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501  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it time for Bitcoin to bite back against clonecoins and scamcoins? on: June 26, 2013, 03:43:01 AM
Why don't you let the free market decide?

Where did I call for the government to ban any coin? "Free market" doesn't mean "freedom from criticism" or "freedom from backlash". I am calling for members of your beloved free market to give the public proper information.

Quote from: lazydna
not possible.
every asic owner would continue hashing sha because of their investment cost. and we all know asic hash > gpu hash.
who would mine the scrypt fork if they're already doing ltc?

"If necessary" means "if SHA256 is completely broken to the point of not securing the blockchain" which is the only real reason that one would desire scrypt. ASIC owners have no ROI if Bitcoins are worth nothing.
502  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it time for Bitcoin to bite back against clonecoins and scamcoins? on: June 26, 2013, 03:29:26 AM
Even for slightly interesting coins like PPC and LTC, any improvements they make that prove to be useful can be implemented into Bitcoin if necessary.

How do you think you'd implement scrypt in bitcoin?

It would require a hard fork but it could be done.
503  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Is it time for Bitcoin to bite back against clonecoins and scamcoins? on: June 26, 2013, 03:22:10 AM
Alt-coins like Litecoin and Feathercoin are finally hitting the mainstream media and it's clear that your average journalist has no idea about the issues involved, leading them to make ridiculous statements like this:

Quote from: Duncan Greere
Litecoin is orders of magnitude more secure than Bitcoin, due to its use of a cryptography technique called scrypt,

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-06/16/litecoin

For these clones to gain any attention at all due to the hard work and revolutionary ideas of Satoshi Nakamura is offensive. For them to be hailed as superior for making minor, unproven adjustments is ridiculous. For insta-mined scamcoins like Feathercoin to be given glowing portrayals is scandalous:

Quote from: Danny Bradbury
When creating Feathercoin, he copied the Litecoin algorithm, but tweaked some technical parameters, including the total number of coins that could be mined.

"I wanted a currency with four times the amount of coins, and to recreate the enthusiasm that we had in the first place," he says.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/25/bitcoin-successors-litecoin-freicoin

We must look to the comments on this article to find any semblance of knowledge:

Quote from: arman slipz
What this article doesn't point out about Feathercoins is that of the 8.3 million Feathercoins that are now in existence, 3 million of them were 'mined' on the first day (as can be verified by consulting the Feathercoin block explorer which logs all coin mining: http://cryptocoinexplorer.com:5750/). That is an unfair distribution of the coins in my opinion. Whilst not technically a pre-mine I don't see how it's much better.

Unlike Litecoin, PPCoin or other 'serious' cryptocurrencies there was also no warning or pre-announcement of the launch. This means people lucky to be on the forums the hour the coin launched (I speculate amongst them the 'developer'/copy-paster-of-litecoin-code) received an unfair mining advantage and were able to scoop a large amount of those 'super easy' day 1 coins.

Because of this and other contentious issues, Feathercoin has found itself subject to many attacks (which I look down upon naturally). This is well known in the cryptocurrency community and is something an investor should think about before investing since it can significantly impact on the value of the coin.

These are all facts and can be verified independently through research. For example checking the Feathercoin block explorer, or reading bitcointalk forums to read about the Feathercoin attacks.

We also find that the general public has questions that are not being answered by these "journalists", who likely do not know the answers themselves:

Quote from: Drewv
"The founders, who plan to make the Ripple network open source but haven't yet, could do very well if the currency gains traction"

I guess this means that Ripples aren't open source, unlike Bitcoin. What about the others? This could have been included in the article.

Does it matter whether a currency is open source? I am certainly no expert, but I suspect that being open source can be a safeguard against scams and hidden commands (because people can detect them in the code).

It is clear that your average journalist is not properly educated enough to inform the public about the "importance" of these alt-coins (which is almost none). From PPCoin (which is actually somewhat innovative) being barely given a mention in favor of discussing Freicoin's silly demurrage scheme, to Feathercoin being discussed more than the coin it shamefully copies from, to the words "Franko" and "WorldCoin" ever being printed in a "respectable" publication, it is obvious that the media is looking to trumpet the story of a "better Bitcoin" or "Bitcoin successor" regardless of the actual facts. They are too used to Apple releasing another iWhatever every six months.

The Bitcoin community must not allow these airheads to take the lead in educating the public about alt-coins. We must make sure that people understand why these coins are slightly interesting from an experimental perspective at best and complete rip-offs at worst. Having dozens of cryptocoins get mainstream attention will harm not only Bitcoin but the entire idea of cryptocurrency by diluting the ecosystem and confusing people.

Bitcoin must establish itself as the "one true brand" and make the public "accept no substitutes" until a truly revolutionary successor comes along. I suggest education along these lines as a task for the Bitcoin Foundation and other community members. The Bitcoin community has held back for far too long against alt-coins in the spirit of "openness" and "competition". Those times should rightfully be over. We now risk more than some forum nerds getting burned by a pump and dump scamcoin, turning into a scandal that harms the entire cryptocurrency community. Even for slightly interesting coins like PPC and LTC, any improvements they make that prove to be useful can be implemented into Bitcoin if necessary. The cryptocurrency community must focus on uniting primarily behind one standard to drive adoption. Some suggestions:

1. Educate journalists about why most alt-coins are scams and clones. Remind them that any innovations they pioneer can easily be ported back to Bitcoin.

2. Boycott services and exchanges that use or promote worthless scamcoins, clonecoins, and pump and dumps.

3. Get some hash power and 51% attack a few of the smaller coins out of the ecosystem. "Developers" need to start thinking about whether their coins are worth releasing.

Any other ideas?
504  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Theymos: What the fuck is up with BFL and TradeFortress? on: May 20, 2013, 04:05:44 AM
How is TradeFortress a scammer? You Ripple shills deserve the tag.

He is signing up newbies to Ripple with the false expectation that they will get 1BTC from him when in fact he purposefully leads them into signing him up with a 100BTC trust limit to himself.  I personally do not think this is worthy of a 'scammer' tag but others have certainly suggested that this straddles the line on the wrong side.

Link? I thought TradeFortress was against Ripple. Did he get paid off?

How can the mods decide if TF defaults or not? Even if we assume that he did agree to redeem all his IOUs in real BTCs, did he specify any repayment date? He didn't, he can always say he will repay, but probably after a thousand years? I see absolutely no resaon why a scammer tag should be applied, the mods are powerless against him.

This is a good point. There is no penalty in Ripple for defaulting. Why should TradeFortress get a scammer tag for pointing out a flaw in the system? I think that's his aim.
505  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Theymos: What the fuck is up with BFL and TradeFortress? on: May 20, 2013, 03:40:47 AM
How is TradeFortress a scammer? You Ripple shills deserve the tag.
506  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 15, 2013, 11:15:35 PM
I can't believe Google Ventures and IDG Capital Partners (a $2.5 billion fund) just invested in OpenCoin. Man, these guys are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes! </sarcasm>  Roll Eyes

Nothing makes me trust something more than when Google gets involved. </sarcasm>
507  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 13, 2013, 06:27:30 PM
Each validator signs the consensus ledger each time a new one is created. So you have a set of cryptographic signatures for each ledger produced by a large number of independently-operated validators, none of which gets to choose the rules by which new ledgers are created from prior ledgers. Further, the ledgers contain hash chains which lead to prior ledgers and signed transactions that justify the changes between them. Also important -- the gateways don't get to choose the rules by which transactions are executed, nor can they make exceptions to them.

How will this ledger chain grow in comparison to the Bitcoin blockchain? What can be pruned from it? Who has to store this chain?
508  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple++ on: May 13, 2013, 06:21:34 PM
A Google account is necessary only to host applications on GAE. And this project is not an alternative to Ripple. Regarding "Ripple" trademark - I use "Ripple++" which is different.

If you start up a restaurant called McDonald's++ you will probably still be sued.
509  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Ripple++ on: May 13, 2013, 06:20:30 PM
So this is basically just a test implementation? I can respect that.
510  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 13, 2013, 06:06:31 PM
Sheesh, the anti-Ripple crusaders come out of the woodwork more quickly than I can add them to my ignore list.

Maybe that should say something to you about Ripple? I find it funny how some people act like others expressing their opinion about Ripple is some giant conspiracy against poor little OpenCoin with its investors and trademarks.
511  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 13, 2013, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: mmeijeri
There is an equivalent,  the consensus mechanism. It's much faster, much less energy intensive,  and requires much less hardware than Bitcoin's proof of work. Nobody here really knows which of the two is more reliable. Joel Katz knows most about this, but even he can't be sure either way. Only time will tell.

Proof of work has sustained two widely used currencies and many smaller ones for years. Ripple's consensus idea is untested. It may not be broken but let's not act like it's equivalent to proof of work.

Quote from: Rampion
Well, that is just how the old banking system works.

That's a good point. The original idea for Ripple focused on transferring money between actual people. The new Ripple focuses more on gateways which are basically just banks. Ripple isn't much different than any old bank payment network. I'm really surprised that Ryan Fugger signed on to all of this.

Thank you, that's what I was looking for. It's a value transfer system similar to systems already in place with the exception of the ability to track that transfer and view all transfers on an open network. Correct?

You have to pay mandatory transaction fees and reserve requirements in a 100% pre-mined currency to participate in that value transfer system. Let's not forget that.
512  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 13, 2013, 04:49:21 PM
Can somebody explain what is the problem with making a pre-mined currency? If it's a common knowledge, I don't see any problem.

1. OpenCoin can manipulate the price by dumping XRPs.
2. It's a centralized feature that goes against the decentralization ethos of the cryptocurrency community. There's a reason that Satoshi didn't do it.
3. It is arguably unfair.
4. If there's this much controversy over it on these forums then your average person will never accept it. They are already wary of cryptocurrency.

With Bitcoin I can say that the coins are given out via lottery. This seems fair to people. With XRP I have to say that the creators gave themselves all 100 billion of it and intend on using most of it for profit. They won't accept that.
513  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 13, 2013, 04:38:35 PM
LIARS, LIARS, LIARS !!

Please do something for me: DIE.
In the two decades that I've discussed everything from politics to religion to philosophy over the Internet with people, I can count on my two hands the number of times I've become convinced that a person was not arguing in good faith. You have joined a very exclusive club.

Telling people to die is definitely overboard. I wouldn't even wish death on RealSolid.

Quote from: nameface
I feel like you overly hate-filled P-BARs could be fakes, repeating the same arguments over and over again in an attempt to numb us until we stop caring about any true flaws in Ripple. Creating simple straw men that even newbs like me can attack, all in an effort to compel everyone that Ripple is actually stronger than it is. Or are you just an idiot?

This is a good point. If ShadowOfHarbringer is real then he needs to tone it down. He also needs to realize that the fundamental problem with Ripple is that it uses a pre-mined currency. Its closed source code is just another example of OpenCoin's tendency toward centralization.
514  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 13, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
So much hate for SolidCoin just because you won't be able to payback for your mining rigs and ASICS?
Bitcoiners like to talk about free market up the point when a real competitor comes. Then instead of fighting and making bitcoin a better currency they just shout scam all over the place.
Let the strongest survive.
If SolidCoin takes over Bitcoin, that means that SolidCoin is superior.
I would be happy to know that RealSolid and other people behind SolidCoin got rich. They would definitely deserve it.

PS Actually I'm surprised that RealSolid wastes his time here answering the same endless stream of questions.


Ripple supporters sound so much like SolidCoin supporters that it's uncanny. OpenCoin is free to make what they want and we are free to explain why their products are a scam. That is the free market.
515  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 13, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
But even if all your assumptions were true, the argument is still completely absurd. If XRP is inferior to Bitcoin, why would any rational person worry about competition?

Ripple is morally inferior because of its 100% pre-mine. I don't deny that it's an interesting system with potential uses (which it was before you were involved in it). I can do interesting things with an iPhone too, at the cost of being put in a cage controlled by Apple. Sadly many people have no problem being turned into animals.

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My bet is that you really believe it is superior and that's why you're so afraid of competition. But I'm assuming you're being rational which might be a mistake.

I don't own a single Bitcoin. I don't have an address in my signature begging for coins. I don't care if it gets displaced by a superior currency. All I want is the freedom and fairness that Ripple does not provide.

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In any event, Ripple is going after a whole new pie, not trying to split the existing pie with Bitcoin.

There is nothing to prevent XRP from being used as a currency. It is already being traded on markets like a currency. Why won't it compete with Bitcoin? Why did your investors even give you money if XRP wasn't going to increase in value? You saying something doesn't make it true.
516  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple++ on: May 13, 2013, 02:12:27 PM
To use Google App Engine do you need a Google account or to consistently connect to Google's servers? I support this project, but replacing bad (OpenCoin) with worse (Google) is not an improvement. Any alternative to Ripple should get further away from OpenCoin's centralization. If you ever get Qubic up and running, implementing a Ripple scheme on top of it would be a better alternative. Also since "Ripple" is a trademark of OpenCoin you may want to use a different name.
517  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 13, 2013, 02:06:16 PM
If you agree then why do I still see "open" and "any currency" on Ripple's front page? How about "open (when we feel like it)" and "any kind of IOU"? Truth in advertising goes a long way.
If you want to repeat the same points I've already addressed, please don't style them as a question to me, as if I haven't already answered them several times. You already know my answers. If you're so big on honesty, honestly say that you disagree with my positions, rather than asking me to repeat them yet again as if I've never responded to these points.

I just want to make sure that as many people see your painfully inadequate answers as possible.

Let me make one other thing clear too. XRP is designed to compete with Bitcoin. Ripple is not an innocent, friendly companion to Bitcoin. It is designed to replace it. OpenCoin's business strategy is based on holding XRP and hoping that it appreciates in value. It will only do so if it is used as a currency, just like Bitcoin. If more people use XRP, then less people use Bitcoin. I would have no problem with that if XRP were superior, but it's actually a 100% pre-mined currency, a bigger scam than RealSolid could have ever dreamed of.

In essence, we have people here supporting a 100% pre-mined currency replacing Bitcoin because it has a nice website and is promoted as payment network. Is that all it takes to fool some people? The only "noise" in this thread is gullible people and shills supporting an obvious scam. That people like misterbigg were vehemently against it and now support it is proof that people are being paid off.

I have nothing to do with ripplescam.org and have not talked with TradeFortress at all.
518  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 13, 2013, 01:31:46 AM
Ripple is not a scam, but my contentions with Ripple are the following:
<snip>
Ultimately, competition in cryptocurrency land is good. I have great respect for the OpenCoin developers, and Ripple is certainly not a scam, but I remain unconvinced of the system's ultimate merit.
All of your criticisms are factually accurate, and I agree that these are the strongest negatives that Ripple has. I think the positives outweigh the negatives and that there are ways to mitigate all of these issues. But these are definitely fair points as Ripple currently stands. For many of them, my response would be -- wait and see.


If you agree then why do I still see "open" and "any currency" on Ripple's front page? How about "open (when we feel like it)" and "any kind of IOU"? Truth in advertising goes a long way.

While you're at it you could let us know why you tried so hard at the beginning to convince everyone that XRP wasn't a currency. It's almost as if you knew they'd treat you like every other pre-miner.
519  Other / Off-topic / Re: How anonymous is TOR really? on: May 12, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
Try using Anonymouth?
520  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 12, 2013, 10:47:38 PM
That Ripple only allows you to exchange fiat IOUs, not actual fiat, is an important point to note. OpenCoin has changed the point of Ripple. The original Ripple idea was that your debt would be routed through actual people and ending at somebody that you know. That way you could just give them money or get it from them in person with no hassle. With OpenCoin's Ripple you're supposed to trust gateways which are basically just banks. Routing through the Ripple network may be free(ish) but withdrawing from a gateway won't be.
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