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5081  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rising thanks to Bitcoin Unlimited taking the lead over SegWat on: February 09, 2017, 01:25:47 AM
Looks like you are the butthurt loser. BU nodes are mostly fake,

Kinda hard to fake solved blocks hundreds deep in the Bitcoin blockchain.

Wouldn't claim the rise is anything at all to do with BU myself.

Yeah. While I personally would like to think it is due to the recent BU surge, I have no way of measuring that, so I am not making such a claim. I am however responding directly to the insinuation that 'BU nodes are mostly fake'. Which is a downright stupid statement on its face.
5082  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Adam Back thinks he is the inventor of Bitcoin on: February 08, 2017, 01:40:57 PM
Now, if Hashcash and Bitcoin are exactly the same thing minus the inflation control is up for debate possibly.

Not. Even. Close.

Adam Back invented hashcash? Sure. And indeed, hashcash was a significant step forward. But to claim that Bitcoin is nothing but hashcash with inflation control is an absurd overreach. To make this claim is to ignore the central game theoretic advance of coupling reward with validation. You know - the significant breakthrough achieved by Satoshi.

You'd think someone who developed such an important innovation would be happy to stand on his merits. Without resorting to dishonest used car salesman levels of marketing manipulation. It belies an insecurity in his station in life (which from the outside already looks quite elevated, ffs).

Inasmuch as we don't yet know who Satoshi was, Adam would be a plausible candidate. Improbable, but plausible. At least he has not made this claim. But in the meantime, he should be publicly shamed for this arrogant unjustifiable claim.
5083  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rising thanks to Bitcoin Unlimited taking the lead over SegWat on: February 08, 2017, 03:32:00 AM
Looks like you are the butthurt loser. BU nodes are mostly fake,

Kinda hard to fake solved blocks hundreds deep in the Bitcoin blockchain.
5084  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can we trust bitcoin long term with BUcoin type hard forks menacing around? on: February 08, 2017, 02:10:30 AM
The fact that we have people like Gavin cheering up for those chinese guys planning on attacking with 100million to cause the hard fork it's clear there is an agenda to damage bitcoin as a viable safe haven

Aiieee! The irrationality! It burns!

The $100M is set aside to kill off a minority fork, should some choose to fork off to another algo - thereby protecting the integrity of the Bitcoin blockchain.
5085  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: More than 50% of SegWit support comes from one miner on: February 08, 2017, 01:53:17 AM
Telling lie won't give you any advantages.
Now 100% of unlimitedcoin support comes from 3 person: Roger Ver, Gavin Andressen, Mike Hearn.

What is this 'unlimitedcoin' of which you speak?
Where is the public support for this 'unlimitedcoin' by Roger Ver?
Where is the public support for this 'unlimitedcoin' by Gavin Andressen?
Where is the public support for this 'unlimitedcoin' by Mike Hearn?

protip: Telling lie won't give you any advantages.
5086  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 06, 2017, 10:24:38 PM
after your logic with "giving the power back to the nodes and the miners", Bitcoin should go with core instead of the failed, bugged BU code?

1) not quite. Each node should run the code they prefer. I would certainly prefer that BU become the dominant implementation on the network, at least long enough for the community to learn the benefits of emergent consensus. Multiple implementations implementing emergent consensus would be even better.

2) BU has not failed.

3) BU did recently evidence a bug. It had exactly zero impact on the network as a whole. It has been fixed. There will likely be bugs that surface in the future. The Satoshi client has had bugs as well. The worst of such had a impact on the network far more severe than the recent BU bug. Core will also likely evidence bugs in the future. We all hope these will have minor impacts. Your characterization of BU as 'buggy' is unsupported by all available evidence.
5087  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gov attack throught BUcoin agenda comming soon on: February 05, 2017, 12:18:13 PM
You've all been talking for 2 years, when will you actually do something?

Yes, I understand your anxiety. I can scarcely contain my anticipation as well. But we are doing. Quietly amassing commitment from hash power.

All is going according to plan.

Excellent.
5088  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gov attack throught BUcoin agenda comming soon on: February 04, 2017, 10:52:05 PM
BU can't get shit done without Core's code

Meanwhile, core can't get shit done without Satoshi's code. So what? You seem to have little understanding of the way open source development works. Or really any technological progress whatsoever. Every innovator is enabled by standing atop the giants that preceded her.
5089  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 03, 2017, 04:28:31 AM
Let's do a quick recap...  Roll Eyes
So who is supporting BU on bitcointalk:
1. Rawdog - freak, who wrote many times that bitcoin is dead, failed etc.
2. Classicsucks, with his recent coming out...
3. Franky - infamous troll.


I'm hurt. You omitted li'l ol' me. All around lovable chap, and savior of destitute puppies.
5090  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 02, 2017, 03:31:47 PM
Alas, a lightning usable by end users is still but a pipe dream.
Calling it a 'pipe dream' is an exaggeration considering the successful testing that is happening on testnet.

How is that decentralized efficient routing design shaping up? About done yet?

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I see you are incapable off arguing your position, relying upon simple unsupported rebuttal to make your case. Not my issue that you can't seem to reason yourself out of a paper bag. Too bad, so sad.
Standard BU and r/btc tactic. Once you're out of words, attack the character.

I'm not attacking your character. I am merely pointing out that your reply was non-responsive.
5091  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 02, 2017, 03:18:00 PM
Segwit is required to fixing the quadratic hashing problem
Red herring.
Nonsense. This is improper usage of logical fallacies. The user mentioned Segwit. Mentioning what Segwit aims to fix is not a diversion of the subject.

Sorry. I meant the entire consideration of the quadratic hashing aspect is a red herring. In the broader 'what is good for bitcoin' context.

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There is no quadratic hashing problem. There is a quadratic hashing aspect, this is true.
It is a problem, you can put your useless 'semantics' somewhere else.

I don't know what you are trying to accomplish, babbling about 'semantics'. I'll say it again: mining incentives are already aligned such to ensure that the quadratic hashing aspect is a non-problem.

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However, as it stands today (i.e., with no changes to the protocol), mining incentives are such as to render it a non-problem.
You mean, the same miners who use the safe *cough* SPV mining?

No. And yes. I mean each and every rational miner.

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Miners will either abandon calculating hashes of such blocks, or they will be bankrupted by other miners who do.

The issue solves itself. Today. No change needed.
This just shows how delusional BU is:

BU or not is a completely orthogonal consideration.

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You are leaving an attack vector open in hopes that everyone plays nicely?

No.

I see you are incapable of arguing your position, relying upon simple unsupported rebuttal to make your case. Not my issue that you can't seem to reason yourself out of a paper bag. Too bad, so sad.
5092  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 02, 2017, 03:13:37 PM
Why increase the 1MB size if blocks ... now after Lightning is available?

If use of lightning was already routine, your rhetorical question might have some value. Alas, a lightning usable by end users is still but a pipe dream.

Why increase the 1MB size if blocks became more empty than they are now after Lightning is available?

With average blocks in the 85%+ of capacity range, you've got a pathological interpretation of 'empty'.
5093  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 02, 2017, 02:59:01 PM
Segwit is required to fixing the quadratic hashing problem

Red herring. There is no quadratic hashing problem. There is a quadratic hashing aspect, this is true. However, as it stands today (i.e., with no changes to the protocol), mining incentives are such as to render it a non-problem.

Miners will either abandon calculating hashes of such blocks, or they will be bankrupted by other miners who do.

The issue solves itself. Today. No change needed.
5094  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 02, 2017, 12:47:18 PM
Do you really want to go through this 2 years of blocksize increase drama every 5 years?

The problem is that, if we are only doubling asst each iteration, we won't have two years each cycle. So we'll need to endure two years of drama every year. Dramaception.
5095  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yet another reason to hate and reject SegWit altcoin on: February 01, 2017, 07:40:25 PM
So to avoid this long bickering, we just have a pretty simple node consensus mechanism. If the majority of nodes want X, then X shall it be.

i like the idea of Nodes voting for consensus but i see some problems with this mechanism:
1) if there is 100 bitcoin users one out of them is running a full node which means the other 99 user aren't going to have a voice.
2) many who run a full node, just run it and possibly don't know much about consensus, they will upgrade to the latest version and unless it is explicitly asked, they are signalling what the latest version signals.
3) i believe it is not that hard to create fake nodes (a lot of them) and signal something. and i believe it happened with classic nodes.

1) Well, that's bitcoin's design. Nodeless users have no direct representation on the network. Buck up, buttercup.
2) While true, likely insignificant. Those willing to bear the hassle of running a node are more likely to invest some thought into the issues.
3) Irrelevant. In the end, the only way nodes have any power anyhow, is as a proxy for economic power or for mining power. Back in the day, when essentially every node was a mining node, nodes held some power. Today, ..., err... not so much.
5096  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 01, 2017, 07:25:49 PM
How will BU run the network without forking it?

Same way it is today. My node is a BU node. No fork so far. Observedly.

You seem to be seeking demons where none exist.

BU nodes today don't enforce BU rules, they enforce Core's rules.

Core does not own any rules. Sorry to break it to you.
5097  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 01, 2017, 07:11:55 PM
With Bitcoin major mining pools making up more than 5% of the network [per pool] just one owner of a pool is all it takes for the change not to go through.

Almost makes one wonder why the oh-so-prescient core devs/blockstream employees/AXA proxies choose a 95% activation rate.

Why is it though? I mean it is the change they wish to implement so why roadblock it?

Is it indeed the change they wish? The evidence -- at least if one assumes they really are so durned smart -- suggests otherwise.
5098  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 01, 2017, 06:51:50 PM
I've never threatened a fork. WTF you babbling about?

We don't need to pay for hash rate. After all, d(coreHashrate)/dt is negative, and d(BUHashrate)/dt is positive.

How will BU run the network without forking it?

Same way it is today. My node is a BU node. No fork so far. Observedly.

You seem to be seeking demons where none exist.
5099  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 01, 2017, 06:46:34 PM
... BU supporters insist that their wacky implementation must force Bitcoin's hashrate onto their Coin.

And again ,a core devotee calls for forking the chain.

Meanwhile, d(coreHashrate)/dt is negative, and d(BUHashrate)/dt is positive.

[core doom intensifies]


Spending fiat on hashrate isn't really going to work is it? Are you going to use sock-puppets to make it look like people use the UnlimitedCoin network after your fork? It's going to be a little bit more difficult faking a $15 billion dollar economy than just a bunch of clowns getting paid to post nonsense on forums.

And, where is your fork? Remember, the fork you've been threatening for 2 years? Why does the fork never happen? Smiley

I've never threatened a fork. WTF you babbling about?

We don't need to pay for hash rate. After all, d(coreHashrate)/dt is negative, and d(BUHashrate)/dt is positive.

Cheers!
5100  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 01, 2017, 03:46:51 PM
... BU supporters insist that their wacky implementation must force Bitcoin's hashrate onto their Coin.

And again ,a core devotee calls for forking the chain.

Meanwhile, d(coreHashrate)/dt is negative, and d(BUHashrate)/dt is positive.

[core doom intensifies]
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