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521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can we just stop with the block size panic crap? on: January 04, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
I happen to use bitcoin for remittances and suspect more companies will follow suit when they learn about the savings! 

can you explain to some of the younger bitcoiners what platforms you use to do the fiat-btc-fiat that ends up being cheaper than WU, as that would help people to teach others of how they should be remitting, as oppose to using WU

If you use limit order on exchanges, you can even make some money when you do such conversion. This is especially true when you are a dealer on localbitcoins, you will gain 2-3% at least on both ends  Smiley 
522  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Blocksize needs to be increased now. on: January 04, 2016, 06:43:27 PM
have an exaggerated opinion that you can substitute bitcoin to altcoins that don't have this problem or already solved this problem, eventually bitcoin as a platform for consensus-building and testing scenarios of justified and I think , though, that bitcoin has run its course and at this stage it is necessary to concentrate on the more advanced features in this area, but also active implementation at all levels

After those who complain about the high fee left, the bitcoin network will be as good as before, so eventually all the poor people leave for alt-coins and rich people stay at bitcoin, which coin will be more valuable?  Wink
523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why you mostly like bitcoin compare to other digital currency? on: January 04, 2016, 06:34:50 PM
i heard many Cryptocurrency but why people mostly use bitcoin?


If you accept bitcoin then you have only 21 million bitcoin, then if you add litecoin too then you have another 84 million LTC, then if you accept another cryptocurrency then you have another xxx million of coins. All these extra coins are inflation in cryptocurrency world, and since you don't want inflation, you will only focus on one most popular coin with limited total supply, that's bitcoin

I also tried mining Litecoin, got scammed by pools, so the other cryptocurrencies are highly risky and immature

you should have mined on multipool, not unknown random pool, what was the pool that scammed you btw?

you example however it's a bit flawed, since other coins are not worth what bitcoin is worth, and therefore 84M litecoin ar enot equal to "84M new bitcoin" but only on a fraction of that 1/100 in this case, or near that

other coins have even lower value, so it's not like adding all those coins at the end...

The effect of inflation is added money supply, e.g. same amount of capital investment must go to different coins, thus each coin ends up worth less. And just because of this, people would not throw their investment on multiple coins
524  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bitcoin "unlimited" seeks review on: January 04, 2016, 06:01:40 PM
The limit I see with BU's market driven block size is that it supposes that every market participant is so poor that they have to be a rational economist. In fact the richer you are, the less you care about efficiency and profit, and you start to care about those higher level concerns

For example, the BU suggests that miners are willing to take a larger block when the fee is enough high to compensate for the orphaning risk. As a result, we would have many orphaned large blocks chasing for 50+ btc fee in each block. And transactions will often take longer time to confirm even if you paid lots of fee. This is the result of trying to squeeze every juice from the blockspace resource, an environmental hazzard

In comparison, if we have super fast block propagation and extremely low orphan rate, the network is much more healthy, and the value for this can not be measured by market, it is an environmental bonus on every user of the entire ecosystem
525  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Segregated witness - The solution to Scalability (short term)? on: January 04, 2016, 05:26:48 PM
I am getting specific with getting clarification on the development model because the details matter , especially when there is a high possibility that the "clients" don't have enough information to make an informed decision on what they really want and may be asking for features that are either impossible to deliver or ones they may regret getting.

Isn't this kind of babysitting habit created such conflict in core devs? Why don't first make some poll to see what majority of the customers really want from bitcoin, and if they can not have everything, what is their priority

Miners only care about the block subsidy and low orphan rate
Investors even care less about payment function since they hold large sum for long term and use exchange to liquidate
Exchanges and payment processors are the one require large transaction capacity





526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why you mostly like bitcoin compare to other digital currency? on: January 04, 2016, 01:39:12 AM
i heard many Cryptocurrency but why people mostly use bitcoin?


If you accept bitcoin then you have only 21 million bitcoin, then if you add litecoin too then you have another 84 million LTC, then if you accept another cryptocurrency then you have another xxx million of coins. All these extra coins are inflation in cryptocurrency world, and since you don't want inflation, you will only focus on one most popular coin with limited total supply, that's bitcoin

I also tried mining Litecoin, got scammed by pools, so the other cryptocurrencies are highly risky and immature
527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can we just stop with the block size panic crap? on: January 04, 2016, 01:22:51 AM

the deflationary nature is about the rarity...

imagine oyster shells.. but only 50 are grown every 10 minutes, then after 4 years 25, and so on. and it was calculated that there would be just 21 oyster shells in the world..

you would see its rarity.. but as you travel from town to town seeing new people. they would look at you and wonder why you are carrying oyster shells with you. they wont sell you a loaf of bread because they only accept IOU parchments signed by the local king, who holds a cetain amount of gold loot that represents the total value of the parchments he signed.
no way in hell would people think a seashell is valuable..

the reason i say that is.. no matter how much you understand or value it.. if other people cannot buy bread with it. or they know trying to find another new person in a distant land is reluctant to accept it for long distance remittance.. then it has limited usage, and those holding it will find less and less things to use it on.. eventually becoming paperweights

we need to expand usefulness.. not limit usefulness.. just because you can buy bread with fiat doesnt mean bitcoin shouldnt bother trying to get walmart/7eleven to accept bitcoin aswell..(although right now timing aint right for that)

These are interesting statements, now replace your oyster shells to cyberspace cubes. These cyberspace cubes are value containers, they can contain enormous amount of value, and the value inside those cubes keeps growing every year. When you want to spend, you only need to locate your nearest local dealer to exchange value streams in those cubes to your local currency. Feel the difference?   Grin





528  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Segregated witness - The solution to Scalability (short term)? on: January 04, 2016, 12:50:27 AM
I am unfamiliar with that R+D framework. Could you clarify or link to what formal process you are referring to? Thank You.

Each company have their own process, in the project I participated (100 to 1000+ developers) this is a common practice

Of course bitcoin is decentralized network without a centralized decision making model. But just because it is decentralized, it is more important to have a per-agreed process in change management. You can code whatever you want, people just ignore. From the amount of discussion I see on reddit and forum, the reaction for SW is even less than XT

You are referring to an extremely non-standard development process. Does your organization or company have internal documents that give specifications as to what process you have as a development framework such as waterfall model, v model, incremental model, RAD model Agile model, iterative model or spiral model to name a few of the more popular ones? I am frankly surprised that is the development process as it could lead to some large problems IMHO, and would like to educate myself more in your development model to see if I am missing something.

I apologize if I am coming off a bit anal retentive , but the specifics you are referring to are of great importance in development and I want to be sure I am not mis-characterizing what you are suggesting.

You are dig into details here, we only talk about those model names at design level. At decision making level what matters is feedback from your customer. If you can't keep them happy, they go to another supplier and you are done

I have roughly analyzed the political power map HERE, it is the miners, exchanges and investors the biggest customer for bitcoin, and they hold veto power to a solution, similar to a large customer can write you off from their supplier list. So we should listen to their feedback before writing any design specification







529  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bitcoin "unlimited" seeks review on: January 03, 2016, 05:42:36 AM
Just wonder, if every week there are 100 new solutions, who has the time to review? Shouldn't the new solution based on current major user feedback instead of wishful thinking? Need a spam filter for new solutions  Grin
530  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Segregated witness - The solution to Scalability (short term)? on: January 02, 2016, 06:26:12 PM
I am unfamiliar with that R+D framework. Could you clarify or link to what formal process you are referring to? Thank You.

Each company have their own process, in the project I participated (100 to 1000+ developers) this is a common practice

Of course bitcoin is decentralized network without a centralized decision making model. But just because it is decentralized, it is more important to have a per-agreed process in change management. You can code whatever you want, people just ignore. From the amount of discussion I see on reddit and forum, the reaction for SW is even less than XT
531  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is there any chance the fee will rise to replace block subsidy? on: January 02, 2016, 06:01:23 PM
Of course. I think the fee will rise straight after the halving, but after bitcoin doubles in price, then the fees will return to their current standard.

So many people think bitcoin is magically going to double in price because of the halving. If this were true, why is every investor in the world not all-in on it?

Any investment involves risk, there are so many technical and political uncertainty in bitcoin. But I think by now most of the agile investors already hold bitcoin

Theoretically, bitcoin is destined to double in value every 4 years due to lower and lower new coin supply each year. And if you consider the fact that fiat money just get more and more, and user base is going to grow, this performance is guaranteed

If the value doubles every 4 years, and block subsidy cut by half every 4 years, the fiat income for miners will not change. However, due to newer and newer mining technology, the difficulty raise caused by mining competition will dwarf the effect of reward halving (reward having have the same effect as difficulty doubling, which can happen in a couple of months when a new generation of chips come on line). And we all know that difficulty increase does not impact the fee, but raise the coin value

532  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Segregated witness - The solution to Scalability (short term)? on: January 02, 2016, 05:52:45 PM
My concern is the apparent contradiction.
- I am told that a maxblocksize increase requires a hard fork.

This is not completely true as all hardforks can be implemented as softforks in a very convoluted method as discussed here:

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/012153.html

One suggested term for this process is called a "Firm Fork" or the "nuclear softfork option"

This is an old idea and technically one that can be done right now if miners wanted to push it through.
This fact is a bit scary and shows you how much power miners have and how we need to decentralize hashing power.



Exactly the reason I'm against using soft fork to sneak in changes, such kind of practice is hacking the network, not the formal R&D process of  "user feedback -> design specification -> implementation"
533  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Smart Contract Status on: January 02, 2016, 05:36:10 PM
The problem with smart contract is that you can not enforce it if there is a default, these kind of contract have no legal status, thus only suitable for internal use only

The blockchain only transfer ownership of a string of data, the value of these data can be given by market (In bitcoin's case it is exchanges). But a smart contract's value is decided by the value of its underlying property, not market. Because you must be able to enforce a take over of property in case of default, it requires smart contract have legal status. Currently it does not have legal status, thus it worth nothing
534  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin replaces the money? Could happen? on: January 02, 2016, 05:16:39 PM
Fiat money was born with a permanent weakness that it can not be used to store value long term wise. Bitcoin is exactly the opposite, so they tends to compensate each other in different function area: Fiat money for spending and bitcoin for saving
535  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house? on: January 02, 2016, 05:13:21 PM
If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house?

Ive been thinking if it went into very high figures i could cash out 80-90% of bitcoin and buy a house outright with no mortgage.  Is that even a good idea though? - basically 80% of networth in a house hmmm.  On the other hand i dont want to have a mortgage and im fed up with renting due to landlords, letting agents and lack of control.

I would still take the normal measure to buy a house, e.g. taking a fiat loan to buy house and pay interest by selling 5-10% bitcoins once or twice a year to pay those interests and mortgages. Since bitcoin appreciate at least 10% per year, so you end up with a house and roughly same value of bitcoins 10 years later
536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can we just stop with the block size panic crap? on: January 02, 2016, 04:55:02 PM
i think there can be a fair balance of bitcoin and fiat. without one or the other fighting.. but thats just me

Currently bitcoin perfectly cover the biggest shortcoming of fiat money that it can not be used as a long term saving medium, due to all the inflative monetary policy from central banks

The inflative monetary policy will never change because that's how central banks drive the economy. If they stopped printing money then the whole economy will drop into recession

I think bitcoin should focus on those things that fiat money CAN NOT do, not those things fiat money already do
537  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can we just stop with the block size panic crap? on: January 02, 2016, 04:41:11 PM

lets say each person made 1 remittance a week
knowing that there are 144 blocks a day and a potential of 4000tx a block (with luck)
4000x144x7= 4 million users making 1 transaction a week.

which is not adequate for the 192million migrant workers (quoted by world bank), thats just over 2%


I guess most of them do not have enough skill to "go to exchanges -> purchase some bitcoin -> send them to another exchange in another country -> sell them for local currency". I have tried to teach one friend to transfer the fund from another country (she is a 37 years old professor) when she visited me, she said there is so much hassle and she will never do it again, she does not care about the expensive bank fee, she just want fast and easy process of use her credit card

So even bitcoin were used in remittance, it will be some large companies utilizing bitcoin and the end user would only notice the speed and fee advantage. However, if it is operated by large companies, then they are operating more or less like Western Union, have frequent clearing and settlement and do not need blockchai

See Abra & Align Commerce

I've been registered at Abra for a long time but it seems there is no progress
538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can we just stop with the block size panic crap? on: January 02, 2016, 04:15:28 PM

lets say each person made 1 remittance a week
knowing that there are 144 blocks a day and a potential of 4000tx a block (with luck)
4000x144x7= 4 million users making 1 transaction a week.

which is not adequate for the 192million migrant workers (quoted by world bank), thats just over 2%


I guess most of them do not have enough skill to "go to exchanges -> purchase some bitcoin -> send them to another exchange in another country -> sell them for local currency". I have tried to teach one friend to transfer the fund from another country (she is a 37 years old professor) when she visited me, she said there is so much hassle and she will never do it again, she does not care about the expensive bank fee, she just want fast and easy process of use her credit card

So even bitcoin were used in remittance, it will be some large companies utilizing bitcoin and the end user would only notice the speed and fee advantage. However, if it is operated by large companies, then they are operating more or less like Western Union, have frequent clearing and settlement and do not need blockchain for more than one transaction per hour

I think the reason that some people spend their bitcoins is because they are monetarily illiterate, sooner or later they will realize that spending deflative bitcoin is much worse than spending inflative fiat money, so the end result will be that they would still spend fiat money, unless there is a total crash of fiat money

And politically it is also decent that bitcoin do not clash with fiat money at payment space. Being a value storage is much better than trying to replace the fiat money, which will cause nation wide or world wide sanction from established power. Anyway, it is very easy to limit bitcoin at ISP level, especially when a block become so huge



539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can we just stop with the block size panic crap? on: January 02, 2016, 08:17:42 AM
It is becoming apparent that there are paid shills participating in every topic to do with the block size debate.

Apparently Mike Hearn simply cannot let a "dead horse" die. Sad

I do not work for any company (other than my own) and am not sponsored to make any statement but I will make this statement.

Bitcoin is not suitable for "coffees" and why should it be (as practically no-one in the world is paid in Bitcoin)?

What Bitcoin is very suitable for is "remittance' (sending money overseas) yet so far it has virtually no market share in that sphere (which it should dominate).

Can we start focusing on remittance rather than coffees?


Totally agree, and another very useful function is saving, since fiat money is already useless for long term saving

There are hundreds of fast and cheap payment method in today's financial world, adding one more bitcoin does not make any difference for coffee purchase (even worse since you have to convert to bitcoin first). But there is not even one single fiat money that is not inflationary, so saving is the most obvious reason people come to bitcoin

I think most of the bitcoiners are driven by such a thought: "I get some bitcoin now and after some years I start to spend it. By that time, fiat money has already inflated so much that my bitcoin value will rise at least several times"

And when the time has come for spending, they realized that they better spend fiat money since those are inflative and widely accepted domestically, so they only sell a little bit bitcoin on exchanges to get fiat money to spend

Being able to directly do person to person transaction on blockchain is cool, but it is just cool, no any real usage strongly demand such kind of functionality, since people will always spend fiat money first, so their interface at both end would still be exchanges. Even when you do international remittance, you have to convert from/to fiat money at both end

Imagine an extreme case: During 2016 bitcoin value rise another 10 times, all the blocks are full at 2MB. Average people can not do transactions due to the fee is now $10 per transaction (So that only $1000+ transactions are reasonably cheap). Would people leave bitcoin? Definitely not, they will do exactly like today's pooled mining, rely on large institutions to do transaction for them cheap and fast
540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) on: January 01, 2016, 05:58:07 PM
XT is a temporary solution, at best. Everyone understands that. Segregated witness is a better solution in the short run, and in the long run we'll have something else (lightning network?)
So XT does not make much sense, don't think they'll be able to pull it through

XT makes a great deal of sense...if the goal is to ensure that ultimately the last vestiges of infrastructure distribution among the masses are eliminated.

Hearn said semi-famously that 'there is no difference between confiscating someone BTC and keeping them from spending it for 20 years.'  The numbers were just to be an illustration of a principle.  The reason for he '20 years' rather than 'forever' is that some segment of the infrastructure might still be independent of a central blacklisting authority.  Even now it is theoretically possible for a CPU miner to beat the datacenters full of ASIC in finding a block...it would just be really lucky and an exceedingly rare occurrence.


Similar to people not complaining when banks are closed during weekends, they will always find a way when bitcoin's blockchain transaction capacity is not enough, but they won't give up on bitcoin, just like they won't give up on gold even it has terrible transaction capability
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