I posit the start of war means the financial aspects are getting so bleak that more aggressive measures have to be risked. This theory ties the Russian bombing to the financial icebergs which have defaulted but they are hiding from us. Although I have strong suspicions that the general plans for the current outcomes were pre-planned by the global elite as part of the chaos needed to bring about a world government, if one prefers a non-planned explanation then the Minsky Moment is a candidate. I think we can all now conclude that Armstrongs Oct 1 turn date has proven to be true. The world has gone to hell in a very short period of time centered around this turn date, with the key marker of Russia starting to bomb the USA funded rebels exactly on the turn date. I don't feel I need to convince any more people. Those who want to know have the proof now in front of their eyes. Those who want to cover their eyes and close their minds with nonsense are certainly free to do so. Who am I to argue with them. Go ahead folks. Choose. |
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You are still approaching this from thinking about what to do as fair, but there is no chance of that. The system is rigged. For as long as you waste time in that direction, you are just feeding the problem. The Europeans who are still confused about fairness are being raped by the system. You will sold that the world government will be more fair. And most of those who have been indoctrinated with using collectivism to achieve fairness will follow this outcome. They simply don't ever think that maybe there is another way (e.g. individual empowerment via technological innovation and destroying the collective economically so humans can be free). In my opinion, the problem is you (and most others) don't see all governments as evil.
Let me offer another interpretation, and this is coming from someone who is no fan of governments or top down control. It may not be entirely indoctrination and people may just differ, perhaps even genetically, in how they weigh fairness considerations in their decision making process. Focusing on one word in my statement and expanding the reasons which people ascribe to collectivism isn't "another interpretation". You are not disagreeing with what I wrote. I never wrote that indoctrination is the only way that people fall in love with collectivism as a fairness solution. Don't you understand that forum comment is not a fucking novel. I write one word "indoctrination" instead of a novel, because no one is going to want to read a novel and I don't have time to be exhaustive in every last detail. The point of what I wrote remains. if people strongly value fairness and collectivism and the reason those policies exist is to best serve the people. In that case you are the one trying to top-down impose individualism and take away the freedom live within such a more socially-oriented system. Such people may even value that sort of system so much that they are willing to accept corruption, less individual freedom, structural instability, and other bad outcomes as a cost of (attempting to achieve) fairness. In the event that turns into a catastrophic failure, well in that case antifragility will take over and these genetic tendencies or whatever they are, will likely be wiped from the gene pool. But that may simply be the nature of people doing what they want, not bad policies imposed by an elite. And none of that is contrary what I wrote except the bolded accusation which is in error. On the second bolded part, there is no way I could force someone to not participate in a collective with technological innovation that enabled others to choose not to. Duh. The non-aggression of individual choice is one fundamental principles that makes it so fair. However, viewing individual choice as such a fundamental principle is relative to your own individual makeup. If other humans have a different (possibly genetic) makeup that elevates, for example, fairness over individual choice, then there is nothing to say that your way is right and theirs is wrong. What are you going to do, wipe them off the face of the earth? Wish them out of existence? Convince them that their genetics are defective? RMA under warranty? You have to acknowledge the subjectivity of your own values relative to others'. Well, you don't, but it's clearly there anyway. What part of "individual empowerment via technological innovation so that those who want to opt out can" did you misconstrue as " wipe them off the face of the earth"? Smooth you are just babbling nonsense today. What happened to you. |
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If you're going to go there, then show your work. Make an actual mathematically grounded case for it (based on any branch of mathematics), or don't throw names of mathematical theories around as rhetorical flourishes. That's a cheap trick.
WTF? Why has this thread turned into "each comment has to be a white paper"? Are you trying to filibuster me? The simple point has already been sufficiently explained. If you can't figure it out (about chaos theory), that is not my problem. If I have incentive to write a white paper I assume I will. I don't know why you can't understand what I wrote: If someone is into symbolism and then someone else can demonstrate their symbols form another pattern, that sort of makes the initial symbolism a joke. It was a point about serendipity and the futility of control. Someone was so serious about the alignment of the stars to their structure and the orientation, etc.. And that seriousness falls to random chance. haha.
The alignment of the stars in a particular structure is not the point. Various forms of astrology have been around since people have been around. The interpretation of the geographies of things like pyramids and airports is more out there, and demands a stronger support if that is possible (which I seriously doubt). Granted something like the Guidestones which may be somewhat arbitrarily placed could have been placed by their originator to aline with other objects of occult significance, for whatever astrological or similar reasons (see above). The airport (which was built after the Guidestones) I'm much, much more skeptical about being anything other than overfitting. What? My god I hit on a dumb nerve today (and it isn't in my body). I don't know how it happened. |
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You are still approaching this from thinking about what to do as fair, but there is no chance of that. The system is rigged. For as long as you waste time in that direction, you are just feeding the problem. The Europeans who are still confused about fairness are being raped by the system. You will sold that the world government will be more fair. And most of those who have been indoctrinated with using collectivism to achieve fairness will follow this outcome. They simply don't ever think that maybe there is another way (e.g. individual empowerment via technological innovation and destroying the collective economically so humans can be free). In my opinion, the problem is you (and most others) don't see all governments as evil.
Let me offer another interpretation, and this is coming from someone who is no fan of governments or top down control. It may not be entirely indoctrination and people may just differ, perhaps even genetically, in how they weigh fairness considerations in their decision making process. Focusing on one word in my statement and expanding the reasons which people ascribe to collectivism isn't "another interpretation". You are not disagreeing with what I wrote. I never wrote that indoctrination is the only way that people fall in love with collectivism as a fairness solution. Don't you understand that forum comment is not a fucking novel. I write one word "indoctrination" instead of a novel, because no one is going to want to read a novel and I don't have time to be exhaustive in every last detail. The point of what I wrote remains. if people strongly value fairness and collectivism and the reason those policies exist is to best serve the people. In that case you are the one trying to top-down impose individualism and take away the freedom live within such a more socially-oriented system. Such people may even value that sort of system so much that they are willing to accept corruption, less individual freedom, structural instability, and other bad outcomes as a cost of (attempting to achieve) fairness. In the event that turns into a catastrophic failure, well in that case antifragility will take over and these genetic tendencies or whatever they are, will likely be wiped from the gene pool. But that may simply be the nature of people doing what they want, not bad policies imposed by an elite. And none of that is contrary what I wrote except the bolded accusation which is in error. On the second bolded part, there is no way I could force someone to not participate in a collective with technological innovation that enabled others to choose not to. Duh. The non-aggression of individual choice is one fundamental principles that makes it so fair. |
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Sigh. I have refuted that many times in the past. Do I have to do again!
Read the debate between CoinCube and myself in the Economic Devastation thread.
Indeed, people will believe what ever they want to. And it is not my job to change their minds.
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If you're going to go there, then show your work. Make an actual mathematically grounded case for it (based on any branch of mathematics), or don't throw names of mathematical theories around as rhetorical flourishes. That's a cheap trick.
WTF? Why has this thread turned into "each comment has to be a white paper"? Are you trying to filibuster me? The simple point has already been sufficiently explained. If you can't figure it out (about chaos theory), that is not my problem. If I have incentive to write a white paper I assume I will. I don't know why you can't understand what I wrote: If someone is into symbolism and then someone else can demonstrate their symbols form another pattern, that sort of makes the initial symbolism a joke. It was a point about serendipity and the futility of control. Someone was so serious about the alignment of the stars to their structure and the orientation, etc.. And that seriousness falls to random chance. haha.
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You are still approaching this from thinking about what to do as fair, but there is no chance of that. The system is rigged. For as long as you waste time in that direction, you are just feeding the problem. The Europeans who are still confused about fairness are being raped by the system. You will sold that the world government will be more fair. And most of those who have been indoctrinated with using collectivism to achieve fairness will follow this outcome. They simply don't ever think that maybe there is another way (e.g. individual empowerment via technological innovation and destroying the collective economically so humans can be free). In my opinion, the problem is you (and most others) don't see all governments as evil.
Let me offer another interpretation, and this is coming from someone who is no fan of governments or top down control. It may not be entirely indoctrination and people may just differ, perhaps even genetically, in how they weigh fairness considerations in their decision making process. Focusing on one word in my statement and expanding the reasons which people ascribe to collectivism isn't "another interpretation". You are not disagreeing with what I wrote. I never wrote that indoctrination is the only way that people fall in love with collectivism as a fairness solution. Don't you understand that forum comment is not a fucking novel. I write one word "indoctrination" instead of a novel, because no one is going to want to read a novel and I don't have time to be exhaustive in every last detail. The point of what I wrote remains. |
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And thus you made the same mistake he made. How many humans can afford to construct the Georgia Guidestones. Duh. (and the power to make sure you remain anonymous!)
It only takes one, and yes there are many relatively wealthy people who do eccentric things. The cost of the guidestones was significant but not billions, and doing things anonymously in the 70s was relatively easy. I don't buy this as a signature of a global elite. He may be part of one, but it is impossible to say. Beware confirmation bias. I never said he must be the global elite, although I am not saying he isn't. It is amazing how you and generalizethis wrangle on and on and completely lose focus of my original point 2 or 3 days ago. Which was the irony of the serendipity that these globalist memes displayed at the Georgia Guidestones and the Denver airport, when considered geometrically with the Great Pyramids form a pentagram which is often associated with Jesus's 5 wounds and as juxtaposed against the 6-pointed star which is an occult symbol foisted on the Jews by Zionism and not the historical symbol of Judaism. Honestly it doesn't mean a damn thing unless... Oh go study Chaos theory. Nothing means a damn thing and everything does. If someone is into symbolism and then someone else can demonstrate their symbols form another pattern, that sort of makes the initial symbolism a joke. It was a point about serendipity and the futility of control. Someone was so serious about the alignment of the stars to their structure and the orientation, etc.. And that seriousness falls to random chance. haha. Tsk. Tsk. The powers of discernment are so weak. |
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And thus you made the same mistake he made. How many humans can afford to construct the Georgia Guidestones. Duh. (and the power to make sure you remain anonymous!)
It only takes one, and yes there are many relatively wealthy people who do eccentric things. The cost of the guidestones was significant but not billions, and doing things anonymously in the 70s was relatively easy. I don't buy this as a signature of a global elite. He may be part of one, but it is impossible to say. Beware confirmation bias. I never said he must be the global elite, although I am not saying he isn't. It is amazing how you and generalizethis wrangle on and on and completely lose focus of my original point 2 or 3 days ago. Which was the irony of the serendipity that these globalist memes displayed at the Georgia Guidestones and the Denver airport, when considered geometrically with the Great Pyramids form a pentagram which is often associated with Jesus's 5 wounds and as juxtaposed against the 6-pointed star which is an occult symbol foisted on the Jews by Zionism and not the historical symbol of Judaism. I made a point about how even globalist memes are diluted by natural chance making the point that any attempt at globalization is doomed to failure (and will take down its adherents with them), and you two build strawmen that said I was trying to prove that globalist elite definitely constructed those two sites. I think you both need to take deep breath and go read again bigtimespaghetti's post wherein he pointed out that it spreads out and becomes a cultural norm. So the meme becomes more important than the original leaders who were pushing (e.g. Rockefeller funding the various things I enumerated decades back). I don't have the time to explain my vast knowledge to both of you. I can't write a fucking novel here. I come here to make a few comments and you two guys turn it into a fucking struggle that makes my disease look nice in comparison. |
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Europe is committing suicide by advertising that it will accept all refugees. I think that is essentially bigtimespaghetti's point. I don't think it is necessary to involve IQ rather just the fact that Europe is importing a clusterfuck of multicultural conflict and people that won't assimilate, in the same month that Germany's industrial production collapsed 4% in one month.
But I think both of you need to step back from your argument about what is just, righteous and fair, and be more sober. We are facing a very challenging future. And we all better start figuring out how to individually empower ourselves and our family and stop thinking about the clusterfuck that can no longer be stopped.
Well put. Sometimes it's possible to be Orwellian and believe two opposing positions to be true at the same time; I don't disagree that it could potentially be catastrophic due to the current economic conditions or troubles with integration of cultures and that the future is challenging. Would it be different if Euro economies were booming? The reason Euro economies are f*cked isn't because of migrants. We've discussed the actions of governments, bankers etc at length, the refugee crisis may just prove to be the catalyst. And TPTB_needs you hit on the crux of my position: fairness. it is easy to direct blame on particular groups. I think we should accept that it is the actions of Empire Building & misguided geo-politics and the finger should be pointed at the source not the result. If we're going to discuss it, let's be fair about it and consider all aspects. And above all, nothing personal BTS. Europe would collapse without the migrants. The clusterfuck being created by the designed wars in the Middle East will exacerbate such that Europe will fall into total chaos and not be able to recover. This is what will drive the acceptance of a world government which will offer peace. You are still approaching this from thinking about what to do as fair, but there is no chance of that. The system is rigged. For as long as you waste time in that direction, you are just feeding the problem. The Europeans who are still confused about fairness are being raped by the system. You will sold that the world government will be more fair. And most of those who have been indoctrinated with using collectivism to achieve fairness will follow this outcome. They simply don't ever think that maybe there is another way (e.g. individual empowerment via technological innovation and destroying the collective economically so humans can be free). In my opinion, the problem is you (and most others) don't see all governments as evil. P.S. rpietila might be able to confirm for you that I was predicting the devolution of the Middle East into war since 2010 on the other silver forum we used to hang out (or he might have left by then). The globalists had informed us of their plans through Lindsey William's contact in the oil industry. This was all planned out long ago. Lindsey Williams is not the contact I am referring to who has the information about the Birch Society and Freemasons involvement in insuring Agenda 21 is implemented in the USA. |
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All I see is a file on a web site, and one full of paid traffic links and I think also trying to sell something
Instead of wasting 2 days of my time, next time would you first do your research. Congressmen and other influential people received 100 hand signed copies of his book. The only person who knows his identity confirmed the veracity of the book. |
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The humanist theme I wrote about up thread where it is incorrectly assumed nature doesn't manage itself and man is in control and the desire to make a perfect world which I explained with some mathematical description up thread means destroying life... http://govtslaves.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Common-Sense-Renewed.pdf#page=14Humans are special creatures.
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We appear to be the only agents capable of consciously working to improve this imperfect world.
These are powers of discernment about the global elite that I have developed. I'm sorry but the idea that humans are capable of consciously working to improve the world is not a signature of the global elite. I'm quite certain I could round up hundreds of people tomorrow who believe that and have nothing to do with any kind of elite. The earlier comments about ink blots are valid to an extent here. Oh smooth you are trying so hard to pull victory from bowels of defeat and you make the grotesque error of allying with an idiot. And thus you made the same mistake he made. How many humans can afford to construct the Georgia Guidestones. Duh. (and the power to make sure you remain anonymous!) The fact that humans have been indoctrinated with the thoughts the globalists want them to have, is not an argument that there are not leaders. Your powers of discernment suck. (I have already stated up thread that the artist who painted the Denver murals believes in these values that he painted about, but that doesn't make him responsible for putting them in a $5.2 billion facility) |
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so wikipedia may be wrong about that It is well known that Wikipedia is very often wrong about contentious issues, because it is a for sale to the highest bidder. This is true of encyclopedias and text books also. Are you just finding out about that reality of life  Wikipedia is wrong. There is no "maybe". He does...
He wants a world government and population control. He says it numerous times. This is globalist line. I've seen it many times. You begin to recognize it when you've been researching this stuff for a while. |
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I just revealed the self-aggrandizing prophet-wanna-be black hole in your Airport theory. Shouldn't you be shilling get out of the Apocalypse free cards somewhere not making cliche appeals to authority? "Do you know who I am!" Really? Is that the brilliant logic that you warned me about at the beginning of this exchange?
Wow you've really stooped into the non-intellectual zone haven't you. You are just cluttering the thread with noise. |
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The humanist theme I wrote about up thread where it is incorrectly assumed nature doesn't manage itself and man is in control and the desire to make a perfect world which I explained with some mathematical description up thread means destroying life... http://govtslaves.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Common-Sense-Renewed.pdf#page=14Humans are special creatures.
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We appear to be the only agents capable of consciously working to improve this imperfect world.
These are powers of discernment about the global elite that I have developed. |
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Of course not you disingenuous prick.You are damn well aware of a "sound bite". A way to summarize a lot more than I will bother to repeat from my archives which are linked from my signature. Why should I bother with you? Who are you? What have you accomplished? Please enlighten us. Everyone knows about me and my meager accomplishments in the area of programming. |
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http://govtslaves.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Common-Sense-Renewed.pdf#page=12Is it unthinkable that America and the Soviet Union could unite as political partners?
Denver airport: 
I respect evidence and sound logic. You're a false prophet.
Bruised egos aren't rational arguments.
Which certainly suggests he was quite concerned that it might happen!
Read the book so you can see how wrong you were. It explains that you were not even close.
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The relevant point is you can't prove your statement. It's a guess with a lot of circumstantial bells and whistles.
See what happened to smooth in the prior post. Same will happen to you if I had the time to deal with you. I don't. Sorry you aren't worth it (smooth is). I have other serious things to do other than digging up the research for you that you are too arrogant+lazy to do for yourself. You give no respect to my 7+ years of intense research and the powers of discernment that have resulted from it. You disrespect expertise at your own peril. If you want to delude yourself on the value of the effort I have applied to research, that is your prerogative. |
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they clearly appear to me to be more likely to be advice on how to build/rebuild a society, not advice on how to change the society we already have
You still haven't explained how inscription #2 can be congruent with this interpretation. The creator of the Georgia Guidestones wrote a book. Why didn't you bother to check it? http://govtslaves.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Common-Sense-Renewed.pdf#page=10Using common sense as our guide we must unite the entire human family in establishing a limited world government capable of settling international disputes through a system of law.
In Chapter 1 on the same page he mentions the threat nuclear war but in the context of Thomas Paine's call for reason unfortunately resulting in war because humans would not resort to reason. And his plea is to form a world government to prevent nuclear war. So again as I wrote up thread, even if the nuclear war threat was involved, it would only make sense in the context of a world government to prevent it from occurring. Again globalist control. So that shows who here has better powers of discernment. Because I didn't read this book until just now upon your challenge. P.S. you all might want to save a copy of that PDF book, as only 100 copies were produced and the only copy I found for sale was $2200. |
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I don't care
You got that part right. Your eyes are closed. And you don't address any of the relevant points. |
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