@fatman. It makes no sense to talk about it anyway. I said it took me months to know what i know. I read in Every Direction. This is fucked. And i can assure You that giving the kiev leaders weapons will not soften that Problem.
Why are they the ukrainian leaders? Half of the country was not even allowed to vote
Well, those months were obviously a waste. Most of us who are interested in international politics have been keeping an eye on these things for decades, and being critical of your sources is alpha and omega in the internet era. But go ahead, be a Kreml stooge. I am struggling to care. well this is one of the reasons why i usually don't talk about this topic in public boards anymore...all you did was discrediting me...for what reason? because i have a different opinion? differnet sources? you didn't even try to answer to what i said whatever...think what you want to think...i am out of that topic You are presenting unsubstantiated lies as fact. What am I supposed to do? Nod and smile? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywfzniko4vQas i said...it was about the quote...i didnt even care about the picture "We all remember the soviet advance into Ukraine and into Germany very well. This has to be prevented and nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the second world war." (c) Jazenjuk...this was also only one point...this happened at an interview with the ARD (the main public german tv channel...i dont know if you have anything similar in the usa)...my point was that things like these happened a lot in the last months but there is no public discussion about it...the same with odessa where they trapped people in a building and set it on fire...whoever came out got shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q how do you reply to this...is this a made up lie for you? I wasn't there. But as far as I can gather Russia attacked Ukraine, people got angry, shit happened. If you think you have figured it all out from that video then good for you. I do know that people were a bit on edge in that region because there were rumors that Russia would try to send provocateurs to Transnistria through there. I don't know why Russia would do that (Transnistria is very pro-russian as it is), but that was the rumor. |
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98c_1420756264i know...i did not put a lot of effort into finding an english source...jazenjuk is not somebody...they may not be the majority but they are "also" in power....then there was also the odessa incident...the miliz is basically a neo nazi group...and so on... Thinking that the soviet union were bigger a-holes than the germans doesn't make you a nazi. A bit stupid or naive, but not nazi. His party isn't nazi either, but Ukraine is under attack by Russia, so you might find some comments emanating from Ukraine that are quite hostile to Russia. Yes it does, you just can't compare defense of your country in WWII, which Soviet Union did, with Nazi aggression. A bit milder stance of putting an equality sign between them doesn't make you a Nazi, but only a Nazi sympathizer. Ukrainian leadership is composed of Nazi sympathizers (who think they are equal) and pure Nazis (who think Soviets are worse), and many of them openly raise their arms in Hitler salute in public, as you can see in the picture on the link above. I thought being a Nazi was somehow related to believing in, and/or promoting a racist fascist ideology? How could I be so wrong? Oh well... What a coincidence he raised his arm that way! Notice these: Those are white supremacy insignia carried by the most of Prime minister's supporters: Yes, what a coincidence that he raised his arm like every other politician on the face of the planet, except for John McCain (but he has issues with his neck or something). |
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@fatman. It makes no sense to talk about it anyway. I said it took me months to know what i know. I read in Every Direction. This is fucked. And i can assure You that giving the kiev leaders weapons will not soften that Problem.
Why are they the ukrainian leaders? Half of the country was not even allowed to vote
Well, those months were obviously a waste. Most of us who are interested in international politics have been keeping an eye on these things for decades, and being critical of your sources is alpha and omega in the internet era. But go ahead, be a Kreml stooge. I am struggling to care. well this is one of the reasons why i usually don't talk about this topic in public boards anymore...all you did was discrediting me...for what reason? because i have a different opinion? differnet sources? you didn't even try to answer to what i said whatever...think what you want to think...i am out of that topic You are presenting unsubstantiated lies as fact. What am I supposed to do? Nod and smile? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywfzniko4vQ |
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Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true. Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive. I obviously opened a can worms here. Where is that Reptilian dude when we need him? I'm not talking about reptilians, I'm talking about you believing in all kinds of Russian conspiracies and thinking the US has none of that going on lol. If you are unable to see that the way the US and the EU approaches the rest of the world is radically different from the way Putins Russia approaches the world, then I cannot help you. It's actually not different at all, you are clearly biased to see things from one point of view. You know the saying that all wars are banker wars? Well that's actually not far from the truth, although perhaps a tad too simplistic. But at least more accurate than the simplistic US and EU are the good guys and Russia the bad guys.  Russia doesn't have a functioning system of checks and balances or any real separation between the legislative Duma, the executive presidency, or the courts. There are no institutionalized critical voices inside or outside the government except for a couple of newspapers whose journalists have a seriously reduced life expectancy and an internet TV channel named Dozhd(tvrain) who's been under a barrage of attacks lately. To claim that Russia is just a normal country is an offense to all the people in Russia trying to make a change, and all of the victims of the current regime who's either been killed or imprisoned for their political beliefs. The funny thing is that you probably think you have a balanced view of matters. But the world isn't balanced, it is often quite skewed. |
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98c_1420756264i know...i did not put a lot of effort into finding an english source...jazenjuk is not somebody...they may not be the majority but they are "also" in power....then there was also the odessa incident...the miliz is basically a neo nazi group...and so on... Thinking that the soviet union were bigger a-holes than the germans doesn't make you a nazi. A bit stupid or naive, but not nazi. His party isn't nazi either, but Ukraine is under attack by Russia, so you might find some comments emanating from Ukraine that are quite hostile to Russia. Yes it does, you just can't compare defense of your country in WWII, which Soviet Union did, with Nazi aggression. A bit milder stance of putting an equality sign between them doesn't make you a Nazi, but only a Nazi sympathizer. Ukrainian leadership is composed of Nazi sympathizers (who think they are equal) and pure Nazis (who think Soviets are worse), and many of them openly raise their arms in Hitler salute in public, as you can see in the picture on the link above. I thought being a Nazi was somehow related to believing in, and/or promoting a racist fascist ideology? How could I be so wrong? Oh well... |
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Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true. Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive. I obviously opened a can worms here. Where is that Reptilian dude when we need him? I'm not talking about reptilians, I'm talking about you believing in all kinds of Russian conspiracies and thinking the US has none of that going on lol. If you are unable to see that the way the US and the EU approaches the rest of the world is radically different from the way Putins Russia approaches the world, then I cannot help you. |
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Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true. Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive. I obviously opened a can worms here. Where is that Reptilian dude when we need him? |
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@fatman. It makes no sense to talk about it anyway. I said it took me months to know what i know. I read in Every Direction. This is fucked. And i can assure You that giving the kiev leaders weapons will not soften that Problem.
Why are they the ukrainian leaders? Half of the country was not even allowed to vote
Well, those months were obviously a waste. Most of us who are interested in international politics have been keeping an eye on these things for decades, and being critical of your sources is alpha and omega in the internet era. But go ahead, be a Kreml stooge. I am struggling to care. |
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Are you insane or just stupid? What good does it do to "sell" exports to people on credit when they default on the credit? How beneficial is it to give your stuff away? A trade surplus just means you're giving more stuff than you're getting. That's BAD not good. A weak currency helps your exporters but hurts you when you have to import the raw materials and energy. It's also terrible for capital formation (savings). There's a name for a condition where everybody works but nobody gets paid. It's called "slavery".
he is right with the german export blitz...it is not that easy to understand at first...but most european countries suffer mostly because of the german export strength...especially the "weaker" southern states have a major problem...it is a very complex scenario and you should read much more into it than some posts on a bitcoin board if you want to understand it better...actually i cannot give you any links because my common sources are all german...but maybe there is someone else around I am the last to defend germans, but being blamed for everything bad because you're making too much good stuff is pretty weak. Greece needs to build competitive businesses. Italy needs to turn their brilliant "father and son" businesses and national champions towards global export (look at Fiat and several fashion brands). Spain has done a lot of things right but their willfully blind reliance on construction to keep growth up, rather than adjusting to the new economic reality after the new member states arrived in 2003, hurt the economy immensely. Ireland is pretty much back on its feet ( but the irish will always think that they are falling behind). Portugal is more of a problem, they have much of the same problems that Greece has except they haven't been fudging the numbers like Greece. But when the crisis hit, their problems were laid bare. If Germany, Finland, France and The Netherlands can't forgive Greece, then they should try to give a hand to Portugal and stop the contagion there. as i said it is very complicated...it is not that i have anything against germany...the export strength (industry, cars,...) is just a huge factor...then came the sanctions on russia which changed the table a bit since russia is a big trading partner....ahh...it is way to complicated to explain here...it took me months on reading articles & books of different types and still i have no idea how we could get out of this misere...my biggest concern is that pro kiev nazi shit going on...and why the usa wants to put as basically into a war with russia... anyway...i do think tsirpas could be the right man for the job (for the greeks)...a change was overdue Be a bit more critical about your sources. There is no "pro kiev nazi shit" going on of any significance. Every country has racist nationalists, Russia and Greece as well, The current government in Kiev is run by moderates and liberals backed by part of the former Yanukovich party and part of the left. The ukranian Svoboda has 7 out of 450 seats in the ukranian parliament. Their militant equivalent Right Sector has one member in parliament and got one of their leaders, Muzychko, killed by the police under the current government. Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true. They had a problem with a lot of bloggers and intellectuals pointing to the nordic countries and telling people how great society is in these places. And Finland and Sweden are neutral countries outside of NATO so Kreml couldn't convincingly claim that they were evil in that respect. So Kreml started a campaign against the child protection services of the nordic countries. Likening them to nazi purification programs and telling Russians that they will steal your baby if you visit those countries. And because no russians dare to talk to the child protection services of those countries now, they have a lot of cases where they are completely stuck. So Russia starts accusing these countries of one kidnapping after the other, and since these cases are confidential the nordic child protection services cannot offer specifics. Russia knows this so they know that they then can accuse these countries of intentionally trying to hide their crimes... and so it goes on and on and on. If you switch out Film Actors Guild with europeans and Kim Jong Il with Putin, this speech shuld be illuminating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKsSorry if it's a bit much. i know...i did not put a lot of effort into finding an english source...jazenjuk is not somebody...they may not be the majority but they are "also" in power....then there was also the odessa incident...the miliz is basically a neo nazi group...and so on... Thinking that the soviet union were bigger a-holes than the germans doesn't make you a nazi. A bit stupid or naive, but not nazi. His party isn't nazi either, but Ukraine is under attack by Russia, so you might find some comments emanating from Ukraine that are quite hostile to Russia. I am sure Saakashvili doesn't normally eat ties, but when the Red Army comes knocking you can loose it a bit.  |
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Are you insane or just stupid? What good does it do to "sell" exports to people on credit when they default on the credit? How beneficial is it to give your stuff away? A trade surplus just means you're giving more stuff than you're getting. That's BAD not good. A weak currency helps your exporters but hurts you when you have to import the raw materials and energy. It's also terrible for capital formation (savings). There's a name for a condition where everybody works but nobody gets paid. It's called "slavery".
he is right with the german export blitz...it is not that easy to understand at first...but most european countries suffer mostly because of the german export strength...especially the "weaker" southern states have a major problem...it is a very complex scenario and you should read much more into it than some posts on a bitcoin board if you want to understand it better...actually i cannot give you any links because my common sources are all german...but maybe there is someone else around I am the last to defend germans, but being blamed for everything bad because you're making too much good stuff is pretty weak. Greece needs to build competitive businesses. Italy needs to turn their brilliant "father and son" businesses and national champions towards global export (look at Fiat and several fashion brands). Spain has done a lot of things right but their willfully blind reliance on construction to keep growth up, rather than adjusting to the new economic reality after the new member states arrived in 2003, hurt the economy immensely. Ireland is pretty much back on its feet ( but the irish will always think that they are falling behind). Portugal is more of a problem, they have much of the same problems that Greece has except they haven't been fudging the numbers like Greece. But when the crisis hit, their problems were laid bare. If Germany, Finland, France and The Netherlands can't forgive Greece, then they should try to give a hand to Portugal and stop the contagion there. as i said it is very complicated...it is not that i have anything against germany...the export strength (industry, cars,...) is just a huge factor...then came the sanctions on russia which changed the table a bit since russia is a big trading partner....ahh...it is way to complicated to explain here...it took me months on reading articles & books of different types and still i have no idea how we could get out of this misere...my biggest concern is that pro kiev nazi shit going on...and why the usa wants to put as basically into a war with russia... anyway...i do think tsirpas could be the right man for the job (for the greeks)...a change was overdue Be a bit more critical about your sources. There is no "pro kiev nazi shit" going on of any significance. Every country has racist nationalists, Russia and Greece as well, The current government in Kiev is run by moderates and liberals backed by part of the former Yanukovich party and part of the left. The ukranian Svoboda has 7 out of 450 seats in the ukranian parliament. Their militant equivalent Right Sector has one member in parliament and got one of their leaders, Muzychko, killed by the police under the current government. Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true. They had a problem with a lot of bloggers and intellectuals pointing to the nordic countries and telling people how great society is in these places. And Finland and Sweden are neutral countries outside of NATO so Kreml couldn't convincingly claim that they were evil in that respect. So Kreml started a campaign against the child protection services of the nordic countries. Likening them to nazi purification programs and telling Russians that they will steal your baby if you visit those countries. And because no russians dare to talk to the child protection services of those countries now, they have a lot of cases where they are completely stuck. So Russia starts accusing these countries of one kidnapping after the other, and since these cases are confidential the nordic child protection services cannot offer specifics. Russia knows this so they know that they then can accuse these countries of intentionally trying to hide their crimes... and so it goes on and on and on. If you switch out Film Actors Guild with europeans and Kim Jong Il with Putin, this speech shuld be illuminating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKsSorry if it's a bit much. |
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You judge Europe as if it's a singular behemothic superstate.
HUH?? I implied nothing of the sort. It's a multi-juristictional bureaucratic nightmare, But which country is in which organization is not really relevant to my point which is that a monetary union cannot succeed without fiscal and/or political union. I used to think the U.S. Dollar was the worst possible form of currency, marrying fiat with fractional reserve lending, but you Europeans actually surpassed us. You combined the inflationary instability of fiat with the inflexibility of hard currency AND fractional lending. Wow, that's an accomplishment. I mean I know the Euro is nothing like a PM-backed currency, but to member states that need to adjust monetary policy differently, it might as well be. and the winner is.... german export blitz. to the german export industry the euro is not a nightmare but a wet dream come true. an economy with such export strength would sooner or later get a stronger currency = higher prices for their goods = less sales. germany is (ab)using the weak PIGS countries as class a weapons in the currency war. it could not work better for them. all this just to get a giant trade surplus. Are you insane or just stupid? What good does it do to "sell" exports to people on credit when they default on the credit? How beneficial is it to give your stuff away? A trade surplus just means you're giving more stuff than you're getting. That's BAD not good. A weak currency helps your exporters but hurts you when you have to import the raw materials and energy. It's also terrible for capital formation (savings). There's a name for a condition where everybody works but nobody gets paid. It's called "slavery". he is right with the german export blitz...it is not that easy to understand at first...but most european countries suffer mostly because of the german export strength...especially the "weaker" southern states have a major problem...it is a very complex scenario and you should read much more into it than some posts on a bitcoin board if you want to understand it better...actually i cannot give you any links because my common sources are all german...but maybe there is someone else around I am the last to defend germans, but being blamed for everything bad because you're making too much good stuff is pretty weak. Greece needs to build competitive businesses. Italy needs to turn their brilliant "father and son" businesses and national champions towards global export (look at Fiat and several fashion brands). Spain has done a lot of things right but their willfully blind reliance on construction to keep growth up, rather than adjusting to the new economic reality after the new member states arrived in 2003, hurt the economy immensely. Ireland is pretty much back on its feet ( but the irish will always think that they are falling behind). Portugal is more of a problem, they have much of the same problems that Greece has except they haven't been fudging the numbers like Greece. But when the crisis hit, their problems were laid bare. If Germany, Finland, France and The Netherlands can't forgive Greece, then they should try to give a hand to Portugal and stop the contagion there. |
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Also, to the original poster, instead of your diminutive attitude to 'the lefties', how about acknowledging that the 'righties' that created this mess in the first place are finally displaced from power. Finally there's a change of course for the better.
How do you figure that? "Righties" are usually recognized as Nationalists, most of whom never wanted an EU in the first place. For them, it was an issue of national sovereignty. Most European countries don't have two-party systems. The right are often liberals (not what americans call liberals), social liberals, conservatives or christian conservatives. And of course some brown populist party who hates immigrants and muslims, and loves american cars and Elvis and get caught pretending to be Hitler in the mirror. I am guessing Julian is pointing to the liberal-conservative-christian-democrats New Democracy. However it seems like the government of the Panhellenic Socialist Movement was just as guilty at producing misleading statistics to hide overspending. Which is why people see Syriza as an alternative. And it seems like Syriza understands that it doesn't have a radical socialist mandate, but rather a moderate socialist mandate as outsiders of the "corrupt" political system and as a voice for a better deal for Greece as a part of the EU. |
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Also, to the original poster, instead of your diminutive attitude to 'the lefties', how about acknowledging that the 'righties' that created this mess in the first place are finally displaced from power. Finally there's a change of course for the better.
How do you figure that? "Righties" are usually recognized as Nationalists, most of whom never wanted an EU in the first place. For them, it was an issue of national sovereignty. Most European countries don't have two-party systems. The right are often liberals (not what americans call liberals), social liberals, conservatives or christian conservatives. And of course some brown populist party who hates immigrants and muslims, and loves american cars and Elvis and get caught pretending to be Hitler in the mirror. |
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Yup. The hypocrisy of people complaining about bear trolls when those same people were calling for 100k per bitcoin back during the last major run-up gets pretty old after a while.
So spending time on a BITCOIN forum talking about how great it is is the same as spending time on a BITCOIN forum talking about how crap it is and how stupid bitcoiners are? Don't get me wrong. I don't need an echo chamber in here, but I tend to distinguish between trolls and enthusiasts. I think you misread my post, so allow me to clarify for you: I did not say "people who talk about how great bitcoin is." I said "those same people were calling for 100k per bitcoin." Can you see the difference between "I love bitcoin, bitcoin is great" and "OMFG BUY BUY BUY BITCOIN TO 100k! WHAT RETARD IS SELLING RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 700 AND GOING UP UP UP!" If you say nothing but the former, then sure, get pissed when someone responds with "bitcoin fucking sucks you stupid asshole go die in a fire." But if you spammed the latter during the huge rise -- which have always historically preceded big drops -- you can't be mad when someone goes "DOWN DOWN DOWN BITCOIN TO 10!" in the middle of a plummet. Well, you can, but you'd be an enormous hypocrite. Think about it: both sides know they're full of shit and cannot even come close to guaranteeing their assertions, but they will speak as if their opinion is absolutely infallible and inevitable. Ultimately, I think that is okay. IMO it's fine to bullshit. I mean, if you shorted, for example, you obviously think price is going down, so all you're doing by calling for $10 bitcoins is being hyperbolic (nobody can reasonably expect $10 bitcoins in the next month or two, just like nobody could reasonable expect 100k coins within a couple of months when we are at 900). Hyperbole doesn't annoy me, but hypocrisy does -- in this case, bullshitting, then getting mad when someone bullshits from the opposite side. Not to say that there are no bear trolls -- I imagine a lot of them are prodding with sticks to gauge sentiment rather than straight-up getting paid -- but yeah no doubt there definitely are. But if you truly believe in bitcoin, and still strongly believe it's going to skyrocket, you would be patient and wait for that to happen so you can laugh in their faces about it. The fact that people respond so caustically to the trolls -- whereas during the bull market they were laughed off -- tells you something about the changing sentiment and lingering doubt, which could mean there is still a ways to go as that doubt turns into despair when those final bulls turn bear. Ok, I guess I see a distinction between enthusiasts, traders who talk their book, traders who talk their book by trolling, and just sadist asshole sociopath trolls. The two former I don't mind, the two latter annoys me and usually end up on my ignore list. The problem is probably where the line is drawn with regards to the two in the middle. And if people bother to distinguish between the two latter. To call the numbnuts who were quoting the winkledinkles' 40k remarks over and over again, trolls, seems a bit far fetched. But I haven't paid attention so they might have been really annoying. I tend to call for moonshots myself, but it is really just a commentary on my despair. |
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Your join date is 2011.
You must have made a lot of money out of BTC.
Bet this place was better without the trolls.
this forum always has been a troll fest. When the prices are rising we have bulltrolls saying that bitcoin will reach 10M by next year and tracing exponential growth graphics. When prices are in downtrend we have Lamb Chop and his ponies. Yup. The hypocrisy of people complaining about bear trolls when those same people were calling for 100k per bitcoin back during the last major run-up gets pretty old after a while. So spending time on a BITCOIN forum talking about how great it is is the same as spending time on a BITCOIN forum talking about how crap it is and how stupid bitcoiners are? Don't get me wrong. I don't need an echo chamber in here, but I tend to distinguish between trolls and enthusiasts. |
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7 days until the Euro crashes. Can't wait.
I'm assuming you are referring to the troika's demand that Greece submit a bail-out plan that they will not submit, prompting a Greek Gov't shutdown and a massive bank-run. What non-senses are you people writing here? What Gov't shutdown? Bank-run?!? I have a feeling you know the situation as you are from Mars. There's 0 chance of Government shutdown, they have a brand new Gov't less then a month old which got elected with massive support announcing that it will do exactly what it is doing now. If Greece leaves the Euro-zone it will be better both for the Greece and the Euro. You got it all wrong in so many ways... I wonder if you even know where Greece is on the map...  I'ts fun when americans try to understand politics. Try telling him that not everyone has a gun in Greece. MMMUURICAAA!!! |
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We're not the only ones with launch problems. Spacex had to cancel their launch today for the second day in a row, of the Discovr mission to L1. Wonder if it's connected. Then we should be To da Moon and Beyond tomorrow. If they can get that rocket off the pad.
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Pathetic attempt from the bears... surprise surprise
I sold at $220 so we better fucking go down.
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Remember kids... the price doesn't matter, bad news doesn't matter, China doesn't matter. Nothing matters in BTCland other than pictures of honey badgers and walls of text proclaiming the NWO. Lemme save you the time. He says that money only has value because we believe it has value. I suppose that's true in a certain context but useless. Economics professors (he's a prof) only have value because we believe they have value also. What determines MARKET value for anything is supply and demand and what determines the value of something to an individual is marginal utility. Any Econ Prof worth his salt will tell you that the first week of Econ 101.
BillyJoeAllenRedneck firefighter who can't spell his own home state correctly
And of course even those with an education are wrong, wrong, wrong. So, make sure to keep buying BTC with your credit card...if Cletus here says its good, why worry. Yanis Varoufakis admits he's a Marxist, which means he's still clinging to the thoroughly discredited Labor Theory of Value when it was replaced by Marginal Utility by all non-Marxist economists about a century ago. Certain people seem to put an exorbitant amount of effort into discrediting me. Why? I'm a nobody from nowhere. What is it that I am saying that is so dangerous that it requires these ad hominem attacks? Beware the short squeeze boys and girls. It's coming. I enjoy Varoufakis but I am very aware that he is a marxist. He has an interesting perspective. And maybe that is what Europe and Greece needs for a couple of years, just to shake things up a bit. Of course he gets hung up in imaginary problems and have a lot of blind spots, he is a marxist. He sort of reminds me of the marxist/post-marxist Slavoj Zizek, who sort of floats my boat. Not for serious philosophy, just for relaxing and playing with concepts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maex3jW0Yw8With regards to nanobrain, it's in the nick. But I think she's the only lady-troll here; which is nice, I guess. |
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