Why doen't Bitcointalk focus on scams more?
THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM HERE.
Because moderating scams gives a lot of room for abuse for staff and moderating scams gives people a false sense of security, while some scams are practically impossible to verify as such due to lack of evidence. |
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It's gone now, it appears for everyone that has a post count of 1337.
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Some guy spammed the forums with the advertisement of this service, got banned, returned again with several new accounts and tried to do the same. Make what you want out of it...
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Q: I want to change my forum username. What should I do?A: You can either donate 50 BTC to become a VIP or […] [… some more faqs …] Q: 50/10 BTC for VIP/donator? Are you all crazy? I think it makes sense to move the second question immediately below the first one so we deal with the VIP stuff and move on to another things, instead of the current state where there are several questions in between and we revisit the VIP issue again for no good reason other than "this question was added at a later point"  . Done, thanks. Make sure you update the translation.  |
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Added some, thanks. Why newbies can't use link in signature?
Because there's restrictions. You can have one when you become a Jnr Member.
- Newbie: No styling (including links) allowed. Max 50 characters.
- Jr. Member: Links allowed. Max 150 characters.
- Member: Unlimited length.
- Full: Color allowed.
- Sr. Member: Size allowed
- Hero: Background color allowed
Added the question to the FAQ, thanks. Ask anything else forum related that you want. |
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A valid reason would be if your Bitcoin wallet was hacked and you feel a file you downloaded is to blame. This sentence in the thread starter post makes these kind of thefts sound so 'everyday stuff.' I wouldn't want newbies to think that wallet-stealing is 'normal' stuff here. Personally I feel on the contrary. I think newbies should be aware that this stuff is happening as they need to be on their guard and cautious. You really can't be too safe with your funds, however you can be sloppy and if you are you can say bye bye to them. My opinion on this subject would be that although wallet hacks aren't a constant threat, but they aren't a rare one either. It happens and happens quite often. People have to be aware and take the necessary steps to protect their wallets. |
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Badbear........may I ask........is there a proper way to run a signature campaign without risking a ban or are signature campaigns no longer allowed at all?
You thread is titled "Giveaway THREADS are not allowed", this somewhat adds to the confusion of what can and cannot be done as it suggests giveaways are allowed but cannot be the the whole topic of a thread, for example this suggest that I can do an announcement thread for a coin launch and somewhere in that thread can promote a giveaway for something like a signature campaign, but cannot start a thread just for a giveaway........but you just banned someone who did just that?
This ban was SOO damn unfair man, seriously.........it's like giving a guy a ticket for walking an old lady across the street, literally! Dude was making a massive POSITIVE effect, people were scammed man........that scammer was allowed to post his scam here and many members lost their shirt because of this guy. Someone steps in to help clean up that mess with the intent to help those that we scammed recover some or all of their losses, and you guys ban HIM?! Bro, PLEASE PLEASE reconsider this action.......it's wrong!!
You can't start on-site alt giveaways, that includes but is not limited to giveaways in alt coin announcement threads, dedicated alt coin giveaway threads, application to IPOs by posting in the thread, distribution threads, threads in the alt coin section paying for opinions, advice or anything posted in thread, etc. Want to do an alt coin giveaway? Post it on another website or another forum (people have to apply there) and leave a link on the coin thread. In your case, as I understood, the user was banned for breaking this part of the rule: <...>you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread.
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That includes payment for the sig since the person must apply on the forum thread to get it. BTW, the thread was made by theymos. Thanks for responding bud! Can anyone explain exactly how a dev can run a giveaway for a BCT signature campaign without getting into trouble? It sounds like an offsite page can be created explaining the giveaway and a link to that page CAN be promoted here on the forum, either in the coin's announcement thread or via signatures......but there seems to be a grey area here. 1. Make a website / make an account on another forum. 2. Write in that site/forum that you will pay some amount of coin X if they put a sig in their Bitcointalk profile. 3. Tell them they can apply to that sig campaign by entering the BCT username and their wallet address into the form you've made on that site or by posting their BCT username and their address on that other forum. 4. Put a link to that giveaway on the thread. Alternative way (if the giveaway is a part of a coin ANN): 1. On the coin announcement thread on BCT tell people that they can get coins for putting a signature in their profile. 2. Tell them they have to send you a PM with their coin address. 3. DO NOT credit anyone posting their address or applying by posting on the thread. Report such posts to the moderators. These methods I just explained don't require that much hassle (especially the alternative one), don't break the rules and don't cause spam. |
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No "official" set of rules was ever published, because if rules are set in stone, then people will come up with clever ways to bypass them, and then complain when a moderator takes action.
This is so true it's scary. I think it's important to point out that it's even more important to stick to the "spirit" of the rule rather than to the letter of the rule. There will always be a roundabout way to interpret rules that make it such that you're sticking strictly to the letter of the rule, even if you're clearly crossing the boundary. To that end, the rules should also stipulate that someone trying to get around the rules by sticking to them on a literal level while clearly infringing on what the rule was intended to prevent, is also not allowed. Added in Rule 23 with an example: 23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules.[e] 23. This rule is meant to prevent from users exploiting possible loopholes in the rules or some interpretations that follow the literal meaning of the rule rather than the meaning of what it truly wanted to prevent. |
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Changed the position of the FAQ and guidelines for better visibility. Added in a special thanks at the end for everyone that contributed (post here if I missed you). typical FAQ questions (that are still missing) would be: - why am I banned -> because you violated the rules, those who have to ask are usually banned for spamming - how does activity work -> there are plenty of threads to link (e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177133.0 ) - how do ranks work -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0- how can I insert/upload an image -> images are not hosted by bitcointalk.org you need to upload them somewhere else and use [img]http://url.to.my/img.jpg[/img] probably more... Added, thanks. This is great. I think the list should be vetted by forum administration and stickied.
I think that's intentional there is no comprehensive rulebook. Why so? No "official" set of rules was ever published, because if rules are set in stone, then people will come up with clever ways to bypass them, and then complain when a moderator takes action. This is however a very good thread to read to find out in general what you can and can't do. I do believe it should be stickied, but kept as "unofficial" Thanks for the vote of confidence. You may add 2 more questions in your FAQ section: Q: Why do I get the "The last posting from your IP was less than 360 seconds ago." error when I haven't posted today? A: Logging in, searching, sending PM will also be counted as posting. Q: How to get rid of the 360 seconds posting limit? A: The limit will be lowered to 75 seconds when you have 15 activity. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237597.msg4131557#msg4131557Added as one question, thanks. |
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Badbear........may I ask........is there a proper way to run a signature campaign without risking a ban or are signature campaigns no longer allowed at all?
You thread is titled "Giveaway THREADS are not allowed", this somewhat adds to the confusion of what can and cannot be done as it suggests giveaways are allowed but cannot be the the whole topic of a thread, for example this suggest that I can do an announcement thread for a coin launch and somewhere in that thread can promote a giveaway for something like a signature campaign, but cannot start a thread just for a giveaway........but you just banned someone who did just that?
This ban was SOO damn unfair man, seriously.........it's like giving a guy a ticket for walking an old lady across the street, literally! Dude was making a massive POSITIVE effect, people were scammed man........that scammer was allowed to post his scam here and many members lost their shirt because of this guy. Someone steps in to help clean up that mess with the intent to help those that we scammed recover some or all of their losses, and you guys ban HIM?! Bro, PLEASE PLEASE reconsider this action.......it's wrong!!
You can't start on-site alt giveaways, that includes but is not limited to giveaways in alt coin announcement threads, dedicated alt coin giveaway threads, application to IPOs by posting in the thread, distribution threads, threads in the alt coin section paying for opinions, advice or anything posted in thread, etc. Want to do an alt coin giveaway? Post it on another website or another forum (people have to apply there) and leave a link on the coin thread. In your case, as I understood, the user was banned for breaking this part of the rule: <...>you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread.
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That includes payment for the sig since the person must apply on the forum thread to get it. BTW, the thread was made by theymos. |
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typical FAQ questions (that are still missing) would be: - why am I banned -> because you violated the rules, those who have to ask are usually banned for spamming - how does activity work -> there are plenty of threads to link (e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177133.0 ) - how do ranks work -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0- how can I insert/upload an image -> images are not hosted by bitcointalk.org you need to upload them somewhere else and use [img]http://url.to.my/img.jpg[/img] probably more... Will add them tommorrow, thanks and keep them coming. |
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New boards have been created and descriptions added, he also gave me moderation rights there.
Thanks to theymos, I'll try to make a good job in the french board with davout!
Congrats man. Welcome to the team . |
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You gotta be kidding, right?
What's next?
Next FUD will be banned, and every thread will have one page. That would be kinda nice, actually. Seriously, BCT becomes lame lately. First giveaways, now they forbid to pool OPs to advertise their service in the topics, while 12 year olds make 100 accounts to spread FUD and insult people. I neither agree or disagree re pools bc I don't mine any more... But OP has a point. BCT allows has ignored all calls for moderation of altcoin sub-forums and this is the first thing to bring into action? I'd say the pressing issue is multiple accounts and serial scammers more so than the pools clogging up threads with "spam". Whatever happened to the rule where you couldn't post with a new account until a certain threshold of time and/or newbie introduction? Multiple accounts are allowed since a "one account" policy is nearly impossible to effectively enforce with TOR, proxies and VPNs circling about, (possible) scams are not moderated forum wide - freedom comes at a price. Newbie jail was abolished. This was changed by bringing in more moderators who moderate Newbie posts site wide (that would be me and hilariousandco) and several older mods were given the ability to moderate Newbie posts as well. |
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What sanctions? Imagine, I can create an account and spam ads of competitors.
That account would get banned. So what? |
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If u want to stop clutter, stop allowing creation of new coin, ipo's...This creates more spam than anything.
Creates some rules for that too...
That would be a bit too drastic - this forum does proud itself on freedom of speech. Limiting which coins can be accepted, would leave a lot of room for moderator abuse. this is bullshit rule that fucks over those of us who want to find pool fast and grab some of the first low difficulty coins, i don't want to be checking the mining subforum or waiting for dev to get pm and add to op, this only wastes time and allows ppl with their own mining hardware and insiders to get more of the easy coins
its only spam when pool owner post their link in the same thread multiple times, don't see the problem allowing them to post once
We've had some serious trouble with pool spammers (those adding any coin and posting (nearly) an identical message to all altcoin announcements). They just clutter up a discussion and can be avoided simply by making people add pools through PM. If you want to mine a coin early, mine it solo. If you can't, don't worry - probaly nobody will be until the coin author adds the info. Getting added to the OP by requesting the devs via PM is a joke. It happens maybe 50% of the time, and never quickly. I don't want to risk breaking the rules because someone asked a question about which pool to mine at or which pool is working and I responded "Mine" and provided a link. Ban the spammers, don't ban the practice entirely. Limit pool advertisement size to 5 lines of text and one 80x80px image. This is nazi moderator bullshit. You could try suggesting several pools without showing which one is yours. For example: Which pool is up and running for Coin? You could try these pools: pool1.com pool2.com mypool.com That wouldn't be considered advertising, wouldn't it (BadBear, can you confirm?)? I think you should change the subject of this thread to 'Pool spamming is no longer allowed'. It's very annoying when pools keep posting their advert sometimes several time on a single page which can go on for many pages.
Have pools listed in the OP and let them post once when they are up and running.
This goes for pools not listed in the OP to be allowed to post once when they are up and mining.
This gives miners a chance to mine on the first pool that's working. This has been my tactic for the last few months, I've been waiting for the first pool to announce its working then register there and start mining. Problem with that is sometimes the first pool is overwhelmed with new registrations and struggles to cope that's the risk you take.
Too many times I lost out on the golden time of early mining because I registered with one of the 'bigger' pools and they didn't launch quickly enough and I missed out.
Some pools just post identical messages to each coin to promote their pool. That would be considered a duplicate which add little to nothing to the discussion. Such adding of pools can be done easily by PM. If you want to find the best pool for coin X, just search the Mining (Altcoins) board. Regarding scam coins, scams (real or not, not for me to judge) are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. |
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Yes, davout was the first to contact theymos about this (on january on february) but he didn't get any news from theymos.
Several weeks later he sent a second request, same result..
Since he told me to ask theymos directly so I sent something like 1 request per week during the last 3 weeks and also tried to contact another moderator to see if he can help me 2 days agos (SaltySpitoon). He told me that he'll transfer my request to theymos and same result again (but It was only 2 day ago, maybe I'll get an answer soon ?).
Next move would have been to create a new topic here, but if I get enough attention here maybe I wouldn't have to!
I suggest you make a topic yourself and try to attract theymos' attention. He gets a lot of PMs so he usually forgets if he doesn't have the time when he notices. Try PMing him at different times of day and during different weekdays. You might hit the spot when he isn't busy and can honor your request. Don't spam him though. |
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Here another unofficial rule :
- You can try to contact theymos, but he'll probably never answer !
I'm tryng to get some descriptions added to the french's sub boards (+ creation of 2 new ones) since months now but It seems impossible to get 10 mn of theymos time to get this things done or to reply telling me/us it'll be done one day (or not).
It's sad because this could help the french board being more organized and help people post in the good board but it doesn't seems that theymos cares about the french boards..
Have you tried contacting one the mod in charge of the French local boards regarding the creation of the sub boards: davout? |
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Added in an FAQ (still unfinished) and rule 22 with a source. Suggest possible FAQ questions, maybe something you've seen quite often in Meta recently or somewhere else.
for faq: why no avatars? when's the new forum blah ready? i wanna change my forum name why my ip got banned/units o'evil Will add. EDIT: Done, thanks. That's kind of covered by rule one: 1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]
Besides it the source can't be considered trustworthy unless posted by a long time staff member although I do agree that quote pyramids are not allowed. I added it in the examples of the first rule: Examples:
1. Such posts like "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads. |
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this is bullshit rule that fucks over those of us who want to find pool fast and grab some of the first low difficulty coins, i don't want to be checking the mining subforum or waiting for dev to get pm and add to op, this only wastes time and allows ppl with their own mining hardware and insiders to get more of the easy coins
its only spam when pool owner post their link in the same thread multiple times, don't see the problem allowing them to post once
We've had some serious trouble with pool spammers (those adding any coin and posting (nearly) an identical message to all altcoin announcements). They just clutter up a discussion and can be avoided simply by making people add pools through PM. If you want to mine a coin early, mine it solo. If you can't, don't worry - probaly nobody will be until the coin author adds the info. |
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Thekool1s
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Activity: 42 I think you should spend more time building trust, otherwise no one is going to use your services. |
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