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5161  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [SIDEHACK STICK] Official sales thread for everywhere not already covered on: October 21, 2015, 12:36:22 PM
I dug around in the threads and on the net and can't find a powered usb hub that can handle twenty or more. Can someone point me in the right direction? I would prefer something that is somewhat compact since the wife is pissed off at the noise of nine s7's running in the garage, so I want something a bit more fun to tinker with when I am bored. Smiley


Ufo

Very few can do 20.   That is a lot of miners.  The only one I have seen do this close to this and it is Phil.   It is very impressive.

You might ask him more about his hub.   It is a very nice hub I cant remember the name of the top of my head though.   And he might have had to mod it to do that, I am at a loss for some reason remembering it.  Found post about it he did mod hub - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1177508.msg12599952#msg12599952 it is chances are the sweetest compac rig. And only one I have seen do near 20 it is at 19.
5162  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Fanilly had a 220 30 amp line out in best thing ever on: October 21, 2015, 12:29:42 PM
*edit it was getting to be a LONG quote so shorted it rest is above.

er forgot to mention it probably was (inspector on hand etc) a 'city' ordinance ...univ town..thus landlords probably electrocuting self....but that was the rate ..(or I looked like a soft touch)

but yeah if i'd know what you did (duh) i prob would have done the same...as it was i squeaked by.....so its prob for the best

for those of you just needing a 32 port panel ..the charge for that complete was 500 bucks..guess that is more common ..thought they'd screw me on that but probably the 2500 bucks is the electrican's are taking in to account ..if we have to stand around all AM talking to the xcel guys till the electrical inspector shows up or not....this is wtf we are gonna charge for service install in this town

but if i do decide to do it someday I'll try your method ..but doubt it now so ..hell at least saved 1300 bucks compared to you (dumb and lucky always my 'idiot' back up plan) Smiley

 

I also got lucky as far as ordinances.  With the land being used for farmers around me, they really don't have many at all.  They leave it pretty open with not being in city, if you lived in city there are quite a bit more.

It's almost funny to be honest only big ordinance I can think of is you can no longer open a porn shop.   One of these opened and the town went into a serious battle over it.  What happened is that one got grandfathered in and you can no longer open a "adult" business like that with current ordinances.  Other then that your  pretty much open to do what you want.
5163  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S4 Discussion and Support Thread on: October 21, 2015, 12:22:00 PM
I've been reading up all I can on the s4 Doggies set up guide doesn't seem to have been updated recently about firmware? can someone point me towards what I should do to get this up and running at it's best? I have read a lot of concerns around different pools and difficulty settings which I don't quite understand yet.

You can safely get the firmwares you want from Bitmain's website. https://bitmaintech.com/support.htm?pid=00720140930114518599JXGHWWD80660

It is possible to flash your sd card to a old version and get volt control. If you use the latest Firmware that fix most serious issues, then you will lose volt control. The way to keep volt control while having smit's firmware + the proper cgminer version is convoluted to say the least.

I had a few of these and just kept the old firmware on them.  I did not want to lose control in case I ever did want to over/under clock.  I never had a issue with them running on old firmware.   I don't think there are any really serious issues as far as firmware.

It seemed the PSU was a problem more then firmware on S4's.  I may have been lucky but I never experienced that problem luckily.
5164  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BM1384 Pod Miner plus trade-in/recycling - an interest and feasibility poll on: October 21, 2015, 12:17:35 PM
So, who thinks I should put a cap on how many S5 boards a person can trade for pods? What should that cap be? Five? Ten? I know right now only 8 survey respondents have selected the straight trade option, but I'm also told that the market value for dead S5 boards has been increasing since this thread appeared because people are buying in anticipation of the opportunity to trade.

Should I worry about a cap, in order to prevent some folks from being taken advantage of by a few opportunistic individuals? Or should I not care and let the market fend for itself? I don't like being party to someone getting screwed, but at the same time it's not my job to be the dick police.

Also, y'all will be pleased to note that I made absolutely no progress on this or any other project today.

Assuming each board traded in brings in more chips to the project and would increase the overall amount of Pods I would not cap.  But that depends on the amount of Pods.

If there is a number like 50 pods or something like mentioned once I would really like to see limited a little bit to spread around.  Even offer pre-ordering as I think quite a few of us would be willing to do this and not bug you on timeframe.
5165  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BM1384 Pod Miner plus trade-in/recycling - an interest and feasibility poll on: October 21, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
Yeah, market for the dead boards is getting rough. Like REALLY rough. I haven't been able to get ahold of the amount of boards i told back then (just 1) and everyone down here on my country is stashing them Smiley Guess it will be great for the project, maybe i instead will arrange a group shipment and buy-back of the extra pods.

Kinda nebulous atm on how i will handle it Sad i have at least 4 peeps on my family interested on the pods, plus a lot of people on a miners group talking about these babies.

What happened between the post below and now?

...
But yeah, there are more important things than money. I treat money as a resource, something I want because it enables me to do awesome stuff. A lot of people want money just to have money and whatever power or comfort having lots of money could bring. Me, I just want resources - but I don't want to feel like I didn't earn what I have, which is one of the things defining my stance on preorders and investment dollars.

Speaking of resources, i've just got 1 dead board from a friend, there's about 15 more incoming my way, that would net about 16 boards "if" the project goes trough.

As soon as i have them all, and you say "go" i'll send'em.

To go from 16 boards to 1 is quite a few less.  Just curious what happened in only a few days would had been exciting to see that many shipped in for this.
5166  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: October 21, 2015, 12:11:27 PM
And as I am getting ready to crash for the night I ask again.

Has anyone received an active shipping notice for batch 2 and or 3?

A notice that ups or fedex or dhl shows as the unit or units in motion?

Nothing so far for me, B3 order date:

2015-09-29 17:24:30


yeah  as of this morning the 21st no one has said they have confirmed tracking for Batch 2 or 3.

the clock starts ticking on the 25th of oct when it comes to these batches. My guess is they will not ship any earlier then the 23rd.

Back to batch 1 does anyone have a batch date on the 20th of sept or 21st of sept?  If you do have you got any 'real' shipping info?

I do believe they were up to the  Sept 19th dates on batch 1

Really with the compensation they announced they don't have a huge incentive to ship it out in time.  PPS till day it ships I believe it was.

So I hope they do not ship late on the batches.  But i don't see them working workers overtime or anything to avoid the small compensation.
5167  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Mining rigs rental is that profitable? on: October 21, 2015, 12:05:02 PM
it can only be profitable on new altcoin if you instamine with tons of hashpower rented for 3 hours max, or even less if possible, because the outcome of a new alt is unknown there is the chances of a big gain

i would not try it for anything else, but it was profitable with cointellect, very profitable Cheesy

The problem is there is not a lot of new altcoins worth mining really.   This has happeneded a few times (paycoin days) where price jumped to rediclous prices on renting. 

But for most part we have not seen this for a while I would say.  BTC is pretty much what everyone is mining as far as sha.
5168  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose? on: October 21, 2015, 12:02:56 PM
Finally , Avalon get the Avalon6 spec in public officially .

Thanks for sharing.   I'm excited to see a new miner on the market.

Did they release the price?   I really am curious on it.
5169  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What is the most profitable asic miner? on: October 21, 2015, 11:39:51 AM

How about if my current rate is 0.238$ then how much is s5? it will be profitable in my electrycity current rate?


 With electric THAT bloody expensive, your probability of achieving RoI on ANY current or recent miner is pretty much zero - in fact, the ONLY currently available miner that would show ANY profit at all would be the S7 (possibly a SP20 if you clock it WAY down for max efficiency or an S5 if you can undervolt it enough - many S5s CAN NOT undervolt at all though), but you'll be spending so much on electric to feed the miner you'd never pay the thing off or even come close.


 NOTHING other than ASIC has a prayer of being profitable for Bitcoin mining - Pi don't use a lot of power but they would hash in the KILOhash/sec range, even slow ASIC are multi-digit GIGAhash/sec and current ones are pushing into the multi-TERRAhash/sec range.

Your Pi would be trying to compete with the Thrust SSC in a max-speed race in your Model T Ford that has 2 cylenders not firing and thinking you have a chance of being competative.


 All current miners and most recent ones already have controllers built into them, no need for a Pi or similar to run them with.


 The Avalon 4.1 was LESS efficient than the Antminer S5, which was LESS efficient than the Spondoolies SP20 could be set up for (though the SP20 at stock settings was both a little faster and a little less efficient thatn the S5). I'd tend to ignore it unless you can get one VERY cheap ($200 or less + shipping).



 New miners have been anounced both by Lketc/BW and by Avalon - I'd wait a month or two for them to actually show up with real avaiability and pricing before I made a decision.

 Innosilicon also announced they achieved tapeout some months back on new gen SHA256 (A3) and Scrypt (A4) chips, and they have a history of building miners around their own chips - I expect to see something out of them at some point too, probably late this year or very early 2016.


You will not get a Avalon 4.1 in this range. I get around 950 GHz for around 550 watts underclocked.  Take this times 3 I get around  I was able to get 2.7 T plus around 1650 watts.

I have all of the machines you mention I don't think you have played with the Avalon 4.1 with your anwser though.  Here is it actually being used - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1008726.0

Is S5 a little more efficicent yes.  But it runs hot and loud.  The 4.1 is a very quiet miner.   Where have you seen them for 200 dollars?
5170  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Want to start Mining in India with Solar Equipments on: October 21, 2015, 11:32:05 AM
If you can see it as an long term investment and if you can deal with it's opportunity costs (of not having that amount of money for something else right now or in the near future) it absolutely can. I reduced the overall energy costs in my specific case by 15-20%.

So if you are paying ~ $0.19 per KWh you can save in my case 3-4 cents per KWh -mining can be profitable again @ 0.16-0.15 cents / KWh.
With paying only $0.08  - that would save you 1.2 - 1.6 cents. Paying 0.068-0.064 instead of 0.08 is more or less negligible. That doubles also the time for a ROI.

See what I mean?

Also solar is a little more of a long term investment then mining.  If you compare timeframe it just add's up on solar as it is not cheap.

As far as bitcoin mining you are better off to find cheap electricity then pay a lot for solar equipment.  But if your willing to wait on ROI yes you can do solar, but I think you will be surprised of costs.
5171  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Oct 11 to Nov 11 Sidehack stick pool club. on: October 21, 2015, 01:17:14 AM
My idea would be stock fan cooled.

Twenty four hour run.

Most shares for the one stick.

Have to show a screen shot of hashing on hour zero and hour twenty four.

In theory cgminer would show run time really close to 24 hours.

Crypto glance would track shares


Lastly everyone could use suggested diff of 16

Most shares wins.

If cgminer crashes and does not show
24 hours disqualified.

a I need to think of a way to cheat what I just wrote.

B if we like this contest later on we could do a modified any cooling method for a second contest.

C if you can figure a way to cheat the contest let me know.


The biggest "cheat" i see is adding to it.  Say someone puts as it's compilation miner and adds even block erupter's gives them a slight edge over day it could add up.  Or more modern usb stick with a few GHz.

So there has to be a little trust.  I could be overlooking something but seems they could do this and cheat with extra hash from 2nd device.
5172  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BITMAIN AntRouter R1: 1st wireless networking device with bitcoin mining chip on: October 21, 2015, 01:09:45 AM
i bought sidehacks compac sticks for batch 2.
i will be working on porting cgminer-gekko but he said they should already work.
Should be possible to port mainline cgminer to it so that it can run all types of USB miners.

This item has a TON of potential on modding.  We are just starting to see the first ones.  It will be a interesting ride on the modding.

I predict we see a cgminer for others usb modules. We have seen ports on other bitmain miners where they update cgminer.  So there is already history of this happening, so should be very doable.  I think modding will be part of the fun with these R1's.    We kinda owe bitmain for not locking down any device, and we can void warranty on these things for not a huge risk.
5173  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Diff thread oct 15th to oct 29th picks are open!! With a bonus reward. on: October 21, 2015, 01:06:25 AM
1588BTC is around what like 150 Miners or so? When you account with shipping and PSU sales.

150X5=0.75Pth/s.

It will hardly affect the overall difficulty.

It's probably closer to 200 but yeah, even 1 PH/s is ~0.2% of total hashrate. So even if they managed to sell that much EVERY day and then deliver the miners at the same pace (clearly not happening with Batch 1) it's still only 2.8% per cycle.
and now with the pretesting I think they took a few hundred offline today.

Blocks dropped to 128 or so after yesterday doing 169.

So from the data I see bitmaintech takes a few hundred offline then puts a few hundred online rinse repeat.

Maybe we don't do five or six percent like we thought maybe we do more like three or even two percent

I think you are likely right.   I was thinking much bigger on data center on holding but it seems like it's been smaller then I thought.  I kept thinking huge wave coming but it seems like I might have been all wrong.

So it could be good news for us if this continues.  I wont wine if we are stuck with just a few each difficulty.   What will be interesting is once others start shipping to and two competing. But it's hard to tell when another maker will finally do a production run.
5174  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: October 21, 2015, 12:59:03 AM
I wonder how they distinguish between batch one,two,three?

In regards to shipping or in regards to testing each board for its quality?  Batch 1 & 3 are the same in specifications with different price and shipping dates.
I got a batch one clocked at 575.
Is there a label on it to specify?
If/when I sell how will the new owner know?

They won't..
Basically ANY Batch 1 will be considered a 4.66TH unit for future buyers. Anything else will be bonus.
So no point buying a batch 3

There is a point as they are now testing each hash board and slapping stickers on them.  So if you order batch 3 you should have a faster machine then batch 2.

At first they just shipped out so it was random on batch one fast or slower.  But now that they are testing hash board's it should make a big difference on quality control.
5175  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Cloud mining, can it still pay out? on: October 21, 2015, 12:41:00 AM
i really doubt that it might pay off after a few years though i dont think its worth doing it then as it wont give you decent profit

More than likely, whatever GH based on a value you get now will be worthless in a few years, because of raising difficulty, at least at hashnest, because its fee is based on the profitably of the unit its tied to ex; S5.

Otherwise you'd need a system where they devalue and overtime fee per GH is lowered.

No miner cloud or even hardware miner will make it years.  If someone say's lifetime or forever it works be weary as to good to be true.   

With any miner there are risk it's there with cloud or hardware.  You have a point where it's not profitable to run.   As hardware miner I sell it before it reaches this point.  It depends on the cloud mining site what happens at this point.   Also some have trading on cloud hashing where you can buy/sell.  So you could sell on some sites if you think this is happening soon and maybe get a tad more out of it and someone else takes over the risk of it being end of life of miner.
5176  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the safest way to store Bitcoins? on: October 21, 2015, 12:32:58 AM

USB sticks are prone to failure. Btw, it is alright to rename it to any format.

Use multiple ones, 1 usb costs about 3-4$ here. You can easily buy 10 of them and then put them in a faraday box to shield against EMP charges.

I dont know about renaming, certain formats have different encoding and it might fuck up the data. Like if you rename a .mp3 to .txt, and then back to .mp3 it wont work anymore.

On USB or Paper wallet, or any back up have more then 1.  If you just have one and it has something wrong... single point of failure so very bad.

Multiple backup's and you can also do saving on USB and paper wallet.  So you can combine multiple.  And just make sure to store in safe place,  preferably 2 safe places. As you don't want 1 point of failure.
5177  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Message To Beginners: Do not use Secret Question to reset account - It locks it on: October 21, 2015, 12:30:25 AM
I have a security question on my account and I didn't appear to have any problem changing/setting it recently.
Could this possibly be just for beginner's or did I get lucky and dodge a bullet?

Your account gets locked if you use the secret question to change the password on your account, not just changing your secret question through your profile. As long as your account isn't hacked/you forget your password, you shouldn't need to worry about this.

I think you got lucky it is designed to be locked at this point.  As shorena said the secret question anwsers were compromised in hack a while back.  So it's kinda a safty measure to make sure they can't steal your account.

But here is a biig tips for accounts:

Make sure to "stake" a bitcoin address you have access to prove you are owner if ever needed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0
5178  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: antminer s3 help part 2 on: October 20, 2015, 11:57:10 PM
well some thing i just did today got it working i did changer my ip but its all good now

Glad it worked out.  That wrong gateway IP was likely causing no mining.  It was different then computer.

But good it all worked out in the end.
5179  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Oct 11 to Nov 11 Sidehack stick pool club. on: October 20, 2015, 11:54:05 PM
philip we (or you its your show) should think about contest rules?

say only stock sticks but with aftermarket cooling. that way most anyone can participate?

Only thing is if we add restrictions on it we will get everyone pretty much getting the same max.  If someone goes out and mods stick and USB hub ... gets a huge speed I think that would be awesome.

The stick modding is beyond me but I'm guessing some in group can modify it to allow more voltage.
5180  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Fanilly had a 220 30 amp line out in best thing ever on: October 20, 2015, 11:51:23 PM
The Electrician just finished up and left after he installed a 30 slot box with 5 slots  still open, finally got my 220 30 amp line hocked up to the PDU with monitoring , it's awesome .
I had a 220 30 amp put in a while back but didn't feel safe with it, so it never got used, i was using a few 120 20 amp lines, because of the mess the main box was in, now I feel a lot safer .Smiley, will use it.
  

Nice the S5's run better Smiley.





cya

yeah i love my 200 amp box as well, cost me around $1500 though Sad

You got a 'deal' where I'm at Xcel (power company) reps and the Electrican and the State Inspector ...ALL have to be present PHYSICALLY at the same time after completion ...for the Power to be turned back on

Base price 200 amp service is 2500 bucks and it goes higher if it is more then 1 stick of conduit and elbow and panel ...goes up also by 'how complex' it is

Fun times. So I slip buy with my 100 amp 32 slot panel. (2 titans 2500w) I have no central AIR and use GAS for heat..so it has worked....although I've never been brave enough to turn the Elec Dryer and Stove on at the same time with the Miners on 24/7.

(squeaked by)





I have Execl too , but being the home owner i claimed i was doing all the work myself found an electrican on craigslist to do all the work for 1k with my supervision of course.  Paid $500 for parts and $300 for the inspection permit.

so yeah with the permit it was actually $1800 .  And i dont know why they told you that , on the pre-inspection the inspector was fine with us doing all the work over the weekend then comming to inspect it later during the week.

Guess I'm lucky I have 200 amps on main for house.  And 100 amps just for my mining area extra to that.   

Luckily I'm on a real life crop farm so they installed big power when building house which is nice at this point.  As the 300 amp was there long before mining.  So stupid luck.  I did not realize how expensive it's worth dang I'm happy to have it.
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