Discord Server will be up from 3 Jan 2020. Discord bounty is included in the bounty thread.
17 More days left for the Airdrop
so how about you create a website dedicated for WAAH token first before the discord? Agree with you , website it could be a great steps otherwise i am not optimistic about this project to be honest with you! The website will be up from third week of February. Discord will open from 3 Jan 2020. Stay with WAAH and watch all the happenings. My next post will have a minimal hint to one of the way "Free WAAH" from "Nothing" to "one dollar". Wish you all a "WAAH" Happy New Year. 2020 is the year for WAAH.Well , wish for all of you happy new year too, let's see what will happens with this project! i did buy some waah long time ago but don't have any hope at the moment! |
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Discord Server will be up from 3 Jan 2020. Discord bounty is included in the bounty thread.
17 More days left for the Airdrop
so how about you create a website dedicated for WAAH token first before the discord? Agree with you , website it could be a great steps otherwise i am not optimistic about this project to be honest with you! |
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Visto che è tempo di bilanci è sempre utile andare a rivedere come tutto è iniziato: https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/threads/1/Gli interventi di Satoshi sono tutti firmati, quelli degli altri iniziano con il carattere ">": I've been working on a new electronic cash system that's fully peer-to-peer, with no trusted third party. The paper is available at: http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdfSatoshi Nakamoto >You will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography. Yes, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own. Satoshi >I think the real issue with this system is the market >for bitcoins. >Computing proofs-of-work have no intrinsic value. We >can have a limited supply curve (although the "currency" >is inflationary at about 35% as that's how much faster >computers get annually) but there is no demand curve >that intersects it at a positive price point. >I know the same (lack of intrinsic value) can be said of >fiat currencies, but an artificial demand for fiat >currencies is created by (among other things) taxation >and legal-tender laws. Also, even a fiat currency can >be an inflation hedge against another fiat currency's >higher rate of inflation. But in the case of bitcoins >the inflation rate of 35% is almost guaranteed by the >technology, there are no supporting mechanisms for >taxation, and no legal-tender laws. People will not >hold assets in this highly-inflationary currency if >they can help it. Increasing hardware speed is handled: "To compensate for increasing hardware speed and varying interest in running nodes over time, the proof-of-work difficulty is determined by a moving average targeting an average number of blocks per hour. If they're generated too fast, the difficulty increases." As computers get faster and the total computing power applied to creating bitcoins increases, the difficulty increases proportionally to keep the total new production constant. Thus, it is known in advance how many new bitcoins will be created every year in the future. The fact that new coins are produced means the money supply increases by a planned amount, but this does not necessarily result in inflation. If the supply of money increases at the same rate that the number of people using it increases, prices remain stable. If it does not increase as fast as demand, there will be deflation and early holders of money will see its value increase. Coins have to get initially distributed somehow, and a constant rate seems like the best formula. Satoshi Nakamoto > Sorry about all the questions, but as I said this does seem to be a > very promising and original idea, and I am looking forward to seeing > how the concept is further developed. It would be helpful to see a more > process oriented description of the idea, with concrete details of the > data structures for the various objects (coins, blocks, transactions), > the data which is included in messages, and algorithmic descriptions > of the procedures for handling the various events which would occur in > this system. You mentioned that you are working on an implementation, > but I think a more formal, text description of the system would be a > helpful next step. I appreciate your questions. I actually did this kind of backwards. I had to write all the code before I could convince myself that I could solve every problem, then I wrote the paper. I think I will be able to release the code sooner than I could write a detailed spec. You're already right about most of your assumptions where you filled in the blanks. Satoshi Nakamoto >This does not work - your proposal involves complications I do not think you have thought through. >Furthermore, it cannot be made to work, as in the proposed system the work of tracking who owns what coins is paid for by seigniorage, which >requires inflation. >This is not an intolerable flaw - predictable inflationis less objectionable than inflation that gets jiggered around from time to time to transfer >wealth from one voting block to another. If you're having trouble with the inflation issue, it's easy to tweak it for transaction fees instead. It's as simple as this: let the output value from any transaction be 1 cent less than the input value. Either the client software automatically writes transactions for 1 cent more than the intended payment value, or it could come out of the payee's side. The incentive value when a node finds a proof-of-work for a block could be the total of the fees in the block. Satoshi Nakamoto Tra le altre cose, come mi è stato fatto notare in quest'altro thread, Satoshi prima scrisse un programma funzionante, poi il famoso paper. E molte regole/idee gli sono venute anche dopo il paper. Si tratta di un approccio estremamente pragmatico. La cosa è particolarmente interessante, perchè fa notare un aspetto fondamentale di bitcoin: non ci sono (contrariamente a quanto si possa pensare) delle regole scritte e condivise su qualche documento alle quali attenersi, tutte le regole sono direttamente implementate nel programma. E 'il' programma è in realtà un insieme di versioni diverse che cambiano nel tempo. Man mano che si 'evolvono' le versioni di Bitcoin Core (o anche di altri client) evolvono anche le regole, in modo più o meno esplicito. Questa 'evoluzione', che ha sollevato tanti dubbi sul concetto di 'consenso' e di regole condivise e immutabili (suggerisco ad esempio la lettura di questo articolo: https://blog.conformal.com/the-bitcoin-consensus-red-herring/) in realtà è un punto di forza di bitcoin. Bitcoin infatti in un certo senso assomiglia a una specie vivente, con un dna che si modifica autonomamente (non c'è scritto da nessuna parte come deve funzionare un essere vivente) nel tempo per meglio adattarsi alle circostanze che mutano nel tempo. Ha un nucleo forte di regole che probabilmente resisteranno molto a lungo, mentre altre devono essere fragili e modificabili per poter garantire la sopravvivenza delle prime e il miglioramento del sistema in generale. Pur riconoscendo a Satoshi la genialità della sua invenzione, l'aspetto forse più geniale non sta tanto nell'aver previsto tutto a tavolino (cosa che non è avvenuta), ma nell'aver avviato un sistema in grado di modificarsi e adattarsi migliorando con il passare del tempo e con gli apporti di tutti (basta vedere l'immagine del post precedente al mio) Bitcoin ha cioè la proprietà di essere "antifragile", è un sistema che tende a migliorare anche sotto attacco perchè continua ad assorbire nuove informazioni e non si basa affatto sulla preveggenza/onniscienza del suo ideatore. Ama la volatilità e l'incertezza, non nel senso del prezzo, ma perchè sembra trarre forza dagli imprevisti che possono capitare (dai vari "cigni neri" tipo recessioni economiche, ...). E' robusto e resiliente. Per il concetto di "antifragile" introdotto da Taleb un riferimento è questo: https://st.ilsole24ore.com/art/cultura/2012-11-19/antifragile-evitare-eccessive-precauzioni-121759.shtml?uuid=Ab2rxQ4G&refresh_ce=1Bello vedere i suoi post!  |
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Ciao ragazzi, auguroni a tutti (anche se in ritardo  ) Voglio fare una considerazione/critica… molti di noi cripto-informati quando parlano della finanza tradizionale lo fanno sempre con astio, quasi come fosse essa ( la finanza) la matrice originaria dello sconquasso socio-economico odierno ! Devo rammentare che la “finanza” non si pone il problema sullo strumento in se per speculare , semplicemente si preoccupa di placare la sete di avidità propria dell’uomo!!! Alla fine dei giochi non importa se si fa soldi con obbligazioni , cds , speculazione valutaria , commodities o valute virtuali .. è importante solo FARE SOLDI (inteso come incrementare il proprio potere d’acquisto nel tempo) A complicare la faccenda ci sono dei nostri simili che non sono ne intellettualmente ne in senso generale onesti! Ci raccontano che l’economia reale viene contagiata dalla economia finanziaria .. ma vi siete mai chiesti come mai? Cui prodest? Lascio una coordianta storica .. 12/11/1999 abolizione del Glass-Steagall Act e consequenziale nascita delle “banche universali” E’ stata l’apoteosi dell’ laissez- faire.. che tanto fa gola a molti cripto-entusiasti che vedono nella deregolamentazione la cura a questo malanno socio-economico odierno Io, da studioso e appasionato di economia (nonchè ex randiano convinto*) credo che le valute virtuali potrebbero davvero portarci ad un cambiamento sociale epocale … sarebbero lo strumento perfetto per il minarchismo (occhio leggete qui se non sapete cosa sia https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchismo) ma ho concretamente paura che alla fine le nostre valute virtuali saranno solo degli strumenti come altri che placheranno la nostra avidità senza far cambiare di una virgola la società. *LEGGETE AYN RAND Infatti io non ci vedo nessun cambiamento positivo nel lungo termine, le criprovalute non cambieranno la società ,saranno manipolate come ogni altro strumento finanziario! Quei pochi che hanno avuto la fortuna di mettere da parte qualche milioncino di euro/dollari grazie alla blockchain sono stati baciati dalla fortuna. |
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it is not a very friendly platform for selling your stake, anyone is using topkie? what do you think guys? thanks for any comment-
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Hope good development will start soon otherwise airdrop wthout it, means nothing to holders or buyers!
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Utilizzo yobit da diversi anni e qualche giorno fa mi sono registrato a questo airdrop. Non mi è chiaro però come posso collegare l'account sull'exchange bot di telegram con l'account yobit sul sito. Vedo i 700 Yoda sul bot Telegram ma non so come collegarli al mio account.... Qualcuno ha qualche suggerimento? Grazie Stai dicendo che danno un regalo ma non hanno l'indirizzo a cui spedirlo oppure l'account usato nel loro Exchange? Deve esserci l'inghippo da qualche parte: forse hopenotlate riuscirà ad illuminarci. No. Praticamente i 700 yodollars li inviano sul saldo del loro bot telegram di trading (è un bot che consente di tradare crypto via telegram). Non ne conoscevo l'esistenza prima, l'ho scoperto con questo airdrop. Mi chiedevo come fare per collegare il saldo del bot telegram con il saldo dell'account yobit, sempre che ci sia un modo e che non siano due cosa volutamente separate. esiste anche per instagram |
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Honestly if I have to say my personal opinion I have many doubts about this project.
Hai qualche informazione a supporto della tua affermazione, Davide? Io non ho più saputo nulla a riguardo di questo progetto, ma magari tu ne sai qualcosa. Siamo sulla stessa barca Mario, non riesco a trovare molte info. |
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Minereum v1 have a much lower supply compared to minereum v2.... That's because with v2 there will be hundreds of thousands of genesis addresses. So, I don't think that mne v2 will arrive even near to the value that mne v1 had.
It's the law of supply and demand.
Mne v1 had about 4000 genesis addresses... If mne v2 will have 100000 for example , it means that to reach the same value of mne v1 it needs to have a demand 25 times higher ( x25 ! ) I don't think this is possible to happen.
We still don't know how many genesis addresses there will be... Could be 100000, 1000000, 10000000, we don't know. Collected address are already over 50000 as far as I know.
I fear these will become a big waste of time.
Personally i think supply is not important , what make me fear about mne v2 is the development! If we will have similar development like mne v1 than is just speculation project to make few people huge profit. |
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It's past the 5 days voted for in the poll, when will you stop collecting addresses, dev?
We will keep it running at least until January 1st, we are not sure yet when it will end. Back in 2017 we only did a 24 hour claim period, this was unfair for many people and we don’t want it to be like that this time. Longer period means more addresses but also it means more people joining the minereum ecosystem, we believe that will bring a positive effect in the long run. won't it be very long? because we know all the addresses listed there may not be more than 100 owners. this is very rare So what was the community vote for? maybe if the 60k genesis address will be good, because the total number of tokens generated will be 10k in a day if everything is activated, and the fewer tokens that are activated will increasingly affect the price of MNE v2 on the market. However always evaluate everything, the project the team, never throw your money into something where you have many doubts that you will lose them. Personally there are many things about this project that are not very clear to me. Today, unfortunately, as often happens, many people use their skills for personal profits. Of course! I just want to see MNE v2 like v1 at that time where v1 was very successful and was able to occupy the range of 15 $ at the highest price as I saw in history coingecko. and this proves the team is very brave for a new discovery and breakthrough being carried now. Well, if price drop from 15 dollars to 20 satoshy you have to think about it, it was just speculation , many people lost lot money on this game! Good project should be develop all the time and should have good community support! Personally i would be very carefull, let's see what dev develop will bring to this new project first! |
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It's past the 5 days voted for in the poll, when will you stop collecting addresses, dev?
We will keep it running at least until January 1st, we are not sure yet when it will end. Back in 2017 we only did a 24 hour claim period, this was unfair for many people and we don’t want it to be like that this time. Longer period means more addresses but also it means more people joining the minereum ecosystem, we believe that will bring a positive effect in the long run. won't it be very long? because we know all the addresses listed there may not be more than 100 owners. this is very rare So what was the community vote for? maybe if the 60k genesis address will be good, because the total number of tokens generated will be 10k in a day if everything is activated, and the fewer tokens that are activated will increasingly affect the price of MNE v2 on the market. However always evaluate everything, the project the team, never throw your money into something where you have many doubts that you will lose them. Personally there are many things about this project that are not very clear to me. Today, unfortunately, as often happens, many people use their skills for personal profits. |
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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT  YOURCHAIN URHOC Holders: I am still debating and attempting to determine the best way to proceed with YourChain. I wanted to create something unique and novel, not just another cryptocurrency. I thought Cyber Guaranty and Cyber Bills would be a way to do so. Obviously, that is not going to happen now. I am going to think about YourChain for a while and try to come up with something that will be in compliance with US law. Note: All the URHOC tokens were given away for free and NO MONEY was raised with YOURChain. I have no interest in raising money with YourChain, and nobody should expect any profits from it. Think of it as an experiment. Maybe together we can create a cryptocurrency or something that allows for "equal opportunity". Yes, please continue this project, correct you give free urhoc to eveyone but i a'm buying ftom the market, so i lose money on urhoc. Unfortunately not only you, there are other people who bought in the exchange. The dev wrote two years on this thread just shitty post and created two shit websites in almost 3 years and the last thread on bitcointalk is asking for money! These kinds of people are ridiculous |
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This is crazy  more than 23000 addresses so far.  More people join more eth for dev, many people join with many address! Look like an ICO made in a different format! The questions is who will be willing to pay fees and activated genesis address for the project? No doubt it is a nice initiative, at least we see some great movements, but yea, I don't think nobody can really answer your question. We have a roadmap but we know sometimes things don't go as planned. There is always a certain amount of risk but perso I rather see a coin with high fees but viable than a coin with no fees and dead after few months. I think is the develop and whales that make a project good, look like nano project, it was free and whales and develop make the rest! |
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This is crazy more than 23000 addresses so far. More people join more eth for dev, many people join with many address! Look like an ICO made in a different format! The questions is who will be willing to pay fees and activated genesis address for the project? I think is not only that because the more addresses that there are existing the more genesis addresses sales we can have and that should benefit all the minerium owners that participate in the special program stake holders, i think devs are playing it very wise but we have to wait to see how it all will work because if no addresses to sell then no eth volume and then no profit for the stake holders it all fall apart you still have to pay fees to activated your genesis address, if you don't pay to dev you don't get anything...well, i am not 100% sure it will work specially what we have seen with mne 1 and people are very scare to pay due to many project that turn to scam after collecting money! We are thinking about introducing a measure for users who don’t want to send the eth fee to allow other users to send it for you, but this only if the owner of the address allows it. In this case the Genesis Address would be automatically transferred to the new user who sends the fee. For example: Assuming the fee is 0.05 ETH for activations, you could set your address “allow others to activate” this would set a fixed fee of twice the current fee (0.10 ETH for this example) and you as the owner would get 0.05 ETH. At the same time the address is transferred to the new owner. Sound good dev , i am sure you are a good developer and make interested people on this project! |
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This is crazy more than 23000 addresses so far. More people join more eth for dev, many people join with many address! Look like an ICO made in a different format! The questions is who will be willing to pay fees and activated genesis address for the project? I think is not only that because the more addresses that there are existing the more genesis addresses sales we can have and that should benefit all the minerium owners that participate in the special program stake holders, i think devs are playing it very wise but we have to wait to see how it all will work because if no addresses to sell then no eth volume and then no profit for the stake holders it all fall apart you still have to pay fees to activated your genesis address, if you don't pay to dev you don't get anything...well, i am not 100% sure it will work specially what we have seen with mne 1 and people are very scare to pay due to many project that turn to scam after collecting money! do you want all to receive all 23000 addresses and all coins to enter in circulation? i think that is much worse, as long as the fee is low value i think is good idea otherwise all will dump their coins well let's see what will happens! |
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This is crazy more than 23000 addresses so far. More people join more eth for dev, many people join with many address! Look like an ICO made in a different format! The questions is who will be willing to pay fees and activated genesis address for the project? I think is not only that because the more addresses that there are existing the more genesis addresses sales we can have and that should benefit all the minerium owners that participate in the special program stake holders, i think devs are playing it very wise but we have to wait to see how it all will work because if no addresses to sell then no eth volume and then no profit for the stake holders it all fall apart you still have to pay fees to activated your genesis address, if you don't pay to dev you don't get anything...well, i am not 100% sure it will work specially what we have seen with mne 1 and people are very scare to pay due to many project that turn to scam after collecting money! |
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This is crazy more than 23000 addresses so far. More people join more eth for dev, many people join with many address! Look like an ICO made in a different format! The questions is who will be willing to pay fees and activated genesis address for the project? |
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Hello dev are you in touch with some other exchanges to make it list there? I bought some tokens almost a year so what the future of these tokens? How to move them to new version because I don't own Genesis address.
We will work with exchanges to transition from mne 1.0 to mne V2, however the safest for the transition is for you to have your coins in an ethereum address you control. can we move ours mne 1.0 to anorther eth address we have full control? how can we claim the mne v1? |
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The enormous number of mne v2 genesis addresses that is forming means that mne v2 will have a very large maximum supply... very larger than mne v1. mne v1 is now quoted less than 100 satoshi... in this situation what will be the target price for mne v2 ?? 10 satoshi ?? This looks like a waste of time.
We can see already thousands of future mne v2 genesis addresses. What's the target? A million of genesis addresses? Than a mne v2 genesis address will be worth like an mne v1 token... 100 satoshi.
Really can't understand this.
Well to me is not important how large it will be the genesis address but how dev planning to develop someting usefull for the project itself, if mne v2 will be like mne v1 with dev absent for almost two years than it woudl cost nothing. |
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