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5141  Bitcoin / Group buys / [Group buy] ASICMINER 10GH/s Boards Shipping Now on: April 17, 2013, 10:00:41 AM
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This is the first round of a series of auctions for Bitfountain products. 10 Block Erupter blades, the same as the ones used in ASICMINER's actual deployment, are available for bidding in this round. We start with this experimental auction to collect the user criticisms for improving our products, as well as the market reaction for deciding how to release the hashpower over the world.

1 unit = 10.752 GH/s, max speed (with overclocking) 12.829 GH/s.

Unlike other mining orders, this device ships pretty much as soon as you pay (after the auction ending of course). So you can mine the current network difficulty, instead of only getting the units in two months of lead time.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178275.0

Group Buy:

There are multiples of 100 shares. Each share costs up to 1 BTC. That is, I will bid up to 100 BTC in the auction, but I will try to get the units at the lowest price possible. If we buy the unit for 65 BTC, then I will send out a refund of 0.35 BTC per share.

1 share = 1% of mining proceeds of one Block Erupter blade, minus electricity costs, and a 5% maintenance fee.

I pay $0.255 AUD / kWh in power. There are no shipping costs.

Full refund if this does not go through (can't buy unit). If we get 50 shares and we buy a unit for 50 bitcoins (for example), then each share gets 2% of mining proceeds.

Interested? Send me a PM. Shares are transferable. Min purchase 5 shares.
5142  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER Auction: 10 Block Erupter Blades on: April 17, 2013, 09:57:58 AM


Well, an on-hand Avalon batch 1 goes for around 3-40k, which is around 470~BTC for 63 Gh/s. By this logic, the fair price for a 10GH/s device like this would be around 80~BTC.


shhhhhhhhh     Wink

They only went for 30K - 40K because BTC was trading @$200+

You mine BTC with them, not $, so my guess is with BTC being down over 60%, the prices of those Avalons will also be down 60%


I guess then the big question is what you think BTC will be worth in month or two.    ;-)
That doesn't really matter beyond the electricity cost. You pay BTC, this device mines BTC.
5143  Other / Meta / Re: Is it Possible to Subscribe to Individual Threads Through RSS? on: April 17, 2013, 09:55:32 AM
I don't see "individual thread" there.
5144  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: April 17, 2013, 09:48:26 AM
Wow there is a 600+ share sell wall @ 0.9 BTC on Bitfunder. Someone is cashing out two weeks too soon.  Grin

Looks like I'm up for the night digging out cold wallets and waiting for confirmations.

Someone pulled that sell wall Sad
5145  Economy / Securities / Re: Arbitridge fund? on: April 17, 2013, 09:47:05 AM
You don't lend coins to people - some of the coins are lent for low risk loans, and if you've being in the lending section you know I'm very picky about who I loan to Cheesy
5146  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Conflict of interest? Mtgox and Ripple on: April 17, 2013, 08:22:43 AM
Ripple is centralized.
MtGox is too. Ripple can more easily be made decentralized than MtGox and there are actual plans to do so, compared to MtGox.
Ripple is not open source despite what they say.
The server currently isn't but will be, the principles behind are already better documented than anything on MtGox.
The client is already OpenSource.
Ripple is 100% premined.
XRP are premined, Ripple itself is (just like Bitcoin) more than just a currency. Also, besides a few hundred XRP you can use Ripple without needing them ever again. Currently you get far more than you will ever need in your lifetime for free in this forum.

But bitcoin isn't centralized. The exchange part is always going to be somewhat centralized - doesn't matter if you use otc (IRC operators, OTC orderbook etc), or an exchange. But the network itself is centralized.

The client is open source? The client is not a full client, it is a light node. The server / full node is closed source and is centralized.

Plus, in Ripple you cannot send money or bitcoins, you can only send debt.
5147  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Shit... Sent my coins to satoshi dice from a green address on: April 17, 2013, 07:53:12 AM
Any chance I'll can get it back if I win?

All of your coins are belong to Gox.
Yeah.
5148  Other / Meta / Re: Is it Possible to Subscribe to Individual Threads Through RSS? on: April 17, 2013, 07:52:18 AM
Don't think SMF supports RSS for individual threads.

Maybe a job for Logik's API to make it output RSS for threads?
5149  Other / Meta / Re: Is Bitcointalk forum compromised? on: April 17, 2013, 07:49:27 AM
I highly doubt the forum is compromised, someone just made a lot of accounts in 2011.

This is a OpenCoin Inc's giveaway rules problem, not the forum's.
5150  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [ANN] CoinDrama.com - Bitcoin's Dirty Laundry on: April 17, 2013, 07:18:55 AM
Are you interested in someone writing recaps of past drama?
5151  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple SCAM: You *do not* own BTC or USD, you own debt that will collapse on: April 17, 2013, 07:09:41 AM
Updated title.
5152  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ripple vs Bitcoin on: April 17, 2013, 07:02:36 AM
Even if you trust people you know in life, if they trust people who either trusted someone that defaults, or trusts someone that either trusts someone who defaults or trusts someone that either [..]
This is completely wrong.

If you owe money on a mortgage do you think they give a shit if your friend didn't pay back money you lent them? Do they give a shit if you lost your job. No you still owe the debt. If A owes B; and B owes C; and A refuses to pay that's B's fault. C doesn't care, B still owes them. If B welches on their debt to C then B is an asshole and no one will trust him anymore. In particular if I'm C and I know B in "real life" then I'll make their life difficult.

So thanks for telling everyone that you won't pay your debts if someone ever defaults on a debt to you. I hope everyone realizes that means they can't trust you.
What you are saying is wrong. Especially the "completely wrong" part.

If you have 95% of your money stored in a bank, and the bank (gateway) defaults [because a lot of people they loaned to defaults], are you going to be able to pay your debt to your friend with money you don't have? And if your friend can't get any money from his web of debt, how are they going to pay back their creditors? They won't, and the whole web of debt system collapses with a enough big default.

It's not about "would someone pay back if someone defaults on them", it is about could.

If EVERYONE defaults on me - my bank, my assets, my employer, and the bitcoin network defaults on me, where the fuck do you think I'm going to pay out? This isn't going to happen in real life, because unlike ripple my bitcoin exists in the blockchain instead of in the form of interest free debt that is absolutely always worth less than face value, and my banks are insured by Australia.
5153  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Businesses and Developers, Let's Get Started! on: April 17, 2013, 06:55:40 AM
I'd like to announce in the main forum a relatively small web-based service (which has been operating for about 13 years and has about 30,000 users) that has just started accepting Bitcoin. It's called Time Cave (http://timecave.com) and allows people to schedule email messages in the (far-ish) future.

The site is not particularly Bitcoin-related -- but as I've followed Bitcoin's development over the years, I've noticed that many users of Bitcoin think long-term, and I could imagine the site might be useful in a small way for some of you.  For example, you could use it to store an encrypted ECDSA private key and pass it on to a family member in 5 years automatically, unless you cancel the message.  Or you could do something similar to enact a kind of "forced savings," or just a long-term key backup. Of course, you might use it for messages entirely unrelated to Bitcoin too.

The service is free. It accepts contributions, and it has an "upgraded" service level that allows unlimited messages (within reason) and a variety of other features, like recurring message.  Our subscription fee has been $12.  We've priced Bitcoin payments proportionally for now; that is, at the moment, we'll use the general prevailing exchange rate for all subscription payments over 0.1 BTC, rounding the length of the subscription in subscribers' favor if there's any ambiguity (sharp price changes or what not).

Could I get approved to announce it in the general forum (and perhaps some guidance on which particular "Service" forum would be the best place to announce it)?  I'd be happy to write a more specific message there that introduces the service a little more thoroughly. Thanks!

PS -- Please don't make timecave.com a target of attacks!  Smiley  We don't run a Bitcoin node on that server, and we don't store private keys on any online systems. The server has a bulk list of addresses, not unlike those that can be generated by bitaddress.org, and it assigns them to individual accounts to track payments.  It's all very rudimentary now, but it seems like a simple way for a service-based website to accept Bitcoin; it took something like 20 lines of code to add the feature from scratch.
Nice post! I think it should go to service announcements.
5154  Economy / Auctions / Re: 1 BTC For PP[Starts at $10] on: April 17, 2013, 06:53:13 AM
You were quoting / responding to him.
5155  Economy / Auctions / Re: 1 BTC For PP[Starts at $10] on: April 17, 2013, 06:51:03 AM

Go for it. Even on ebay or any other auction site you can back out from a winning auction. As a buyer, I no longer want it, as I do not see the product viable anymore. In a business, buyer is always right. I give a flying f**k about what you think Grin

i would but it's not my auction

ebay huh?

using about.com as a quick google search http://ebay.about.com/od/frequentlyaskedquestion1/f/faq_backout.htm

 Sometimes you'll bid on an item only to see it for sale in the Sunday paper at a lower price than your bid, or only to realize that you've already spent your grocery money for the month. In such cases, is it okay to back out?
Answer: No. Just as would be the case in a "live" auction, eBay auction bids are considered legal and binding on both bidder and seller. As a bidder, you must pay for the item and receive it if you win, and likewise, the seller must transfer ownerhship of the item to you and deliver it to you once you have paid for it as a winning bidder.


seems to describe this situation quite exact huh? you woke up and saw the item cheaper and backed out

It is absolutely ok for buyer to back out of an auction in ebay. I have had many buyer do so. It is better to cancel the auction, and relist instead of a disgruntled buyer. Ebay gives your final value fee and listing fees back for a cancelled auction. This auction is listed for free.

Moreover, this is an invalid auction item, as you cannot list usd for ebay auction - go try it and see if you get banned or not.

Anyway, I an done with replying.

It is OK if the seller accepts it. And where did camolist ask for this to be listed on ebay?
5156  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bryan Micon's "Bet Me Anything" thread on: April 17, 2013, 06:47:38 AM
In this site of so-called Bitcoin geniuses, not a single person even had a response to my own thread asking about a certain peculiar behavior of the reference client.  Maybe nobody here knows.  Maybe they're too dumb.  In any event, I'm still interested in knowing why the reference client did this thing.
Your TX most likely qualified for no transaction fee. All outputs have to be at least 0.01 BTC, and the coin age of inputs must be 0.6 or more. Free transactions are slower to be confirmed, only a limited number of them is accepted per block.

Since you have set the min TX fee to 8192 satoshi or whatever, instead of sending no fee it sent 8192 satoshis.
5157  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Free Transaction Relay Policy details on: April 17, 2013, 06:44:55 AM
It seems like your transaction has qualified for the free TX, and since you have set a 8192 satoshi fee bitcoin-qt sent it with that as a fee instead of free.

You could also try filing a issue on http://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
5158  Economy / Auctions / Re: 1 BTC For PP[Starts at $10] on: April 17, 2013, 06:41:32 AM
Yeah, it's pretty dishonorable on shibaji's part. Hopefully btc4amazon and him comes to an agreement.
5159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Ripple SCAM: You *do not* own BTC or USD, you own debt that will collapse on: April 17, 2013, 06:27:52 AM
Because Ripple lets you send debt.

You can't send a BTC through ripple. You can send a "user rEckWuf927y3fu9 promises to pay 1 BTC when you redeem this coupon" BTC through Ripple.

Ripple is closed source and centralized, and as it is debt based you are going to end up seeing your "money" and "bitcoins" disappear as the debtors default.

What happens when user rEckWuf doesn't honor the BTC debt he sent? Dominios collapse. People who have trusted people who have trusted people who have trusted [..] people who have trusted rEckWuf is out of their coins - this is because of their literally infinite "web of debt" system. There's a reason why WoT works with trust, not debt.

Even if you trust people you know in life, if they trust people who either trusted someone that defaults, or trusts someone that either trusts someone who defaults or trusts someone that either [..]

and here you can see a sufficient enough default will end up with all "USD", "EUR", "BTC" vanished into thin air. Seriously, it is a disaster waiting to happen.
5160  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ripple vs Bitcoin on: April 17, 2013, 06:22:31 AM
Because Ripple lets you send debt.

You can't send a 1 BTC through ripple. You can send a "user rEckWuf927y3fu9 promises to pay 1 BTC when you redeem this coupon" BTC through Ripple.

Ripple is closed source and centralized, and as it is debt based you are going to end up seeing your "money" and "bitcoins" disappear as the debtors default.

What happens when user rEckWuf doesn't honor the BTC debt he sent? Dominios collapse. People who have trusted people who have trusted people who have trusted [..] people who have trusted rEckWuf is out of their coins - this is because of their literally infinite "web of debt" system. There's a reason why WoT works with trust, not debt.

Even if you trust people you know in life, if they trust people who either trusted someone that defaults, or trusts someone that either trusts someone who defaults or trusts someone that either [..]

and here you can see a sufficient enough default will end up with all "USD", "EUR", "BTC" vanished into thin air. Seriously, it is a disaster waiting to happen.
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