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481  Economy / Securities / Re: {Bakewell} Get an equitable stake in a transparent & growing mining company on: December 11, 2012, 08:32:19 PM
Nefario has sent me shareholder information over the last few days.

I have compiled the lists sent to me and compared them against the private sales that were made and the shareholders claims that came in.
As of today all shares are accounted for on the lists Nefario sent me.


This is great news.


I will be pursuing a resisting at https://btct.co/

This is even better news!  Cheesy

I'm glad to see the operation continuing. And I will offer my help with the transition, if you need it (I'm sure you won't).

On a personal note, it was "not cool" when you locked the thread. With the history of open communication that you have had here, I was surprised that you would just give up, and quit.....

I must inform you that at this time you should probably consider the GLBSE listed asset BAKEWELL a loss.
You all have my apologies.

... instead of continue your open dialogue here.


Anyway, keep us informed on the progress. And thanks for looking out for all your shareholder's interests.
482  Economy / Securities / Re: NASTY MINING on: December 10, 2012, 11:51:20 PM
I don't think those are mined coins. I think that is just an actual donation to the website creator - nonnakip

nonnakip takes no donations. Those are for the club.


Well, I stand corrected. And that is awesome.
483  Economy / Securities / Re: NASTY MINING on: December 10, 2012, 11:41:36 PM
There is also a page on the fan club that shows mined coins, or you can watch 1EwtTKJaXAtctSFqCQKU3LiCg9dqYPEkxN


I don't think those are mined coins. I think that is just an actual donation to the website creator - nonnakip



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nastyfans rocks! Can I donate to the fanclub?
Sure! Donations for nastyfans should be sent here: 1EwtTKJaXAtctSFqCQKU3LiCg9dqYPEkxN
484  Economy / Securities / Re: NASTY MINING on: December 10, 2012, 10:52:19 PM
Will we receive one big dividend for that?

No, but we got another BFL FPGA.
485  Economy / Securities / Re: list complete on: December 10, 2012, 09:42:14 PM
I sent e-mail to all on the list. If you did not get e-mail then PM OgNasty. We will wait some time for accounts to be activated. Then we see how many seats are unclaimed.

Yep, got my email.

BUT, I honestly do not remember how many shares seats I had, so I rounded to the nearest 10 seats when creating my account. I'm sure the list you have also has the correct number.
486  Economy / Securities / Re: NASTY MINING on: December 10, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
Issuing unregistered securities is illegal whether on glbse or someplace else. It doesnt matter what platform you use.
Whoa, can someone ... no actually, can OgNasty please give a detailed description of what exactly is going on?


Nasty has created a "Fan Club" of Nasty Mining. There's no "securities" here. Only "seats" in the fan club.

Every once in a while... maybe every week, a special donation will be made to everyone who has seats in the fan club. The biggest fans "probably, maybe, sort of, .etc" get more donations. The biggest fans are measured solely on how many seats they have in the fan club.

Check in on the fan club and make changes to your seats at the website set up by nonnakip.

I hope that clears up any confusion of what happened to your part Nasty Mining.



By the way, I am still waiting for my email. And I also don't particularly like how the Nasty Fan Club is progressing, but its better than nothing.
487  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Gamma SatoshiDICE Pass Through on: December 06, 2012, 08:26:22 PM
I have now received the list from Nefario and I will be working towards sending out an email to each investor this weekend Smiley
//DeaDTerra

Great news.

Thanks for working on this.
488  Economy / Securities / Re: [NASTY MINING] on: December 06, 2012, 06:29:28 PM
As far as I remember, there were only approximately 7000 outstanding shares around the time GLBSE closed, although 25,000 shares had been issued (but not sold), and I believe the dividends were being split amongst the 7000 outstanding shares.

I'm a little confused as to how to calculate my own stake - if I have X shares, do I own 100% * X/7000 or 100% * X/25000?

Can someone explain: issued vs. outstanding, and what it means for the average nastymining fan?

Shares outstanding are shares sold on the open market (or otherwise in the hands of share holders).
Shares issued are the total number of shares the stock exchange granted to the asset manager.

Here is a scenario: If you manage an asset and plan to sell 1000 shares, but want the opportunity to sell more in the future, you setup your contract with 1000000 shares. And then only sell what you need. Then as the asset grows (more equipment, hash/s, etc.) you can sells more share with out having to re-structure the whole contract.

So to answer your question, you dividend should be based on the number of shares outstanding.
489  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] BTC-GOLD: 100 shares = 1 gram gold bullion on: December 05, 2012, 11:43:45 PM
I would still like more input on the issue of grams versus troy ounces.

And to make it easier, I will put it up to a sudo vote.

Here are the two options:

Grams
Currently, the default would be to release the shares in grams where 100 shares = 1 gram.
At current BTC/USD prices, each share would be about 0.035 - 0.060 BTC (price subject to change based on a number of factors).
The minimum number of shares to withdraw physical bullion would be 500 shares = 5 grams (plus fees, shipping, etc.)

Troy Ounces
If we go with troy ounces, 1000 shares = 1 troy ounce.
At current BTC/USD prices, each share would be about 0.13 - 0.16 BTC (price subject to change based on a number of factors).
The minimum number of shares to withdraw physical bullion would be 250 shares  = .25 ounces (plus fees, shipping, etc.)



As you can see, going with troy ounces would make the share price much higher. Bullion overhead at 1/4 ounce is still pretty high (and already include in the share prices). The bullion overhead drops significantly at 1 ounce bars/rounds AND at 10 gram bars; but this might exclude some (casual) investors from ever being able to take physical delivery. Should the withdraw quota be 1 troy ounce OR 10 grams?

Again, I still have time to revise the asset contract. These changes can be implemented. But I need to know if there will be enough interest to justify making any of the proposed changes. I want to provide an asset that makes affording gold bullion accessible to everyone.

Please make you opinion matter. Increase you post count and let me know what you think.
490  Economy / Securities / Re: [NASTY MINING] on: December 05, 2012, 10:31:36 PM
The list has been received! 98.15% of the shares are accounted for. The final question to address is if we should proceed with this list, or hold off and see if GLBSE provides a more complete list before moving forward.

I'm sure 98.15% would vote to move forward, but I can wait a bit longer. We've already waited this long.
491  Economy / Securities / Re: {Bakewell} Get an equitable stake in a transparent & growing mining company on: December 03, 2012, 06:11:34 PM
The Litecoin community seems small but is growing, and with the litecoin stock exchange, a possibility of spinning off a BAKEWELL subsidiary (BAKEWELL-LTC?) group exists.
Not sure if much demand would exist for a LTC clone of BAKEWELL tho.
[snip]
(spin off gives us LTC we can convert to BTC as well, its just not a total liquidation, we would leave some equity behind in return for the ownership stake in BAKEWELL-LTC)

Thoughts & Opinions?


Many miners (predicatively) switched to Litecoin when the Bitcoin reward halved.
This, in turn, skyrocketed the Litecoin diff to more than double--overnight. As miners found out that Litecoin is not profitable because of the high Diff, they are now leaving.

The Litecoin community is a up-and-coming scene (full disclosure, again: I am a Global Mod at LitecoinTalk forums).

To be honest though, the few mining assets on the Litecoin Global Exchange are not performing well. BUT this is for the same reason that Bitcoin mining bonds stopped performing well... they are mining bonds.

BAKEWELL-LTC would be the first Litecoin mining company in which shareholders own the equipment as well. This would be a boon to investors.
 
The fact that BAKEWELL can mine with free electricity is a huge benefit. It allows for mining possibilities that other setups couldn't possibly consider.

I would definitely consider BAKEWELL-LTC. Numbers would have to be run to see potential profits and the ability/feasibility to expand operations. But I have a good feeling overall. If you were to do a BAKEWELL-LTC I would keep everything LTC. Burnside might even have a way to "import" shareholders from BAKEWELL if you plan to spin-off operations.
492  Economy / Securities / Re: {Bakewell} Get an equitable stake in a transparent & growing mining company on: December 01, 2012, 02:03:59 PM
Also, does anyone know the equation I would use to work out how much BTC should have been earned if mining 24/7 with 2400Mhash/s from Oct.3 until now (@ 50btc so with a 3% fee)?
this may be problematic because of variability ("pool luck").

I thought 50BTC (ironic name now) is a straight PPS pool. Wouldn't this make calculating daily payouts easier as a there is no variance on PPS pools?
493  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] BTC-GOLD: 100 shares = 1 gram gold bullion on: November 30, 2012, 08:29:10 PM
Grams or fractions of grams are still most likely your best bet, you can keep holdings and shares in increments of 10, and don't have to worry about ounce/troy ounce conversions or those pesky extra weight increments like 31.1 grams/troy oz.

Remember, shares will always be in the unit of measure. Meaning each share will be 1/100 gram with gram bullion or 1/1000 ounce with ounce bullion. I won't mix ounce bullion with gram shares.


I know you have had success in the LTC market here, but now keep in mind, you may be able to do larger share sizes, as Bitcoin holds a higher value. where you may be paying 10 LTC for a 1/100th gram share, you would be paying .05 BTC per share.  

The price per share will always reflect the USD/BTC price per unit of bullion. I expect share prices to be bitcents.
494  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] BTC-GOLD: 100 shares = 1 gram gold bullion on: November 30, 2012, 08:03:47 PM
On grams/oz.

Isn't there an obvious basis to decide which to use - what the gold you buy is measured in.  If you're buying 5g bars then use grams.  If 1oz bars then use oz.  The gold you buy needs to ideally be an exact multiple of the value of a share - so anyone wanting to trade in knows a round number of shares they need (not 500 shares + an extra payment equivalen to 0.31 of a share or whatever).

Or is that putting the cart before the horse?


The nice thing is, I have a 5 gram bar to ready to go, but I can also have troy ounce bullion (or fractional ounce) delivered as well.
I have time to change the contract to ounces or keep using grams all the way up until the first share is sold. I don't mind buying one way or the other.

And yes, each share will always be a fraction of the unit of measure.

Thing is everyone that's serious about buying AU is going to run the numbers and the numbers have to be compared to gold bullion which is of course sold in Ozt. Sucks, but there it is and there's no escape. Smiley Couldn't you do a fraction of an Ozt just as easily to keep the cost of a single unit down?

0.01 grams OR perhaps 0.001 troy ounces.
Having each share = to 1/1000 of an ounce still achieves my goal of affordable shares.


Any other opinions out there? Is troy ounces a good idea? Do you not care at all? Feedback is welcome.



495  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] BTC-GOLD: 100 shares = 1 gram gold bullion on: November 30, 2012, 07:26:41 PM
Congrats! Good luck on the launch!
[snip]
You get my vote.

Thank you.


can an investor be assured then that you won't double sell AU denominated in LTC and BTC?

Absolutely. This is addressed in the FAQs section (second post). The BTC and LTC assets will maintain separate bullion deposits and will never intermix.

The BTC-GOLD bullion deposit and shares released spreadsheet is maintained here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqLxDN0JzEUNdE9vNG1zZWlrUTIwbFhrZzVtSUowc3c

I too wish you'd define shares around fractions of an Ozt rather than bringing grams into it, as it gets rather messy, but it's a minor concern.

This was a tough decision to make. One of the goals of this fund is to make owning gold bullion affordable to the masses. I had to find out a way to make share prices that are easy enough for the "average" person to afford, while at the same time maintaining a unit that is easy to figure out exactly how much bullion you own according to the share you have.

Making a share affordable:
With the price of gold so high, dividing one troy ounce even by a factor of 100 makes the individual share price higher than I was planning for.
With each share being .01 grams, each share price is about 31 times less expensive (or 31 times more affordable, if that's how you look at it).

Less confusing:
Troy ounces are the world's standard in precious metals. But like imperial measurements, ounces are just weird to people unfamiliar with it. And troy ounces are different from the avoirdupois ounce (which is used in the USA) just to make things more confusing.

However, I would like to hear more opinions on this issue. If you (yes you! anyone reading this post) find this fund intriguing, but would rather have ounces over grams; please reply and voice your thoughts.
There is still time to change the asset contract.


496  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] BTC-GOLD: 100 shares = 1 gram gold bullion on: November 30, 2012, 05:36:01 PM
After months of glbse garbage. I am finally able to release this asset on btct.co.

After approval and shipment of the first bar of gold bullion, shares will be released.
497  Economy / Securities / Re: {Bakewell} Get an equitable stake in a transparent & growing mining company on: November 29, 2012, 10:58:01 PM
A few options exist to relist, still not sure what the best option would be, and everywhere has really low volume - I guess investing in bitcoin land is killed now?


I would be very happy to see BAKEWELL continue on https://btct.co/


We would need to win some sort of popularity contest or somesuch to get onto btct.co but I'll look into it more, it seems to be the most recommended around the forum and easiest to get involved with.

On the upside, should we take a new listing somewhere, it gives us the opportunity to address some of the problems we had on the GLBSE (thinking back to the ceiling problem and lots of shares on the market)


I know how btct.co works, because I manage an asset on burnside's Litecoin Global's exchange (and btct.co is just a copy-n-paste of that).

It's true the when a new asset is listed on btct.co, your asset is approved by umm.. lets call them "asset moderators" (full disclosure: I am one).
Here's how it works:
  • You sign up, list your asset.
  • The moderators take a look at your asset contract, your history (from forums, irc, whatever) and then give a YES or NO vote.
  • Once you get 5 YES votes, your asset is approved and trading can begin.
Burnside did this so that assets approvals are not in his hands (although I'm sure he is a moderator as well).



Other benefits of btct.co:
  • Speed. Burside developed the exchange with speed in mind and continues in that direction.
  • Community Involvement. Burnside is actively involved with the community. He listens to all suggestions and implements the best ones
  • Registered as an actual company in Beleize
  • As a asset issuer/manager, you will be emailed all shareholder info (as of right now) at least twice a day. This email includes the email address of all shareholders and how many shares they own--just in case.
  • I heard burnside is "going easy" on previous GLBSE asset issuers and might reduce or even refund the asset creation fee.
498  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Gamma SatoshiDICE Pass Through on: November 27, 2012, 08:46:39 PM
So you don't plan to offer transferring to CoinBr.com account?

Once Nefario has released all the shareholder info,
I would rather the pass through be moved to burnside's https://btct.co
OR liquidate the assets.

Of course, I'm speaking as someone who does not have an MPEX account (or else why would I use a pass through?).
499  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [60 GH/s] HHTT - User Selected Share Difficulty/PPS/Paid Stales on: November 27, 2012, 05:16:32 PM
Fireduck should increase the fees until he is back in the black. Put it up to 5 percent for a month. I'll pay it.

Well let's not get crazy here!

I'd pay 4.9% to get the pool back up on it's feet.
500  Economy / Securities / Re: [NASTY MINING] on: November 20, 2012, 03:22:14 PM
I have still not received a list from GLBSE.

I hope it comes soon.


If you plan on continuing operations with a new exchange, I would highly recommend https://btct.co/
burnside has spent a lot of time on the Litecoin version of his exchange (where I manage an asset), and has now just released the BTC side.
Burnside got a lawyer, and registered it in Belize.
As a standard feature, you will be emailed all shareholder information on a routine basis--just in case. And, it's not slow!
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