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4921  Economy / Speculation / Re: Whats the next Innovation that will rise? on: December 19, 2019, 05:33:51 PM
We might not have seen the next innovation. To put digital cards on the blockchain would mean visa, mastercard or someone with enough control over them would have to start being interested in blockchain.

There are clear reasons why banks won't accept blockchains. The next big thing might be emptier blockchains (apparnetly mimblewimble can save a lot of space but I haven't looked into the whitepaper yet)... The LN could be a big thing next.
4922  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Question and Traditional Markets on: December 19, 2019, 05:29:56 PM
When do you think that Stocks and other traditional financial derivatives will be connected to Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies?
There are two ways you can take this:
1. will bitcoin be tradable directly for stocks?
2. will stocks be put on the blockchian?

1. You can use a go-between such as fiat to convert cyrptocurrency to stock on exchange sites such as etoro (there are probably others but I've used etoro).
2. This is possible but I don't actually think it should or will be done because it could be possible for someone to own everything. If they wanted to, it wouldn't be hard to do it but you'd ve to make it so it will be difficult to upgrade the network without a certain consensus and a certain timelock to avoid sabatage.

Is this even possible? And if this was possible , could we see futures using BTC to short example GOOGLE?
Generally to short something you need someone else to long it. It would probably get really confusing trying to do things like longing bitcoin with gold and the derivatives markets that sell contracts just get annoying because it's how companies print money when done badly (and a lot of companies like to do things badly and worry about it later, normally when the company has gone to another ceo and that ceo is on a boat somewhere untouchably enjoying their retirement)...
4923  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: sent my btc wrong on: December 19, 2019, 05:09:41 PM
yeah it has to been offchain, because when i did copy my bitcoin adress then sent it, i notice that it wasent the one i copy. So it has to be a virus or something, because im 100% sure i copy the bit adress im suppose to send to 0.02530726 this is how many bitcoins i lost....

32fmz1pdmo9XWyMAeNoniaNE94f9ubs6Ae this was the one i was going to send to and it got sent to       Sent to 32fmz1pdmo9XWyMAeNoniaNE94f9ubs6Ae
txid 5c688e313326e00b288c888455e8cf3e29dcab8a78463b4edd9077a8e5b23da4    

and as u can see its very wrong... and i wish i get my bitcoins back. Im swedish so i send 2000 swedish kr (200€) please help me guys i have no idea how it got sent to this other adress


im using a swedish website called LocalBitcoins.com

https://localbitcoinschain.com/address/3PJ8va5VdsaK4JXtu85vU4TAe636rptWy7 if anyone wanna support me because this isint supposed to happen and this 2k was not  my money........ i kinda feel suicidal right now.

Both of those addresses are the same? It's likely you've got a clipboard virus if it's done that here too.

The coins were sent at this datetime: 2019-12-19 11:15:12
4924  Economy / Services / Re: [FULL] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | Sr Member+ | Up to 0.0375 BTC/w on: December 19, 2019, 05:04:45 PM
@DS and CM, are there any plans to make a new signature for the three year anniversary of the campaign in ~20 weeks.

It's very catching currently but if there were two different sig designs avaliable then it might make longer standing members/visitors notice the difference in signatures.
4925  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin a Good Investment? Does Hodl Work? on: December 19, 2019, 04:57:16 PM
Aha! I remembered the site I used:

https://uk.investing.com/crypto/bitcoin/historical-data

I don't know how far back they go but I downloaded from 2013 from somewhere (it was probably there).

P.S to download, I think you have to make an account.
4926  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin a Good Investment? Does Hodl Work? on: December 19, 2019, 01:29:44 AM
I'm leaving this here as a reminder for me to look tomorrow for where I downloaded the rates from. I had to reset Firefox due to a corrupted profile so it lost the download link and it was a csv file so it won't have much meta data.

I know I downloaded one for coinbase and bitfinex I just don't remember where but it's much easier for analysis.

It had open, close, high and low.
4927  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin a Good Investment? Does Hodl Work? on: December 19, 2019, 12:59:59 AM
I made a spreadsheet around July 2019 to try to see how dollar cost averaging performs on a monthly basis.

I came to the conclusion that anything over 9 months displayed good investment potential with around >12 months being the optimum for safety and a small amount of profit.



I did no further analysis after that point because it showed the next nine months were going to be quite bad for bitcoin which I didn't think seemed right but as so far turned out to be true (might be interesting to check the numbers though).


data used was for 2013 to 2019.
4928  Economy / Economics / Re: Exchanges are rebelling against constant hard forks on: December 19, 2019, 12:23:24 AM
Developers really love doing all these forks - but they are a massive nuisance for everyone else. The exchanges, the online wallet providers, the payment processors, all of them have to do a shedload of work to accomodate these changes.

Yeah, just look at the segwit forks to see how bad everyone is at wanting to use new forks. They were just two forks in august but it took many users more than 6 months to even bother to start using segwit.

Developers are going to have to do their best to make things backwards compaitble like is done with bitcoin to ensure everything remains fairly stable and usable for the exchanges. Btc, ltc and doge are pretty good at doing this, if eth starts adding a load of forks and a few other cryptos do the same, exchanges will find it hard to run anything less than a full/pruned node while keeping security but they may have to compromise on a few things (such as fully reviewing code) to ensure their version of the software is compatible with the current fork at the time.
4929  Economy / Lending / Re: Free lightning tests on: December 18, 2019, 05:29:26 PM
Available now for at least 6 hours - please send 6 hour requests though as I will be afk for a few.

When I'm not around, try timelords service here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184177.0;dt
4930  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Why do you use which wallet? Is there a feature you miss? on: December 18, 2019, 04:56:58 PM
My mum uses Android. I have already used the electrum wallet myself and actually found it quite good. Updating the latest Blocks take some time if you not use it daily but that should be totally okay. Also I don't find that UI from electrum very nice.

A feature that I miss is that if my mum does a transaction that is over a certain amount, it would be a very cool if I could "co-sign" it.

I think the way you could get around this (if you were using electrum or another wallet happy with multisig) is by making two accounts.

Say you have 0.1BTC and you only want her to spend 0.01BTC for daily use (without additional security) then you could make a secondary wallet with that amount and make a primary wallet with the greater amount in it. If you're worried about her getting scemmed then it might be better to do it that way as a scammer could just send a load of other addresses to her.

A lot of the time with electrum, she can sign the multisig transaction and then send a message with the sighnature (as it's automatically copied to the clipboard) and then you can sign it wherever you are as long as you have your phone and it's online.

I miss the old Blockchain.info wallet  Sad

What exactly do you miss about a particular wallet? That service still exists, the only thing that has changed is the domain name, before .info, now .com. Some things have probably changed for the better, and it's still a very popular online wallet, especially for beginners.

Personally I don't like the new ui of the block explorer, it's not as light to load as it used to be and the top banner isn't as nice. Haven't used the wallet in a long time (and barely ever used it before) but I imagine it's plastered with ads and ref links now...
4931  Other / Meta / Re: Feature Request: [Site Status Page] on: December 18, 2019, 04:45:25 PM
I'm not sure of the architecture of bitcointalk but I think there might only be one virtual server for the entire site (my laptop has only one connection to an ec2 server that is established and running - one is waiting but it may be closed and hasn't sent a termination request).

Therefore this would be a job for someone like loyceV or Vod potentially. They could probably just check for an error "502" but it's difficult to parse errors for smf and for a lot of servers because no one would state the problem with the server becasue the current task can be exploited (potentially by the DDoSer if they're clever enough). So there could be a script error and the forum will seem down.

Do you have to pay for cloudflare for it to show an archive of the site or does theymos just not want to to do it?
4932  Other / Meta / Re: Add to all market boards: "Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams [...]" on: December 17, 2019, 06:27:34 PM
You could probably include a thing of how newbies shouldn't deal with newbies if they can avoid it as it's often they're likely the least trusted or some part of the guidelines.

The message won't make much of a difference but it might affect one or two trades every so often so it's worth doing...
4933  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Will hit 5500 ? on: December 16, 2019, 09:52:53 PM
@bdivrik, a $5000 bitcoin would mean people paying 10 cents per kwh would be at b/e (electricity cost of $12 a day).

Remember though that as the price falls, difficulty normally falls with it as mining starts to become unprofitable for the people paying a higher unit price.




If you're holding or holding profits best just to keep holding and try to increase your holdings by buying morw
. Minimal amounts can be shorted on leveraged trading but I don't have too much trust in the manipulators of this market).

4934  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Have £30 Paypal want Btc on: December 16, 2019, 08:57:33 PM
If anyone's interested in doing this, and OP. I'd suggest only sending to europeans as the fees otherwise seem to be very randomely charged.

You might want to offer other forms too as paypal is reversible, if you don't get any interest here you coulde try cex, binance je or coinbase (I've only used coinbase).
4935  Economy / Lending / Re: Free lightning tests on: December 16, 2019, 01:37:42 PM
I can't select anything on my phone... Going to try to reboot it again and see if thst works.
Edit: funds sent just after this.
4936  Economy / Lending / Re: Free lightning tests on: December 16, 2019, 11:30:17 AM
Here ya go:

Code:
 lightning:lnbc100u1pwlw6n5pp5ujqhqtv92j34ktv75pc2lujwnuqng3a434xvzp2pjc99u93yyvtqdqqxqr4rqrzjqwryaup9lh50kkranzgcdnn2fgvx390wgj5jd07rwr3vxeje0glc7zf4hyqqgucqqqqqqqlgqqqqqeqqjqq8krvsj3520exfmptg2hcw6267lwctrc5nuelu65vytfetnanusn2n2p4k0g65a433gg43f573y7zrx6pxpwmsv85exh27km7al5rngq4ls0la
4937  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Some thoughts about wallets. Random thoughts from Dave. on: December 16, 2019, 11:27:41 AM
Not sure if it's mentioned in that article but there are at least 2 ways you can compile some code (might not be true for compiling sfraignto something the os can run):
[ul]
  • compiling for memory efficiency
  • compiling for cpu efficiency
[/ul] .

There are things you can do to test the build of a wallet too. You don't have to go through something line by line exactly, you just have to look at what's run at what point (normally passing it to an interpreter) or what's sent along the network (typically if communications aren't encrypted). It's much faster to do a dry run or look at each line in turn to work out what it does. It'd take a really advanced programmer to hide some code that looks and acts like it does something different to what it actually does and randomly does something harmful that it'd probably take more effort than it's worth as it may not be possible in a few strict languages.


With trusting an exchange to hold your funds you're putting a lot of trust in its team and its insurance. Have you checked the documents and what they actually cover if they store funds there?



On the topic of people who love to check signatures and go solely of that, it's good but it's not perfect because you're trusting that person to not have accidentally stored their key somewhere they shouldn't and you're also trusting their version of the compiled key signing engine... If they didn't verify that install or even a piece of rogue software on their machine then you could also be at risk if that adds malicious code to the binary.
4938  Economy / Lending / Re: Free lightning tests on: December 16, 2019, 10:34:15 AM
Returned. Thanks!


Available now for at least 2 hours (but likely more).

When I'm not around, try timelords service too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184177.0;dt
4939  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No ifs, no buts, not maybe Brexit is happening by 31st January 2020. on: December 13, 2019, 10:49:42 PM
what you may not realise is if EU produce becomes more expensive the UK cn say well we can accept the higher price but we want higher standard. EG we only really grab champagne because its a higher quality. the other vinegar fruit stuff we dont care about

yes we would accept less quality stuff. but it would only be accepted if cheaper. so dont expect high price low quality. expect high price high quality low price low quality.. much like what we currently have with supermarkets 'basics' range and 'luxury range'... and everything else in between
our shelves will not go empty
by the way. EU accepts horse meat. but as a few year ago proved. we just said no. so we do have higher standards
Yes that's true. A lot of the meat we already buy comes from biritish farmers and as long as they're well funded I won't see any difference there (or even if the prices go up as they're classed as a higher quality).


I'd be happier to pay higher for good quality and potentialy lower for low quality (for certain people who can't afford the higher quality of product).

The basics and luxury producrt range is a good analogy like we have at the moment it definitely means consumers are trying to demand a higher quality in products if they can feel the differece (like me).

boris didnt really have a fist of power before. he was just a stand-in actor after T Mays resignation. but now as a elected leader he doesnt have to just be a speaker but a pusher.

(i am very much anti tory. but my mindset is outside of the tory drama and about the reality of economic change no matter who is in charge)

we already know worse case scenarios. and they aint that bad. its all just been drama of making it all sound bad just to make other countries not want to follow suit, enmasse
No the worst case scenario wasn't so bad, I think the BoE predicted a loss of 7% to our gdp if we had no deal at all so it probably sin't too catastrophic (I wouldn't like to be living paycheck to paycheck though in these times).

I think the three to four years of stagnation has led me to ignore the reasons I would have liked to leave iin the first place (i.e different labour sources since we would have more immigration from asia and africa and a few other places rather than just the EEA). There's also a bit of protection on better customs checks.

In the past we've always been on the same page with a lot of Europe (at least in the recent past) and it would be good for that to continue, I notice a lot of legislation is shared and copied between countries and I assume that will still be a thing since the UK was driving for privacy controls with Germany, Finland on its animal welfare and farming practises, France on it's stances against the US on certain issues.

Most people are probably in denial/disappointed by the vote for tory (since they only got 44% - not exactly the landslide predicted).
these days all political party lack any credible pledges/promises. so it just become a 'just get on with it' vote
I was really hoping for a hung parliament of probably 300 conservative, 250 labour and 50 snp, it was the only way I could see a good decision come of this because now the conservatives may be able to get a really bad deal through parliament without much resistance. (I had given up on assuming that the conservatives wouldn't have some sort of majority as they convinced the working class literally everyone else was the enimy and it was only them who could stop them)...

we trade with loads of countries. yes we will have extra favour with america but that doesnt make them our sole puppet master of produce supply. we will still trade with other countries. we are not trading an eu puppet master for a us puppet master. we are basically.. using a analogy even teenagers would understand.. leaving our parents home and setting up our own bachelors pad and letting more random girls come over and offer their services instead of being spoon fed by mommy and daddy EU.

Yep again, as long as our standards remain particularly high and as you mentioned with the horse meat issue the government was fairly fast to find it in supermarkets.

And as someone mentioned above, the worst that can happen is we pay 12% extra for food. Also, if you look into certain products, I think the shippers make a huge cut on some of them (I have a contact from spain who said a lot of the fruit and veg there was a lot cheaper than it is here - I forget the speciifics - shippers and truck drivers certainly amount to the extra costs of imported food, I did a case study on it with a few economists a while back and it was a very profitible industry).


Also coroporation tax is going down to 17% (I think it's 19) so that might allow for some losses due to a bad departure.
4940  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No ifs, no buts, not maybe Brexit is happening by 31st January 2020. on: December 13, 2019, 09:00:29 PM
Since we opted in to a lot of food standard from the EU (such as with bird egg and meat production) I will assumnthis stays at a similar ethicicity and doesn't become like the US where 'free range' just means without cage and on a concrete floor away from any sunlight (I mean if you want no nutrition then sure)...

The UK won't leave the EU by the end of January, we'll just start out exit. Which will take another four years. And even then, Boris said we were leaving on October 31st and the same politicians blocked that...



Most people are probably in denial/disappointed by the vote for tory (since they only got 44% - not exactly the landslide predicted).

Either way this is going to either end horribly or quite well. I'm not sure how much trade we do with the US but they do have a lot of investors which their government will want to keep happy.

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