You really did us all a great service, and I for one am so glad you stepped up.  I'd try to help out with this, except I get too emotionally involved.  I'm too "I want it my way"  LOL.  If I'm not in charge, I can not go read stuff and stay calm, LOL.  So I know it must be a hard job.  I too hope someone will step up to take over your very large shoes.  They'll be hard to fill!

Thanks again!

I think it tried to, but as the price rose, large holders decided to sell, which is actually great because it spreads the coins to others, giving them an opportunity to buy.  But how long this kind of thing will last, I have no idea.  All I know is that the coin has great developers, great ideas, has proven itself to work, and is the first one out there that has done such an excellent job.  So I can't see where it will go wrong.

sdersdf2, I think it's going to steadily climb.  Up a bit, down a bit less, up a bit more, down a bit less, etc.... a stead zig zag finding new "bottoms" and then climbing again.  I think there is something different about the people interested in Darkcoin.  Not so quick to jump, therefore not so easy to manipulate.  But of course I may be proven completely wrong???

I don't know either, but any large holders that dump makes for a healthier coin in the end.  I think we'll survive it though because we have such active developers with excellent ideas and great work ethic (or obsessive, LOL)  Because of our great developers and progress, I don't think that the dumps will be harmful except that the growth in price will continue to be delayed.  However, that means more and more people will purchase darks and the distribution will be very healthy.

Just my opinion though

I'm having trouble downloading darkcoind, IE just opens the file in explorer.  Anyone know how I get it to download?  My Ubuntu is dead again.  I think I need another hard drive again... and another version, bugger is a total butt!

That just figures, IT JUST FIGURES!

I was gone all day, come back, almost have enough bitcoins mined (.01 needed) to get a deposit, so I can exchange it for Darkcoins and what happens?  Evan announces a release candidate and once again, I will be paying a higher price for my dark!  Evan, you're lucky I adore you, you munchkin!!!!

BTW, congrats and thanks

Could you tell me how it was fixed? tl;dr.
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The realization:
 DO NOT POST SESC LINKS

eduffield informed:
 DO NOT POST SESC LINKS

Then it needed more tweeking because the rewards dropped drastically:
 DO NOT POST SESC LINKS

Now comes the block explorer:
 DO NOT POST SESC LINKS

But after this, nobody mentioned the spilling of coins, that I could tell.  I started reading people talking about it around March 22.  But when the first realization happened, I don't know exactly, but I went through the posts until early February and there was no mention.

Around March 22, I posted about the "outrageous" accusations, LOL, but they were proved to be correct.  I remember earlier, the number of coins were thought to be around 300,000, that was when we were on Cryptsy even. They had them posted as 300,000.

So somebody finally realized what happened well after the fact, as far as I recall.  I didn't see it mentioned until March 22.  Evan wrote up a history of Darkcoin here: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/ and maybe we should write one that is researched so that time of events etc... can be accurate.  And just put it up somewhere for people to read.  You have to remember, hindsight is 20/20.  You can accuse people of knowing things from the start, but truth is much less likely so.  It's how the world works.  Evan was hyper to get his coin out.  I could tell he was excited and a bit reckless (read the first 24 hours, they made me giggle at the time, and endeared him to me) After reading his "birth of Darkcoin" I could clearly see, he wrote the code over the weekend (because he's brilliant) then launched it right away because he wanted to get it started and see what would happen.  Patience isn't one of Evan's virtues, especially since he didn't take it all that seriously in the beginning.  When he saw how other people got excited with his vision and started to fall in line behind him, I believe he realized the seriousness of having people depend on him to make this happen.  He has since been quite good at responding to issues more carefully (not perfectly, LOL [remembering the airdrop vote, LOL])  I don't think any of the issues were premeditated.  Miners use Linux, they can compile.  And he just wanted to see how it would play out.

In the end, you have to decide.  Do you think most of those coins have been redistributed over time?  Do you think the coin is in a healthy state?  and finally, do you think it has properties that make it have worth?  Obviously I do.  I even think the easy mining in the beginning caused most holders to sell everything off early, and that the coins have a better distribution than would otherwise have occurred because non-miners have been able to purchase coins since the beginning for under a dollar each. Most of the time, under 60 cents each.  That's cheap, IMO.  The price has been very stable ever since the theft of bitcoin from C-CEX, when the thief used Darkcoin to extract those BTC's out of C-CEX and sold them off at Cryptsy.  That was a huge pump (buying at C-CEX) and dump (selling at Cryptsy) and if you look at the whole of our charts, from that low, we steadily climbed and oscillated around the same base line ever since.  People here are in it for the long haul because of the developer and the concept.

BTW, I'm a complete newb to cryptos.  I started with mining bitcoin after reading about MtGox in the newspaper.  Had my antminer no more than a couple of days before my husband saw Xcoin's advert in the announcements section a day or two before it launched.  So all my learning has been here and watching what happened out "there" with other altcoins.  I tried mining litecoin, lotterycoin, emark, feathercoin, primecoin, probably others.  I didn't care for dealing with converting them to dark, so I eventually just stuck with darkcoin due to laziness.  And my antminer works away on bitcoin, LOL.  So take what I say for what it's worth.

dime, can you explain exactly what you're doing?  Because I might not be the only person who doesn't understand, LOL.
Thanks!

You know, I think that most of the people that are interested in this coin are simply not as manipulate-able as others.  We're interested in something different, something other than a quick buck.  We're kind of idealistic group.  I think they've been testing us out since the beginning and they just can't get a foothold.


True, and it may still happen, especially after DarkSend goes open source.  That's where I'm worried.  If we climb at a respectable but slow pace, I'll be impressed, but I suspect there will be enough excitement for our first pump, and we'll probably get dumped on as well.  It's not like it hasn't happened to Bitcoin, the Grandfather of our coin, so it happens to the best of 'em.  


I've thought about it, but I have no idea.  If I sold because I thought it was a pump, I may never get my coin back, then again, it could all fall apart, and I could lose the coins I have for a long time again??  Or???  Who knows.  If I were smart, I'd see it coming, sell high and buy back low.  Unfortunately, I have no faith in myself in knowing when that would be??


Investors approached Evan, our developer, and said they wouldn't invest in DarkCoin because of it's open ended unknown final number of coins (in theory, with indefinite time, we could have had indefinite coins if the hash rate stayed low)  Anyway, it was put to a vote to lower the number of coins that could be mined down to 7% each year.  This resulted in the new maximum number of coins that could be mined.  I believe around 90% of the community that voted wanted the total reduced, therefore it was reduced.



That's really cool, and more than that, it shows that they've got a comeback for the new Chinese laws.  The more they push, the more the people slip through their fingers


LOL, in my defense it was the first thing I saw after a very busy, hard day today, LOL.

Wow, that's cool, you got it down to his freakin apartment building!!!  Awesome, I wanna see you kick some ass (oops, I'm a nice old lady, shouldn't say that)

I'm sorry 

FACT: Evan screwed up the beginning of this coin
FACT: Evan fixed it as soon as he realized what happened (within the first 24 hours)
FACT: Nobody knew the extent of the oops until about a week later when a block explorer was made.
FACT: At that point, nobody wanted to go back and start over again after a week's mining on this coin, and if it had stopped at that point, many people who support this coin so rigorously and have done so much for this coin wouldn't be here today.
FACT: If you don't like what this coin does have to offer, it's your choice, why are you here?  Do you think the rest of us don't know the history? It's written out all over the place and easy to research.  If you don't like it go away.
FACT: The reduction of coin value to 22 million was something the WHOLE community voted for (I argued against, but lost, too bad) and has NO impact on the number of coins to be created this year, nothing has changed accept a 7% reduction in rewards each year starting in January 2015.  This, overwhelmingly was what the community wanted.
FACT: I beg to differ, I'm not so sure a few of you here aren't stupid, short sighted and unwise.

The barrier is the volatility.  They still have to pay someone like coinbase to sell their coins immediately so as to minimize risk.  It's too much of an unknown, and the floor has dropped out of Bitcoins on many occasions, and they could lose a ton of money in just moments.  Retail is way too competitive to take on any risk.

None of the things you've suggested will minimize a retailer's risk, only a long track record of stability.  Overstock sells their bitcoins immediately, they get transferred to Coinbase and sold as fast as the transactions allow.  Their prices are linked to coinbase plus a healthy markup to pay for Coinbase's services and minimize risk.  For such a large retailer, though, it also doubles as advertisement

I don't understand any need for this unless you want customer protections.  IMO Cryptos are supposed to be like cash.  If someone stole your wallet, you'll never get it back, so be careful.  Same as cash.  If I were to buy something from a retailer, I try to give them as little information as possible.  I used to pay everything in cash because retailers used to want phone numbers etc... from me if I used check (OK, I'm old) But I hated that!  I have since given up on my personal privacy, but don't want to give up on my financial privacy.  

Also, any attempt to verify if coins were stolen or not will ruin the fungibility of the coin.  That is really a bad thing for multiple reasons.

They're not.  Some wallets can have malware in them, but almost all wallets will come up as having malware in them with certain online virus scanners.  Malwarebytes, one of the most respected malware detection programs, marks wallets as PUPs which means potentially unwanted programs. 

mannie,  With multi pool, as I understand it, they direct the pool toward the coin that is currently making more money.  I don't want to deal with other coins so much, especially if it's going to take me away from supporting Darkcoin.  However, if the multipool turns all coins into the coin you want, in my case dark, then I might be persuaded to do it, LOL.

I just realized tomorrow is April 15th, doesn't look like Bitcoin died yet?? 

That's ok, if you feel good about it, that's great.  I'm not up on Blackcoin, I read about it, and wasn't interested.  So I can only go by how I feel when I did check them out.  In the end, nobody knows until they actually show something.

That's in the works (a note field that gets encrypted as part of the transactio), also there shouldn't be any problem for a retailer to accept the coin, it's instant and there can be no chargebacks.  The rest is up to them to have a good interface that the purchaser can fill out with all the pertinent information.  And buyer beware.  There should be no reason in the world a merchant wouldn't accept crypto, other than the volatility of the prices.

Why would a merchant need any of that information?  If they're going to sent the item, then that's one thing, but why would they need to know anything else about me?  

Now that would be cool!  I'd still have a favorite pool!  LOL


I hardly consider them an enemy let alone a threat.  They're boasting way too much.  By the end of May, I'll bet the developers will be long gone.  If you have any of that coin, you might want to sell it while it's being pumped....

I just totally love this comment!  LOL  Perfect Aleix!

Also, it's not so easy to integrate into another coin.  Easiest thing to do is to clone it outright when it's finished, but then if you have a developer that doesn't know how to fix possible issues, your coin is sunk.  So this won't necessarily be easy to clone and keep alive either 

That's really cool.  I assume the top addresses are the bigger exchanges?  According to your system, Cryptsy has over 3000 addresses worth over 522,000 dark!  But that doesn't include the #1 wallet, so I wonder who has the #1 wallet?  It seems their largest wallet is #3

Is there a larger exchange handling dark?