Think about this, the D3 is dead, the L-3 is now worthless, BITMAIN just raised the price of S9

A few weeks ago an S-9 barely made U $10/day mining BTC, less power costs maybe U take home $5/day hardly worth the effort,

But now BCH mining with S-9 is pulling in $50/day, thus people will be putting huge demand on BITMAIN to develop, and pre order for S9 will skyrocket,

Bitmain owns most of the BTC & BCH as they control most of the asian farms, makes perfect sense that all this bullshit is just about extending the life of their dying hardware empire.


whattomine.com/asic?utf8=✓&sha256f

L3 / D3 lines are dead, most customers don't want the 100k units in the pipeline, now all the demand will go back to s-9,

s-10? Not likely not on horizon, newer denser chips aren't working, expect to see koreans or japs first

Of course it will come back, they're just cleaning out the idiots holding BTC, all these air-drops to get people to take BTC out of cold storage, and then telling idiots to buy shit-coins

Trading fake BTG (bitcoin gold) on yobit.net for 3+ weeks, people using their BTC to buy btg & bch, ... all clever scams to take BTC's from weak hands

Strong hands, kept their BTC in cold storage all along,

BTC will soon go to $10k as we have all known all along, and very soon BITMAIN will sell their BCH, and buy back BTC at the low price,

all is a scam

put stickys on wall with name of shit-coins

put on blind fold, get darts, number of darts of number of coins to 'invest'

put on blind-fold and toss darts, take off blindfold, and buy the coins that dart hit,

now u have a diversified portfolio of shit-coins

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The above algo doesn't work, as everybody is buying the lowest price in the top 50, the trick is to be the lowest price in the +2,000 and get the 1,000X, the only way to get the winner is to place a bet on all

'market cap' doesn't mean much in crytpo, it actually means that somebody has left too much money on the table and that its very likely that that the owners will cash-out

I suspect that better reward is buying the crypto with lower market-cap and riding it up on a random wave

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a better algo than random maybe to just buy the 'catchy name'' most of these coins are all shit, and what your looking for is the greater fool than yourself to buy, thus think about which coins sound like the next bitcoin

putting your nickels in a piggy bank, next year you will save more money than playing crypto

For months BITMAIN CHINA-ASIC laid out the game plan, to take away the BITCOIN-BRAND

That BTC was too important to be owned by 'little people'

That BTC was money for "The Gods"

They created BTG which created fear, uncertainty and doubt. They killed SEGWIT2 which made it appear that BTC was hopeless

BITMAIN cannot lose, they're just trading what they already own, for what they already own,

What they want is ..


1.) TO OWN the bitcoin brand

2.) To take the control of BTC out of core hands in USA and put into asian hands

BITMAIN (alibaba the amazon of China ) doesn't care what you call it BCH or BTG, they just want to OWN the bitcoin brand, and control its software dev, and be the king-makers of crypto

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Satoshi dreamed of 51% controlled decentralized miners, but for 3+ years now CHINA has owned mining, ergo china owns bitcoin by virtue of the fact that they control +80% of all mining on earth,


What happens now doesn't matter, CHINESE billionaires now control BTC "BRAND"

Most likely the banker at NYA provided the talking points and game plan,

CHINA GOV & USA GOV both have more in common than they do with their own people,

Time for a new BITCOIN of the people, and the face the facts that the "BRAND" is now lost to fortune 10 corporations that control the earth.

There are over 2,000 shit-coins, take your $200, and buy a dimes worth of each shit-coin, that will get you about 1,000 shit coins for each shit-coin family

Then wait one year, one of the shit-coin may be worth a penny, so after a year you get back $10,, from your $200, the other shit-coins will be worth zero

Welcome to trading shit-coins

It's NOT real, it doesn't exist, so it can in theory go to $100K

It can go higher than BTC

It's clear that the scam here is to get everyone to sell their BTC, which is what the CHINESE want,

They want to get ALL the BTC out of western hands, and into asian hands,

Only dumb white idiots are selling their BTC's to buy SHIT.

DEPOSIT&WITHDRAWL

Means 'working software"

There is NO working software, no block-chain, all is an illusion, all there is, is a bunch of websites and exchanges trading 'futures' for something that will never exist

What they have done is get 1,000's of people to take their BTC out of storage and spend it on SHIT.

TOMORROW cannot happen, there is NO software, there is NO block-chain, the main-net source code has not been released to anyone but pool.gold

Once the source is released on github.com/btcgpu, it will take 3-4 days to download the block-chain, its NOT compatible with BTC

Even the mining-pools will not be ready for days

There is a window for solo-miners who download the block-chain early ( it can be done ), but the window is SHORT, and U just know that all the assholes associated with this project will be using that 4-5 window to pre-mine all the low difficulty coins, once the block-chain is complete +4 day from code-release difficulty will go north of 100M, FYI zencash difficulty now is 600K

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IMHO the smart people will be mining all the good stuff like ZCASH, while all the idiots are pissing into the wind on BTG

Difficulty for GOOD top ten equihash coin should plummet during this klusterfuck

On btg.suprnova.cc

They're report 800k mega sol/sec hash rate by testnet miners, it will go up on main-net, if main-net ever happens

at that hashrate your 1070 will net you say 450 sols, so you get 0.0000005 BTG per day, about a penny a day at the current price of BTG

Good mining

Once the price collapses, then it will be like BITCOIN-Z, where the coin is worth 2 satoshi, but the difficulty is astro with BTG because its been HYPED for 3+ months by rich assholes in china&russia.

Most laptop's don't have more than 2gb in the GPU, its what keeps the GPU chip small so it doesn't generate much heat,

Ethereum mining has been dead for months, classic has recently gone to the top, for the same reason as BCH, just because its a cheaper clone, cost of entry lower for newbies

ETH has had its day in the sun, ETHASH is deaa EQUIHASH is now king,

There is no reason to play their game and put 1060-3 cards out of business, equihash works just fine at 700MB keeping ASIC assholes at bay, the growth of the DAG at ETH is just big mistake.

Just yesterday a BIG article in zerohedge.com about how ETH is a failure and their "token" model, has become nothing more than a venue to mint SHIT ICO's.

ETH is dead.

I'm mining zencash on my laptop right now, sometimes hush, and I get ton's of BITCOIN-z

It's a asus with mx-940 gpu, about 50 sols/sec without optimization.

Here's the secret whether ccminer, ewbf or whatever miner you use "SET THE TEMP LIMIT", these software will COOK your laptop, as they run at 90C,

I set my --templimit to 72, and whenever the temp goes over the 70C, the miner stops for a cycle, usually I only lose about 1 out of ten fetch-work cycles,


So yes, laptop mining is 'fine', just know what your doing, sadly most people don't know what theyr're doing, and most of these mining client software like EWBF are tuned to mine fee's for them,

Oh, and don't forget to set --fee 0.0., set the damn fee's to zero, so that ewbf doesh't send your hash to nicehash,who probably owns ewbf

above said I prefer ccminer, its open source, and get the exact same sol-rate as ewbf, the latest ccminer -algo equihash, has all the latest GPU optimizations.


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If your laptop doesn't have a GPU, then don't mine, its a waste of TIME, even the shit-coins like BITCOIN-Z ( which is better than BTG ), cpu mining it will get you like 4-5 sols/sec, which is one shitcoin a month thats worth 2 satoshi

A recurring theme here is "I have a GPU card, gtx-1070", I want to mine, ... how much do I make? Where do I mine

Let's take the proverbial rhetorical 'how to here', how do I mine with my gtx-1070

Ok, lets see ..

gtx-1070 cost $600 USD

A cpu, 4gb memory, and modern mobo, how about a btc-12 ( $100 )

You need at least a 750CM power supply and buy lots of them as you grow, cheap about $100 each, throw away that 450w cheap $10 pwr supply that comes in your pc-box

So now U have invested your $1,000 USD and ready to mine,

Ok, what to mine? Well U go to 'whattomine.com' and see what is most profitable for your one little lonely gtx-1070, well today it says your 430 sols/sec ( assuming u don't know how to optimize your gpu ), will get u $1.50 on zencash/zcash, sure u can mine bitcoin-z, but its a zero worth shit-coin, probably never go up, ethereum classic looking good, but only short-term, it will go back down, so zencash is the best option, again $1.50 day


Then you go to zen.suprnova.cc ( best MINING-POOL for equihash ), they'll tell u what to download for your miner sw for your system ( hope your using linux ),

Run your miner, let it rip, $1.50 day, but your power bill will be north of 0.50 so you will net $1/day, how long to pay for your hardware?? About 3 years,

After 3 years u might still make a $1/day, probably not by then your HW will be so obsolete will not even see 0.01  per day, then its time to unplug, cuz your not paying for your electricity.



Good luck, enjoy the hobby.


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Ahh, say U want to mine that NEW BTG and get rich, ... ok let's see right now testnet for btg.suprnova.cc is 800k Mega sol/s sec, so your take will be ...

4.644e-05 ( 24*60*60*430/(1e6*800*1e3) )

per day, so you will get about 1/10000 of a BTG per day, which means less than a penny a day profit, not likely to pay for power

nicehash is a scam, never use nicehash,

say u do with your one card, they require a 0.001 payout, that means u mine a month, then u still don't get paid cuz they tell u that you need 0.0015 to get paid, so you mine two more months, then they tell u the only egress is paypal ( for 50% fee ), or u buy hw from their store

nicehash doesn't pay in BTC, they just do BTC addrresses as an accounting number, but U never get a private-key when u use nicehash, NEVER

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Just mine the good z coin, trouble with zcash, is it will take you 3 months to get one coin, that's why in your class u should stay with zencash and get a coin every 20 days, rather than 200 days (zcash)

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Suprnova.cc pays out at 0.001 with 0.001 fee, so u want to set payout to be 0.1, rig people set it at '1'

suprnova.cc pay's out all the other POOLS do NOT

Don't bother with SOLO MINING, if your not running a farm with 1,000 GPU cards, u will see nothing.

Don't bounce around,

Equihash is best, and zencash has been the best for weeks and zen.suprnova.cc is the best pool,

Yep, the 1070 will net about 480 sols/sec if u optimize, that be $2 / day, so you probably not pay for electricity

This is a hobby dude, did U think ppl actually make money??

The money is in pull shit-coins out of your ass pre-mining, and pump&dump, miners don't make money, they just throw cash into the toilet on electricity bills

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U don't bounce around as good pools like suprnova.cc want u to stick around at least 24 hours, if you bounce  then you'll always get NO where, zen-cash has been best for past month, 2-3 months ago ethereum was best, now its shit, I think that equihash will be best for GPU ppl for a long time,


At one card U don't have enough power to accumulate coin,

I thinks its good to say accumulate zen-cash, say each mining rig six 1060-3 @ 1800 sols/sec, $10/day, that be 0.5 Zencash a day, one every two days, 45 per month, then u can setup secure-nodes and make a stedy income of free coins.

WIth one card  your only getting 0.05, which means about 1 zen a month, it will take years

So now U have a hobby, U must decide if your going to go to the next level, or sell your gpu card and get your money back??

Good  news is u can get yoru money back, ppl who buy BITMAIN D3's don't even get their money back, they just keep bat anchors that gen no profit

Build a little rig, get a BTC MOBO that is open and designed to mine, that has six risers built-in

Mining in a closed box is insane, they were not designed for more than one card, and even one card U can't keep the side cover on,

Just build a rig, and get a $50 BTC mobo, and $30 cpu/memory, and some cheap cards, and a cheap 750CM watt power supply, get lots of little fans, and one big fan to blow perpendicular

U want to keep heat < 70C, in a closed box heat just stays trapped

The new BTC mobo's are designed for mining, and dirt cheap, u can't go wrong, also the bios is 3rd generation and will support up to 12/24 gpus per card if u decide to go in that direction

don't use winows, its for game-boys and clowns, men who mine use linux

Use your mind

Do U know you PC power supply wattage?? Is it 500 watts or less?

Figure about 60% is what you can use, you mobo might want 100watts for cpu,memory and pwr-supply ( they do generate heat )

That leaves 200 watts, which means you can run two 1060-3 if you run linux and set power to 80 watts for each card ( nvidia-smi -pl 80 -i -0 )

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Now if you plan on running Gtx-1070's which cost $600 EACH, and will take U years to get your money back, .. then HELL YES U better buy a 750CM Watt power supply and figure it get a good 500 watts from it,

How much money will U make??

On my rigs so open BTC MOBO each with 6 1060-3, getting 1800 sols/sec, I make over $10/day mining zencash, my power cost is about $3 per rig per day, so I'm making $7/day per rigs of this class,

Each rig has two 750CM power supplys, each 3 cards suck power from each supply

These 750M cost $100, the MOBO $50, CPU $30, MEM $30, so $200 for PC, and $200 for six cards that's a cost of $1400 per rig of this class

So it take 200 days to pay off this HW per rig, and I'm talking about a rig here ( six cards ) your talking about maybe one card, so U may never pay off, and U may never even pay for your electricity.

The truth really does hurt,

sincerely

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To the GUY here that tells U to buy a gtx-1080 ( $1,000 each ), now your talking about years to pay back your HW costs

I find the 1060-3 to be the most profitable for sols/$, but even that is hardly profitable, think about it after 200 days, and spending 2-4 hours caring for your rigs, you don't even make enough money to buy a few beers every night

non-operational, no miners no stats, just a website false-front with no background software,

so what's the point??

all of this is just to create the illusion that BTG has a COMMUNITY, it does not

Who owns this domain?? btgpool.org?? U can bet the same people that all the other similar domains

Most of the BTG PR budget was put into websites, and NADA a nickel was spent on writing C++ to implement working block-chain software

Oh, and lots of budget were spent on BOTS to fill this forum with bot-shit

Because 1,000's of newbie accounts on this forum ask the same rhetorical BOT question hourly, and they never provide feedback, they just ask the same question, so as it create DOUBT that it is a SCAM.

Back in August 2017, on Reddit a research found that ALL the websites under the BTG/BITCOIN-GOLD family were all owned by the alt-coin scam syndicate's ran out of Russia/China,

Thus if all the websites associated with BTG are part of the BTC Mafia ( russian, chinese, & bulgarian ), then how in the HELL could BTG NOT be a scam, did all of a sudden the 2,000 shit-coins on the internet all largely pumped by the same orgs, all owing the same pools like YOBIT.NET, ... did all of a sudden these assholes become altruistic??

Come on BOTS answer this question?

R the PPL who own the domain-names associated with bitocoin-gold human?? Yes or No?

Testnet on zcash requires 'getblocksubsidy', they just added it yesterday to the code ( github.com/btcgpu )

Thus the only two working pools both btg.suprnova.cc and pool.gold are not actually using seed-nodes, they're just running on a private fork, in -testnet mode

The fact is in the code NO SEED NODES have been added, thus no actual internet testing has taken place,

TESTNET has probably only been 40% tested and the morons (BTG) talk about mainnet release 12NOV@1700UTC,

Not going to happen, given Testnet didn't get tested, and the proxy's are still not up, of the dozen so called mining-pools for BTG, none of the up are up except pool.gold which is a scam pool that has been redirecting 1000k sols/sec of equihash for 3+ weeks, btg.suprnova.cc just started running the testnet two days ago, but they say ...

"BTG.suprnova.cc - YOUR MINING WORTHLESS SHIT, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THIS SOFTWARE WILL BE WORKING"



Now some 12 hours before launch, IMHO will not happen, if they DO make main-net code available, it will take 3-4 days to download the -bootstrap chain-block, all must remember this is a new chain, its not compatible with BTC, so even these mining pools after they download the new code and compile, it will take them days before they have a complete block-chain, the way BTC(&clones) work, is that you can't run "getblocktemplate' until the chain is 100% and that takes 3-4 days

So that means 12NOV@1700UTC which pools will be operational? I think only pool.gold because they are the same people as github.com/btcgpu, which means they have early release  to the real software,where they can download the chain-block before everybody else.

Unless of course btg.suprnova.cc has a cozy relationship, I don't think so its clear from the red-banner above that suprnova.cc knows that BTG is a scam ran by incompetent scammers.

Pool.Gold has been redirecting equihash for 3+ weeks, when the mainnet goes live, what exactly will pool.gold be doing? Most people don't even have 'G' Addresses unless they downoad the mainnet code  and run 'getnewaddress'

IMHO most of the mining on pool.gold will be to faux addresses which means any found BTG goes to the house and/or pool

All is a kluster-fuck, ... planned or just organic human greed and stupidity???

That's probably the truth of this entire SCAM is "Occam Razor", the simplest explanation is that the miners that control +80% of BTC in CHINA, are pushing people to pay More in Transaction fees, there is MORE money now in fee's than in mining, this is where the profit lay's.

Always a new way to make a fast-buck, changes seasonally now it fee's, yes they're getting VERY painful, but remember that BTC is a rich-mans crypto, so a $5 fee, on $5,000 USD transaction isn't bad,

The problem is these $1 transactions, paying a 0.99 fee; somebody is either stupid or its planned.

I think a combination of CHINA-ASICS colluding to drive up the transaction fee profits, but its also these 2,000 shit-coin alt btc-clones, where people buy&sell 100's of 1,000's of shit-coins a day, but they use BTC as the primary currency

The average idiot has 0.05 BTC, but that 100,000 BTC-Z

Most MORONS have been told to TRADE alt-coins, but bank in BTC's, ... what is obvious is there needs to be an established 'banking crypto' for the little people, and a use BTC for the 'rich peoples' crypto.


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The majority of traders hold 20 alt-coin shit-cryptos they trade daily 0.01 BTC hoping that one will go to 0.5 BTC, of course it never happens, but this is the source of the ++100,000 BULLSHIT transaction per day

Sadly BTC is fucked, Satoshi would have never wanted BTC to be overwhelmed by idiots playing monopoly.

Something MUST be done to kill this use of BTC as the bank of "CRYPTO-GAMBLING"

The best thing is "FEES" perhaps given the same ppl, buy/sell 0.001BTC all day long, they should have to pay a fee of 0.001BTC that will put an end to this BULLSHIT, they will have to find another coin as their MAIN-BANK.