Il problema è che il fisco può farti un controllo anche dopo anni... tu sei disposto ad aspettare 10 anni per una risposta?
Più che altro vorrei essere consapevole di quali reati mi possono essere contestati e quali le pene. Se mi dicessero che al caso peggiore prendo una multa agirei in un certo modo, se mi dicono che posso finire in gattabuia fino a X anni agirei diversamente. |
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Fatevene una ragione : hanno provato a tirare una legge "ad cazzum" e i risultati sono ovvi, non ci si può muovere se non a interpretazione e con titubanza. : http://www.econopoly.ilsole24ore.com/2016/09/10/bitcoin-e-tasse-domanda-il-privato-cittadino-deve-dichiarare-le-plusvalenze-o-no/E direi che capaccioli attualmente è uno dei più esperti Per evitare, poi, di tassare importi non significativi sono escluse da tassazione le plusvalenze, qualora la giacenza complessiva di tutti i depositi e conti correnti in valuta intrattenuti sia inferiore a 51.645,69 euro per almeno sette giorni lavorativi continui.
La decisione di assimilare i bitcoin a valute estere ha portato al sillogismo: non ci sono conti corrente né deposito e quindi utilizzo non è imponibile. Personalmente credo che il rischio che vi facciano un controllo equivale a quello di trovarsi a casa la polizia postale perchè vi siete presi un virus e il vostro pc a iniziato a comunicare con un server sotto controllo dalla polizia postale. Ovviamente il rischio aumenta con l'aumentare del capitale in gioco. Sarebbe carino trovare un early adopter che voglia fare da cavia. Ho parlato al tempo con gestore di exchange cui clienti eseguono bonifici in italia : mi hanno detto che alcuni se ne fottono a mani basse e incassano cifre ben oltre i 100K, mentre altri pagano un secco 26% sul totale dell'importo. Cosa che comunque non ti eviterebbe di trovarti di fronte qualcuno che ti chiede spiegazioni non sul valore che incassi, ma su come tu abbia ottenuto quell'ammontare. Early adopters cavia cercasi : cifra da bonificare > 1 Milione di Euro. |
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Più che altro dichiarare il wallet dovrebbe essere molto divertente :-)
Sarei curioso di cosa servirebbe per dichiararlo.
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getting frozen on the Pong, how do i setup the stop loss to help this? Thanks again, sorry for the questions
you can set a SELL ALL or BUY ALL (depending by the pong type) with condition like "XXXX ALL IF % With REFERENCE PRICE IS < -X" Where -X is for example 5 : if the difference with current book orders price and the reference price (the ping trade price) is < -5% (ex -6) it means that market trend is going opposite the side that allows you to have a gain. So a stop loss will be triggered and you will loss near 5% but no more. Take care with stop loss because sometimes markets are very volatile and a +10% / -10% could occur in some minutes..... |
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Thank you I understand that one now,
Basically, with the static and dynamic, are you referring to the ping type drop down box on the Ping order creator? OR on the Presets drop down box and picking default Static , then for pingPong mode choosing Static instead of Normal
which one do i select?
Usually (when you don't create order) orders are STATIC when algorithm is static and Dynamic when algorithm is dynamic. In other words fixed buy/sell price or dynamic ping price and dynamic pong price (with constraint of % gain over ping reference price). BUT customers ask me about the function to change type of an order from STATIC to DYNAMIC and vice-versa So, when order is static (because you force that value) inside Dynamic mode, that order won't be recalculated. |
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the other question was just in regards to the market price going up or down. When a trade is done and it shows a gain on gain tab, is it possible that you still lost money because of the decrease or increase in the coin value during the trade?
of course, that's normal and not related to bot trading. Example I have 100 <COIN> and change price with BTC is 0.01 so i have 1 BTC in <COIN> Now i complete a ping-pong with 10% GAIN I Sell my 100 Coin at price X and rebuy them at price Y (using total amount of my first ping trade) so total is 110 <COIN> 10% Gain right? But bad luck for <COIN> and a crash occurs some times later (that has nothing to do with your trades) and change price now is <COIN>/BTC = 0.005 So now i have 110 x 0.005 = 0.55 BTC So my Gain using CAT is 10 Coin but my estimated portfolio value is lower than before. |
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thank you
So if i am hearing you correctly, I need to place static trades using default settings.
So if I am just trading say Bitcoin Cash using static trades and am seeing a positive on cumulative gains tab then This is also taking into consideration the market fluctuation of the coin?
When it is BUY/Sell or Ping/Pong , I would not be loosing any money with market fluctuation because its already factored into CAT?
Static orders, not trades. Trade is an event that occurs after a match between 2 orders (Taker/Maker) If you trade in STATIC MODE cat won't consider any price change. Sell Price will be X Buy price will be Y, nothing more than this. You can combine multiple static mode over the same markets and try to get different range of Gain : for example 1% on Algo1, 2% on algo2 etc.... I haven't understand your last question.... |
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 Currently it is not doing as you suggest, the order with the star in the image is mine but it should cancel and move to 0.00001415 and it is not. Is there a setting which could be interfering? this is dynamic btw are you alone on that position? Or you're sitting there with other person? |
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Ok,
lets say the sell order book looks like this;
0.00001360 (my order)
Gap between 0.00001360 and 0.00001365
0.00001365
0.00001366
0.00001367
0.00001368
The bot should cancel my order at 0.00001360 and move it to 0.00001364 so that my sell order stays as close to the next sell order as possible, How to make this happen?
it already happen during recalculation : - CAT GETS ORDER BOOK : so 0.00001360 (my order) 0.00001365 0.00001366 0.00001367 0.00001368 - CAT REMOVE Your order position (if you have 100% or near) 0.00001365 0.00001366 0.00001367 0.00001368 If option try to stay always on top is active then new price is 0.00001364, otherwise 0.00001365 |
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Will have plenty of questions over the coming days / fair warning  So i put in a dynamic ping order for a buy at 0.00001326 sats but it actually brought at 0.00001386 sats, any ideas why it would purchase above the price i requested it to purchase at? because it's dynamic : recalculation routine comes in play and order was recreated from 0.00001326 to 0.00001386 without any kind of price limits CAT is free to recreate a PING order in any market position. |
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Hi Guys,
Couple of quick questions.
I have noticed that my CAT will create orders maybe like 6-8 transactions in the gains tab and then it will just sit with open orders for 24 hours or more with no activity.
I have to then delete the open orders and redo the Ping/pong creation. Any idea why its doing this?
Also, I notice my balance is consistently decreasing in BTC , I am only trading LTC or bitcin cash. Is this because the value of BTC is rising or am I loosing money on each transaction with buying and selling levels?
Thank you
Hi, if your gains tab have a positive value, that value is the mathematical gain that occurs after a ping-pong is complete. The general BTC portfolio value is something else : it's the simple conversion of all your asset expressed in BTC (considering the last market price of any asset). That value can decrease or increase even if you're not trading. About the open orders : probably these orders are pong, you must read the log to understand the reason why they are sitting in order book. Usually an order is "frozen" inside the order book when market value goes away from the minimum value useful to let you have your gain %. So Cat will wait until that value is reached. Sometimes have a stop loss could hep you restart a ping-pong cycle and minimize loss. |
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Hi!!
Is there currently a way to have the bot only list the orders to the order book if the price target is met instead of placing the orders in the order book immediately prior to the target price being met?
Thanks!
you must DECHECK The always create pong order option. |
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not sure if you use Twitter, but if you post the link to some warning like this on Twitter i would retweet it :-) just made a Tweet about that |
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While searching for a BOT i found your thread. http://catcoinbot.com/ looks interesting. where can i find some detail informations how its works an what features it has. e.g. setting stop losses dynamicly up when price increases? seling at some target points or higher if possible? or other features it has. as im a small investor only , currently i could start with 0.4 btc i would like to get a better picture of how it will support me when trading on bittrex only. any help appreciated. 
THIS SITE IS A SCAMAnd it's already written in my Home Page : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507103.msg5590877#msg5590877 |
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hi,
your orders are of DYNAMIC type. CAT recalculate dynamic orders to put them in the best market position.
You should create STATIC Orders.
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UPDATE : I need to run 4 TEST and probably we will have a CAT 5.2 BETA For next weekend.  |
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Sampey, Will the below affect CAT on Bittrex? "Bittrex is committed to providing fair and efficient price discovery and these changes are designed to improve the overall trading experience on our markets. Removing stale orders: Effective today, Bittrex will be removing orders that are older than 28 days. As we’ve communicated in the past, many of these orders have no reasonable expectation of being filled and clog the order books. Raising the minimum trade size: Within the next 2 weeks, the minimum trade value for orders will go from 50,000 Satoshis to 100,000 Satoshis. We will also require a minimum trade quantity. For example, DOGE trades at 22 satoshis. The minimum trade quantity is 4500 DOGE and the minimum trade value is 100000 satoshis. The smallest order in the book is 100000 DOGE at 1 satoshi each. The largest order in the book is 4500 DOGE at 2 btc each. Creating minimum tick sizes: Within the next 2 weeks, on a per market basis, we will be instituting minimum tick sizes that are based on the current price of the market. The target is to have minimum trade sizes that are near 0.1% of the current price. The current minimum tick size is 1 satoshi. For example, Ethereum trades at 0.0577 Bitcoin. Bids and asks can only be placed in 0.0001 increments. So the next level on the bid side of the orderbook will be 0.0576 and 0.0578 on the ask. A general statement about market manipulation tactics: Bittrex actively discourages any type of market manipulation, including pump groups. Consistent with our terms of service, we will suspend and close any accounts engaging in this type of activity and notify the appropriate authorities." https://support.bittrex.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003004171Hi, this part : Raising the minimum trade size: Within the next 2 weeks, the minimum trade value for orders will go from 50,000 Satoshis to 100,000 Satoshis.
Will be changed for CAT 5.2 This part : Effective today, Bittrex will be removing orders that are older than 28 days. It's a problem i don't consider : having the same order for 28 days it's not something related to CAT and i won't write code about that. Creating minimum tick sizes: Within the next 2 weeks, on a per market basis, we will be instituting minimum tick sizes that are based on the current price of the market. The target is to have minimum trade sizes that are near 0.1% of the current price. The current minimum tick size is 1 satoshi. For example, Ethereum trades at 0.0577 Bitcoin. Bids and asks can only be placed in 0.0001 increments. So the next level on the bid side of the orderbook will be 0.0576 and 0.0578 on the ask. I hope they will add this info inside an API Call. Tick size it's not a problem to be managed by CAT, but i need to have such info, and having such info inside an Api call it's the best solution. In general CAT doesn't have any problem in manage these attributes : - Number of decimal places for Price/Qty - Min Qty - Min Price - Min Total Value (Qty x Price) |
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io uso quella da tanto tempo. l'avevo presa come "riserva" ma è diventata titolare. PRaticamente mai avuto 1 problema su centinaia di pagamenti. Poi adesso ha anche aumentato il numero di crypto accettate per il deposito. Direi un buon acquisto. C'e anche il servizio di assistenza in tempo reale sul sito. |
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Una carta di credito fa riferimento a Visa/Mastercard = FIAT. Le crypto vengono prima, durante la fase di carica....
Quindi, indipendentemente da COME si ricarica una carta (AdvCash ad esempio offre molti metodi di ricarica, tra cui BTC) essa andrebbe trattata esattamente come una Ricaricabile con iban (Se hai l'iban) altrimenti come una ricaricabile semplice.
Non ho capito bene. Prendiamo il caso di Xapo, con conversione all'uso (detieni bitcoin sulla carta e la conversione in fiat avviene quando acquisti o prelevi). Se effettuo transazioni sotto la soglia dei 51.645,69 euro nell’arco di 7 giorni dovrei essere a posto dal punto di vista fiscale? Sulla carta dubito che tu detenga bitcoin, la XAPO è una visa. Il fatto che la conversione venga fatta all'uso non so che tipo di workflow tecnico preveda ma credo sia qualcosa di interno tra XAPO e un servizio della Visa. |
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