Over 600 players have taken advantage of this rewarding program. Get in now and good luck!  Where did they all go? |
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I don't think fortunejack is rigged. I think they offer a fair game and the dice jackpot is a oversight they should have fixed and offered compensation to affected players.
Normally twitchyseal is on the ball and I appreciate his post and research, but this posting is seems to be incorrect and needs to be verified before claims are made.
The luckyjack offers 10 prizes per day, FJ have at anytime 150-300 players(guess from observations) So they would have thousands of players claim the promotion per day, Gamblers just don't comprehend statistics very well and I would believe these claims the promo is rigged a side effect of not handling a previous promotion correctly.
I played at FJ yesterday, lost a bitcoin and would recommend my friends to play there. They just need to handle their errors better, The jackpot issue is one that needs to be addressed and maybe change the luckyjack promo to something that people can "see and feel"
Like I said, they were sent to me by someone else. I think they are just very non confrontational, I would honestly be shocked if they were fake. It's a free contest and there are worse things to worry about so take it for what it's worth I guess. All I did was pick out the most obvious and add the arrows. The fact they deleted them from the thread after I posted links to all 11 as they were sent to me should tell you something if my word isn't good enough. |
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Hi all,
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
And automatic. Hi there, You only get bonuses if you set your account to receive bonuses and tick the tick-box on the deposit page that states that you wish to receive bonuses. On top of that, if you made a deposit of 50 mBTC and without making any bet, you have 100 mBTC in your balance, I'd personally would start to ask question as to how I doubled my money without placing a bet. Especially since the bonuses are also displayed on the deposit page with the terms and conditions. Furthermore, the player has the opportunity to forfeit the bonus without consequence prior to starting to place any game rounds and also have the opportunity to forfeit their bonus and winnings from bonus and withdraw their cash at a later stage. Mike Mike, A player that goes to bitstarz.com, clicks on terms and conditions, reads all 5,290 words before checking the box to agree.  They will not be aware of your max bet rule and they will automatically be given a bonus with their deposit. unless They decline the bonus by checking this box:  or they find their way to part 3, section 12 of the separate bonus terms (over 2,000 words total) Worst case scenario for them, imo, is they actually win a little bit and you decide to let them slide. They make several more deposits, violating the rule each time before finally having a big win. Then they find out. |
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http://www.casinocoinsites.com/The site has been updated recently and is showing a November launch date. Created/supported in conjunction with Prypto and Dream Work I suspect that this site could have a huge involvement in the cryptocurrency gambling arena very very soon. Has anyone else been following this site or have any insight into what the future holds for it? It looks like an affiliate site. Just what we need... |
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Just checked. working or am I missing something? Also, the website is frozen with lines from 8 hours ago. Notre Dame/Miami is posted on the Live Betting page, with a line of -222 for Notre Dame. That game ended over 6 hours ago. Just think about how careless you have to be to let that sit there like that. It's obvious anyone at that book is sleeping or drinking. Because why not? If they cost anyone any money, they'll keep it. I see. Thank you for explaining 
Back to this. Did you get the Bet is confirmed message? Green box on bottom right thingy. Did the bet show on the Active Bets page? From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1458034.msg16607757#msg16607757 , Bet: Over 34.5 live on Clemson/NC State.
Bet amount: ? Odds: ? Potential payout: (Bet + Profit): ? 5+ BTC? Compensation: 1 BTCI don't know why you say no one is interested, you or sportsbet.io didn't respond to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1458034.msg16695162#msg16695162Original bet was 3400 mBTC at -154 odds I believe, would have paid mBTC of 5607. Did you get the Bet is confirmed message? So the amount you would have profited is 2.207 BTC. You got compensated 1 BTC. Fair point. Assuming they didn't take your 3400 mBTC, if you're 100% in the right, you have been shorted 1207 mBTC, not 5600 Not saying it justifies their actions, just trying to get as close to reality as possible. |
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Those images were sent to me by another player who noticed some patterns in your daily contents and asked me to post them for him. (i added the arrows)
Oh and the new logo is for your sig campaign members.
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-snip- 6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME! Maybe, just maybe, but maybe (<- didn't mean to use it again, but felt weird without) their rigged (for the most part) casino games generate good profits, as well as their sportsbook (pretty high margins). I don't think it's fair to accuse them like that without thinking about their sports volume and casino volume - not everything is poker. While I do think Betcoin is a scummy site, I think your being too focused on attacking them. Xiaoxiao itself stated that his poker players paid 75 BTC rake in August, while the casino revenue was around 3 BTC. The 3 BTC casino revenue can even not cover the 6 BTC for their signature campaign here. For the 75 BTC rake collected, they have to pay around 70 - 80% rakeback + 40% commission to Xiaoxiao = 110 - 120% = 7,5 - 15 BTC loss + too good to be true promotions loss + business expenses loss! I assume this is GamesProtects way of pointing out Xiao is a liar. To be clear, there's 0 chance Xiao's players pay a combined 75 btc in rake per month. On average, they deal less than 200k hands a week. Including all tournament, freerolls included and cash and unless somethings changed recently it's mostly micro stakes. That's nothing. He also claimed in the same post that the same players who were generating over 75 btc a month in rake generated less than 1 btc in casino, sports or dice revenue. He was just trying to play the roll of a poker savior that gives everything he makes back to the players out of the goodness of his heart. If Betcoin regulars weren't getting close to 100% rakeback, there wouldn't be any games. I don't think it does anygood calling Betcoin a "scam", because there are reasonable arguments to be made that they are not. I'm also don't think that they plan to run away with everyones money any time soon. I think whoever funds them hired a couple incompetent, under-qualified scumbags to manage the site. The owner is either not paying attention, doesn't care, or is dumb enough to be fooled by his employees into not realizing that Betcoin Andrew and Jessica are the reason they haven't increased their player base in two years+ Players get fucked out of money left and right, not bc Betcoin intended to, just because of their incompetence. The players who don't complain (often because they don't even realize it) or don't complain enough, don't get compensated - despite Betcoin being fully aware that they are owed money. Those who do complain, always get compensated. And then some. All their energy and resources goes into trying to cover up all their fuckups and then cover up their coverups. @cjmoles: I think you should ask Betcoin about their recent addition of new Betsoft games with new progressive jackpots. Here are some things they said last summer, could you please remind them of this and see what happened? If Betsoft didn't make any statement or conduct any third party audit, then why would they continue doing business with them? Especially when there are so many other options?  I think they might not delete your post since you've only say ever said good things about them in the past. |
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I'm 90% sure that Nicesoft is a personal friend posing as just another player or alt account that belongs to Xiaoxiao. No smoking gun proof, but I'd be surprised if I were wrong (although I wouldn't feel bad considering the shit he's made up about me and pretended like they were fact)
Edit: I wouldn't normally make an accusation like this without evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. But I'm making an exception here because they have each proven themselves to be total scum and It would just make perfect sense if the nicesoft account were created with the sole purpose of promoting Betcoin and more specifically Xiaoxiao as an affiliate if you look at the post history (including those posts complaining about late rake-back payments - and the swc affiliate link included in sig)
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Hi all,
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
And automatic. |
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I just didn’t know about it myself, but that was my stupid mistake, not theirs. Why should they get blamed if I don’t read the rules? Anyways, like I said, that was nice of them.
Ok. So you unknowingly broke a rule that they've punished other people for doing so, but you fortunately got a free pass (probably because they calculated the life time value of having you as a customer is greater than the amount of your withdrawal). But I'm just going to project here a little, and I suspect if had been like one of the other guys who lost 3.45 (like the OP) and 20 (?) bitcoin due to the very same mistake you wouldn't be so happy. Anyway, obviously they don't screw over /all/ their players, that just wouldn't make business sense. It's probably pretty safe to assume for every 1 customer they royally screw, there's another 10,000 they don't. But that doesn't make it ok. You don't get brownie points for doing the right thing. -- (And for everyone, I apologize for keep beating this horse, as they've already said they're finally going to fix the problem, which is fantastic. I just find it mind blowing that anyone could defend what is obviously highly predatory behavior and selective enforcement) LOL @ highly predatory behavior. The casino is giving the player bonus funds. They can set whatever terms they want on it. Its the player that chose to take the bonus and thereby responsible for knowing the rules of the bonus. If a player chooses he can simply NOT take a bonus and alleviate any problems when it comes time to cashout. Is that to hard to understand? Yes, the casino can do whatever they want. Nobody is denying that. If they want to establish and enforce highly predatory terms, they can. That's what Bitstarz is doing. |
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CJMultiaccounter is now trolling in here? SAD. Seems like he should find something better to do than go into a thread and try to derail it. Typical Betcoin Employee tactics.
His last post was a couple hours before the cutoff time for their sig campaign end of stage. He's made around 80 posts in the last 36 hours, guess he fell behind and wanted to make sure to get paid. |
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@cjmoles
Could you please ask them what's up with these independent studies, statements and where this article is and why they are adding more Betsoft progressive Jackpots if nothing has been done?
they wont delete your post, i dont think
Nothing has been done about what? It would help to know what needs to be done. There hasn't been any conclusive evidence that there's a real problem with the provider....that's why somebody reputable needs to do an independent study. It'd be interesting to analyze, for sure. But, out of all the watchdogs, nobody's been able to provide anything that they are willing to stand behind and publish. Not even casinolistings.com is confident enough in their own study to blacklist their affiliates....So far, nobody else has found their data credible enough to put forth their own effort to conduct an independent study. Well, they said an article would be written soon to clarify the relationship between Casino and Software Provider. They basically said betsoft needs to explain themselves after the jasonort thing. Then nothing happened. Now its almost November and they are adding more Betsoft progressive jackpots to their site and ignoring any question about the Betsoft issue. Maybe they won't ignore you. Give it a shot, why not?  |
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Can you get my money back from Tilt, UB, AP, or Lock? No! There hasn't been anybody who could....so, what makes your service special, thief?
That's because you lost it before black friday. |
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@cjmoles
Could you please ask them what's up with these independent studies, statements and where this article is and why they are adding more Betsoft progressive Jackpots if nothing has been done?
they wont delete your post, i dont think
Nothing has been done about what? It would help to know what needs to be done. There hasn't been any conclusive evidence that there's a real problem with the provider....that's why somebody reputable needs to do an independent study. It'd be interesting to analyze, for sure. But, out of all the watchdogs, nobody's been able to provide anything that they are willing to stand behind and publish. Not even casinolistings.com is confident enough in their own study to blacklist their affiliates....So far, nobody else has found their data credible enough to put forth their own effort to conduct an independent study. Well, they said an article would be written soon to clarify the relationship between Casino and Software Provider. They basically said betsoft needs to explain themselves after the jasonort thing. Then nothing happened. Now its almost November and they are adding more Betsoft progressive jackpots to their site and ignoring any question about the Betsoft issue. Maybe they won't ignore you. Give it a shot, why not? |
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Some thoughts:
1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org
2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.
This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.
3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?
4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.
This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have a heer of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!
5) 1 year ago they were running 10 btc freerolls every couple months. 6) 1 year ago they had no signature campaign 7) Now they pay over 6 btc per month to their sig campaign. |
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@cjmoles
Could you please ask them what's up with these independent studies, statements and where this article is and why they are adding more Betsoft progressive Jackpots if nothing has been done?
they wont delete your post, i dont think
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Hey cjmoles, since Betcoin loves you so much could you please ask them what's up with these independent studies, statements and where this article is and why they are adding more Betsoft progressive Jackpots if nothing has been done?  ^^^These were from July |
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I'm sure Mike has the data but how many players are actually betting over $15USD a spin on the slots and are on a bonus to break the max bet rule? I've been trtying to pry it out of him without success. I want to know -How many players have had cashouts affected. -How much Bitstarz has profited. -How often Bitstars "lets it slide" -Ave size they "let slide" vs not slide - In mikes honest opinion, if 100 people who had never gambled online before signed up and deposited at Bitstarz with instructions to be sure to read the terms, how many would place a bet over the maximum. -In mikes honest opinion, is guy who had 20 BTC taken from him have any malicious intent or any intent whatsoever other than to deposit his money and gamble at their site. (was posting earlier in the thread) They make the rules its up to the player to make sure they are following them and that usually involves the player getting deep into EVERY term and condition on the website they choose to play. I agree with you - sort of. In a tradition regulated model, there's a third party looking out for both the casino and the player (in exchange for a fat cut) With the regulator out of the picture (no curacao doesn't count), the responsibility of the regulator is basically up for grabs. Right now the casinos are just assuming the roll of regulator. The players can either let the casino do what they want, or they can speak up - organize themselves somehow and demand to be treated fairly. I think it's inevitable that's going to happen, just trying to get things moving along. Were stil in the stone ages of unregulated crypto gambling imo. |
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Nice post, I think most players will be able to relate one way or another. I hope Bitstarz pays the most attention to this part: request withdraw approved and after one night semi-sleepless night This is standard reaction for players who win a lot of money. Especially new players. It's not any one casinos fault, it's the fault of all casinos that do something scummy (like your max bet rule) and then justify it by saying "he lots of other casinos do it" It doesn't have to be like this. The money in a players account doesn't belong to you until they lose it. Even though there's nobody to fine you or shut you down if you steal it, every time you don't pay a player it will cost you eventually. Avoid bonus abuse by making bonuses that cant be abused instead of abusing players. Hi there, Again, there's a reason we have a max bet rule, and there's a reason other ones have it as well, which we've discussed in this thread numerous times. And again, we are getting a technical solution for this, it's just taking time to get it developed but it's underway. That means that we'll be the first to actually have a technical solution for the max bet rule, as far as I'm aware, and this problem won't happen. Mike The reason for the max bet rule is that you think it's more profiltable. Period. I'm telling you it really pisses players off. It makes players lose trust in you , bitcoin and online gambling - and with good reason. You shouldn't take one of your customers money unless you're damn sure they are guilty of something serious. Doesn't matter if it's 1 satoshi or BTC20 Doesn't matter if you gave them a bonus or not. Don't take someones money unless you are sure they are guilty. If a single player has their funds taken by you that had no malicious intentions, you failed. If you don't do everything in your power to prevent it from happening again. You're scummy. Seal, I'm all for calling out scummy casinos and believe me theres many of them online. But you are going over the line here with Bitstarz. As you know probably the worst of all online casinos is BTC Casino. Bitstarz is one of the decent more reputable bitcoin casinos. Yes they have a max bet term however for bitcoin players that amount has always been .025btc. In dollar value that has been $15-17 bet given the BTC price. To me thats more than a fair bet to limit players on. Granted this .025 was adopted way back when BTC price was around $200 which reflected a more industry standard $5 max bet term. The fact is they haven't changed it even though the price of BTC keeps rising. I have no issues with them having this rule in place as for 95%+ of most gamblers who take the welcome bonus or any other deposit bonus DO NOT bet more than $15 per spin on the slots. Only a super high roller would be placing bets like this and most of those are educated enough that they wouldn't take a bonus. Mike's already pointed out several well-known huge online casinos that have these same max bet terms. Why are you not going on a true casino forum such as Casinomeister and blasting them? I don't play on Bitstarz often but when I have they have always paid fast and I have never had a issue. If I'm going to play somewhere with a bonus though I will play at a casino with zero bet/game restrictions and there are a few of them around. But if I want to play without a bonus I rotate Bitstarz in occasionally. Bitstarz is definitely better than many and I'm not calling them a scam, but the reality is that it's very possible for a player, especially a new player, to sign up for one of these sites without any malicious intentions and have a huge amount of money taken from them. This is bad for everyone. The fact that they are only letting slide actually makes it worse if they are letting the small ones slide and taking the big ones, which I suspect is the case. Also, fyi, there are plenty of bitcoin sites out there that are doing very well and have never seized a single satoshi. Check out RHavers site, almost $30 million usd worth of bitcoin wagered in last 30 days. No bonuses, instant payout, fully transparent, no bullshit. (sorry to sound shilly, just making a point) |
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1) I am not a betcoin employee -- I am a volunteer 2) That is my private chat channel that has nothing to do with betcoin.ag [/quote] It's call, betcoin.slack The group is you, and all betcoin players It has something to do. 3) You can clearly see, in the context of the chat, that was several months old -- That I told someone... if they knew their friend had signuped up but the system didnt record it.. to have their friend re-sign up. I just wanted to person to get credit for referring a player.
It just so happened that in your campaign of hatred I didn't realize that you had taken something I said out of context and made it a personal attack on my character. You're angry because I, a human, made a suggestion? I can clearly see that at 8:22 am, you removed my pinned comments, disabled my twitter integration and kicked me from the group.  This was after I sent you the direct link to the post. At this point I think you knew I wasn't lying. You chose to post this anyway 10 minutes later: lies...
Yes, you are lying.
The screenshot you have provided shows an imaginary conversation (that literally never took place). There is not 1 bit of reality in that first post. The twitter screenshots are real.. you started trolling me yesterday.
IMO:
You learned that I was utilizing slack chat when I made one of my promo code websites public chat available (4 days ago). (#6zsBPC)
You created a slack chat... created usernames of myself and some random. You grabbed my avatar which is widely distributed online and then you sat there having a conversation with yourself.. took screenshots and tried to make it appear as me.
What you are doing is personally harassing me. I am a moderator on the forums at Betcoin.ag. I do that in support of the bitcoin community. There is not any compensation or anything for the time I volunteer. Please STOP HARRASSING ME.
You're not the first person to just make shit up about me for calling them out on something, I have plenty more evidence if need be, but i think that's enough. |
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