Ok though about this a bit, what we can do, and it will be relatively inexpensive, is an injunction against any auctions by the US govt on the grounds that a portion of those coins are not theirs.

This will I think, force the govt to negotiate a percentage of any seized funds as returnable to the proper owners. Also it may force them to release any data, or at least release for in confidence, to establish what is exactly their. either way we can probably keep the money/coins tied up for a while.

This is probably the simplest way.

whats the chance this airdrop is a scam to collect signed info, for some sort of hack....i know ecsda still protects your BTC, but still.....

you lose the SHA256, and RIPEMD160 protections for that address, now only having  ECDSA.

There must always be a risk for any action.....

sure you could move your coins just before and after the snap shot, but  I would expect they are ready for that.

Also who really wants to crack open cold storage? Then have to move that all around....

we can still SUE the US gov for acting in away that has caused us Loss,. I know how hard this is, but still its worth  shot. Eg if the police smash your house down to get at a bad guy, they can pay for it.

I am sure they will have some sort of legislation that says no we don't have to pay, but it may depend on other options.

I know it maybe wishful thinking, but, perhaps the BTC-e opps were smart enough to have back ups in case they got shut down.

when I dealth with them, it was always flawless and they had a really robust operation.

They don't seem like the kind of operation that did not have contingencies.

The question now is, even if they have some coins are they at all motivated to put up any kind of facility to let you get your coins back?

Any other lawyers or individuals interested in undertaking a legal action against to try an seek redress for you BTC-e losses or otherwise, post here.

I am suggesting an ETH ICO to fund this.

Yeah good point... I am undecided the best way to do this.

yeah and what about all those people not in the USA and not US Citz, and trading with BTC-e also not in the US, the US has not truck with them, or jurisdiction. Sure take your portion but not ours.

I Can prove who I am, no worries, but I have to be upfront about the outcomes::and a few other issues::

I like to be this way because I do not want to over promise, an communicate about my reasons. 

[1] I expect we will cause them a massive headache, and next time they do this they will have to think serious about sequestering funds in the future, when they take down exchange - x

[2] I suspect that who ever is seizing the servers/data, will try and get the private keys themselves by any means possible, and will be long gone by the time the court process winds up.

[3] I expect a lot of it will make it's way to individual FBI officers personal money or similar. Which may work in out favor in some ways.

[4] I suspect this is exactly what happened in the "satoshi" guy in Australian, the Australian fed police turned up the next day, and I am sure a few fed officers now hold significant BTC.

[5] I do expect we will need to explore several legal actions / options, and this will take some thorough legal analysis.

[6] To do this we will need a good US based law firm, or persons of out choice and vet them well.

[7] It maybe better that we do this in the following manner. I stay ANON, but publicly engage various law firms etc. I am open to various views on the best way to structure this. Say we collect an ICO it eth, we can engage the US law firms in eth to do the parcels of work. I can see benefits to being ANON and public.

[8] We need to set up the ICO so it is un impeachable under US-transmitter laws etc.

[9] There going to be a considerable back end to this, eg collecting and to the level of proof any claimants for their crypto as a lost of scammers will appear.

[10] Lets get the bastards. And I fucking will.

Good point (I am also a lawyer).

I think we could start a quasi~class action to recover our funds or at least give them a legal headache. Perhaps we should have a eth token sale to raise funds to purse them, eg if people put in equivalent 5% or their BTC losses into the ICO then the it may be more likely to recover, even 1% would probably x -million at this point.

The US has to realise that as far as non US citizens dealing merely dealing in tokens they should not be penalized. Eg just becuase I stand in a room and the people running the room maybe be doing something else, does not touch on my ownership of my property, particularly when the I and the part of the room I am standing in are not subject to US jurisdiction.

They need to know they cannot SMASH and Grab what is beyond their legal borders. Take what is due to them under the limit of their laws only.

One wonders if Alex has many more dangerous people to fear than the US gov/FBI if he does tell them.

If he does not he may find himself or significant others very well looked after

if I sign a message with a private key is SHA256, and RIPEMD160 protection lost for that address?

 my "linked Byteball address".....dcdcdxxx......", does not seem to be in my wallet??

how do control or access this address?

I sent a small amount of test bytes to it and it did not turn up as part of my balance....

if you want to be on both chains, no questions, you must control the private keys to whatever address you BTC is held on.

.....I would not any more than 5%~10% of your coins on exchanges at any time.

I agree FIAT has value as it can bring capital and labour together to produce.

However that value has become delinked to face value, as the banksters have a monopoly, and perhaps a natural monopoly due to the need for regulation is system so open to abuse.

This has however lead to the situation where the money printing has happened without bound, thus evaporate you buying power, and increasing their share.

BTC now offers a massive alternative.

even if it was (and its not) its >>> than the pyramid scheme than FIAT, as you can just keep printing FIAT.


sure new money coming in is effectively giving some value over to earlier entrants, but earlier entrants had to take a lot more risks, and the cost of holding for many years.

btc is among other things about locking value at a point in time.

In fiat or other form wealth you are subject to govs policy changes, laws, tax changes etc etc.

That said in BTC you can be subject to scaling debates, and GOX events.

All prior forms of wealth could be taken by force, btc requires reason (if its done right)

BTC also forces trust, it forces you to trust it, if you do not you will be arbitraged to zero, as your FIAT in printed out of existence.

So this is a neo-premine via, front loading block rewards.....noice.

massive hash from dev at friends at beginning.....noice

a smoother coin release would have made this more .... noice

nope, not has been isnta rich from btc they have all waited years, put effort in to get store, learn, and hodl. Watch ther money burn and still hodl.

Eg buy in at 20$ in 2011, watch it drop back to $2.

the $20 buy in that held until now???

I would pay large segments of gov workers, they same they get now to stay at home all day, or at least not go to work as they would consume less, use up less and cause much much less allocations of value

When the market is a real free market and I can print fiat or issue debt like a bank, thus sending its value to the true value, and umasking all the taxfugees in the gov, alot of academia and other miss alocations allowed by having monopolistic money printing/debt, then they won't even have the money to pay the police to arrest him or enforce so called federal land. Nor will he be able to get tax money, nor will the prison exist, he will have to actually do something of value, and all the others will be gone, probably making it easier for him to do something of value.

Don't get me wrong, fiat is a good idea to bring capital and labour together, but as it turns out or operates in practice it has resulted in huge systemic mis-allocations of value.

Presumably if the hash algo is the same eg SHA256, then you can use that output where you want, and submit to either chain, while slotting in different blocks, BU and BTC around that result.