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5021  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🎲EOSBet.io - Licensed Casino Platform 🎲Provably Fair 🎲NOW ACCEPTING BTC ₿ on: August 26, 2019, 02:14:06 PM
I thought it needs 20EOS to earn 1 BET in the platform. 
Yes, that is correct. You need to wager 20 EOS to earn 1 BET.
However, keep in mind that it is not the same as buying 1 BET with 20 EOS.

Depend on your luck. If you play the game long enough, you will lose only 1.5% (house edge). Hence, ~1.5% * 20 EOS = ~0.3 EOS.
If all token was acquired this way, we can expect the price should be more than 0.3 EOS because of risk, energy, and time involved in "mining."
5022  Economy / Gambling / Re: MintDice – Bitcoin Casino With Online Slots, Bitcoin Crash & Bitcoin Investment on: August 26, 2019, 03:24:36 AM
It is good to know that even if they are using small fee per byte based on your transaction posted, it still went smooth. But their economy fee for withdrawal is 20k sats, so a lot of those satoshis go to their operation side? Just wondering about how they have fix tx fee and where it goes?
I also think about that matter at first. However, the majority of reputable exchanges use 50k sats as withdrawal fee. https://withdrawalfees.com/coins/bitcoin

With that in mind, 20k sats feel acceptable (for me), and I received the payment in a relatively short time. So, I have nothing to complain about. Also, they already lower the fees by 50%, thus asking about company's finance sounds not appropriate.
5023  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🎲EOSBet.io - Licensed Casino Platform 🎲Provably Fair 🎲NOW ACCEPTING BTC ₿ on: August 26, 2019, 03:07:32 AM
Now that we know it will be listed and we know that team will be doing some sort of buyback and burn at least we can say there will be some buy pressure from bottom up and the price can't go down way too much.
Yes. However, at the same time, the price cannot increase too high because there is a way to get cheaper BET by "mining" on the platform. From the economic sense, the BET price would tend to go to the current base mining cost, i.e., ~0.3 EOS (CMIIW).

However, just like any other coins, guys who get in early could earn BET way cheaper than ~0.3 EOS. Thus would likely to dump if the price can reach that amount.
5024  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pertanyaan tentang bitcoin on: August 26, 2019, 02:09:55 AM
Kunci nya adalah waktu , dan kesempatan (waktu) tidak akan pernah kembali. Mereka yang tidak over believe bank sangat beruntung. Silahkan tanya orang tua kita 1000 rupiah tahun 1950-1960 seharga 100 gram emas (1 rupiah dijaman itu seharga biaya sekali makan), apa bedanya dengan bitcoin? Semakin ambil langkah dari awal semakin kuat menyimpan value. #unbanked #beyourbank.
Ini ga ada hubungannya alias non-sequitur.

Intinya agan jangan liat nilai nominal-nya, tapi liat purchasing power-nya. Rp. 1.000,- mungkin bisa dipakai beli emas 100 gram (ga ane verifikasi btw ane asumsikan benar), tapi pendapatan gaji sebulan berapa? Kalau cuma Rp. 10 sebulan ya sama aja dong.

Jaman dulu mau beli rumah ga perlu ngutang ke bank
Sungguh sesat sekali ini... Sungguh terlalu

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Realisasi KPR pertama di Indonesia terjadi pada 10 Desember 1976, realisasinya di Kota Semarang oleh Bank BTN. Pada tanggal itu dijadikan sebagai hari KPR atau ulang tahun KPR di Indonesia.

Pada waktu itu ada istilah KPR-RS (rumah sederhana) dan KPR RSS (rumah sangat sederhana). Saat itu sudah dikenal konsep subsidi dan berangsuran tetap.
Sumur: https://finance.detik.com/properti/d-2577060/ini-perjalanan-program-rumah-subsidi-dari-masa-ke-masa

Tahun 76 mau beli RSS saja rakyat sudah ndak mampu. Bisa sih kalo ga ngutang di bank, agan bikin rumah yang lebih rendah kastanya dari RSS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73REgj-3UE (asumsi gak diciduk kalo nebang pohon sembarangan)

Edit: biar lebih bahagia, jangan lupa lihat bagian komentar di vidio-nya

tapi sekarang mayoritas ingin memiliki sesuatu caranya salah nyicil + kena bunga (riba)
Gimana cara yang lebih baik dari ini? Pakai emas lalu secara ajaib semua masalah selesai?
5025  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pertanyaan tentang bitcoin on: August 25, 2019, 05:00:07 PM
ngapain juga msh pro bankir kalo udah dpt knowledge kaya di video itu.
Bank yang mana dulu nich? Bank sentral kayak The Fed, BI, dan sejenis; atau bank komersial kayak BRI, Mandiri, dll. ??
Kalau ndak ada bank komersial, kasian calon-calon pengusaha yang mau ngambil Kredit Usaha*. Mau beli rumah juga sulit kalau ndak ada KPR*.

*Kecuali warisan emas batangannya sudah satu peti.
5026  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🐺WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game 🎲 $1,000 Daily Race💰7-day streak bonus🔥 on: August 25, 2019, 12:23:26 PM
According to chat, there always 20-30 users online. Which is not much
Dice is a saturated market already so that it will be difficult for newcomers like wolfbet. Personally, I enjoy playing casually on the site since the UI is simple and the faucet is excellent!
I'm a bit worried bots would abuse the faucet though.
5027  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: August 25, 2019, 11:56:50 AM
MU is just shit, no hope for that team after sacking Mourinho.  When I said to Chelsea
Behold, the new Arsenal/ManUtd is born!
I was hoping that Chelsea can go down at the same level as Arsenal/MU, but they bounce back Grin sh*t Grin

Also, the last match was shocking! MU needs to reform the top-level management if they want to stay competitive.
5028  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🎲EOSBet.io - Licensed Casino Platform 🎲Provably Fair 🎲NOW ACCEPTING BTC ₿ on: August 24, 2019, 11:34:59 PM
Let's do a moment of silence for our fallen forum troll.

No exchange wants to list their BET fantasy token furthermore confirms that EOSBet generates a very low revenue and profit.

Of course can EOSBet lie here on the forum about millions profit and lifetime revenue share, but if you request the listing of tokens, then some basis checks are made and they obviously failed! Cheesy
Err... they manage to get listed on Binance Dex Cheesy



investors should just buy back them the first and bid more than $1 before the team burns them.  This is to assume the team offer to buy back $1 each as mentioned in the telegram.
I believe this is also false information. The "EOSBet Price" channel is full of unrealistic price prediction. AFAIK, $1 didn't come from official team account.

Otherwise, I'm rich!!
5029  Economy / Gambling / Re: MintDice – Bitcoin Casino With Online Slots, Bitcoin Crash & Bitcoin Investment on: August 24, 2019, 11:19:51 PM
Now about the withdrawals... I wish the approval process would be a lot quicker  Wink
It's quite fast actually. I thought they would process my withdrawal "within 24 hours" as stated, however actually they did it within 1-2 hours. Moreover, with a small "economy" fee, my transaction was confirmed within 64 minutes.

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/6a95b56be08a58b0a5211e8339718cd39506b76c274a24108e21ba132ddcb79e

Just a bit suggestion @MintDice, kindly use blockchair.com on the "history" tab. Respect for Blockchain.com has long gone IMO.
5030  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (Diskusi) Bitcoin / mata uang virtual erat kemungkinan dengan tindakan illegal on: August 24, 2019, 08:12:04 AM
atau permainan2 undian berhadiah lainnya (contoh: terdapat di bukalapak, serbu seru Rp 1,-)
Dimana unsur pasal 303 ayat 3 sebenarnya terpenuhi.

Pasal 303 ayat 3
Yang disebut permainan judi adalah tiap-tiap permainan, di mana pada umumnya kemungkinan mendapat untung bergantung pada peruntungan belaka, juga karena pemainnya lebih terlatih atau lebih mahir. Di situ termasuk segala pertaruhan tentang keputusan perlombaan atau permainan lain-lainnya yang tidak diadakan antara mereka yang turut berlomba atau bermain, demikian juga segala pertaruhan lainnya.”
Tetapi uang taruhan dikembalikan ke rekening deposit user yg bersangkutan (bukan kepada user).
Kalau permainannya apa saja sudah dibahas panjang lebar di sini gan:
https://www.hukumonline.com/klinik/detail/ulasan/lt4fc475308e6a0/judi dan https://www.hukumonline.com/klinik/detail/ulasan/lt4e5b3f0bcfc40/apakah-permainan-ketangkasan-termasuk-perjudian-

tl;dr

ilegal tidaknya bisa dibedakan antara (1) unsur permainannya dan (2) unsur taruhan pakai duit-nya.
Jadi judi kalau ada unsur taruhan, yaitu satu pihak untung dan pihak yang lain rugi.

Kalau bukalapak sulit kena karena pemain yang kalah tidak rugi materi (kalau saldonya masih bisa ditarik atau digunakan). Jadinya satu pihak untung dan pihak yang lain tidak rugi (juga tidak untung) alias unsur taruhan tidak terpenuhi.

Ada yang lebih abu-abu lagi misalnya permainan di t***zone dan taman-taman rekreasi lain. Tapi di sini unsur taruhan juga tidak terpenuhi karena pemain diasumsikan membayar untuk main, bukan untuk mendapatkan tiket/hadiah. Kalau menang untung (dapat hiburan dan hadiah), kalau kalah tidak rugi karena diasumsikan sudah dapat hiburan.

Padahal ane sering lihat banyak om-om di t***zone yang kecanduan.

PS: ndak usah gengsi diskusi tentang judi. Yang gengsi kalau diskusi keburukan tetangga sebelah atau ukuran xxx
5031  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pertanyaan tentang bitcoin on: August 24, 2019, 05:19:07 AM
Nah kalau gini kan enak, lebih baik langsung saja diskusi tentang video itu. Ndak perlu pakai pertanyaan-pertanyaan retoris. Lumayan bagus video-nya, secara umum benar. Akan tetapi ingat kalau cerita yang hanya sepotong itu tidak bisa menggambarkan keseluruhan jalan ceritanya (makanya ane suruh belajar dulu sejarah tentang ilmu ekonomi).

Masalah ekonomi tentu saja tentang alokasi sumber daya: (1) what, (2) how, dan (3) for whom.

Silahkan kalau mau diskusi tentang video tersebut. Ane nyimak saja Wink

Bitcoin (P2P electronic cash system) >> fiat system >> classic gold standard
5032  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casino Faucet on: August 23, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
And this is called faucet abusing. You will likely get banned if you consecutively keep on doing this and withdraw money. I don't understand why people come to casino to farm and abuse the faucet. The faucet is there for just to test out the casino and your strategy. And even trying to farm the faucet is useless. You will be spending a lot of time trying to reach the minimum withdrawal and the amount you will get isn't even worth keeping. Just deposit small amount, gamble and enjoy!
Are you sure about this statement, even with only one legitimate account?  Roll Eyes
As far as I know, users can do whatever they want with the free money.

You know what 0.01% probability of winning means right? I wouldn't be too worried if I'm the operator.
5033  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casino Faucet on: August 23, 2019, 06:29:02 AM
Hunting 9900x on dice with faucet only, are you serious mate? It will be just wasting your time only imho, I will not even think to do it for any reasons.
We are discussing faucets mate, and collecting faucet is wasting time anyway Grin
However, at least betting on 9900x is not spending too much effort compared to keep playing with 20 sats.

Let's assume minimum withdrawal is 180,000 sats. You need to win 9000x with a 20 sats bet from the faucet. You have two options: (1) consecutive wins; and (2) lottery-like dice. If you choose option (1), you need to keep playing for at least 14 times to get these results:
40
80
160
320
640
1,280
2,560
5,120
10,240
20,480
40,960
81,920
163,840
(smaller bet) 180,000 -> withdraw

I'd choose option (2) Grin
5034  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do you believe stolen funds should be returned to their owner? on: August 23, 2019, 01:21:33 AM
The topic is different from what you have posted.
Yep, I agree with this. In the real world, stolen funds will be returned by the authorities. However, that was possible because the police could recover funds.

This becomes somewhat complicated with cryptocurrency because there is a possibility that the private key cannot be obtained. However, if waterboarding can recover the hacker's key, then they must return it.
5035  Economy / Gambling / Re: MintDice – Bitcoin Casino With Online Slots, Bitcoin Crash & Bitcoin Investment on: August 23, 2019, 12:57:42 AM
AFAIK, KYC is not required for a small amount of withdrawal. Just like exchanges, some required basic KYC for more than $100, 1BTC, etc., it depends on the service's jurisdiction. Also, KYC is not related to the trustworthiness of a casino. It's a different matter.

As long as users don't have a problem with deposit/withdrawal, users can assume that the site is safe to play (to certain extents).
5036  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casino Faucet on: August 23, 2019, 12:42:08 AM
It's more likely to be 20 sats. Anyway, my problem with faucet nowadays is that you cannot accumulate free sats. The majority of casinos require zero balance to be able to claim the faucet, except freebitco.in of course. Because of that, the only way to make a profit is to do "lottery-like" dice, betting on 0.01% probability to get 9,900x payout so you can withdraw.
5037  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: August 22, 2019, 11:30:31 AM
Code:
     Liverpool vs arsenal 
     Norwich vs chelsea
    Man utd vs palace
Only Manchester United is a sure win this time, and they will win big! At least 3-0.
Last five meetings: W->W->W->D->W
No chance for Palace! #GGMU
5038  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your gambling system? on: August 22, 2019, 11:17:32 AM
Some idea:
- Martingale with Fibonacci progression 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, ... ;
- Reverse martingale using the highest % win chance and then increase the bet if win (with % increase less than the payout). For example: use 98% win rate and 1.02% payout. If win, increase the bet by 0.5% (less than 1.02%). Reset if loss and x consecutive wins (try 80).
5039  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🎲EOSBet.io - Licensed Casino Platform 🎲Provably Fair 🎲NOW ACCEPTING BTC ₿ on: August 22, 2019, 10:47:31 AM
Done guys! BET listing proposal accepted on Binance DEX!
+ buyback
+ token burn

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BET buyback and token burn! 🔥🔥🔥
We will be buying back BET tokens and burning them! For the first time ever, BET supply will be deflationary. 50% of team funds will be used to purchase BET off the market, where it will subsequently be destroyed.

As always, this process will be transparent and viewable on the blockchain. This buyback will last for a minimum of 3 months.
Source: https://steemit.com/binance/@eosbet/bet-accepted-on-binance-dex

Not a big fan of token burn stuff, however the devs continue to make progress about this project. So I have nothing to complain at the moment.
What do you think?
5040  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (Diskusi) Bitcoin / mata uang virtual erat kemungkinan dengan tindakan illegal on: August 22, 2019, 08:19:20 AM
@pandukelana2712 komeng ane sebelumnya masih membahas antara judi dan tidak judi-nya. Nah kalau yang pembahasan ini kan sudah yakin dan sadar kalau maen judi.

Kalau sepemahan ane yang malas belajar hukum ini, ada dua bagian KUHP-nya, yang (1) 303 dan (2) 303 bis. Kalau bandar nanti kena yang (1) 303, ndak ada masalah to sampai sini? Izin itu lisensi, tapi sekarang itu kayaknya udah ga ada deh lisensi yang keluar di Indonesia. Jadi ya 99.99% bandar lokal pasti kena karena ndak ada lisensi yang dikeluarkan di Indonesia.

Sumur:
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Menurut R. Soesilo dalam bukunya Kitab Undang-Undang Hukum Pidana (KUHP) Serta Komentar-Komentarnya Lengkap Pasal Demi Pasal (hal. 222), orang yang mengadakan main judi dihukum menurut Pasal 303 KUHP, sementara orang-orang yang ikut pada permainan itu dikenakan hukuman menurut Pasal 303 bis KUHP.
https://www.hukumonline.com/klinik/detail/ulasan/cl7026/judi-internet--sejauh-manakah-uu-ite-bisa-menjangkaunya

Kalau pemain kenanya yang (2) 303 bis, tapi itukan kalau mainnya di tempat umum dan/atau unlicensed di Indonesia (sesuai 303). Sehingga kalau ane main judi di Vegas atau Hong Kong sana (licensed) ya bolah-boleh saja.

Kalau judi online, misal pemain di Indonesia, main sendirian di kamar:
1. Bandarnya di Indonesia - bisa terciduk
2. Bandarnya di Luar Negeri (unlicensed) - bisa terciduk tapi sulit*
3. Bandarnya di Luar Negeri (licensed) - sepertinya ndak salah*

*Sepertinya lo, mohon ditanyakan ke pihak yang lebih paham.

Mungkin alat bukti perangkat judi bisa dapatkan dengan melakukan sita perangkat yang dipakai oleh penjudi, trus bagaimana dengan server judi?
Kalau servernya di Indonesia bisa, ndak ada masalah.

tetapi apakah diperbolehkan oleh pemilik dan pengelola server?
Bagaimanapun pemilik server msh dilindungi oleh hukum dimana dia tinggal dan tempat server judi tersebut berada (dan seringkali server tersebut diluar wilayah hukum RI)
Nah ini kalau servernya di luar dan casino-nya licensed, sepertinya posisi tawar pemerintah kecil untuk menindak. Urusannya sudah antar negara.
Kalau servernya di luar dan casino-nya unlicensed, sepertinya pemerintah bisa saja menindak, cuma harus ada niat yang kuat, mending ngurusin sabung ayam di kampung sebelah saja.

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