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481  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 24, 2014, 02:48:37 AM
I suppose that there is no training or exam required in order to trade at Bitstamp, right?  One can learn by doing?
All I need to do is open an account, transfer in my 500,000 BTC, click on random buttons and see what happens; right? 
 Wink  <-------- just in case.

It's easier if you send coins to an experienced trader like me. I'll let you know your results in 2 weeks.
482  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 24, 2014, 02:39:32 AM
So what is this persons strategy?

this is "old school" Bitcoin trading. The trick is, the price will move in the direction of the huge wall. He's getting people to set their sells lower and lower. He inches his wall down, then BOOM, he'll put the wall much lower and buy up everything in between for cheap, raising the price, catching bears off guard. At least, that's one way the game was played at lower prices on Gox.
483  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 24, 2014, 01:39:41 AM
LITECOIN is ready to assume its place as the top-dog as its beeing used by decent poeple not [...] speculators
Lol so many things wrong with this I don't know where to begin

crazy is as crazy does
484  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Keiser Report: Bitcoin - Resistance Starts Here! (E516) on: February 24, 2014, 01:00:55 AM
I do not approve this report.
485  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: If BTC-e.com rapped a young girl, would everyone STILL turn a blind eye? on: February 24, 2014, 01:00:14 AM
OP, will you be watching next week's episode of "Ow, My Balls!" on TV?
486  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 24, 2014, 12:30:37 AM
I will just note that the video seems to have been produced for the already converted.  It uses the bitcoiner slang "fiat" to refer to ordinary money, for example; that will send frissons down the spine of the faithful, but should be lost on the common folk that the bank aims to (aehm) attract, no?

The already converted likely don't have much desire for a Bitcoin bank. And you don't need to keep air-quoting fiat. Government decreed currencies are fiat money.
487  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 23, 2014, 10:35:16 PM
End of Chinese Slumber Stuff.  Stop skipping posts.

Jorge, please tell all your friends especially in Latin America (Bitcoin's final frontier) to sell all they own and put it into Bitcoin. I just learned it's going to go up 1000X. Just between us, buddy. Shhh....
http://www.bit-sky.com/index.php/english/370-chinese-corrupted-officers-will-push-bitcoin-price-up-1000-times
488  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 23, 2014, 10:31:59 AM
From their FAQ, is this strictly true?
"Bitcoin is a free software project with no central authority, with no entry fees and no gain from anyone."

Miners by definition keep fees. Gavin gets a salary to develop Bitcoin.
But Bitcoin gets nothing.

Cheer up, sad Bitcoin. PayPal's software doesn't get anything either.
489  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 23, 2014, 10:17:52 AM
Neo & Bee have got their new website live in anticipation of tomorrows opening.

You should check it out.
http://www.neo-bee.com/index.php/en/

Whether you think having a BTC-bank is a good idea or not, you should agree this is going to be a new marker in path the to adoption.

From their FAQ, is this strictly true?
"Bitcoin is a free software project with no central authority, with no entry fees and no gain from anyone."

Miners by definition keep fees. Gavin gets a salary to develop Bitcoin.
490  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 23, 2014, 10:10:29 AM

I wonder if I can hop a free ride in the wheel well? It's all I can afford, and I would love to see the moon this time of year.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/15/us/dulles-body-found-airplane/
491  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 23, 2014, 07:12:06 AM
When an internet store does that sort of thing, don't we call it a scam site?

I'd personally rather wait until Gox actually defaults, disappears or gets sued into jail before I call it a scam. Perhaps you're not familiar with the Butterfly Labs rigmarole?
492  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 23, 2014, 01:53:54 AM
The only conclusions I can come up with as to why Mark wouldn't hire more knowledgeable help are:
1) paralyzing paranoia
2) paralyzing thriftiness
3) fear of discovery of some misdeed

#1 seems unlikely but reasonable. His company has his hands on untold treasures. Bitcoin is still a treacherous community.
I'd rule out #2 in all seriousness because there are cheaper coffee brands.
#3 seems frighteningly the most possible to me.

Hubris, messiah complex...
Or he could just be fucking retarded.

OK, there's three more possibilities I missed... We may be able to rule out retarded as there is video of him speaking cogently I presume?
493  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 23, 2014, 01:50:48 AM
Seriously though: by allowing deposits while suspending withdrawals, MtGOX became a scam site in my book.

Definitely shady however there appears to be actual evidence Gox is attempting to fix their problems; gmax's blockchain analysis appears to show this. While we can speculate scam, and should pay heed, actual evidence seems to show otherwise. Scam claims seems to be circumstantial still.


Any sensible person would flee from MtGOX at the first opportunity.  Yet by posts in this and other threads, many still defend Mark and expect MtGOX to continue trading there once it resumes withdrawals.

I believe he'll fix the issues but I'm not sure the market will be there for him if he does. It's just based on history. He's been sloppy forever but honest, as far as I know, to this point. I don't trade there anymore but use Coinbase to buy and sell now, and am testing Bitfinex with a small amount. Bitfinex seems shady to me but I guess we'll see. So you can see, people who want to trade Bitcoin don't have a ton of options. This is why some may stick with Mark if he comes back from the brink.


I just learned a story about a 'bitcoin investment fund' in a certain Latin American country.  The fund took several thousand coins from clients,  promising large returns in BTC.  Then the owner claimed that the fund had been hacked an all the coins were stolen, and closed the fund.  The clients have not yet received their coins back.

It's bad enough to trust an exchange when trading. It's doubly bad to trust a man in the middle. It's a story played over and over with any investment scenario. Bernie Madoff crushed the dreams of a lot of folks.


What makes the story interesting is that that same person is the owner of that country's main bitcoin exchange.  And his clients see nothing wrong with that. Why is there so much tolerance to dishonesty in the bitcoin community?

Does it have something to do with the libertarian philosophy, in some broad sense of the term? Perhaps those loyal clients think, "The guy is not a scammer, because anyone who lost money to his scam is stupid, and stupid people deserve to lose their money"?

I'm not certain why people seem so easily scammed but I don't believe it's just this community. My opinion is that it may have a tiny bit to do with Libertarianism because their philosophy is that regulation shouldn't come from The State but from the community instead. Correct me where I'm wrong, Libertarians, I believe the hardcore among them prefer the community to "regulate" rogue companies/people. Caveat Emptor reigns. If someone rips you off then you don't do business there again and make sure your neighbors know. So they're willing to show more trust up front often if they haven't heard a reason not to, and that is a scammer's paradise. Shout out to the Bitcoin scammer's go-to ploy: the Pre-Order. Also the community is popular with younger folks who can be more naive concerning the nature of their fellow man.

The nature of Bitcoin as currency sorta flips commerce on its head. Normally we get service first then pay, or we have an intermediary like a credit card company agree to pay if a service provider needs payment first. With Bitcoin service providers want payment first and there is no safety net. It's not common to use escrow with Bitcoin. This leaves a wide window for scams.

This is why I personally don't yet believe Bitcoin will become "the internet's currency" though it is great for face-to-face services where one is unlikely to need reimbursement, like haircuts, restaurants, yadda. It may get used online at places with already established trust, like Overstock or Amazon.

I don't believe stupid people deserve to lose money but there are a lot of wounded birds and only so much gauze and tape. At some point people need to be responsible for their own actions. For example I half expect Bitfinex to abscond at any time so if I lose what I have there you won't hear a complaint from me because I know they look shady. You'll get an earful from lots of others if it happens though because people want some one to blame other than themselves. That's Bitcoin or anything else in this world.
494  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 23, 2014, 12:56:58 AM
Ukrainian government has fallen. President has fled.  

Fled to Kharkiv.  East Ukraine vs. West Ukraine split perhaps?

Yep, he fled off to area where prorussians are majority. That's far from over yet, I'm afraid, specially if Russia gets involved.
I think the important question is, How can we profit from this?

I'd like to announce my new web site: Fleeing-Ex-Leader-Tracking.info. It uses Bitcoin only. Members are provided news and info as I track fleeing ex-leaders. Simple really. Whether its Viktor F. Yanukovych, Francisco Flores or General Pervez Musharraf you'll never need to worry about where your favorite ex-leader might have gone. This month only: 10% off!
495  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 09:32:05 PM
Ukrainian government has fallen. President has fled.  

Must be bullish for Bitcoin. He will need to hide assets, yes?
Edit: upon 3 seconds of reflection I say Bearish instead. Ukraine is near neighbors with Serbia. Regional instability means Bitstamp could close at any moment. My goodness, I am spreading FUD. Someone stop me!
496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 09:31:24 PM
Does someone wanna tell me what the fuck that rally was about?

Fear.

of what?

My friend, fear is the prime motivator of all things in life. The greatest fear of which is generally death. In this case probably the whale's notice that Gox might have been fixed and that someone would buy before him, then others buying for fear of being left behind. Whn price goes down its fear of of the currency's worthlessness.
497  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
Anyone ever go back and read the beginning of this thread? How about adams first post?

Posting guild lines:
 Please lets keep this thread clean. ( I will be removing any off topic posts )
 Do not post random comments on this thread, unless it is directly related to the last wall update (ex. The 20K ask was was NOT sold into, it was removed after being tested)
 

How is that working out?  Grin

Even Adam has said this thread has become more of a lounge for whatever conversations and he's fine with it apparently.
498  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 09:26:10 PM
The sooner this all is over.. the sooner can break that ATH of $1200. $2500 and beyond.

I say the exchanges should get together and just decide to set their price minimum at $2000 and be done with the waiting. Agreed?
499  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 09:25:04 PM
Like all I have seen is someone on reddit say they thought gox has had sent a few btc someplace.

Then Gmaxwell saying they still have no idea wtf they are doing.

It is clear to the developers observing Gox activities that they are working on the problem.  It is however equally clear that they don't appear to be the most reassuringly competent software engineers.  Please note: I'm British - understatement is in our nature. Wink

The only conclusions I can come up with as to why Mark wouldn't hire more knowledgeable help are:
1) paralyzing paranoia
2) paralyzing thriftiness
3) fear of discovery of some misdeed

#1 seems unlikely but reasonable. His company has his hands on untold treasures. Bitcoin is still a treacherous community.
I'd rule out #2 in all seriousness because there are cheaper coffee brands.
#3 seems frighteningly the most possible to me.
500  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 07:19:53 PM
Does someone wanna tell me what the fuck that rally was about?

Fear.
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