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5081  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 06:17:42 PM
Price not going up? Where is dev?  Huh




@billyjoeallen stopped buying MOAR ...
Is he one of the devs?

Dev promised roadmap "coming soon".

I'm hodling strong but children are screaming and wife hates the invisible coins.
What to do?

Is this scam?  Huh



re wife: flowers, always flowers.

This is true. Buying flowers to wife is always smart, but economically it is the equivalent of burning coins.


I would totally prefer coins to flowers!  How about an origami flower made out of a paper wallet?  That would be perfect!  Grin



You say that, but I am sure you turn all gooey inside whenever you get flowers.
5082  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 06:10:37 PM
Price not going up? Where is dev?  Huh




@billyjoeallen stopped buying MOAR ...
Is he one of the devs?

Dev promised roadmap "coming soon".

I'm hodling strong but children are screaming and wife hates the invisible coins.
What to do?

Is this scam?  Huh



re wife: flowers, always flowers.

This is true. Buying flowers to wife is always smart, but economically it is the equivalent of burning coins.


Buy cheap bundles, fluff them up and put them in a vase yourself so she can't tell. It's still not free, but damage control is much more costly.
5083  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 06:02:10 PM
The buyers at the auction will probably hold on to the coins for awhile
Would think so, it's a good opportunity to buy large amounts of coins without worrying about liquidity.
5084  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
Speaking of "marshall auction next week"  is this the last of the coins the feds have to auction at this point?  I hope so.  I think that it has caused some parties to keep prices deflated for hopes of purchasing in at a lower price, or just the fears that price will plummet because of such a huge amount being sold off.



No, there will be 44k left after this one.
5085  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 05:14:51 PM

There are quite a few people in this thread who would be happy on Mars. No government, no taxes, no infrastructure. If some of them could channel their energies into a Mars settlement, it could happen in no time at all.

There are a few people on this thread that I wish they would grind up and grit bloody roads with....preferably on Mars.  Cheesy

Hmmm....ok.



ha ha yeah I was kinda kidding...

Ignore button is your friend no doubt.

No no, I'm game! That's the button for the grinder. Or was it me you were thinking of?
5086  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 04:55:52 PM
Price not going up? Where is dev?  Huh




@billyjoeallen stopped buying MOAR ...
Is he one of the devs?

Dev promised roadmap "coming soon".

I'm hodling strong but children are screaming and wife hates the invisible coins.
What to do?

Is this scam?  Huh



re wife: flowers, always flowers.
5087  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 04:53:17 PM

There are quite a few people in this thread who would be happy on Mars. No government, no taxes, no infrastructure. If some of them could channel their energies into a Mars settlement, it could happen in no time at all.

There are a few people on this thread that I wish they would grind up and grit bloody roads with....preferably on Mars.  Cheesy

Hmmm....ok.

5088  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 04:14:59 PM
Talking of which I am more than curious to see how these guys get on, if they make it off the ground at all, and if so when, if they make it there, and actually manage to make a go of it, if they win the race, and what will follow.

http://www.mars-one.com/mission/roadmap

I am not sure about these guys at all, if they know what they are up to.

Time will tell.

It has been suggested by some that it will take another 100 years before we reach Mars... but then people said the same thing about sequencing the human genome halfway through the project when it was only 1% complete.

It could well be that Orion reaches Mars first... or another project we do not even know the name of yet.

Or not at all.

Going to be interesting finding out though.



To keep their schedule they need to order some doohickey(can't remember what it was) from Lockheed Martin within 6 months, and it looks like they won't. Which means the end of the project.

oh , I had not seen/heard that, last I heard that they had another year delay.

Eitherway these are all interesting ideas..

Interesting to think lockheed could take themselves there if they wanted, as no doubt could a few other corps out there... and they will.. soon as the profit model is locked in.






There are quite a few people in this thread who would be happy on Mars. No government, no taxes, no infrastructure. If some of them could channel their energies into a Mars settlement, it could happen in no time at all.
5089  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 03:20:59 PM
Talking of which I am more than curious to see how these guys get on, if they make it off the ground at all, and if so when, if they make it there, and actually manage to make a go of it, if they win the race, and what will follow.

http://www.mars-one.com/mission/roadmap

I am not sure about these guys at all, if they know what they are up to.

Time will tell.

It has been suggested by some that it will take another 100 years before we reach Mars... but then people said the same thing about sequencing the human genome halfway through the project when it was only 1% complete.

It could well be that Orion reaches Mars first... or another project we do not even know the name of yet.

Or not at all.

Going to be interesting finding out though.



To keep their schedule they need to order some doohickey(can't remember what it was) from Lockheed Martin within 6 months, and it looks like they won't. Which means the end of the project.
5090  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 12:49:03 PM

1) I'm sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.
2) There are very good reasons why that applies to personal debt and very good reasons why they don't apply to public debt. A country is not a person. It doesn't die. If and when it is dissolved, vanquished, conquered, then it is reasonable to ask where the debt goes.


But yes, there is a lot of risk involved with adding to an already huge debt. But sometimes the alternatives are worse. There was no reason to keep adding to the deficit after the dot-com crash of 2001 had been dealt with. So from 2002/2003-2008 both congress and the president should have focused on turning the deficit into a surplus. But instead they decided to gamble the nations future on an oxymoron called big-government conservatism. Kicking the dollar and replacing it with Bitcoin is not going to make republicans (both voters and politicians) less stupid. That requires education, publicly funded education. Even those on the right should recognize this.


1) no problem.
2) a government is not a country.

I'm not conservative (except culturally). I don't want to end the dollar. I want to end the forced use of the dollar by ending legal tender laws. Bitcoin may not ever catch on, but we should be free to use whatever form of money a buyer and seller agrees on.

Education is important, but politicians, bureaucrats and teachers don't have the incentives to do it well, which is why the don't do it well. Public choice economics predicts this and test scores confirm it. Online resources like The Khan Academy is free and take no tax money. That's not the whole solution, but part of it.  https://www.khanacademy.org/

Well said BJA.  Education certainly does not need to be publicly funded and controlled by bureaucrats to be effective or accessible at all. Why does this myth exist in spite of the myriad evidence against it?
It does in order to be accessible. And for society and social econommics, that's the important bit.
5091  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
What a fucking clown. Using bitcoin as a currency for a country:
https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/570609094438088705

Until now I believed that Jon Matonis was one of the few sensible and realist people in the bitcon scene (even though he is a bitcoin salesman).  But that is just too naive (or insincere).  Oh well...
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[1]So what is YOUR take on nations spending money that the unborn will have to repay? [2] If that's not taxation w/o representation, then what is it? You think that's moral? [3]We fought a war against the strongest empire on earth to stop that kind of tyranny.

Are you gonna make some bullshit argument that the ends justifies the means as long as they invest the loot right?

Bja, you know I love you. You often want my coins to appreciate, which I like. But this is just retarded.

1) They will inherit the country as well. If the elected government thinks they need to build up some debt to avoid a worse faith for the country, then that's what they must do.
2) It's regular taxation. Most of the choices made by the current generation affects the next. They were represented by their parents and grandparents.
3) If you think you think that the problem with Nazi-Germany was taxation, then your ignorance is close to offensive. Which is quite a feat.


[1]Huh Surely you know I was referring to the American Revolutionary War where taxation w/o representation was explicitly a casus belli. By your reasoning, the colonialists were represented by the King and the Founding Fathers were traitors. [2]You must also know that an heir can inherit wealth if the deceased has a positive net worth but is NOT obligated to take on debts of the deceased if he doesn't. We all have an obligation to our children that we don't have to our parents because nobody chooses to be born.

1) I'm sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.
2) There are very good reasons why that applies to personal debt and very good reasons why they don't apply to public debt. A country is not a person. It doesn't die. If and when it is dissolved, vanquished, conquered, then it is reasonable to ask where the debt goes.


But yes, there is a lot of risk involved with adding to an already huge debt. But sometimes the alternatives are worse. There was no reason to keep adding to the deficit after the dot-com crash of 2001 had been dealt with. So from 2002/2003-2008 both congress and the president should have focused on turning the deficit into a surplus. But instead they decided to gamble the nations future on an oxymoron called big-government conservatism. Kicking the dollar and replacing it with Bitcoin is not going to make republicans (both voters and politicians) less stupid. That requires education, publicly funded education. Even those on the right should recognize this.
5092  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
3) If you think you think that the problem with Nazi-Germany was taxation, then your ignorance is close to offensive. Which is quite a feat.
No Nazi. He was talking about British Empire. "No taxation without representation" etc.

Oh, lord
5093  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2015, 09:53:48 AM
What a fucking clown. Using bitcoin as a currency for a country:
https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/570609094438088705

Until now I believed that Jon Matonis was one of the few sensible and realist people in the bitcon scene (even though he is a bitcoin salesman).  But that is just too naive (or insincere).  Oh well...
e

[1]So what is YOUR take on nations spending money that the unborn will have to repay? [2] If that's not taxation w/o representation, then what is it? You think that's moral? [3]We fought a war against the strongest empire on earth to stop that kind of tyranny.

Are you gonna make some bullshit argument that the ends justifies the means as long as they invest the loot right?

Bja, you know I love you. You often want my coins to appreciate, which I like. But this is just retarded.

1) They will inherit the country as well. If the elected government thinks they need to build up some debt to avoid a worse faith for the country, then that's what they must do.
2) It's regular taxation. Most of the choices made by the current generation affects the next. They were represented by their parents and grandparents.
3) If you think you think that the problem with Nazi-Germany was taxation, then your ignorance is close to offensive. Which is quite a feat.
5094  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2015, 09:32:39 PM


 Grin

I was just now going to post that. I guess when it rains it pours, in both directions.
5095  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2015, 12:47:45 PM
you annoying bulls babbling about shorts and moon after a 1~2 $ rise...

50 k of old coins will hit open market soon, so you better pump this shit hard if you dont want to see 2 k batches of coins going for 150 $ or under!

You see the writing on the wall, you just like being cynical. Or you're just scared of seeming naive. Man up and take the plunge!






lol
5096  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
you annoying bulls babbling about shorts and moon after a 1~2 $ rise...

50 k of old coins will hit open market soon, so you better pump this shit hard if you dont want to see 2 k batches of coins going for 150 $ or under!

You see the writing on the wall, you just like being cynical. Or you're just scared of seeming naive. Man up and take the plunge!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHb2g1Tm4E
5097  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2015, 11:40:36 AM
Good Morning Gentlemens!! The mood is delightful in here today.

Echo chamber? Trolls? Tides turning?   You don't say!







Quality gif!
5098  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2015, 11:40:05 AM
Wall Street, bitcoin. Bitcoin, wall street.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ex-goldman-director-launches-bitcoin-derivatives-brokerage-2015-02-25-5203121

Quote
The platform aims to appeal to sophisticated investors and is backed by a high-profile team of experienced professionals from top investment banks and regulatory advisors. "The bitcoin space still lacks professional, reliable marketplaces, and this is what we provide. We apply the same standards in terms of risk management, compliance and reporting as you would see in the traditional finance space," said Timo Schlaefer, Co-Founder and CEO.

Making it easier for wall street hedge funds to gain bitcoin exposure using all of their traditional clearing systems etc.

This should be as good a reason as any to launch this mofo
5099  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2015, 10:03:06 AM
NO btc available for margin selling below 0.1% per day

edit: top of the hour auto lending scripts put ~50 btc up for loan under 0.1 but still very little

So if someone wants to do something, this is a nice opportunity?
5100  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2015, 09:43:33 AM
We are breaking up from the triangle soon

 ... as obvious as a wart on the end of your nose.

Yet few will admit to it, or do anything about it .... same deal with the wart.

I will admit to anything. Just bounce that mofo up to the $380s, and I'm game.

it is a powerful triangle now going back over a year ... probably move quite rapidly up to 500, don't see 380 as significant but 250-300 range could be active for a while until breakout confirms

I'm ok with $500
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