I have 630 players on my rakeback program, most of which are rakeback pro's yet none have complained about owed VIP rakeback. And the one's that have complained, the system ended up crediting them their rakeback a day or two later because it isn't guaranteed that you get your VIP rakeback the next day.
There's so much FUD in this thread.
Does betcoin have hidden tables or something? That's the only explanation I can think of for a site with 7 day ave of 20 players and a peak of 60 to, at the same time have hundreds of rake back pros. They can't even fill a 2 table nightly guar without handing out tickets and satellites etc...
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What are the current numbers? Weekend is coming and I am expecting the Chinese not just to participate but to dominate.
They are at 7,767 bets since launching on June 10 for an average of about 2 bets per hour. They have 3 contracts that are still working with 35, 165 and 285 ETH invested in each. Their all time biggest winning bet was for 2.5 ETH They appear to be deleting players chat messages that complain about slow processing times. TwitchySeal, you are just trolling the discussion. Who are you? Vdice team is the best, everybody can see it in https://crowdsale.vdice.io/#team, there is not a single word on any scam about them. Well, the ignore button is here for a reason, get a life. Just spreading the truth. Sorry if it bothers you.
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What are the current numbers? Weekend is coming and I am expecting the Chinese not just to participate but to dominate.
They are at 7,767 bets since launching on June 10 for an average of about 2 bets per hour. They have 3 contracts that are still working with 35, 165 and 285 ETH invested in each. Their all time biggest winning bet was for 2.5 ETH They appear to be deleting players chat messages that complain about slow processing times.
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pocketdice,
You posted some false accusations about me. I provided proof that they were false. Have you thought about setting things straight?
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In my opinion, the only reason the accounts have value is because of the signature campaigns. If someone purchases an account so they can earn more in a signature campaign, it would be a good investment, which is the only reason I would think one would want to purchase an account. Lets work together and prevent the accounts from being sold for scamming purposes by all loaners agreeing to neutral tag every account the day it is sold as being sold on this day. This tag would ideally have something stating in it that the account was sold and that no previous trust should be considered. To give it purpose, I suggest that all ligament tags should have a reference back to the collateral loan where the account was lost. I understand how account sales give scammers the opportunity to get over on people, but this would warn people which accounts have been purchased and which accounts were not.
What most are not understanding, no offence high ranking members; however, anything can have a value to someone else. It does not matter if it has a value to you or if it does not, if someone else has a purpose for it, then it has a value. How many people throw away their plastic milk jugs after they are done being used? Better yet, how many people send them to recycling? Why do you do it? Most people will answer because it is garbage. Now if someone told you how you could come across 100,000 of those a day with very little effort and each one of them are worth $.012 USD, would throw them all away? Most people would answer no. The same goes with the accounts, they will always have value as long as someone else has a use for them.
Lenders beware - if you accept an account as collateral, it might get neg feedback due to the actions of a previous owner.
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TwitchySeal get a life. Damn you are annoying kiddo. Whole Ethereum is in beta.
Just trying to prevent people from getting screwed. You would prefer If I stopped? For me it seems legit project that is still under development. You are posting same post every few hours. Quite annoying. Really. They launch in June, claim to be wildly successful. Update every week on how successful they are for months and how solid and fast their code is. Launch ico in November. Shit barely works. They're not provably fair or decentralized, They claim to have raised $1.5 million and then mention after they collect more money they will begin alpha phase... Use your brain please. "for me it seems legit" wtf? You have no clue and just felt like being a dick.
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TwitchySeal get a life. Damn you are annoying kiddo. Whole Ethereum is in beta.
Just trying to prevent people from getting screwed. You would prefer If I stopped?
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Speaking of multiple accounts: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F9db6d1e38cca2c32c59f75e24d05c2ad.png&t=663&c=trCYRNp--Vsn6w)
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What did i lie about?
Nothing's out of context. I posted complete sections and reference link to document. Get real.
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Ahh, so you think that makes it ok to lie. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) The part you left out from Executive Summary Section of Audit .... ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F255b8356d14f314756d8d1c9d4202e12.png&t=663&c=wnsA1fVoOW2-qg)
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Означает ли это звучит как доказуемо справедливой, децентрализованного кости сайта? Это не. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2Fd92de2ffbc37646dfa92f5d124bc7d16.png&t=663&c=l46yJiCynnIpgQ) Oraclize и Random.org Фундаментально, VDice опирается на целостность нотариального Доказательство TLS как это реализовано по Random.org и Oraclize - VDice запрашивает ответ от HTTPS Random.org случайное число API через Oraclize. Oraclize возвращает ответ и обеспечивает включения и отключения цепи доказательств того, что было сделано заявление, и ответ предложил фактически от Random.org. Такой подход не плох, но у него есть ограничения. Replay Нападения Как уже говорилось в предыдущих проверок, существует риск того, что Oraclize будет повторять запросы пока они не получают предпочтительное случайное число от Random.org. Чтобы уменьшить этот риск, Random.org обеспечивает подсчет API вызова, который называется requestsLeft, который показывает, сколько запросов осталось на ключ API, счета в течение дня. Oraclize предлагает, правильно, что если это число идет вниз по одному для каждого просить, чтобы они не переигрывали. Тем не менее, это не делает никаких заявлений о том или нет переигран Random.org; Я не знаю почему они не могли воспроизвести число внутренне для того, чтобы разорвать контракты VDice. Random.org делает бизнес продажи случайных чисел для лотерей среди других, таким образом, мы можем предположить, что у них есть по крайней мере некоторые механизмы внутреннего контроля, но я могу сделать нет никаких заявлений о них. Oraclize i Random.org Fundamental'no, VDice opirayetsya na tselostnost' notarial'nogo Dokazatel'stvo TLS kak eto realizovano po Random.org i Oraclize - VDice zaprashivayet otvet ot HTTPS Random.org sluchaynoye chislo API cherez Oraclize. Oraclize vozvrashchayet otvet i obespechivayet vklyucheniya i otklyucheniya tsepi dokazatel'stv togo, chto bylo sdelano zayavleniye, i otvet predlozhil fakticheski ot Random.org. Takoy podkhod ne plokh, no u nego yest' ogranicheniya. Replay Napadeniya Kak uzhe govorilos' v predydushchikh proverok, sushchestvuyet risk togo, chto Oraclize budet povtoryat' zaprosy poka oni ne poluchayut predpochtitel'noye sluchaynoye chislo ot Random.org. Chtoby umen'shit' etot risk, Random.org obespechivayet podschet API vyzova, kotoryy nazyvayetsya requestsLeft, kotoryy pokazyvayet, skol'ko zaprosov ostalos' na klyuch API, scheta v techeniye dnya. Oraclize predlagayet, pravil'no, chto yesli eto chislo idet vniz po odnomu dlya kazhdogo prosit', chtoby oni ne pereigryvali. Tem ne meneye, eto ne delayet nikakikh zayavleniy o tom ili net pereigran Random.org; YA ne znayu pochemu oni ne mogli vosproizvesti chislo vnutrenne dlya togo, chtoby razorvat' kontrakty VDice. Random.org delayet biznes prodazhi sluchaynykh chisel dlya loterey sredi drugikh, takim obrazom, my mozhem predpolozhit', chto u nikh yest' po krayney mere nekotoryye mekhanizmy vnutrennego kontrolya, no ya mogu sdelat' net nikakikh zayavleniy o nikh. Источник: VSlice AuditНоября 2016 года, автором которого является
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Does this sound like a provably fair, decentralized dice site? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2Fd92de2ffbc37646dfa92f5d124bc7d16.png&t=663&c=l46yJiCynnIpgQ) Source: VSlice AuditNovember, 2016. Authored by Peter J Vessenes and Dennis Peterson.
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Does this sound like a provably fair, decentralized dice site? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2Fd92de2ffbc37646dfa92f5d124bc7d16.png&t=663&c=l46yJiCynnIpgQ) Source: VSlice AuditNovember, 2016. Authored by Peter J Vessenes and Dennis Peterson.
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Ahh so you're not even in beta now, huh? As of the moment you wrote this post? You just poof, past 5 months just poc...interesting... (you guys are ridiculous) June 11, https://blog.vdice.io/ethereum-lightning-betting-onchain/We didn’t think about it. We’re so focused on software. We’ll let you know.
We’ll keep having the fastest, safest, onchain oracle transactions.
We’ll keep building the best technology…for everyone. Ethereum lightning betting.
ethereum lightning betting 1
Our API…no one can believe our API. Everyone was talking about Blockcypher and their API. Then we come out with our API. People can’t believe it.
The number of developers we’ve sent our API stuff to already, just in this last 48hrs…It’s incredible. It’s so great. And all free!
We care about the software. They see that. And the network. We care about the Ethereum network. Ethereum lightning betting is coming.
Aug 2 https://blog.vdice.io/vdice-development-update/Here’s the vDice development update for August.
We’ve been super busy. Can you believe all the action? It’s amazing.
At vDice, we’re on the cutting edge.
Development Update
Already we’re recognised in Ethereum. We’re the leading Blockchain Gambling Dapp. Everybody agrees.
Our players want it much faster. Alright, so we’ve been working with our Oracle.
We’re going to make betting process even faster. It’s gonna be so fast. You won’t believe it. We’re gonna role that out this month.
Oct 6, https://blog.vdice.io/crowdsale-announcement-vdice/[/size] The game is already successful. You don’t need to wonder.
on November 15th you contribute your Ether (ETH). In exchange, you automatically receive vDice tokens (called; ‘vSlice’) and profits.
Each token is directly tied to the profits of the game.
Everything works right away. Because the game already works.
You can trade the tokens on exchange, immediately. Or keep them. And keep game profits.
It’s that simple. Nov 16After the ICO we are moving from PoC stage to Beta Then our priority is:
1. Faster blockchain betting times. We already have them down to 5s on the test-net.
2. More betting options.
3. Site design.
It's all coming after ICO. The funds are now there to make this a truly commercial product. . It's almost as if you're saying whatever you think will attract the most investors...without taking reality into consideration. (I'm calling you a liar)
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They owed me several BTC worth of rakeback last year. I opened the ticket in september 2015, they denied it for a couple months then ignored me for a couple months before finally giving me my 3 BTC and status points in March 2016. They want you to get frustrated and give up. They don't want you to tell other players about it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.msg14201079#msg14201079
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The thing is that XAPO these days is a really huge hassle to deal with. I think ever since they got very popular they have been under restrictions with the KYC. There are many people who had their accounts locked without access to their BTC without providing multiple pieces of KYC.
Yes, and the support takes ages to respond! Besides XAPO there are few other alternatives however they are popping out of nowhere and no idea if they will be up and running next month. XAPO at least is regulated so they dont run off with your Bitcoins. Huh? Why should they let any third party hold onto their players money? Just secure the bitcoins responsibly - it's not rocket science. https://betking.io/blog/2016/9/27/How-BetKing-Secures-5000-Bitcoin-of-user-funds
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Now that none of what I've been told by various agents from VC I looked through my past results and the odds of me losing to the degree that I've lost on VC lotteries is off the charts. I've ran into a long list of issues with the site and have had decent amounts of btc lost due solely to VC and errors with their site or in some cases the game provider. But every time I settle whatever support issue even after proving without a doubt my point and the rightful amount I should have back there is no chance no matter what they every do anything but lottery tickets. Even asking for a few spins to resolve a case of a hundred Mbtc they'll never do it I've deposited over 20k with them and they keep me waiting day after day, week after week, just to get a response for an issue. And then finally once they understand and see the error they tell me they can only do some tickets and to wait another week. The only thing that makes any of it make any sense is that they are putting in the fix..why not credit 5 Mbtc worth of spins instead of a ticket which could cost them hundreds? Because they know the tickets are worthless. And all the "wait for 4 more blocks, block xxxxxx is the winning block" bull sh*t is just to give off a feeling of fairness and similarity hoping the players won't look any farther than that.. And holding all the drawing to end between 2-4 am et so not many people see it.. Whatever tho I've cut my losses with them and I'm done I just suggest to any of you who are unfamiliar with the site and a potential customer that you avoid it at vegascasino the customer service is a joke the highest up person there doesn't know what a Provably fair game is and compared to every other site this one sends off the strongest feeling of manipulation of the games to fix the house edge even stronger in their favor
To be clear - you're saying that when you receive a your lotto ticket there's no number or any type of code that makes it different from the rest of the lottery tickets? If that's the case (I can't confirm right now), I think there's a miscommunication somewhere because I'm pretty sure Bitcasino has the same backend and I'm pretty sure you can see each tickets number/string of characters to set that are compared with the hash of whichever block is used. Giving out blank tickets to be filled in by the house after the outcome is determined cancels out any attempt at transparency, but it seems like they have a system that should work. That doesn't mean they are rigging their lotto though, and honestly I would be surprised if they were. You should post screen shots of every ticket or give them permission to post the info if they can. Maybe the results will surprise you if you take a look with a clear head.
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From the looks of it, vDice has in fact received approximately 137,700 ETH into what appears to be their address for receiving ETH for the ICO. Anyone should be able to verify this by looking up the balance of the ETH address 0x8bCCc9BA2E5706E24a36ddA02ca2A846E39a7bbF on any block explorer, I used etherscan, which shows roughly the above amount of ETH received and no ETH sent. This does not mean however that all/most of this ETH did not originate from the devs of this site. The fact that what appears to be an etherum developer is also a dev of this site likely will make it difficult to make any kind of blockchain connection proving that the devs are the ones "investing" in the ICO. I personally would not be surprised if most of what has been invested so far is from people connected to the devs, considering just how bad of a deal this ICO is for investors. I think the amount raised is probably legitimate. Here's my thought process: If the devs had this sort of money themselves, they would've put it into their own site bankroll. But maybe not. There's perhaps a logical reason that they might not want to do that, (AFAICT) the bankroll itself has no protection from a malicious orclize or random.org. And on top their counter party risk, there's always the looming threat of bugs (that exist in all sites, not just vdice). So it's quite understandable to not risk too much bankrolling it. So if they had that sort of money, but didn't want to put it in their bankroll, the logical thing to do be inflate the profits to make it more attractive for investors. However, if you look at the "total amount won" over the sites history, that's 877 ETH. That should correspond to roughly ~17 ETH profit for the site (they have a 1.9% house edge). Less than a couple hundred bucks. So if the invested amount is shill-money, it would mean they're a) bad actors and b) have a lot of money. So they logically should've massively bumped up the sites profit, to make it look a lot more profitable than it is. So my conclusion is that they're probably legitimate investors. I'm guessing there are some unsavvy investors who didn't bother to fact check the site claims and put a little too much money on it, hoping it'd be the next big thing. I would be really surprised if more than 1% of the amount we see is from genuine investors. We know it's backed by someone with funds as they have the sig campaign, forum ads, twitter campaign, reddit upvotes etc...they also seem to know the ins and outs of the community pretty well despite nobody connected to the project having any real history or reputation older than a couple months. I think it's possible that this isn't the first time doing this for some or all of the people involved. http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/11/15/vdice-ico-attracts-1-million-less-90-minutes/?platform=hootsuiteCurrent data: (50% bet has been broken for a few weeks now) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F1cbd508c501c9a0ebff64b8d6303c964.png&t=663&c=z9t4viAmVwjBJQ)
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I don't know why some people have decided to be an antagonist to success, this is a project basing its model on another successful model in Satoshi Dice I realize you're probably a shill and haven't bothered to look into vdice, but I'll respond anyway since I'm a nice guy. Let's compare vdice to satoshi dice: Both sites automatically settle bets without requiring a deposit address. (other sites that do this include luckyb.it, girlbtc.com, directbet.eu and I'm sure there are others) Satoshi dice accepted it's first bet April 12, 2012. After 2 months they had their first day with over 30,000 bets (June 13, 2012) 4 months after launch they accepted bet number 1,000,000 (August 15, 2012) vdice launched on June 10th 2016. It took them 5 months to hit bet number 7,000 Get the picture?
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Seriously why even bother spamming?
mdexm, I suggest contacting coinprofit.io and posting what happened on askgamblers, latestcasinobonuses, thepogg, casinolistings, casinomeister and any other forum you can find.
Not sure if it will do you any good directly, but it might help prevent someone else from getting scammed and also decrease the chances of other sites scamming in the future.
I've been posting warnings for a year and a half (as have you) in this thread and still people try their luck with this corrupted casino. As P.T. Barnum once said "There's a sucker born every minute" It's still laughable that they drained his balance in Starburst, a ultra low variance slot, and even then it only took less than 20 spins to bust his balance. Just shows how crooked their pirated NetEnt slots are. At the very least they could have sent him off proper and wiped him out in Thief which would be more fitting for the circumstances It's a war that will never be won but hopefully someone will always be fighting it. Your words would be heard more louder when you only shame the casino's that are proven to scam, I almost deposited here, I even made an account already. Most of the casinos that pay me have been claimed as "scammy" by you. Bitstarz and fortunejack etc Most of the casinos have paid me also. Would you believe i was up more than BTC60 lifetime at Betcoin.ag when they banned me the first time? I've probably called them out for their bs more than any other site. Do you think a casino should be able to lie or cheat or steal and not be held accountable as long as they process cash-outs? There's much more to it. They pay people, so what?
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