobrekla>   just for a piece of mind
Sep 20 02:35:00 <kakobrekla>   can we see that document signed or something
Sep 20 02:35:08 <mircea_popescu>   peace.
Sep 20 02:35:14 <kakobrekla>   ya
Sep 20 02:35:15 <kakobrekla>   peace
Sep 20 02:35:17 <kakobrekla>   or where
Sep 20 02:35:21 <kakobrekla>   dd he agree to
Sep 20 02:35:24 <kakobrekla>   did*
Sep 20 02:35:26 <smickles>   kakobrekla: with me, it was a conversation, not a document
Sep 20 02:35:45 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [-]
Sep 20 02:35:48 <dub>   the peace would reside in some piece of mind presumably
Sep 20 02:35:51 <kakobrekla>   you are nef pr now
Sep 20 02:36:03 <smickles>   me?
Sep 20 02:36:10 <kakobrekla>   yes
Sep 20 02:36:24 <smickles>   free btc for EVERYONE~
Sep 20 02:36:32 <nefario>   lol
Sep 20 02:36:41 <kakobrekla>   meh
Sep 20 02:36:51 <kakobrekla>   you guys are hopeless
Sep 20 02:36:54 <mircea_popescu>   this was confusing
Sep 20 02:37:15 <dub>   its not really, you guys are just late to the party
Sep 20 02:37:21 <kakobrekla>   i still didnt get my answer
Sep 20 02:37:30 <kakobrekla>   nefario is just loling
Sep 20 02:37:31 <dub>   the answer is nefario is not to be trusted
Sep 20 02:37:40 <smickles>   sorry kakobrekla, i just meant to say, that nef has my personal details, and there was no document signed about the terms of public release
Sep 20 02:37:52 <kakobrekla>   ahh
Sep 20 02:37:52 <dub>   he appears to be part of a UK based conspiracy to defraud the entire bitcoin community
Sep 20 02:38:00 <kakobrekla>   sorry smickles
Sep 20 02:38:10 <kakobrekla>   thought you were answering as him
Sep 20 02:38:11 <nefario>   dub: just HOW thick IS your tinfoil hat
Sep 20 02:38:25 <nefario>   smickles I spoke with on the phone
Sep 20 02:38:30 <nefario>   asked him on there
Sep 20 02:38:41 <nefario>   Alberto was over email
Sep 20 02:38:48 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [JTME] 4 @ 0.74897879 = 2.9959 BTC

Sep 20 02:38:49 <kakobrekla>   well nefario, just for your protection, it would help you to have a doc signed about releasing that sort of info
Sep 20 02:38:49 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [JTME] 9 @ 0.7489788 = 6.7408 BTC

Sep 20 02:38:50 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [JTME] 2 @ 0.74999 = 1.5 BTC

Sep 20 02:38:51 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [JTME] 4 @ 0.755 = 3.02 BTC

Sep 20 02:38:53 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [JTME] 2 @ 0.77 = 1.54 BTC

Sep 20 02:38:56 <kakobrekla>   can save you some trouble you know
Sep 20 02:39:10 <nefario>   yeah I figure as much
Sep 20 02:39:11 <smickles>   nefario: that's what i'm saying, it was a conversation
Sep 20 02:39:22 <nefario>   yeah
Sep 20 02:39:43 <nefario>   like I said I don't just go throwing peoples info about willy nilly
Sep 20 02:40:01 <BTC-Mining>   nefario, get a lawyer to make a valid form to sign regarding this, and send it my way.
Sep 20 02:40:02 <kakobrekla>   noone argues alby is innocent
Sep 20 02:40:16 <mircea_popescu>   well, no-one except himself, i guess.
Sep 20 02:40:20 <nefario>   BTC-Mining: sure
Sep 20 02:40:49 <mircea_popescu>   but to be honest, that entire thing smells bad. it seems more as an attempt for jro/kludge and possibly meni to extract themselves smelling rosy
Sep 20 02:40:55 <mircea_popescu>   than anything.
Sep 20 02:40:56 <nefario>   we'll have to include this in the TOS for asset issuers
Sep 20 02:41:22 <nefario>   kluge is rosy
Sep 20 02:41:30 <nefario>   the guy is paying with his own money
Sep 20 02:41:41 <mircea_popescu>   maybe.
Sep 20 02:41:55 <kakobrekla>   no moonlanding malaimo
Sep 20 02:41:55 <nefario>   he is
Sep 20 02:41:56 <kakobrekla>   eh
Sep 20 02:41:59 <kakobrekla>   mircea_popescu
Sep 20 02:42:12 <nefario>   lasers
Sep 20 02:42:15 <mircea_popescu>   hm ?
Sep 20 02:43:02 <nefario>   you can use lasers to verify there are man made objects on the moon
Sep 20 02:43:03 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2524 @ 0.00041187 = 1.0396 BTC

Sep 20 02:43:04 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17276 @ 0.00041296 = 7.1343 BTC

Sep 20 02:43:14 <kakobrekla>   shhh nefario
Sep 20 02:43:24 <nefario>   oh sorry
Sep 20 02:43:43 <nefario>   Eh THEREWERE NOLANDINGSONZEMOOON
Sep 20 02:44:37 <mircea_popescu>   mkay.
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Sep 20 02:47:06 <smickles>   can't you also get time at a nice telescope and see the footprints?
Sep 20 02:47:51 <mircea_popescu>   at any rate it doesn't cunt till someone has sex on the moon.
Sep 20 02:47:55 <smickles>   iirc, that one on that clif in s. california does it from time to time
Sep 20 02:47:58 <nefario>   how do you know it's not a photo on the other end of the lens?
Sep 20 02:48:35 <smickles>   nef have a friendlook at the lense when you look thru it, maybe
Sep 20 02:48:47 <nefario>   how can you trust the fiend?
Sep 20 02:48:53 <nefario>   what if it's like the truman show
Sep 20 02:48:58 <nefario>   and they're in on the whole thing
Sep 20 02:49:08 <nefario>   how do you know you are YOU?
Sep 20 02:49:19 <nefario>   etc.
Sep 20 02:49:34 <nefario>   I've got so much tinfoil on my head right now
Sep 20 02:49:41 <smickles>   nefario: well answer me this: have you verified that the earth is a sphereoid?
Sep 20 02:49:42 <nefario>   I can't even go near a microwave or mobile phone
Sep 20 02:49:52 <smickles>   i have
Sep 20 02:49:56 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.10274999 = 0.2055 BTC [-]
Sep 20 02:50:01 <smickles>   it was a fun project
Sep 20 02:50:12 <mircea_popescu>   it's a pity nefario doesn't have much time to waste on irc.

Another perspective;  judging by Pirate debt prices,  someone who invested in Pirate at the same time DMC IPO'd, never withdrew a penny, always reinvested his dividends, got caught by total surprise when pirate defaulted, waited more than a month after the default before accepting this reality and selling his worthless debt, would still have lost less than someone who bought in to DMC.  And yet we are supposed to believe there is no wrong doing here.