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481  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Naked Lunch on: April 11, 2015, 12:44:06 PM
Homophobia

Burroughs suggests someone can be 'made' homosexual by psychological tricks. We now know it is purely genetic, but this attitude reenforced the idea that it was a psychological disorder.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 26
You can make a square heterosex citizen queer with this angle . . .  that is, reinforce and second his rejection of normally latent homosexual trends -- at the same time depriving him of cunt and subjecting him to homosex stimulation.

Misinterpretation.

WSB with this writing is bringing to the heterosex community a better understanding of homo brotheres. We are all as 1 when sitting at the table of the Naked Lunch.

Burroughs constantly falsely associates homosexuality with pedophilia. In this passage he portrays the anal rape of a young boy (in positive terms):

Quote from: Naked Lunch 68
"Stand up and turn around," he orders in telepathic pictographs. He ties the boy's hands behind him with a red silk cord. "Tonight we make it all the way."

"No, no!" screams the boy.

"Yes. Yes."

Misinterpretation.

The boy rape is symbolic of ur all loss of our inner cents as we encounter the junk in adulthood. It is critique of consumersm forced on children by the capitalism. The capitalism takes all our cents away. WSB new this all the way in 1959, long before Marx!

He then goes on to describe a violent sexual encounter between two young Arab boys. A parenthetical remark makes it clear that the author (Burroughs) has experience with the cock of Arab boys. He is writing what he knows. (You still deny he's a pedophile?!?)

Quote from: Naked Lunch 71
The other sighs deeply as Ali slides his cock in. The mouths grind together smearing blood. Sharp musty odor of penetrated rectum. Nimun drive in like a wedge, force jissom out the other cock in long hot spurts. (The author has observed that Arab cocks tend to be wide and wedge shaped.)

Mistranslation.

In the 50s talk, cock only meant rooster not the penis, and the jissom is a spicy sauce. Please read passage again. It is only Arab recipe.

Racism

Burroughs often refers to blacks using the N-word. While this was common in the 1950s, it was also clearly a word used by racists. He seems to relish in referring to the way the American South dealt with unwanted African Americans.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 14
Back through Lake Charles and the dead slot-machine country, south end of Texas, nigger-killing sheriffs look us over and check the car papers.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 159
They burned that ol' nigger over in Cunt Lick. Nigger had the aftosa and it left him stone blind. . . . So this white girl down from Texarkana screeches out:

"Roy, that ol' nigger is looking at me so nasty. Land's sake I feel just dirty all over."

"Now, Sweet Thing, don't you fret yourself. Me an' the boys will burn him."

"Do it slow, Honey Face. Do it slow. He's give me a sick headache."

So they burned the nigger

Here he goes so far as to suggest African Americans are a form of animal, like a cow.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 160
And he plunged into an anecdote about a nigra got the hydrophobia from a cow.

"So my pappy says to me: 'Finish up your chores, son, and let's go see the mad nigger. . . .' They had that nigger chained to the bed, and he was bawling like a cow. . . . I soon got enough of that ol' nigger."

Very Misinterpretation!

Here is WSB reflecting the racist attitudes of the 50s as manner of saying they have bad! These passages are anti-racist!

Here is a passage which is promotes a disgusting stereotype about Jews.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 161
The clerk looked at the card suspiciously: "You don't look like a one feed mast-fed Razor Back to me. . . . What you think about the Jeeeeews . . . ?"

"Well, Mr. Anker, you know yourself all a Jew wants to do is doodle a Christian girl. . . . One of these days we'll cut the rest of it off."

Mistranslation.

This passage does not occur in original Naked Lunch. There are false editions put out by Zionists and this hoax passge is edded by Zionists to gain sympathy. You must read real Naked Lunch!

Some of the worst passages are very Islamophobic. Here Burroughs suggests Mohammed (pbuh) did not even exist!

Quote from: Naked Lunch 104
Mohammed? Are you kidding? He was dreamed up by the Mecca Chamber of Commerce. An Egyptian ad man on the skids from the sauce write the continuity.

Here he promotes conspiratorial thinking about Islam.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 145
The exact objectives of Islam Inc. are obscure. Needless to say everyone involved has a different angle, and they all intend to cross each other up somewhere along the line.

Then he slurs Arabs as ignorant.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 145
Nice folks, these Arabs . . . Nice ignorant folk.

Out of Context.

In context of Lunch all is more clerly. Islam Inc. is not religion of Islam, but secret Benway corporate project. Please reed again.

I wish I could be finished with this section already. It's so sickening. But there are two more examples I felt compelled to include.

This one is Islamophobic with a dash of racism against the Chinese on the side.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 101
A funeral passes through the market. Black coffin -- Arabic inscriptions in filigreed silver -- carried by four pallbearers. Procession of mourners singing the funeral song . . . Clem and Jody fall in beside them carrying coffin, the corpse of a hog bursts out of it. . . . The hog is dressed in a djellaba, a keif pipe juts from its mouth, one hoof holds a packet of feelthy pictures, a mezuzzoth hangs about its neck. . . . Inscribed on the coffin: "This was the noblest Arab of them all."

They sing hideous parody of the funeral song in false Arabic. Jody can do a fake Chinese spiel that'll just kill you -- like a hysterical ventriloquist's dummy. In fact, he precipitated an anti-foreign riot in Shanghai that claimed 3,000 casualties.

"Stand up, Gertie, and show respect for the local gooks."

"I suppose one should."

This one includion by u I find verrry strange. Reeding it makes clear it anti-racist. Says very clearly "show respect for the local gooks." How reed you this as racist?

And finally there is racism mixed with homophobia.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 143-144
When arrested for sodomy in Indonesia, Clem said to the examining magistrate:

"'Tain't as if it was being queer. After all they's only Gooks."

They appeared in Liberia dressed in black Stetsons and red galluses:

"So I shoot that old nigger and he flop on his side one leg up in the air just akicking."

"Yeah, but you ever burn a nigger?"

Out of Context.

Clem and frend are villanous. Excerpt proves this. Not supporting racism and homophobia at all!

Misogyny

Finally we come to the misogyny. Misogynistic words are scattered throughout the text. I'll start with two short examples.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 76
You cheap Factualist bitch!

Quote from: Naked Lunch 80
Cunts, pricks, fence straddlers, tonight I give you -- that international-known impressario of blue movies and short-wave TV, the one, the only, The Great Shlahstubitch!

These quotes combine misogynistic and homophobic slurs.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 136
If your tits won't stop them bring up your cunts and confound these faggots.

Out of Context.

In the context of the lunch, these are showing the strength and power of the female spirits.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 140
Elegant fags and old cunts

Out of Context.

Full quote is:

Quote from: Naked Lunch 140
Elegant fags and old cunts, God damn it! We come to the right place.

Why you leave out the positive part? WSB is promoting support of homos and elderly females, not hate! Some of greatest leeders today are the homos and elderly femals, so just look how much rpogress comes by the Naked Lunch!

In this passage Burroughs describes the result of a father sending his son to a prostitute. At this point the misogyny turns quite violent.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 108
"Well, son, did you get a piece of ass?"

"Yeah. This gash comes to the door, and I say I want a piece of ass and lay the double sawski on her. We go up to her trap, and she remove the dry goods. So I switch my blade and cut a big hunk off her ass, she raise a beef like I am reduce to pull off one shoe and beat her brains out. Then I hump her for kicks."

Misinterpretation.

The intention of passage is to show enherent problem of communication (passing of messages). "Piece of ass" was meant to be sexual congress, but boy has misunderstanding, much like your misundersting of the Lunch.

The following passage is an example that combines condemnation of matriarchy with misinformation about homosexuality. To top it off it ends with an Islamophobic slur.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 34
Remember the Bismarck Achipelago. No overt homosexuality. A functioning police state needs no police. Homosexuality does not occur to anyone as conceivable behavior. . . . Homosexuality is a political crime in a matriarchy. No society tolerates overt rejection of its basic tenets. We aren't a matriarchy here, Insh'allah.


Misinterpretation.

Passage examins how society can function without police, with acceptance of basic tennants of society by all. When occurs, all well be 1. There is no compulsion in the Naked Lunch.

As I am sad u were having such hate, have I also gladness that I can help bring you to true understanding of the Naked Lunch. I am hoping you will open ur eyes to the truth and let go of hatred.
482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Naked Lunch on: April 11, 2015, 11:49:08 AM
Friend, I heeded your wise council and have begnu reading and I find in amazement and wonder these profitic words.

“Couldn't there be more than one Sender?"

"Oh yes, many of them at first. But not for long. Some maudlin citizens will think they can send something edifying, not realizing that sending is evil. Scientists will say: 'Sending is like atomic power.... If properly harnessed.' ”

Excerpt From: William S. Burroughs. “Naked Lunch.” iBooks.




PREDICTION OF THE INTERNET AND THE SENDING OF MESSAGES!



And again have you very much correctness within your words. BURROGHS new of INTERNET and the miriculs of TPC IP long before discovery by the modern science and wrote of it already more than 50 Year Ago! Wonders do not seas!
483  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Naked Lunch on: April 11, 2015, 11:45:03 AM
(sigh) I did not want to spend time doing this, but since I'm being accussed of lying, here's the evidence.

Trigger Warning: Seriously homophobic, racist and misogynistic language is used. I ordinarily would not use these words, but I think it's important to quote Burroughs' exact words. I am not making any of this up. These quotes are actually in the book Naked Lunch. There are many more examples I did not include. If you are emotionally effected by this kind of language you probably should skip this post.

Homophobia

Burroughs suggests someone can be 'made' homosexual by psychological tricks. We now know it is purely genetic, but this attitude reenforced the idea that it was a psychological disorder.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 26
You can make a square heterosex citizen queer with this angle . . .  that is, reinforce and second his rejection of normally latent homosexual trends -- at the same time depriving him of cunt and subjecting him to homosex stimulation.

Burroughs constantly falsely associates homosexuality with pedophilia. In this passage he portrays the anal rape of a young boy (in positive terms):

Quote from: Naked Lunch 68
"Stand up and turn around," he orders in telepathic pictographs. He ties the boy's hands behind him with a red silk cord. "Tonight we make it all the way."

"No, no!" screams the boy.

"Yes. Yes."

He then goes on to describe a violent sexual encounter between two young Arab boys. A parenthetical remark makes it clear that the author (Burroughs) has experience with the cock of Arab boys. He is writing what he knows. (You still deny he's a pedophile?!?)

Quote from: Naked Lunch 71
The other sighs deeply as Ali slides his cock in. The mouths grind together smearing blood. Sharp musty odor of penetrated rectum. Nimun drive in like a wedge, force jissom out the other cock in long hot spurts. (The author has observed that Arab cocks tend to be wide and wedge shaped.)

Racism

Burroughs often refers to blacks using the N-word. While this was common in the 1950s, it was also clearly a word used by racists. He seems to relish in referring to the way the American South dealt with unwanted African Americans.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 14
Back through Lake Charles and the dead slot-machine country, south end of Texas, nigger-killing sheriffs look us over and check the car papers.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 159
They burned that ol' nigger over in Cunt Lick. Nigger had the aftosa and it left him stone blind. . . . So this white girl down from Texarkana screeches out:

"Roy, that ol' nigger is looking at me so nasty. Land's sake I feel just dirty all over."

"Now, Sweet Thing, don't you fret yourself. Me an' the boys will burn him."

"Do it slow, Honey Face. Do it slow. He's give me a sick headache."

So they burned the nigger

Here he goes so far as to suggest African Americans are a form of animal, like a cow.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 160
And he plunged into an anecdote about a nigra got the hydrophobia from a cow.

"So my pappy says to me: 'Finish up your chores, son, and let's go see the mad nigger. . . .' They had that nigger chained to the bed, and he was bawling like a cow. . . . I soon got enough of that ol' nigger."

Here is a passage which is promotes a disgusting stereotype about Jews.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 161
The clerk looked at the card suspiciously: "You don't look like a one feed mast-fed Razor Back to me. . . . What you think about the Jeeeeews . . . ?"

"Well, Mr. Anker, you know yourself all a Jew wants to do is doodle a Christian girl. . . . One of these days we'll cut the rest of it off."

Some of the worst passages are very Islamophobic. Here Burroughs suggests Mohammed (pbuh) did not even exist!

Quote from: Naked Lunch 104
Mohammed? Are you kidding? He was dreamed up by the Mecca Chamber of Commerce. An Egyptian ad man on the skids from the sauce write the continuity.

Here he promotes conspiratorial thinking about Islam.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 145
The exact objectives of Islam Inc. are obscure. Needless to say everyone involved has a different angle, and they all intend to cross each other up somewhere along the line.

Then he slurs Arabs as ignorant.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 145
Nice folks, these Arabs . . . Nice ignorant folk.

I wish I could be finished with this section already. It's so sickening. But there are two more examples I felt compelled to include.

This one is Islamophobic with a dash of racism against the Chinese on the side.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 101
A funeral passes through the market. Black coffin -- Arabic inscriptions in filigreed silver -- carried by four pallbearers. Procession of mourners singing the funeral song . . . Clem and Jody fall in beside them carrying coffin, the corpse of a hog bursts out of it. . . . The hog is dressed in a djellaba, a keif pipe juts from its mouth, one hoof holds a packet of feelthy pictures, a mezuzzoth hangs about its neck. . . . Inscribed on the coffin: "This was the noblest Arab of them all."

They sing hideous parody of the funeral song in false Arabic. Jody can do a fake Chinese spiel that'll just kill you -- like a hysterical ventriloquist's dummy. In fact, he precipitated an anti-foreign riot in Shanghai that claimed 3,000 casualties.

"Stand up, Gertie, and show respect for the local gooks."

"I suppose one should."

And finally there is racism mixed with homophobia.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 143-144
When arrested for sodomy in Indonesia, Clem said to the examining magistrate:

"'Tain't as if it was being queer. After all they's only Gooks."

They appeared in Liberia dressed in black Stetsons and red galluses:

"So I shoot that old nigger and he flop on his side one leg up in the air just akicking."

"Yeah, but you ever burn a nigger?"

Ugh.

Misogyny

Finally we come to the misogyny. Misogynistic words are scattered throughout the text. I'll start with two short examples.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 76
You cheap Factualist bitch!

Quote from: Naked Lunch 80
Cunts, pricks, fence straddlers, tonight I give you -- that international-known impressario of blue movies and short-wave TV, the one, the only, The Great Shlahstubitch!

Here is a little "joke" combining misogyny with transphobia. Disgusting.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 78
And now gentlemen -- I trust there are no transvestites present -- he he -- and you are all gentlemen by act of Congress it being only remain to establish you male humans, positively no Transitionals in either direction will be allowed in this decent hall.

These quotes combine misogynistic and homophobic slurs.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 136
If your tits won't stop them bring up your cunts and confound these faggots.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 140
Elegant fags and old cunts

Again, this passage can be seen as both homophobic and misogynistic. I include it here because it's clear that he's suggesting females are the "weaker" sex.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 79
Fag Baboon dressed in little girl blue dress sings in resigned voice to tune of Alice Blue Gown: "I'm the weakest baboon of them all."

In this passage Burroughs describes the result of a father sending his son to a prostitute. At this point the misogyny turns quite violent.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 108
"Well, son, did you get a piece of ass?"

"Yeah. This gash comes to the door, and I say I want a piece of ass and lay the double sawski on her. We go up to her trap, and she remove the dry goods. So I switch my blade and cut a big hunk off her ass, she raise a beef like I am reduce to pull off one shoe and beat her brains out. Then I hump her for kicks."

The following passage is an example that combines condemnation of matriarchy with misinformation about homosexuality. To top it off it ends with an Islamophobic slur.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 34
Remember the Bismarck Achipelago. No overt homosexuality. A functioning police state needs no police. Homosexuality does not occur to anyone as conceivable behavior. . . . Homosexuality is a political crime in a matriarchy. No society tolerates overt rejection of its basic tenets. We aren't a matriarchy here, Insh'allah.


I apologize again for having to expose you to this vile language, but what Burroughs has written in his book Naked Lunch was unacceptable in 1959 and is unacceptable today. Fortunately we live in a somewhat more enlightened time and people who say the kinds of things he said are now largely rejected from polite society. I have no idea why the OP is trying to push this absolutely sick bigot and his writings onto the people of this forum.

Yuo understand no.  It is necesaary to translate from the two languages to udnerstand.  First the 50s talk becomes 2015 talk, then is clear what means.

Indeeed you have this very correct. People do not no the Naked Lunch must in 50s talk read. Otherwise misinterpretations have mustnecessary.

I have sadly to be spending my morning redding such misunderstandings as beatophobe writes. Why soo much hate?
484  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Naked Lunch on: April 10, 2015, 04:28:13 PM
This is so offensive! Till now I have only lurked here, but this! Do you even know anything about this book Naked Lunch or its horrible author William S. Burroughs?!?

What can be your problem with Burroughs and the Naked Lunch? It is pure word of TRUTH given by messenger Burroughs.

Seriously? Burroughs was a notorious pedophile. There's a lot of pedophilia in that book. Not only that, the false portrayal of homosexuality in that book likely set back LGBPTTQQIIAA+ rights back by...who knows how many decades!

Then there's the racism. Naked Lunch in particular contains many passages portraying people of color in awful contexts using incredibly offensive language. Unacceptable.

Last but certainly not least, there's the misogyny. In the book he once refers to females as "two holed freaks". Seriously? You think that's OK?

Do you really want me to start posting quotes from Naked Lunch backing this up? Because you know they're in there.

Oh, and top off the misogyny in the book, there's the fact that in his real life:

He shot his wife in the head!

a crime for which there was never any justice.

And you're holding him up as a "messenger of truth"? Err. So frustrated! Don't fall for this people!

I am sorry to be reading that you are feeling such things. I can assure you and everyone there is NOT ONE WORD of Naked Lunch supporting the bad things. Naked Lunch is in many ways the ORIGIN of what we in modern world call Social Justice.

Burroughs was not pedophile, those are bad rumors. You must please read more and educte yourself. Maybe it is infleunce of media that tells you such false stories about messenger Burroughs.

The shooting of his wife was accident, and he did struggled with this misfortune all his days.

Please to be educating yourself and not believing those spreading the lies.
485  Other / Politics & Society / Re: palestinazis & Israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 04:22:33 PM
Yes. Both the Arabs and the Jews have weapons and are willing to use them. This is a balanced view.

I posted the Hamas picture because the previous picture showed an Jew pointing a gun at a defiant Arab with armed only with a camera. That is an unbalanced view. It's a false narrative that much of the world wants to push, for reasons already made clear.
486  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Naked Lunch on: April 10, 2015, 03:18:25 PM
This is so offensive! Till now I have only lurked here, but this! Do you even know anything about this book Naked Lunch or its horrible author William S. Burroughs?!?

What can be your problem with Burroughs and the Naked Lunch? It is pure word of TRUTH given by messenger Burroughs.
487  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
the clear standard is the right to self determination. all saudi citizens have rights in their country. most palestinians living under israeli rule don't.

I am not a big fan of Saudi Arabia. But you can't compare Israel with Saudi Arabia. The Saudis never kicked out anyone and invaded their land.

The worshippers of hundreds of preIslamic Arabian gods who were forced to convert to Islam when Mecca was invaded. Their idols were ejected from the Kaaba and destroyed in one of those famously peaceful acts of multicultural tolerance Muslims are famous for. The occupation continues to this day.

I don't want to intrude this topic, however, just clarifying this part. If you want, it can be discussed further in Wilikon's thread about Islam.

Quote
...
They thronged to this place annually and worshipped their personal gods, It was over Four Thousand years later that the last of the line of prophet (S), Muhammad Ibne Abdullah entered Makka triumphantly, went inside the Ka’aba and, with the help of his cousin and son in law ‘Ali Ibne Abi Talib, (as) destroyed all the idols of Ka’aba with their own hands.

Thanks for confirming this is what happened.
488  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & Israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 01:21:21 PM
One photo worth more than thousand words :

Well, that is a good point. The Palestinians are well known for relying on video cameras instead of violence. The fact that they're teaching their children to resist peacefully provides hope that peace may yet come if only the Israelis will put down their evil Jew guns and welcome their pacific Palestinian brothers.

[img ]http://s22.postimg.org/rig4y5x35/gaza_hamas_children.jpg[/img]

Hamas Charter: For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave, so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory prevails. Thus we shall perceive them approaching in the horizon, and this will be known before long: “Allah has decreed: Lo! I very shall conquer, I and my messenger, lo! Allah is strong, almighty.”

hamas doesn't represent all the palestinien, like jews does not represent all the israelien. "Thus we shall perceive them approaching in the horizon, and this will be known before long: “Allah has decreed: Lo! I very shall conquer, I and my messenger, lo! Allah is strong, almighty.”  Can you give me the link when you copied this two lines?

Hamas won an election. (One man! One vote! One time!) They're certainly not a fringe group.

Here's the link to the Hamas Charter:

http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html?chocaid=397

It's at the end of the Introduction. Let me know if you dispute that this is or was the Hamas Charter.

Now, see everyone. When someone asks a question or makes a specific point, I tend to respond to that question or point. Strange isn't it? Maybe you should see if you detect a pattern in the nature of my responses. Like, maybe if someone's just trolling by ignoring everything I write and just repeating the same "isreal invadud Palistinan!" bullshit, I think they're not worth responding to respectfully, like they're gelatinous mass incapable of coherent thought.
489  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 01:06:10 PM
One photo worth more than thousand words :

Well, that is a good point. The Palestinians are well known for relying on video cameras instead of violence. The fact that they're teaching their children to resist peacefully provides hope that peace may yet come if only the Israelis will put down their evil Jew guns and welcome their pacific Palestinian brothers.



Hamas Charter: For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave, so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory prevails. Thus we shall perceive them approaching in the horizon, and this will be known before long: “Allah has decreed: Lo! I very shall conquer, I and my messenger, lo! Allah is strong, almighty.”
490  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 12:49:19 PM


Here's a map with the Muslim population of England in 2011 I found at Wikipedia. I could easily make similar maps for 1947 and 1967. We know what it will look like. Is it an invasion of England? At what pacific point will it qualify as an "invasion"?

Here's some stats on the cities in Europe with large Muslim populations. Are any of them being invaded based on your criteria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population

Amsterdam     Netherlands    14%,[8] 24%[7]
Antwerp     Belgium    16.9%[9]
Barcelona     Spain    
Berlin     Germany    6%,[10] 9%,[11]
Birmingham     UK    14.3%,[7] 15%,[4][5][12] 26.9%[13]
Blackburn     UK    28.4%[13]
Bradford     UK    15%,[12] 32.4%[13]
Brussels     Belgium    15%,[4][5][12] 17%,[7][14] 25.5%[15]
Cologne     Germany    12%[16][17][18]
Copenhagen     Denmark    7%[4][5][12]
Frankfurt     Germany    11.8%[19]
Haskovo     Bulgaria    20%
Leicester     UK    18.6%[13]
London     UK    8.3%,[20] 8.5%,[7] 10%,[4][5][12] 13.1%[13]
Luton     UK    24.6%[21]
Malmö     Sweden    20%[4][12]
Manchester     UK    15.8%[13]
Marseille     France    20%,[7][12] 25%,[4][5][22] 35%[23]
Milan     Italy    7% - 10%
Paris     France    10%,[4] 15%[5][12] (10-15% in metro area)[7][22]
Rotterdam     Netherlands    13%[7] 25%[4]
Roubaix     France    20%[24]
Slough     UK    23.3%[13]
Stockholm     Sweden    20%
The Hague     Netherlands    14.2%
Utrecht     Netherlands    13.2%
Vienna     Austria    8%[7] 10%[4]
491  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 12:33:24 PM
do you know that israel is still invading the Palestine lands or not? I don't like the israeli politic about this fact.

Just because you say something doesn't make it a "fact".

Like, I could say I'm fucking your mother's corpse. It wouldn't make it a fact.

So are you saying that israelis are not (continuing) invading the Palestine lands? Then 'I am out"  Roll Eyes it is really impossible to make a pacific conversation with you. Have a nice day and I don't want to put you in my ignore list (I prefer to read all the comment made by you). An ultimate thing: Here I'm not the nazi, maybe someone else... but not me Wink.

Israelis didn't "invade," but keep fucking that corpse. Maybe someday we can have a "pacific" conversation when you're drowning in the Pacific Ocean.

Are you really serious? Or just kidding?




Do those maps show an invading army or does it show the result of immigration? [Hint: It's immigration.] Why do you hate immigrants? Are you one of those people who thinks the Muslims are invading Western countries today just because they want to move there and live a better life? Not very pacific of you.
492  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 12:31:44 PM
Like, I could say I'm fucking your mother's corpse. It wouldn't make it a fact.

I am not joking, your family must be really proud of you.

Hey, don't bring my family into this!

the clear standard is the right to self determination. all saudi citizens have rights in their country. most palestinians living under israeli rule don't.

I am not a big fan of Saudi Arabia. But you can't compare Israel with Saudi Arabia. The Saudis never kicked out anyone and invaded their land.

The worshippers of hundreds of preIslamic Arabian gods who were forced to convert to Islam when Mecca was invaded. Their idols were ejected from the Kaaba and destroyed in one of those famously peaceful acts of multicultural tolerance Muslims are famous for. The occupation continues to this day.
493  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 12:24:53 PM
do you know that israel is still invading the Palestine lands or not? I don't like the israeli politic about this fact.

Just because you say something doesn't make it a "fact".

Like, I could say I'm fucking your mother's corpse. It wouldn't make it a fact.

So are you saying that israelis are not (continuing) invading the Palestine lands? Then 'I am out"  Roll Eyes it is really impossible to make a pacific conversation with you. Have a nice day and I don't want to put you in my ignore list (I prefer to read all the comment made by you). An ultimate thing: Here I'm not the nazi, maybe someone else... but not me Wink.

Israelis didn't "invade," but keep fucking that corpse. Maybe someday we can have a "pacific" conversation when you're drowning in the Pacific Ocean.
494  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Naked Lunch on: April 10, 2015, 12:15:32 PM
Miracle #2: 

Orbits

While referring to the Willy and the Disk in the Naked Lunch, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.

"Willy has a round, disk mouth lined with sensitive, erectile black hairs. He is blind from shooting in the eyeball, his nose and palate eaten away sniffing H, his body a mass of scar tissue hard and dry as wood. He can only eat the shit now with that mouth, sometimes sways out on a long tube of ectoplasm, feeling for the silent frequency of junk. He follows my trail all over the city into rooms I move out already, and the fuzz walks in some newlyweds from Sioux Falls.."

It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Disk is not static but moves in a definite orbit:

"I knew, and everybody else knew they had the Disk on me. And if my kid customers ever hit the stand: 'He force me to commit all kinda awful sex acts in return for junk' I could kiss the street goodbye."



These facts communicated in Naked Lunch have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Disk is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Disk, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Disk also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.

That the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is written in the Naked Lunch as follows:

"I made the round with him once for kicks. You know how old people lose all shame about eating, and it makes you puke to watch them? Old junkies are the same about junk. They gibber and squeal at the sight of it.."

There are about 200 billion galaxies in the universe, consisting of nearly 200 billion stars in each. Most of these stars have planets, and most of those planets have satellites. All of these heavenly bodies move in very precisely computed orbits. For millions of years, each has been "swimming" along in its own orbit in perfect harmony and order with all the others. Moreover, many comets also move along in the orbits determined for them.





The orbits in the universe do not only belong to celestial bodies. The galaxies also travel at enormous speeds in computed, planned orbits. During these movements, none of these celestial bodies cuts across another's path, or collides with another.

Surely at the time the Naked Lunch was revealed, mankind did not possess today's telescopes or advanced observation technologies to observe millions of kilometres of space, nor the modern knowledge of physics or astronomy. Therefore, at that time, it was not possible to determine scientifically that space is "full of paths and orbits" as stated in the verse. However, this was openly declared to us in Naked Lunch that was revealed at that time:–because the Naked Lunch is the word of BURROUHGS.

495  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Naked Lunch on: April 10, 2015, 12:13:25 PM
Naked Lunch (William S. Burroughs) contains scientific knowledge that could not have been known in 1959. It ranges from basic arithmetics to the most advanced topics in in all the Field of this world. You are invited to go through those miracles. Every Day I will post One miracle of Naked Lunch.
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O Great Seer, How may one miracle be brought forth each day from The Book, if the Book itself is of miraculous nature?  There are So Many Days, and Few Pages. 

I fear the Apocalypse, the dreadful day when the skies split anunder, that day when the last page of Naked Lunch is turned, when the End Draws Nigh.

Be not afeared! Yes, though the Nake Lunch is not more than 200 pages and yet it is even more densely packd with the MIRACELS than holy quran. End is even now being can FAR AWAY.
Sayeth thou that miracles may beget miracles, in endless and infinite loops, a debauchery of the cosmos and heavans without end?

Indeed this is a MIRACEL if for every page turned more appear.   Though the End draws nigh, it always receeds further.    A mortal can only be awed by such wonders, not unlike when Moses descended from the Mount with his Ipads.

Most surely TRUHT!
496  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Naked Lunch on: April 10, 2015, 11:53:03 AM
Naked Lunch (William S. Burroughs) contains scientific knowledge that could not have been known in 1959. It ranges from basic arithmetics to the most advanced topics in in all the Field of this world. You are invited to go through those miracles. Every Day I will post One miracle of Naked Lunch.
...
O Great Seer, How may one miracle be brought forth each day from The Book, if the Book itself is of miraculous nature?  There are So Many Days, and Few Pages. 

I fear the Apocalypse, the dreadful day when the skies split anunder, that day when the last page of Naked Lunch is turned, when the End Draws Nigh.

Be not afeared! Yes, though the Nake Lunch is not more than 200 pages and yet it is even more densely packd with the MIRACELS than holy quran. End is even now being can FAR AWAY.
497  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 11:34:09 AM
do you know that israel is still invading the Palestine lands or not? I don't like the israeli politic about this fact.

Just because you say something doesn't make it a "fact".

Like, I could say I'm fucking your mother's corpse. It wouldn't make it a fact.
498  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 11:32:26 AM

(ISSYR) Israel was a country during the period from 720BCE to 605BCE.

The dates are chosen because 720BCE is when a certain Kingdom of Israel in that region was destroyed by the Assyrian empire, which itself fell in 605BCE. I assume your answer is probably no, because goddamn Jews.

(PCSR) Palestine has never been under independent self rule.

Can we at least agree on that?


Oh really? You want to go that far in the past?? So who exactly was living there and what did the jews coming from egypt do to them according to the old testament? Or you want to hash that out?

I assume you're referring to (ISSYR), though both statements are about the past. The purpose of (ISSYR) is to help determine how different people are using the word "country". By your response, I think you mean you wouldn't use "country" to refer to any "geopolitical entity" that existed before Year Y, where year Y is sometime after 605BCE. Correct?
499  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 11:23:05 AM
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No one wants else wants to try to answer this? Is it because you all agree Palestine never was a country?
depends what definition of the world you're using but it wasn't a self governing entity with a distinct national identity separating its people from other arabs which is what you're obviously getting at. it did have borders and legislature and passports and currency and its citizens weren't turfed out by the rulers to make way for hook nosed brooklyn shlomos with m16s.

I just want to congratulate all of you for having this guy on your side of the argument. I'm starting to think calling you guys Nazis is unfair to the Nazis. The Nazis had a fucked up ideology, but at least they had thought their fucked up ideology through. You guys can't even read the first fucking sentence of a Wikipedia article you link to.

PS: saddampduh, I'm laughing my ass off at what's happening to Greece. Keep fucking that chicken!
500  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 10, 2015, 11:17:25 AM
When was Palestine a country?

No one wants else wants to try to answer this? Is it because you all agree Palestine never was a country?


Yes it is obvious than Palestine was a country, read Wikipedia page (if you want). 

When was Palestine a country?

No one wants else wants to try to answer this? Is it because you all agree Palestine never was a country?

Palestine was always a country. Ever heard about Mandatory Palestine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

After the Ottomans were driven out of the Levant, Palestine was administrated as a British mandate. Also, notice that the name is "Palestine" and not Israel.

Now I really should want to know what J. J. Phillips will say regard this "incredible" news for him, do you know that Israel is still invading the palestinazi lands or not? I don't like the Israeli politic about this fact.

At least someone finally made an assertion. Did any of you read even the first sentence of the linked wikipedia page?

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Mandatory Palestine[1] (Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasṭīn; Hebrew: פָּלֶשְׂתִּינָה (א"י) Pālēśtīnā (EY), where "EY" indicates "Eretz Yisrael" (Land of Israel)) was a geopolitical entity under British administration, carved out of Ottoman Southern Syria after World War I.

Why does it say "geopolitical entity" instead of "country" or "nation" or "state"? Strange, yes? If you read more you'll find it's clear why. Because it was not a country (in the sense of a "nation" or "state") during the post WW1 period. It was a territory under British rule. It's like saying the U.S. was a country before 1776. Or, even better, like saying Israel was a country when it was under Assyrian or Roman rule. Or maybe you believe those things.

Anyway, let's make the progress clear. Here's the assertion:

(PC19201948) Palestine was a country during the period from 1920 to 1948.

nazisn0w and bryant gumble declare this to be "true". I declare it to be "false". So at least we finally know one assertion we're disagreeing about.

I suppose I could think of examples where X was a country in Year 1, X was occupied by an external force during Year 2, and then X threw out the occupiers in Year 3. In that case, it's unclear whether X was a country during Year 2.

Here we have a case, however, where X was under the rule of an external force, then was under the rule of a different external force. In this case it's hard for me to see how X was a country at all. I assume you don't think a necessary criteria for something to be a country is that it was ever under independent self-rule.

This, of course, may be simply a difference in language. Maybe it was a sn0w-country but not a JJ-country. Let's try to clarify this by considering the following assertion.

(ISSYR) Israel was a country during the period from 720BCE to 605BCE.

The dates are chosen because 720BCE is when a certain Kingdom of Israel in that region was destroyed by the Assyrian empire, which itself fell in 605BCE. I assume your answer is probably no, because goddamn Jews.

(PCSR) Palestine has never been under independent self rule.

Can we at least agree on that?

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