I no longer see primeasic mining on ozco.in.
Does that mean their mining contract expired at the same time their website, phone number, parent company affiliation and office space did?
Does anyone believe this guy is actually going to ship you an ASIC miner?
Well, he is cashing at least 1.350€. Just for setting up a fake website and posting two or three posts in a forum. In just three days. CALL HIM STUPID! |
|
|
|
I took an $80 gamble - I will keep you guys updated....
We bitcoiners are perfect targets for scams. Ready to throw an $80 dollars gamble to the equivalent of a "less than 1" gamble in satoshidice (0.0015% of chances to succeed). You just have to promise immediately available GHashes, register a website, claim to be a non-existent company with non-existent history, fake 8 or 9 comments from "old" customers that never existed before, and immediately after you will have a consistent number of bitcoiners ready to take that gamble. But the house always win. |
|
|
|
Anyway,
company says it is part of another company, EDI GREEN, but that is not true. Company impersonates another company, HRP.HU. Fake office address -- no one at claimed addresses knows who they are. Telephone is not answered, may be non existent.
This is what I'm repeating over and over in this thread. Came'on people, we had members of this forum checking personally those addresses. Speaking to EDI GREEN and HRP.HU employees. The addresses are definitely fake and the phone number was created on Monday and is unresponsive. The guy appeared in the forum, promised to come back the morning after, then disappeared for almost a week. And STILL we have here people that paid in advance, just because it looks like paying with Paypal makes this absurd gamble safe? In Satoshi terms: you have 0.0005% to win this gamble. And paypal is a bitch, my friend. If this is a short-term scam and they immediately cash-out, it's not going to be easy to get a refund for an email to email transaction.... ...to buy "bitcoin miners"  |
|
|
|
No, that is not safe because you have to scan the key into an online computer to use it, at which point it is vulnerable. You could scan it into an offline computer and sign the transaction there, but then why not just keep the key there instead of on paper?
A Raspberry Pi costs $35 and can sufficiently run an offline Armory install. It's a cheap and effective solution.
I think you don't even need a dedicated machine (Raspberry Pi). You can run a live a persistent usb with linux, with Armory and your wallet in it. 1) you turn off your online computer 2) you boot the computer from the live usb 3) you sign the transactions with armory 4) you turn off the computer, remove the usb, and run your normal OS, online For extra safety you can format the pendrive on each use, to avoid autoexecuting threats. Anyhow you can disable auto-executing in Linux. Recommendations I come up: a) never connect to the internet from the live usb environment (obviously) b) don't mount your online computer hard drive from the live usb environment c) for extra tin-foil hat mode, after using the live usb environment and turning off the computer, unplug it and leave it unplugged for a couple of minutes to be sure that all traces of your live environment have been wiped from RAM Additionally you can make a clone of that usb for redundancy and print a paper backup of your wallet. Didn't try this method, but it looks like pretty safe if you don't have an old computer/raspberry pi hanging around |
|
|
|
The webserver is answering requests again, but it has a default placeholder site up at the moment. Could the order system be coming online?
BUY BUY BUY!!!  |
|
|
|
Payapal Purchase protection: Here are a few examples of situations where an item doesn’t match the seller’s description: you purchased a book and got a DVD, you purchased a new item but got something that was used, you purchased 3 items but only got 2, the item was damaged during shipping, the item is missing major parts (that the seller didn’t disclose), or you purchased an authentic brand but got a knockoff instead. If the seller has accurately described an item, but you’re just not happy with it, that doesn’t qualify for Purchase Protection. Most of the eligibility requirements for Purchase Protection are written above. Purchase Protection does not cover certain kinds of purchases. These include: digital goods (intangible items), services, real estate, motorized vehicles (of any kind), custom made items, travel tickets, industrial machinery (for manufacturing), prepaid cards, or items that violate our policies or eBay’s policies (stuff that’s usually prohibited by law anyway). Purchase Protection also does not cover items that you purchase in person, or money you send to friends and family.
I think they would say that an ASIC btc miner is by definition, a custom made item. Wouldn't they? You know what's their policy about BTC... This is even more true if the scammer cashes out immediately from their paypal account. |
|
|
|
So someone really paid in advance. I'm amazed and not in a good way.
That's way we will see scammers offering ASIC miners. They know there will be anxious, greedy people willing to believe that scammers will be able to fulfill their promises, even if their offer is ridiculously full of red flags. It's like the bitswing.com guys offering BTCS at 21$. |
|
|
|
Yeah Paypal Buyer Protection applies if he paid and market it as a payment for a purchase. He has 45 days to open a dispute. If the seller asked him to mark it as "gift" and he complied, then he's been ripped off. Again: explain to paypal that the 1.249€ radiator you received is not "mining bitcoins" as it was supposed to do. Good luck with that.
It's not like nobody has ever paid for a computer with PayPal before. They'll be able to understand. This is what they call "item not as described". I.e. you get a brick, radiator or a Pentium III instead of a bitcoin ASIC. But good luck with getting a refund if it doesn't make as much money as you think you would. That isn't covered. Well, that's what I said. You get a nice radiator full of chips that gives you 0.00000 Mhashes. Good luck explaining that to paypal. |
|
|
|
He is protected, if he paid for goods. If he did mass payment of gift then he isnt.
Again: explain to paypal that the 1.249€ radiator you received is not "mining bitcoins" as it was supposed to do. Good luck with that. |
|
|
|
Tienes razón, todos los que tenemos bitcoins nos hemos tenido que rascar el bolsillo de una forma u otra, pero que el precio alcance estos máximos llama la atención y atrae nuevos usuarios haciendo que la inversón de tienpo y esfuerzo compense. En cuanto al precio no hay que olvidar que en estos momentos el número de bitcoins aumenta diariamente, por lo que en un mercado estable debería estar cayendo de valor, esto nos da una idea de la fuerza que tiene en estos momentos. No nos olvidemos que aún estamos en una fase de "early adoption". Comprar bitcoins es de todo menos fácil, ahora Bitinstant le está dando un empujón en los USA, pero en España o tiras de OTC, o de Virwox (lo cual es un coñazo porque al cambio actual sólo puedes comprar los BTC a razón de 1 al día) o si no estás obligado a registrarte a un exchange como MtGox, que como todos sabemos conlleva un proceso de verificación lento y tedioso... Con sus transferencias SEPA y su procedimientos para nada "user friendly". En resumen: estamos en una fase muy, muy inicial. Claro que los que minaron 50 BTC al día en 2010 (sí, casi 20K btc en un año), o los que compraron a 2usd han visto multiplicarse su capital de una forma brutal, incomparable a los que compraron por primera vez a 10€, 20€ o 30€. Pero en mi opinión todo lo que sea comprar BTC a menos de 100€ es una ganga, porque está destinado a valer al menos 10 veces más en el largo plazo. En resumen: en mi opinión, en el largo plazo, sólo puede ocurrir dos cosas con el BTC: 1) vale 0 2) vale más del equivalente de 1.000€ de hoy Para que viéramos la opción 1) (btc ya no vale nada) tendría que pasar una de dos: a) se descubre un problema en la criptografía/programación que hace el BTC vulnerable a ataques b) aparece otra cripto-moneda aún más segura, aún más anónima y que permita un volumen de transacciones por segundo mayor y a menor precio En mi opinión la única amenaza real es la b). Y por ahora está aún muy lejos de hacerse realidad. |
|
|
|
Just half a year ago, a dump like yesterday's would have taken weeks or months to recover from. Not bad, Bitcoin, not bad at all.
For sure. The pattern we've been seeing for the last two months seems to be 1. Bitcoin breaks into new $10 increment range 2. Some bears try really really hard to dump 3. Buyers snatch up low priced coins and price goes back to where it started 5. Everyone realizes that the demand at new range is for real and everyone buys as many coins as they can 4. Rinse and repeat At the moment, it seems the pattern is repeating for $40. It'll be interesting to see if it continues. So you think there will be no further correction today? |
|
|
|
Esta madrugada he comprado a 26.50 Listo para comprar más con el nuevo dump cuando empiecen a despertarse los yankis |
|
|
|
|
I guess these guys are just trying to get as many orders as possible before we discover on Monday that no ASIC existe in Hungary. Came'on guys. We all like to gamble, but let's don't make it too easy for scammers. Red flags everywhere, 0.001% possibilities this is for real, but anyhow I'm sure they will cash orders during today/tomorrow/the weekend because some people are too anxiously greedy to think clearly.
|
|
|
|
I don't say you won't definitely be able to have your chargeback: but CC or paypal are NOT a 100% guarantee. They are not? Sounds a bit alike when I check the PayPal chargeback rules. What problems could occur? When the seller already cashed out it is more PayPal's problem than mine, isn't it? In theory, yes. In practice, you may have to wait up to 6 months before you get a refund. Or they can say you don't have enough proofs about you being scammed. |
|
|
|
*IF* anything gets sent - make an opening video at the post office or in front of the delivery man!!! Paypal can be a bit dense at times-if they provide a tracking number which states they sent and delivered something the right size.....  100% right. And don't forget that you could get a radiator of the same size and looks of the picture advertised. Then explain to paypal that this is not "mining bitcoins" as you expected. I believe you were too anxious. As stated, I'm going to be in Bud next week. We have two or three hungarian bitcoiners who already went to the different addresses advertised with no success, and who are ready to go again to check the units in person. I would have waited to have a confirmation from them before placing an order. |
|
|
|
I just payd one device via PayPal - I will keep you informed. Hope to receive a valid tracking number on monday. If nothing arrives I still have PalPays refund policy that is likely to cover it.
Beware: Paypal/CC credits are credited immediately to the vendor. If this is a short term scam and they "cash-out" from Paypal before you start the refund process, then neither Paypal or your CC issuer will be able to make the chargeback to the vendor. I don't say you won't definitely be able to have your chargeback: but CC or paypal are NOT a 100% guarantee. |
|
|
|
Someone dumping again???
Stupid....
Seriously... I wouldn't call nothing below 2k btc a "dump". This is small-volume trade, nothing like yesterday. Edit: realized we just had a 2.5k "dump" indeed. |
|
|
|
I got an email reply today for of my email enquiring about how to place and order. It stated this Monday we will be able to order on the webpage. They also stated that they have 500 units presently and that they are a little bit overwhelmed by the interest. I will try to get for the details if I can view the product prior to purchasing it.
Please be careful. They changed the registration of the website: at the beginning was some "Edi" company that didn't know what an ASIC or BTC is. Then they changed it to HRP Hungary (hrp.hu), which I contacted and told me they have nothing to do with ASIC or BTC. Some other people went to the addresses they have on the website, having the same "i don't know what you are talking about" answers from people there. Last but not least, nobody had the chance to contact them at the brand new phone number they have created for this. Don't get me wrong: I would love this to be real, I will be in Budapest next week and I would really love to buy some of the units myself. But there are red flags everywhere. The only non-red flag is this new picture, which is something than ca be very easily faked. I would recommend ordering NOTHING until a few trusted members can see the working units with their eyes. It shouldn't be difficult, as I'm going to be there next week, we have some hungarian fellows reading the forum, and some others are at drive distance and waiting for a "local pickup address" to check this is not a scam. |
|
|
|
So what is this? Fake or real?
Ship to Thailand?
99% this is a scam my friend. Check the status full thread: -they are impersonating a well established IT company that doesn't even know what bitcoin is (hrp.hu) -new website -no answer to emails and PMs -new and unresponsive phone -fake office address etc... |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
