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501  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I love Google. on: September 11, 2015, 06:05:00 AM
Google is nice for a lot of things, but it scares me how big they are with such little competition in some areas.

They have gotten huge and I think the scariest part is how much information they have on a typical google user (just chrome and android).  They pretty much know all your interests, people you interact with, where and how you travel, what content you download, etc.  If this type of information ever starts to implicate people, I think there will be a huge surge in demand for browsers, search engines and mobile operating systems that don't track your usage.
502  Economy / Economics / Re: Government & Bitcoin on: September 11, 2015, 04:01:28 AM
Bitcoins will be hard for them to stop without shutting down the entire internet. Should a government act against bitcoin, it would drive the price through the roof.

The government of first world countries would never want their beloved currency to go to waste. They are already acting against it. They can't fully go through with it, however. It's a decentralized currency. The only possible outlet they have is putting place laws and regulation that make it harder to obtain or trade. NYC bitcoin LBC exchanges have pretty much been banned because you need a license (which is hard to obtain) in order to purchase/trade bitcoin. I wouldn't be surprised if more came.

I think there is a lot more difficulty in trading bitcoin with a fiat currency, as the fiat part can be tracked without too much trouble, and as long as financial institutions/banks carry out the government's will, it can make it a chore to trade.  What is very difficult to control however, would be bitcoin being used to buy and sell actual goods and services.  It is very effective at doing that, whether the government chooses to act against it or not.  In fact if they choose to be against it, then they will force bitcoin users to operate outside of the law, and that means that they won't be able to capture any tax revenue from sales.

The IRS already wants people to put bitcoin apart of their income if they have any. So it's not like people aren't already escaping the laws of the US tax system. Regardless, I would have to disagree about trading with Bitcoin and fiat currencies. In my opinion trading with BTC is much more easier than fiat currencies because of the fraud associated with sellers and fiat currencies. I'd only accept bitcoin when possible if I were to sell anything, especially online. I wouldn't have to worry about any type of bullshit going on with my money in terms of fees, chargebacks, ect. PayPal specifically coming to mind in terms of ecommerce and online dealings, they do nothing but rob you of your money.

I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to say.  I am talking about trading/exchanging funds between bitcoin and fiat (x bitcoin for y USD or vise versa).  Without fiat transactions, how is the government going to keep track of your bitcoin transactions?  It wouldn't be within their line of sight to know how much bitcoin you have.
503  Other / Off-topic / Re: what you like best in Bitcoin ? on: September 11, 2015, 03:55:24 AM
i really like bitcoin itself and it has many factors and uses that i like but there is one thing i like best in bitcoin and that is its anonimity. i know it's not completely anonymous but compared to other payment processors, bitcoin is the best on anonimity.
although bitcoin remain anonymous has the disadvantage that you can not ask the bitcoin refund if it has been sent. therefore you should be careful

There can be a third party that can act as an intermediary for transactions, or something like an escrow service that ensures the seller completes their part of the transaction before releasing the payment.

then what is the point of using bitcoin? using a third party would be the same as using a bank or like using PayPal. and third parties don't come free either.
i think services need to built up their trust. for instance if steam starts accepting bitcoin, nobody would even think about not trusting it.

It wouldn't be like using a bank, in our current system of central banking.  The money supply can't be manipulated and there wouldn't be a fractional reserve system, where you loan out several times more than what you have.

If bitcoin is going to get anywhere, it will need to enter the mainstream, and not having a dispute process for transactions will limit the number of people that will feel comfortable making payments like that.  They'll stick to their credit cards and traditional banking.
504  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 10, 2015, 10:38:15 PM
Well that didn't really answer the questions.  It sounds like you have blind faith, that is to say that critical thinking is absent.

So according to the bible and what you just said about atheists needing to die, then you have a reason to initiate violence when the atheist has not threatened you with violence.  Do you think that type of violence is justified and that only Christians have the right to live?

Your mentality dates back a few hundred years, where atheists were actually killed off wrongfully.  Even 50 years ago it was taboo to challenge religious belief.  Today we can debate religion pretty freely and I think most of the debates with Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins have beaten the crap out of the topic.  Imagine how many millions of people have been killed off in the name of religion...I bet the murderers were also just following the rules, without ever thinking about whether the rules made any sense or not.

Sure: I needed to answer your question before that debate.

Now I don't.

And... don't get ever again moral on me, I have lots of sins on my back so I'm carrying the same as you. I will be free only when forgiven.

I always replied to this kind of questions, now my sins are to high to get so deep in that discussion.


Thank You.

Well it's not really about your past sins, it's your current mentality which lacks tolerance for other people around the world.  If you understand the flawed mentality of "just following the rules" without questioning them, then why not question that mentality?  It's only people of this mentality that have been recruited into groups of mass genocide...killing tons of people while thinking they're doing the right thing. 

Why would someone that lives outside of a Christian dominated country EVER believe in Christianity?  Surely you see the correlation between people for the most part, continuing the belief or lack of belief in the society they grow up in...there's no decision making process.  You are Christian because your parents are.  If you grew up in Iran, you'd likely be Muslim.  If you grew up in Thailand, you'd likely be Buddhist.  And if they didn't get to you young enough, you'd likely ask too many unanswered questions to really believe what religion wants you to.  So when you see an atheist, instead of thinking that he or she should die, you might think that they just didn't have people forcing it upon them as kids and it has literally zero significance to them even though it does to you.

For moderating this thread and telling people when they are speaking off topic, you have not answered a single on-topic question I have asked you.  It's probably time to stop moderating others if you can't moderate yourself Smiley
505  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 10, 2015, 10:07:22 PM
So if atheists "need to die" according to the bible, how do you interpret or comprehend or process a statement like that?  Why would anyone need to die?  If you think that someone should die because it's written in a book, then your own ability to think is compromised.  If all you can do is refer to a book to make decisions in life, then what is the point?  Are you happy with yourself?  Do your friends consist of other people that base their lives off the same book only?

I'm just trying to follow the rules dude...


Well that didn't really answer the questions.  It sounds like you have blind faith, that is to say that critical thinking is absent.

So according to the bible and what you just said about atheists needing to die, then you have a reason to initiate violence when the atheist has not threatened you with violence.  Do you think that type of violence is justified and that only Christians have the right to live?

Your mentality dates back a few hundred years, where atheists were actually killed off wrongfully.  Even 50 years ago it was taboo to challenge religious belief.  Today we can debate religion pretty freely and I think most of the debates with Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins have beaten the crap out of the topic.  Imagine how many millions of people have been killed off in the name of religion...I bet the murderers were also just following the rules, without ever thinking about whether the rules made any sense or not.
506  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 10, 2015, 09:45:47 PM
YER RIGHT WHAT THE FUCK WILL DO ..its already started the war.. religion is gone..FREEDOM OF SPEECH ..FUCK YOUR GOD ANY OTHER GODS OUT THERE YOU FUCKIN CRANK Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

NO SUCH THING AS GOD DICK BRAIN..PLUS YOU OFFEND ME WHEN YOU SAY THERE IS ONE..
SO FUCK YOU AND YOUR GOD ..

I AM NOT SCARED OF NO MAN ..

I think that's the reason cause "atheists needs to die" according to the Bible.

We just saw an extreme case of atheist.

So if atheists "need to die" according to the bible, how do you interpret or comprehend or process a statement like that?  Why would anyone need to die?  If you think that someone should die because it's written in a book, then your own ability to think is compromised.  If all you can do is refer to a book to make decisions in life, then what is the point?  Are you happy with yourself?  Do your friends consist of other people that base their lives off the same book only?

I feel sorry for you dude.  Feel free to not answer this as it is personal, but can you share where you're from?
507  Economy / Economics / Re: Government & Bitcoin on: September 10, 2015, 05:12:47 PM
Few countries have already banned the Bitcoin. I think it's a clear sign that this virtual currency can end central banking and control. Money is power and if everyone changes and adapts to bitcoins it could potentially mean we can get our control back. Banks are corrupt and deserves to become obsolete. No more bonuses to bankers, no more transfer fees. I may be wrong though the govt loves power and will do anything they can to get hold of it.


There are so many types of transactions that governments force citizens to use their own currency for though, which keeps the demand of their fiat currencies high.  Theoretically bitcoin can work worldwide, but for example taxes are required to be paid in fiat, oil must be sold in USD, etc. which represents a lot of transactions.

Most people still trust their government far more than cryptocurrencies, so I don't think the central banking system is threatened, but I agree it is a terrible system.
508  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Suicide on: September 10, 2015, 02:44:35 PM
I wonder what would happen if a homeless man attempted to commit suicide.  Normally very few people give a shit about homeless people, and pass by them while their starving looking in the opposite direction.  When the dude starves to death, still no one gives a shit.  But when someone willingly takes their own life, it's a tragedy.

That is the tragedy of this entire story.
If you starve to death, it is acceptable. If you fast to death, it is a crime.
I believe the government should be able to satisfy the basic needs of its citizens.

Well the government doesn't actually create any value, so the only way to provide basic needs would be to either tax the rest of the citizens or borrow it from future generations.  With the way the government currently spends money however, I think it would be pretty easy to do.  I've read somewhere that it would cost $30 billion to eliminate world hunger and the US spends $600 billion on their military each year so reallocating 1/30th of that budget would do wonders.
509  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 10, 2015, 06:22:57 AM
@Joint
Why are you talking about science? I do not see anything in my post that mentions science! Think the closest I come to mentioning science is "bias".
This I do not understand though,now that you mention it,why do the camps need to be so clearly defined? Is there no room for people that sit out this dance
between believing and non-believing?
The problem with my posts is BitNow refuses to clarify his post and instead goes on a tirade that clouds the discussion. I will bow out to I see more rational thoughts being expressed.



I mentioned science because it's by far the most common refuge that atheists take when attempting to support their lack of belief in God.  Relevant to your post, it's a refuge that lacks merit as a basis for not believing in God (i.e. scientific evidence alone doesn't suggest anything about God one way or the other).

There's room for everyone regardless of whether they believe, don't believe, don't care, or are undecided.  That doesn't matter.  What matters is what is true, and so we can just stick to who is right and who is wrong, and why.

I don't think that science is used to prove or disprove that god exists as there is no way to do that.  It is usually used to disprove certain parts of religious text, like evolution vs. creationism or the age of the earth, and then say if that is incorrect, how can we tell the rest is true?

Regarding the attempt to support the lack of belief - having a belief in something isn't the default.  Without any conditioning, I don't think many people would even think up the concept of a god, let alone a specific religious ideology.  So for those that weren't conditioned from birth, there really isn't an explanation to support the lack of belief...it's just not a part of their life.
510  Economy / Economics / Re: Government & Bitcoin on: September 10, 2015, 06:10:46 AM
Entire ecosystems are springing up around crypto the government risks a riot if they allow crypto to mature then pull the rug out from under everyone.

Wouldn't bitcoin still be able to operate without the government's blessings?  It wouldn't be accepted by large retailers, but it isn't right now anyways.  I think individual online transactions would still be able to take place with or without the government's approval...right?

If they tried to confiscate bitcoin, that would definitely cause some upheaval.
511  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Krugman doing to Bitcoin what he did to oil? on: September 09, 2015, 06:38:59 PM
Is Krugman doing to Bitcoin what he did to oil?

Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize winning American Economist was in the limelight once again for his comments regarding Bitcoin. This time he was on a panel at the 92Y’s 7 Days of Genius event. The panel was inappropriately called ‘The Genius of Economics’. Mr. Krugman has hated bitcoin since it’s birth. He has gone on record many times berating the currency and taking a knock at its supporters.

https://ihb.io/2015-09-08/news/is-krugman-doing-to-bitcoin-what-he-did-to-oil-23379


Genius forecaster  Tongue




i'd consider a panel including a Nobel Prize winning Economist as appropriately named 'The Genius of Economics'.

funny thing is most 'genius' on this forum have done little in the real world, and add to that i've not seen even a core dev past or present have any real understanding of economics.

almost no one here understands how bitcoin gets its price, and most claim btc victory based on its price vs USD  Roll Eyes

Or maybe it should have said "The Genius of Keynesian Economics".  I went to see a debate with Krugman a couple years ago, and he is good at debating because he is easily to tempt listeners into tangents, and speaks confidently and arrogantly.  For Keynesian economics, he has decent arguments, but is unable to properly debate with libertarian/austrian economics views without being dismissive and lacking an explanation.  He doesn't entertain thought other than this own.  I prefer to see someone entertain the thoughts of others as deep as they can go, and then start picking apart the holes.
512  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life? on: September 09, 2015, 06:21:39 PM
Gambling is fun I agree but it will never fix any ones life even if you win a million dollars in lottery.
I know a guy who won the lottery in our country and after 1 year he is back falling in line to bet for lottery.

That's actually the way it is for most lottery winners. They win millions and usually within a year or two they are broke again.

One of the reasons is that they don't know how to spend the money properly and usually send it on stupid things. Or people steal from them.

This happens with people that haven't responsibly managed money before winning the lottery.  If they don't learn to after winning, then especially being around other people that encourage the irresponsibility, it usually doesn't end well.

I think that people that are generally aware and happy before winning the lottery are the ones that enjoy it long term.
513  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 09, 2015, 04:47:45 PM

Oh I'm not debating you.  You are just stating your opinion and you are entitled to that.  You don't have any rationale behind what you say, so there is no amount of arguing to undo the conditioning that has been done to you.  It goes back to suggesting travel Smiley

You focused on the OT: focus on the main subject and not in the OT and we can come to a point. (finding the Truth).

I even apologised for that!

I am atheist, but I take no offense to what you say.  I appreciate the apology though.

Again: that was an OT. Focus on the subject:
-) do you feel a sinner like the Bible said you are?
-) do you hate the book cause it think you don't deserve a life for not having faith in G-d?

I'm not trying to get you angry, I would have avoided you in the case, I'm trying to find what the commandements on atheism (idolatry) arouse on your moral compass. As atheism is condemned clearly in the 1st and 2nd Commandements and the punishment is teached in the Golden Calf episode (death).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

Again: I'm not telling you the religious view to take the piss on you, I'm telling you the Religious view on atheism as this thread is called "Why atheist hate Religion?" and telling what religion thinks about atheist is a good starting point.

I did many bad things in life that why I understand the sinner point of view.

Hope you understand.


Thank You.

Everyone has a different moral compass, so grouping all kinds of different people into one bucket because they don't subscribe to a religion isn't how it works.  There will be atheists with poor morals and others with sound morals, as there will be in any religion.

Now morals are different than sin.  Something that you would consider a sin may be morally sound.  I'd say if you live in a way in that you're honest with yourself and others, and live in a way that doesn't bring harm to others whether it be physically, emotionally or mentally in order to satisfy self interest, then it's you're living overall morally sound.  That obviously requires empathy/awareness of how others feel.  So being gay is morally sound.  Altering consciousness with any type of intoxication privately is morally sound.  Believing or not believing in anything as long as it doesn't harm others is morally sound.  But they are sinful to subscribers of some religions.  Now rape or murder is not morally sound, and it is also a sin.  But a rapist that confesses his sin goes to heaven right?  And an atheist that lives in harmony with others goes to hell right?

According to the bible, I likely am a sinner.  But I don't subscribe to it.  It is as meaningful to me as the quran is to you.  To answer your second question I don't hate religion or any text associated with it.  It is interesting, but not something that I can take seriously.  It's has the same significance as Greek mythology to me.  I wasn't heavily conditioned into religion as a kid, and grew up in probably the most multicultural city in the world, where religion is not dominant in society.  But if I grew up in a place where everyone was Christian and my parents forced me to go to church and catholic school and all my friends were Christian and I listened to Christian rock, I'd likely be a devout Christian telling atheists how stupid they are for not believing and being lost souls that will go to hell.
514  Economy / Economics / Re: Google Ad Revenue on: September 09, 2015, 03:46:37 PM
Yes there are some advertisements can't even skip need to watch completely. If video is interesting then some times get very angry but no choice it's a free video content.

Yeah those types of ads are popping up more often than before.  It is kind of annoying, but like you said that's the price you have to pay for free content.  I find that the ads are still usually better or more entertaining than regular cable TV.
515  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 09, 2015, 06:01:01 AM
OT


...omissis...
there is no debating that.  
...omissis...

Than why are you debating?

/OT

If you make a generalization that Atheists cannot love and not thinking you are offending people, then you really shouldn't be offended either.

Atheist do not deserve to live: why are you losing time and space to do that statement?

If you are atheist, then apologies my question.


Oh I'm not debating you.  You are just stating your opinion and you are entitled to that.  You don't have any rationale behind what you say, so there is no amount of arguing to undo the conditioning that has been done to you.  It goes back to suggesting travel Smiley

I am atheist, but I take no offense to what you say.  I appreciate the apology though.
516  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 08, 2015, 11:11:38 PM
OT


It's not that you don't know something.  But a statement as ignorant as "Atheists cannot love" can't be resolved through words.  That is a very bold statement that and you must live in a very small world to think it to be true.  Love is a human emotion, that is not conditional on any religious belief.

And I do think traveling is one of the best ways to rid ourselves of ignorance.  The internet is a great tool as well of course, but it is no replacement for traveling.

I'm starting to not like people that call me ignorant... please stick to the subject and don't lose time and space in offending others people.

Thank You.

/OT

I am not concerned about whether or not you like me.  You made an ignorant statement, there is no debating that.  But I will apologize for offending you personally if you feel that I have done so - that is not the intent.

If you make a generalization that Atheists cannot love and not thinking you are offending people, then you really shouldn't be offended either.
517  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 08, 2015, 11:04:44 PM

If you really think that, it's probably time to get on a plane and do some traveling.  No need to reference an old book - go see the world for yourself.

So: because you don't know something you'll travel the all World?

It is 2015: Internet do exists.


It's not that you don't know something.  But a statement as ignorant as "Atheists cannot love" can't be resolved through words.  That is a very bold statement that and you must live in a very small world to think it to be true.  Love is a human emotion, that is not conditional on any religious belief.

And I do think traveling is one of the best ways to rid ourselves of ignorance.  The internet is a great tool as well of course, but it is no replacement for traveling.
518  Economy / Economics / Re: Google Ad Revenue on: September 08, 2015, 09:56:59 PM
All you need is to have a camera, a great audio recorder, a good machine to play games with, and your taste for cursing = millions of dollars (that is what PewDiePie does all the time). It's pretty sick that these guys earn more than those undiscovered 'real talents' which definitely deserve more than these guys. I have nothing against them, though, but sometimes it makes me think that the system is really crooked and life really is unfair in different angles.

The younger generation is becoming a huge market, and they are able to spend their parents' money...and the type of content they are going to consume is going to be different than older generations.  Watching someone play video games and talk is a big market because of these kids, and you can't blame someone on capitalizing on that market.
519  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many friends did you recommend bitcoin to? Did they accept it? on: September 08, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
I've mentioned it to a few friends.  Some have awareness of it and have used it before, and others have heard about it but don't really know anything about it.  I wouldn't say that I "turned" anyone, but it's interesting to have conversation with them about it and ponder where it's headed.
520  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 08, 2015, 08:37:40 PM

Atheism has no clear written directives for morals, and no written examples, except, of course, when the atheist accepts parts of God-religions.


That why atheists cannot Love.

If you can't love you cannot live Life.


If you really think that, it's probably time to get on a plane and do some traveling.  No need to reference an old book - go see the world for yourself.
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