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4821  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 01:40:37 PM
In Armstrong's case he wanted a public trial and couldn't get one.

The court transcript disagrees. Provide evidence to the contrary that doesn't come from his blog (not under oath, not cross examined, years later, he can say whatever the hell he wants), otherwise this argument is just a bunch of fluff. It may, in theory, even be 100% correct, but without evidence it is still fluff.

You are stealing my time forcing me to dig up the research because you won't do it because you make flippant unethical weasel statements. This is really pissing me off.

Why do you feel you have a right to do this?

If you start digging, you will find the material that will shut you up.

You can start here...

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/33417



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Here is the letter from the forensic accountant in my case to the court appointed lawyer. He states that besides the receiver failing to provide any documentation in six years to prevent a trial, what limited material was produced failed to show what was alleged, and about 40% of the trades in the accounts were ERRORS being backed out after weekends by the bank. That certainly smells like they were doing money laundering for someone. This was what the reporter was curious about, and the way she asked me the question implied they were doing similar schemes elsewhere. That interview was NEVER published. Interesting that HSBC was caught allegedly laundering money in Geneva.

When this letter was sent to the court and I requested the discovery that I had never received in 7 years, Judge Keenan replied: “You have enough.” I was denied access to the very records I would need for a trial. It was clear that there was no intent to allow a trial or to hand me more evidence against the banks.

There will NEVER be a public trial having to do with NY banking. It would expose way too much and that would collapse the confidence in the entire financial system supported by the pretend regulators. So, they bring criminal indictments only against the corporation and the deal is signed before it is announced.
4822  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 01:23:48 PM
In Armstrong's case he wanted a public trial and couldn't get one.

The court transcript disagrees. Provide evidence to the contrary that doesn't come from his blog (not under oath, not cross examined, years later, he can say whatever the hell he wants), otherwise this argument is just a bunch of fluff. It may, in theory, even be 100% correct, but without evidence it is still fluff.

A scripted plea is not constitutional. He said "yes your Honor" to agree to a scripted plea. Nothing in that transcript in constitutional.

He wanted a public trial and was not given one for over 7 years (leading to 12 years of involuntary illegal confinement for which he was never constitutionally convicted). Just before that they tried to murder him in prison. There is evidence of this event, you can look it up. He is missing teeth from the event you can see that when he smiles. He was thrown in solitary with a bad infection and was going blind.

Smooth you have really disappointed me. You will use any weasel method to be "right" when in fact you are wrong in terms of what is right, ethical, law of the land, consistent, moral, and just.

If we all refuse to agree he is constitutionally convicted, then we the citizens still own our country. If we lay over and use weasel words like you, then we are slaves. You apparently do not respect the Constitution. You respect only the best way to weasel your way through life. Thus I conclude you have no ethical grounding.

I think the words of Jesus are appropriate here.

Mark 12:13 or Matthew 20:22:

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13 And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him..

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13 They sent some of the Pharisees and supporters of Herod to trap him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you’re genuine and you don’t worry about what people think. You don’t show favoritism but teach God’s way as it really is. Does the Law allow people to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay taxes or not?”

15 Since Jesus recognized their deceit, he said to them, “Why are you testing me? Bring me a coin. Show it to me.” 16 And they brought one. He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God.” His reply left them overcome with wonder.
4823  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 12:56:11 PM
Well yes virtually everyone is committing crimes and could probably be convicted even if the trial process were completely fair.

Again, not fair, but fair and sane and legal are distinct.

Three felonies per day for all of us apparently. But that isn't even the point.

In Armstrong's case he wanted a public trial and couldn't get one. He was never constitutionally convicted. Period. And that is fact. You can continue with your nonsense lies or you can admit you are fucking wrong.
4824  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 12:53:26 PM
Smooth is ignorant of the 6th Amendment to the Constitution. Did he attend high school?

There's the jailhouse lawyer version, and the real world version.

The whole system is not fair. It's terribly corrupt. It's abused. It is what it is.

And it is going to get worse. And everyone will be "convicted" and you will agree they are convicted. What a civil concept.

If there is no constitutional consistency, there are no more constitutional convictions. Just a lot of terrorism. That is all.
4825  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 12:48:53 PM
Smooth is ignorant of the 6th Amendment to the Constitution. Did he attend high school?

Damned facts that smartasses don't read before they spout off with their weasel words:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/29128

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What I agreed to read was that the bankers took money for their “own benefit” for I refused to all along to plead to taking my own money for we were never managing Japanese money, we bought the portfolios. I fail to see where the words I read even constituted anything close to a crime.

This is how the courts work. There is no difference between some terrorist organization handing a script to some captive to read on TV condemning his country and agreeing with his captors and the way the US legal system operates. The king’s lawyers (prosecutors) write the words to pretend to match the  law and it is all a dog and pony show. This is the ultimate face of corruption.

You can't be convicted in an unconstitutional court that violates every clause of the 6th Amendment.

You are promulgating weasel word "conviction" that no longer has any meaning in your unconstitutional hell.
4826  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 12:42:43 PM
Fine, then he should go to court, prove it, and have his conviction overturned. Until that happens, he's a convicted criminal.

You are not a citizen of the Constitution. You are a slave of some thing you call a country which is not my country. You can say he is convicted in your world. Go ahead and live in your unconstitutional lawless definition of a world.

I want nothing more to do with you.

The fact remains he was not convicted in my Constitutional country. And that is a fact. So there is nothing to overturn.

You do not understand law at all. What you are describing is the absence of law. Thus any definitions are totally meaningless.

I mean you've just failed even the most basic test of someone I would want to be affiliated with.

For the second time, the authority of the courts over all disputes, including disputes arising under the Constitution itself, is established right in the Constitution.

You don't get to decide whether his conviction was proper. He doesn't get to decide (and certainly not by posting his "legal arguments" on a blog). The courts get to decide.

To claim otherwise is to deny the structure of Constitution itself (Article 3, specifically).

You are ignorant of the Constitution. Trying reading it more carefully.

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You have no ethical grounding.

I never said his conviction was ethical. And what AP said, while amusing, is also pretty much true. What is legal and what is ethical and/or sane are not the same thing.

No I said you are not ethical. Because you prefer weasel words than a Constitution and consistency of law ruled by our Constitution.
4827  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 12:29:47 PM

You do not understand law at all. What you are describing is the absence of law.

 
 
Sorry man, I would have to say that you do not understand law at all.  What you are describing is sanity.

Haha, you got me. Good one.
4828  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
Fine, then he should go to court, prove it, and have his conviction overturned. Until that happens, he's a convicted criminal.

You are not a citizen of the Constitution. You are a slave of some thing you call a country which is not my country. You can say he is convicted in your world. Go ahead and live in your unconstitutional lawless definition of a world.

I want nothing more to do with you.

The fact remains he was not convicted in my Constitutional country. And that is a fact. So there is nothing to overturn.

You do not understand law at all. What you are describing is the absence of law. Thus any definitions your lawless arbitrary world are totally meaningless.

I mean you've just failed even the most basic test of someone I would want to be affiliated with. You have no ethical grounding.

I thought you were someone who was ethical but in the end I see you are just a weasel with weasel words.

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A weasel word (also, anonymous authority) is an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that a specific and/or meaningful statement has been made, when only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated, enabling the specific meaning to be denied if the statement is challenged.
4829  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 12:17:29 PM
If not then the conviction stands.

Scripted pleas are not constitutional. You as a fellow citizen are supposed to uphold the constitution. You can only be convicted by a jury of your peers where all the facts can be brought out in public (did you even read the second link I provided!!). You are convicting him with your words without a trial and without due process. The evidence from the case was not allowed to be public. This is unconstitutional.

Furthermore I see no evidence whatsoever that he did not have the option to refuse the plea and go to trial, as a trial date had been set.

Again you are ignorant of the details of the case. Armstrong specifically was not allowed to. So STFU or go do your research first. I am not going to go dig up all the details for you. I did already once in the past and I  know for a fact that you are wrong.
4830  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
Smooth Embarrasses Himself For 3rd Time Today

Feeling smart now?

Smooth are you going to force the issue and cause me to embarrass you for the 3rd time today?

Don't bother with your non-sequeturs.

If you don't have a court document vacating his conviction anything further that you post is a bunch of opinion.

Bullshit. The ultimate law of the land is the constitution.

Sure, and by its own terms, the courts get to decide. Has his conviction been vacated?

I warned you. So now I will embarrass the fuck out of you again for being such an asshole. And stealing my time, forcing me to go dig up shit I already wrote about before but you are too fucking "smart"(ass) to go read.

You can't be convicted by an unconstitutional action. If you agree with labeling that a "conviction" then you are guilty of treason to your country and thus you are owed the death penalty according the Constitution. So please continue your insane posts of incriminating yourself.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/29128



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Abuse of Contempt of Court – Far more Common than People Realize

Scripted pleas are actually totally unconstitutional. You are supposed to plead in your own words and the judge is legally bound to accept your plea ONLY if he believes it and it is voluntary. That is just fiction for the justice system has become so corrupt, all they care about now is form, never substance. Here is Judge Kennan stating in my case that I must read from a script written by the government and not allowed to explain anything in my own words.

Also read this blog post as well:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/research/rule-of-law/goldman-sachs-v-armstrong
4831  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 11:58:42 AM
Smooth are you going to force the issue and cause me to embarrass you for the 3rd time today?

Don't bother with your non-sequeturs.

If you don't have a court document vacating his conviction anything further that you post is a bunch of opinion.

Bullshit. The ultimate law of the land is the constitution.
4832  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 11:56:30 AM
Smooth are you going to force the issue and cause me to embarrass you for the 3rd time today?

You don't even know the facts. Go do your research first by reading all Armstrong's blogs. Then come back here to discuss.

I asked you to stop stealing my time. Are you going to force it?
4833  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 11:49:52 AM
TPTB his guilty plea counts as a conviction. You don't need a trial to be convicted.

Nope. You can't be convicted if you are prevented from having a trial for 12 years yet held illegally without a trial for 12 years.

That's incorrect. He was held in civil contempt for seven years, then pled guilty (i.e. convicted), and then was sentenced to 5 years in prison for that conviction.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/58/Armstrong_guilty_plea.pdf

Was it fair? Quite possibly not, but he does have a conviction. That is a fact.



Smooth I refuted all this shit once before in great detail as AnonyMint. You are not going to go force me to show how ignorant you are again.

Search my archives.

Stop stealing my time.

A confession or plea under duress is not legally binding.

There are many more details and I am not going to spoon feed you. You are splattering your ignorance all over the place.

You think quoting a transcript from a court that was shown to be altering transcripts proves anything. You quote something out of context of the law about duress.

You are not an attorney. You are ignorant.
4834  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 11:47:22 AM
http://www.contra-magazin.com/2015/05/china-ein-krieg-mit-den-usa-ist-unvermeidlich/

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"If it is the US stance that China has to stop its activities, then an American-Chinese war in the South China Sea is inevitable", reported the "The Global Times", an influential Chinese newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party is, in today's editorial. "The intensity of the conflict will be higher than what people normally refer to as 'stress'," said the commentator on.

However, an attempt to hand over the sheet to Washington in Beijing, so that the future development is in the hands of the Americans: "We do not want a military conflict with the United States, but if he comes, then we have to accept that." This shows China that it only wants to know safeguarded their own regional interests, while the US global meddling in the internal affairs of other countries.

Beijing himself stressed last week that it "very dissatisfied" with respect to the flight of an American spy plane in the region was that ignored the warnings of the Chinese navy studiously. Washington itself does not recognize Chinese sovereignty in the disputed territories and makes itself - far away US territory - their own territory claims.
4835  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 11:32:37 AM
TPTB his guilty plea counts as a conviction. You don't need a trial to be convicted.

Nope. You can't be convicted if you are prevented from having a trial for 12 years while held illegally without a trial for 12 years.

A confession under duress is not legally binding.

Actually he didn't even confess, he read a statement that he was forced to read, but he read in such a way as to not incriminate himself nor absolve his protection of his innocence under the law and constitution. Any way, why should I go into all the details for a know-it-all like you. You can do your own research or continue to foam errors out of your mouth. I don't fucking care.

You can play all the games you want with definitions, while lying to yourself about the facts. Doing this just to try to discredit me thus means you shed your respect for yourself just to stoop to low-life trolling. I am losing respect for you.

And smooth you are just fighting me to fight me because I embarrassed the shit out of you in the other thread today. But it was you who dragged yourself into those numerous errors by going on and on trying to force a logic where there wasn't any. Why don't you think before you type.

Piss off with your obnoxious behavior.
4836  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: October 08, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
Even though Martin A. Armstrong has a dishonorable past

Martin A. Armstrong's contribution to economics and his economic predictions made him a person of great influence.  However, his criminal conviction somewhat overshadowed his achievements.

Do you not feel any shame for lying.

http://armstrongeconomics-wp.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/10/The-solution-to-unsustainable-debts-will-never-come%C2%BB-_-The-Journal-of-Journalists.pdf

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There is even an economist. The American Martin Armstrong managed to become a
millionaire at 15, to find a model that predicts the global economic crises and get into
prison for 12 years without trial ever.

How can someone be convicted when they never had a trial.

How can someone that does a plea bargain after being held in jail for 12 years without a trial be considered guilty of crime he says he never did. He has presented all the evidence on his blogs.
4837  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: October 08, 2015, 11:09:40 AM
Maintaining a non-aggression principle is a luxury afforded by stable society and government.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a member of a jungle tribe 5,000 years ago.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle on the border of Germany in the late 1930's.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a pleb thug takes your life from you.

We were talking about forcing others to do something against their choice. We were not talking about self-defense.

When will the ontological failures in reading comprehension stop?

When I write about the weather only. The weather is might fine don't you think?
4838  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: October 08, 2015, 08:31:40 AM
At least acknowledge it.

I have not denied it. Even mentioned it numerous times myself.

The weather is dandy isn't it. I'm watching paint dry. Mary jane came over to bring me some fig juice and fried rabbit's toes. How is your gall bladder doing?
4839  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: October 08, 2015, 08:12:45 AM
In this forum, do not write anything. Just write platitudes. Otherwise you will fall in a tarpit of non-productivity.

The weather is dandy today isn't it.
4840  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: October 08, 2015, 08:11:16 AM
But the key point you are missing is that people are not necessarily "confused" about fairness as you wrote above, nor are they even necessarily being "raped" by the system...

In a relativistic system that is our Universe, objectivity is relative to the perspective of the beholder.

From my perspective, they are confused and being raped. From their perspective, they are not.

The non-aggression principle of choice means I don't need them to wrong in order for me to correct. They may not be able to adhere to the same principle since they need to extract some of my productivity to fund their morass.
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