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501  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin can you stand alone? on: December 06, 2016, 01:07:08 PM
As quoted internet seems to be the one without which bitcoin could have never reached this high. If everything around the globe gets digitalized as well people gets some basic education, sure bitcoin stands alone. But these were not cent percent possible so sure bitcoin grows with dependence.
The question is, is internet wil be here forever? I guess if not forever it will be here longer, with internet online transactions are possible and bitcoin relies on internet so it can stand alone if we will support it even without the value of fiat. Since it is just a payment system for now it should be considered as an asset in the future to give weight on its value.

If indeed the bitcoin missing then it because the 2 factors that is because the internet is no longer used and the other is because it had very little interest in bitcoin for some reason. So you are indeed correct that bitcoin is a digital currency that is very dependent on the internet and if the internet then everything will end up in the bitcoin. This is something a bad thing if indeed we can not control properly, or it could be called that we should be able to market your bitcoin for everyone so that its growth is very good
502  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin has no competition on: December 06, 2016, 01:01:40 PM
All those FUDsters that where saying year ago how Bitcoin would fail because another currency would take over get proven wrong year after year. The more time Bticoin is alive, the stronger it gets and the bigger the network effect. Sorry but there will not be a Bitcoin 2.0. Bitcoin will go to 100k+ per coin in the next 5 to 10 years, it will absorb all the value researched in the field if not directly through protocol improvements then through sidechains.

Bitcoin will remain the only solid coin. The only coin that survived for the longest time (other coins can't claim this unless they invent a time machine).
There will be alts that pump really hard and make people millionaires, but no alt is going to surpass Bitcoin's strength and solidity. No coin will get a bigger marketcap. In the long term people holding 21+ BTC will be rewarded by history with rich-tier status for seeing the value in it before most people did. Do not let the FUDsters trick your mind or the trolls try to derrail the excellent job being done by Core devs.

Let's continue then our path towards inevitable triumph.
Definitely agree, I like the part of "people that have bitcoin will be rewarded with rich-tier status.
Bitcoin as the first digital currency create.d with so many advantages than any other traditional fiat money which could lead us to next generation of payment method.
I have faith in bitcoin in the future and always consider as my investment, let's see what would happen in 5-10 years later

Simply wonderful your belief about bitcoin and I think you do have the level of profits or good luck in the future if indeed bitcoin has extraordinary growth is good. Bitcoin is indeed a good digital currency, yet it all isn't necessarily good for the future. Because all the good things will definitely be replaced at something even better if there are indeed people who are jealous and make the same thing with better features. Just waiting until everything is clearly visible and feel your best
503  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Great way to make Bitcoin! on: December 06, 2016, 12:56:23 PM
Great way to make bitcoin, invest in bitcoin buy and sell.
When the price is high you may sell to earn profit. Also,
When my capital is not that much, I trade in altcoin to
earn profit also. This is my way to earn bitcoin.

great way is to buy and hold bitcoin for the future when price is really high not just a small rise.

of course other way is to shake your money maker Cheesy

The way you are indeed bad enough to do. How is it possible if we are to benefit always buy high priced when bitcoin..?? do you not know that the price of its own and have a bitcoin it all always are at the stage of high and low, so all the things you are saying is something a bad thing and probably will only take us at a loss. That's according to my thinking, but everything indeed depends on the future. If the future said other then the result will be different from the one I was talking about. Just do something that's good for now
504  Other / Archival / Re: Do you agree with idea "Bitcoin bank" ? on: December 06, 2016, 10:47:16 AM
i do not understand what is meant by a bitcoin bank and what is the harm in having one bank for the people that need one.what ever it may be i do expect some sort of banking regulations being introduced for bitcoin by some governments .
I think it would not harm anyone, but bitcoin bank will keep your identity as bitcoin users exposed, this was clearly wide of the function bitcoin as a currency that anonymous

Well you are right sort of your identity is exposed but as ive known that bitcoin is not really anonymous that what we have expected because someone could track your transactions but it really takes time but unlike bitcoin bank we all know that, that bitcoin is from that name of person

Yeah indeed this is something we cannot hide. Because in the bitcoin system we can never know anyone who sends or conduct transactions in existing addres unless we can know well them or knows the owner adddres btc it first. In the system because all of the data or its owners bitcoin is anonymous and only a few people could check or keep track of who is doing the transaction and where they came from
505  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Quantum Computing-Dominated World is Coming... (truncated) on: December 06, 2016, 10:38:45 AM
If quantum computing will be reality someday - and if this technology will be really good at breaking encryption, codes, algorithms - all kind of mathematical problems.
Then we are not the ones who should worry, whole banking system will be destroyed as they rely on encryption to keep their transactions and databases secure.
We have quantum processors - but they are horrible now, they need special conditions to operate (to be cooled to absolute zero and be free from any electromagnetic interference).

All existing systems in quantum then I think is a good thing. But if for now indeed is not something only gives us an advantage, because in quantum systems have not been effective enough in carrying out all of the existing systems in the world. But I think there is a possibility of future quantum will be a good place to do or change all the existing system because I was looking at the quantum has good potential
506  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is a good investment now, because... on: December 06, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
So far the price value of bitcoin was very stable actually, I could say yes! it is the right timing for us to invest in bitcoin. It is almost 50% overvalued that can be consider as one of a good investment savings individually.
you can see the development of bitcoin prices are kept rising up, of course I would not miss this opportunity to not buy bitcoin, at least I'll buy some mbtc and wait until prices go back up. I'm sure soon will rise

YEha it was indeed true. But it could just be the price of the bitcoin will go down if there are a few factors that can create growth and interest in someone for using bitcoin. All the things that exist in the bitcoin for now it does benefit everyone using it and also for those who have long storing bitcoinnya to wait for this. In the future we certainly sure growth bitcoin will be higher, but it all depends on the day also now we do for growth
507  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin has no competition on: December 06, 2016, 10:28:17 AM
Altcoins keep coming, being promised as the new chief cryprocurrency but they have one thing in common.
They're all pieces of shit that get pumped & dumped by a handful of big players before the hype dies down, people lose interest & then the next wannabe comes along.

It is all indeed will be the case, if indeed all men can't wear bitcoin well or maybe there's the latest crypto is so much better than all of the existing crypto including bitcoin. Indeed it is likely that more and more crypto that appears allows the interest of people to use it, because everyone will think that crypto is not invaluable and is not a good place to seek advantage from it. All we get in the bitcoin did better and I think crypto will disappear is besides bitcoin
508  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is bitcoin being used for illegal activities on: December 06, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
Who knows maybe it is used we don't know we can only speculate on this
I saw in tv series ncis la that the used bitcoin as drug money
In fact, if you're watching a documentary on the "deep web", you can see that most of these sites as a tool accept bitcoin transactions. it proves that, bitcoin is also used for illegal activity, and I think this has been done in a long time. Well, this could be the main reason in his baned bitcoin d divulging state

Yeah, bitcoin is often used as a currency in the deepweb. And it is because of its feature that your transaction are anonymous which makes drug dealers, hired killers, or other bad people identity unknown. They use it to buy things which you can't buy that easily.

No bitcoin transaction never was and is not anonymous. Every  transaction is traceable and somewhere in a block of the chain. If it was some services like as bitmixer, bitlaundry and so on would be useless. And yes bitcoin has being used for illegal activities like any other currency (USD, EUR, GBP, CNY, etc) and like as gold. 


All the things that exist in the world is especially concerned about the money is be used or could use with bitcoin for bitcoin is a digital currency that can be exchanged with all existing currency and price or fee on offer are very few and far more profitable if we do it well. But it all is something a bad thing for those who can't resist the urge for what is going on.If you want to benefit indeed should be able to be patient over all the things we do and if we can't control ourselves only loss and regret that we get
509  Economy / Services / Re: BITSANE Signature and Avatar Campaign on: December 03, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
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510  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoin Friendly Countries on: December 01, 2016, 10:41:00 AM
Which country has most number of bitcoin users, miners and vendors? And in which country bitcoin is accepted the most? Like in at institutes or super malls or stores etc.
Has such data been calculated and available on the world wide web?
in my opinion china is most bitcoin users , i don't know about reason but my friend tell me about it

It is true, because if we see in the history of Commerce. A transaction is always active in trade and china is bitcoin mostly affecting prices is china. But it all is not something a big problem, because now it is indeed in control or largest bitcoin is china, so it is something that is natural and will definitely be tergantingkan with other countries who already know the benefits and advantages bitcoin better than other currencies
511  Economy / Economics / Re: Can you really make money on Forex? on: December 01, 2016, 10:33:25 AM
You can really make money on forex. Actualy i think this is more profitable than trading altcoins. You can earn thousand a day. But if you are good at analizing. I saw a thread here which he is offering his service to make you earn from forex. He is going to analize everything and you are going to follow his instructions in able for you to earn some profit. Here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1664883.0
a trusted member have been make a vouch for that signals service as legit wow
i just wondering how long they can survive make profit through trading
it might can run forever as long as they have a good management
but as per my experience , a lot of people around me have a career in trading less than 10 years mostly ended up in profit, good thing indeed.
The Forex market is a market able to provide significant profit, since you know the fundamentals and since you have the required capital to invest.
I could give a try, but at the current time maybe there is a better risk-reward ratio by holding Bitcoin, there's a lot going on behind the scenes and there is a growing demand from India and China.

just got to think, will you double $150 on bitcoin quicker or forex using my signals

The moonbux feedback werent good or bad, besides the fact he said your signals, looks like would turn into profit, but he hasnt the right time, due to diferent timezones, im not saying its a scam project, far away from those, its more about the potencial to recover the 150 dollars fee and make more money.

"besides the fact he said your signals, looks like would turn into profit,"
 This is what Monbux said

I've followed 3 signals and they've all turned green.

He never said they would, they did. Average signals gave a return of 300-500 pips. on a $100 account that is $150.

Yes time difference is a issue but i give signals when i see them and as london and new york session is when most of it happens it was best to offer signals then. I can't ask them to stay awake for asia too as they do need sleep and need to get used to it. i have mentioned forex will disturb your sleeping patterns.

If you can trade at those times then it's ok for you, if not then nothing i can do, i ain't going to send signals just because i have to. i only give signals with good setup.

as far as recovering $150 fee just look at thread.

It's something to do because of all the things that are wanting a great advantage and would like to change the life indeed need not sacrifice a little, we should be ready to sacrifice any necessary things like energy, thoughts, time, and money that we have must be sacrificed so that the results obtained are very good or sessuai wishes and plans. Trading is indeed good and monbux is indeed one of the things that can give you an advantage, but you have to remember that something has to be done in the right way and match logic (World Employment Affairs)
512  Economy / Economics / Re: You should never trust banks on: December 01, 2016, 10:28:22 AM
Until now I had only one bank account. From the first known bank, I don't like banks, when we save money very easily, but when want to take the money is too difficult, and put some money in the bank's results were never profitable.
Lol yeah moreover we will be constrained to take the money in one day, you will not be able to take all your money in one day at the bank. different from the bitcoin
That's why I never save a lot of money in the bank

That is certainly true, but everyone has different opinions and thoughts. So according to you it is good, but not yet tentun according to some good people. So do what you think is right and let someone do what they think is right. For all the things that we do not violate applicable law then all that something isn't a problem for everyone. In addition the bank and bitcoin has advantages and disadvantages of each
513  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Sell something here. on: December 01, 2016, 10:24:16 AM

You can using this forum marketplace to sell some goods and services for Bitcoin here.
Just make sure to use the escrow and also that your items is needed and requested by people.


This must be your first rule OP to escrow the money to trusted escrow here in the forum for you not to get scammed.
We must be very careful of dealing with people especially that this is a global transaction so it will be hard for us to assure that trust that we are going to give to other people.


Yeah, it does require some proof of escrow is real so that what we are doing is not wrong. So what we want is not something that just being in the dream only (full swing). But I think you don't need to worry about against all the escrow has been recommended by all the members in this forum, as in this forum we already know how much growth and bagaiaman track record of all the people who have created the service for everyone. But it would be better to while using tools like some sites that have escrow system
514  Economy / Marketplace / Re: im starting selling my goods here for btc today.. yeah on: December 01, 2016, 10:16:24 AM
It's always good to have a diverse payment method on every business to give your customers the option to choose from. Anyway what kind of goods are you offering though?

That is certainly true, although most people using bitcoin will definitely choose bitcoin as one choice. it does not mean that the store only provides one type of payment only, because I'm sure if that is done then the store development will depend on the growth and user bitcoin and it will only inhibit the growth of the store is becoming one of the huge store. So if you want to have a shop or want to make a shop then had to compare some things so as not to cause great harm
515  Economy / Marketplace / Re: How do you know when a site tries to scam you? on: December 01, 2016, 10:11:30 AM
You can never know in advance.
Even if you are 500% sure that the site will collapse soon or late...you can not know if you are the one who will be scammed.

You will parhaps be the "paid" to attract other people.

It is why many sure scam sites have succes because sometimes they do not scam at the start...

I have more experience that all my red trusters...(lol)
So far I have always found people who have trust me and have send me cash...
It is so easy to scam people and red trust is useless because when red trusters come...it is already to late.
And red trusters are so often wrong that they have lost credibility.

Look me red trusters...they are even not able to admit that they were wrong...






Those people who put you red trust are even more reliable to believe than your statement that your system is not a scam.

Just read what you are saying if you know what you want to promote here in forum and that is not a scam then they will remove it to you.

And really it is easy to scam people? Because you have a lot of experience with it already?

My red trust points is absolutly not a problem for me...
it's a problem for my members and for potential future members.
Why?
Because the red trust points my site make (perhaps) less profit.
If less profit then less profit for my members (not for me)
If less members...means that less  members profit from my site.

Yes...I have enough experience and I could easily scam people...
But if so,I would not keep my same nickname for over 20 years...(lol)

I offer at least daily 20000 satoshi...people are free to share them...
if they prefer claim on classic faucets less then 400 satoshi it is their choice...i can not force people to earn satoshi by winspiral even if it is better than with most of faucets...
My system is a kind of poker freeroll ...daily minimum 20000 satoshi are offered...play who want playing.

Perhaps all people will admit that winspiral was not a scammer in 20 years...
but i'm now an old boy (lol) and i do not know if in 20 years i will till live...(it's even hard to know about tomorrow...)




It is not the red trust faults for your site for having lesser profit, it is your fault because they are just helping those people who can be your potential victims to avoid your investment scam.

So you are admitting that you are a scammer and you have experience for it and that makes you a scam people easily but that is not going to be an easy thing for you now because you have red trust.

And of course if you are having lesser profit then you are the only one that will benefit to it, don't hide for saying that your members will have less profit.

Of course your scheme is to get more victims and once they invested that's the profit you will pay for those earlier investors.

I just can say that it is too good to be true.

You can say what you want...this does not mean you are right...you forget that one can not invest with my system how can I  pay investors from investors if it is not possible to invest?
you see you are wrong like all my red trusters.


Don't make those people who wants to get some decent profit encouraged and convinced with all of your explanation about your scam investment.

How can you pay your investors? That's why you are keep on operating your investment scheme and asking for people to invest.

Because your system doesn't have strong way where it is really getting its profit  but no other than from your investors.

And don't say that I'm wrong like those DT who did flagged you, is it wrong to warn people about your scamming tactics?



Sorry you are wrong...

Where can you see scam tactics if there is no scam...you are not only wrong you are as well funny.

I offer satoshi at my members (the satoshi come from my sites income)
The members have the possibility to take the satoshi or to re-invest a part in the system.
Only a part because the member has to accept payout (lol)

When I say it is impossible to lose it is impossible to lose (lol)
Many people ask me to invest more...
Unfortunately it is not possible(it was possible only at the start)



The scam is the easiest way to be done by all, even for those who do not have skills in fraud. But the scam requires some supporters to be able to launch all of the plan or the primary goal that is deceiving many people to get money. And the easiest way to do is with the Ponzi system or hyip or cloud mining. All of this has been done by everyone and most systems do indeed use between those systems. So I think it all just depends how they repackaged or hide the system so that it is not suspected
516  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can I use my small amount for GAMBLING? on: December 01, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
Do not waste your time for gambling with small amount, please collect a larger fund to benefit from gambling. Unless your destination gambling just filling your time and pleasure only.

Why do you do so friend..?? . If you are not sure of how to play against a thought or someone ..?? , Many among us who have much better capabilities by building on their money. They can make money is greater than the results we get when making bets with large amounts, this all depends on how they play and how they can do something that is hard to be something easy
517  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe that win in gambling is depending on your luck ? on: December 01, 2016, 10:01:24 AM
There's always luck involved-sometimes less,sometimes more but luck always plays its role.What you can do is increase your chances of winning in cases of sports betting or poker for example where what you do actually matters whereas in dice or lottery all there is is luck and in these cases it defines the outcome.So I believe that luck is always involved in the game and you have to rely on that.

That is certainly true. But luck is not something that we can enjoy at any time. Because luck will only appear at certain times and maybe if luck came we just get a little victory of whopping and much (huge losses). In gambling do not expect better luck, because it just makes us wrong focus and ended up just getting a major defeat without getting what we dream of or desire

And we don't have assurance when luck will come to us. So, if you think that you are lucky for that day, then take the whole advantage of it.

Gamble all the way but when you think that luck is already gone and it is all giving you now a losing streak, then you are not lucky anymore.

Simple and easy to understand, I don't know why there are some many who are really addicted and doesn't stop when on a losing streak.
If that's the case then simply don't rely on luck. Have your own method to win in gambling and learn to enjoy it as it supposed to be seen like that.

It all depends on how someone is using gambling. If they could use the bitcoin correctly what they want will most likely be realized. Everyone indeed loves the easiest way and produce something the same thing with their heavy work. But unfortunately it's all just a fantasy that will never happen for someone who didn't want to work hard in doing something. So also in the gambling if it does not want to control myself and think of a way to play well (using strategy and skill) then they get only a momentary victory
518  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Increasingly difficult to make a profit from gambling. whether the cause? on: December 01, 2016, 09:56:05 AM
I used to get in profit or gain from the bitcoin gambling easily even able to purchase goods each month. but different from the longer to get profit from gambling more difficult. if more and more people are gambling and the higher price of bitcoin cause ?. I would like to hear your opinion

you have to look for what has changed with your habits. for example did you change the games you were playing or did you change the casino or even did the casino change anything.

and also you should remember that gambling is always based on luck no matter what game or what casino you are choosing it will all come down to whether or not you were lucky in a each bet. if i had to guess i would say you were having a good lucky days in your first couple of days and then your luck ran out.

That's clear, if one is lucky sure he wins even when his strategy is not even a bit close to the prediction made. So with gambling not only the OP, most of the beginners win at the beginning. Its just because of luck, they don't have any idea of making strategies and all. When they start gaining experience the scenario differs causing very little winning and most losses.

Yeah, it's mostly someone who recently felt the advantage in gambling will surely presume that gambling is the most profitable and only perjudianlah that will make their profit, indeed it's thought is true. But keep in the know that gambling is not just a matter of doing the game alone, but also on how we can control ourselves and be able to use strategies in gambling. So gambling not only thinking of victory but had to think about the technical stuff
519  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why is gambling so addicting? on: November 30, 2016, 11:31:09 PM
One of the factors is when they win gambling will assume it's easy, but when it lost to them will continue to be curious. Gambling only made miserable, and it won't make us rich.

This is my attitude when I was still new in gambling just because I won for some couple of times. I'm thinking that gambling is just a piece of nuts for me and I can win again and again. But upon keep on gambling in the long run, I can't accept the fact that I was beaten by the game and the house itself, because of my aim to prove to myself that gambling is an easy thing pull me into being addicted to it.

That's the thing that is most problematic or have a big loss from everyone has thought like you. Because it is not a good thing to think about or consider that gambling games only as easy to do. If that's true, then I am sure the advantages we get is just pleasure and could not produce the money, for something that easily will not probably give something big thing
520  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you want to become Rich you need to Put Higher bets on: November 30, 2016, 11:27:17 PM
Is it really true that if someone want to earn big from gambling he need to make a higher bets? Yes he can also loose but if he is lucky enough he can earn big amounts too. People can not make profits with lower bet amounts like .05 etc. you need a higher amounts bets.

Actually, betting more is more likely to lead to poverty than wealth!  LOL  One should never wager more then the odds and the expected return suggest.  Bankroll management is the most vital skill to master if one wants to take gambling seriously.  It is especially a bad idea to bet more when the odd are not in one's favor.....BAD IDEA!
This is correct the problem is in all casino games the odds are against us and there are only a few games where you can have the odds in your favor like in poker.
better to bet low amount but win it slowly , steady and consistently.

rather than to gamble on high amount and lost it in just first shot , it is hurts. nothing easy to become rich especially in gambling , there is a lot of challenges and yes to be able to bet low amount and win consistently you need to have a bankrollmanagement skill.

I believe with betting lower amount also, because if you will bet higher amount. Yes, you have high chance to get higher profit but the chance of having higher lose is also their. And slowly is surely much better to experience that because there is no fast way to success and richness unless you will hit the jackpot that is happening very occasional.
true , expecting to hit the jackpot in gambling are just like wishing your dream come true which it is need a long proccess to be happened. so just be patient and keep fighting also try to don't be greedy.

even if you start gamble with low amount but if you greedy, it will ended up losing in high bet amount. and your dream to become rich will never come true.

Gambling can give us a great advantage, but it also has a time depending how we take advantage of that and how do we use these advantages. If it wants to get a big advantage in gambling then the first step is to do a very large investment in one of the gambling sites are legit and have good confidence, how to use the second strategy, skill, or find a good bug and should be able to control yourself
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