@HashFast
We did it!! Shipped the first Baby Jets and Sierras today.
It's too bad your terms of sale specify refunds are available for all Batch 1 customers who don't receive their miners by... oh look... today! Good luck on your illegal scammy attempts to refund people a small fraction of the BTC they paid you, too. I sure hope you enjoy getting sued. One thought I had is that since BTC is not a " real currency " that they may only have to give back as many as you gave them and not the amount to make you whole . Like if you gave them 5 apples they would only have to give you back 5 even if apples price dropped way down . but they would have to give you back apples of the same quality i.e. not rotten so maybe there is some room for legal standing . My guess is they are just trying to make you think you will be given back less than you paid so you will not ask for a return and that buys them more time to deliver . exactly. they have to refund the payment of xxx BTC as it is mentioned in the TOS. |
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my version of the TOS says:
"...and HashFast will refund the payment for the units..."
my payment was a certain amount of BTC. there is no space for interpretation.
it is NOT:
"...and HashFast will refund the price for the units..."
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cannot imagine we have such few people which are interested to fight against HF. who has serious interest and willing to pay to get back at least a portion of his invested money?
btw. I believe also the timeframe on Ciara is over for HF. they have to book an another one. this means additional delays.
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I don't think it will be of any real use (not in my case at least, I've already decided that i will go against them), but let's do it. (0.01BTC here?)
would also pay 0.01 btc for this report.
 I just discovered the report is almost empty... I mean, the only information that Experian have about them is already public. I literally paid for a report which is not a report. How nice from Experian to offer empty reports for money. Sorry for that guys, I will contact the proper channels to obtain a refund. let us know about the refund to split the costs in case if the refund is not sucessfull. |
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would also pay 0.01 btc for this report.
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Was sagt dein Anwalt zum Schreiben der BAfin? Nach meinem Rechtsverständnis muß nur der Ersteller des Hinweisschreibens anonymisiert werden.
mich würde auch interessieren was deine sparkasse da geschrieben hat! eventuell auch ne gute gelegenheit mal etwas tranzparenz in diesen bankensumpf zu bringen. wenn so etwas mal öffentlich wird überlegt sich vieleicht in zukunft das eine oder andere kreditinstitut ob es seine kunden anschwärzen will wenn noch keine rechtsgrundlage existiert. |
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No No No No No.That thing has nothing to do with me personally, as i wrote, it has to do with the "extent of my op"; alias, let the world know about HashFast. You should append that post, it's really confusing to all! please let us focus on the fight against HF because they hire a lawyer early in Dec 2013 to protect themselves against their customers. as of my understanding no one received a full BTC refund so far! focus on the fight! this forum is public. HF (or the lawyer Adam Ettinger) laugh about us if they reading some post here. it is a good sign for us if they feel so defensively they have to hire a expensive lawyer. they did a lot of mistake in the past, e.g. changing the TOS over and over again. if the lawyer come to the conclusion he cannot protect them from full BTC refund they will pay a full BTC refund. they have no other chance anymore. stay in business or go bankrupt. I'm sure they choose to stay in business beause they invested a lot in this business (not only money) also heart and brain. they want to stay in the business somehow! and again! do not sign anything additional after your initial order! it is a trap from a very clever lawyer. and it is their last chance to avoid a full BTC refund! |
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I emailed them demanding a refund. Error detected. Is there a better way? Yes, on the 2nd of Jan when the post office opens, I will send them a registered letter stating I want to know how they are going to solve the problem they are causing. It's called a notice of default and it's the first step one can take to start a conversation with HF to come to some kind of agreement. You can later escalete it to a lawyer if no comprimise can be found. what is the address to send them a registered letter from outside of US? thank you! |
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it's over! HashFast fail to deliver by end of 2013. period.
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Well my order is for BJ #39 and I have not received a tracking number so they can not have sent many out. Also the ToS is a contract between you and HF. Just because they sent out one unit to a developer does not mean they met the 'guaranteed delivery' deadline. http://hashfast.com/order-chain/The fact that only Luke-Jr confirms shipping does sound a lot like BFL. In order to win a bet that BFL would ship the first units before April 01 2013 they sent 1 unit to Luke-Jr. However it was never actually shipped because Luke decided to leave it at BFL. It took until July for day 1 customers to receive their units. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.0Also before HF ships anything, they really should publish the final specs and tell us exactly what they are shipping. If they don't deliver what they promised the customer has the right to return the product and request a full refund. As it stands it appears the power consumption for the promised hashrate is well outside of spec. (450W vs <350W advertised). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2894615#msg2894615+1 |
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just one question: do you expect they still deliver by 31 Dec?
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I'm surprised because i was thinking that they would have used fedex next flight to ship to as many customers as possible today. Maybe that's still the case and we just don't know yet.
If not, my legitimate conclusion is that they don't have a working product yet.
Why would they hurry to ship before the deadline? Every refund (US$ or US$->BTC converted) is direct gain for ScamFast. They can resell the miner for at least the same price, this time without the MPP. They can resell the (saved) MPP boards later for shitload more money. They are provoking us to ask for a refund, people, make no mistake about it. There will be certain amount of naive people thinking they can somehow get the full refund in the process, and they are an easy pray for HF scammers. If only 1/5 of batch #1 customers ask for a refund and save them MPP boards, multiply 110 * 4 * 2000 US$, we are talking almost a million US$ of additional income for HF. That's a chance scammers like HF won't miss. They will probably wait a week or two after the deadline, even if they have the miners, just to provoke as many refunds as they can. They are however, in the US. The plan you described would be criminal fraud. The volume of complaints would be much much worse than BFL, since everyone sat through that one and saw just how much shit a company gets away with when you let them. Claiming to sell something with no intent to offer it. Taking money for preorders without a planned ship date or proper notifications of late shipping. It goes beyond civil claims. Get to filing the complaints, get everyone involved to file complaints all at once. California state attorney general, Kamala Harris. They respond quickly to inquiries, I've dealt with them a number of times over the years and they get results. Federal Trade Commission. Get the complaints in, do not sign anything hashfast provides at this time. please can you post links to fill out formulars of CA government? thank you very much! EDIT: HF company is not registered in CA, right? we need to fill out formulars of the other US state. |
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my guess is they have serious issues with the board design.
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anybody got a shipment notification so far?
No me neither! Surprised? no, preparing for the fight. |
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anybody got a shipment notification so far?
No me neither! |
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anybody got a shipment notification so far?
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first off all! to everybody! DO NOT accept the procedure according the HF email! Confirmation that you understand USD order totals that were originally paid with BTC can be refunded in BTC at the USD to BTC market exchange rate on the date of refund.
it is a agreement and if you sign it HF is on the save side! the only goal of HF ist to get as many customers as they can to sign this. request a full refund in BTC with market exchange rate on the date of order if you paid in BTC! do this immeditaly after 31 Dec if they fail to deliver. accept NO OTHER agreement and let them know this fact! this is very important, if you sign a contract agreeing to the new terms, you are screwed. That is why this is worded this way. PLEASE DON'T EVER DO THIS! IF THEY SAY YOU WON'T GET A REFUND UNLESS YOU SIGN THEY ARE LYING. If you paid in BTC, only accept that exact amount of BTC in refund. We have seen proof that the policy was in place when orders were made. do we have a full list of all email addresses fo HF batch 1 customers? this information above is very important! no one should sign or agree to this new HF extension of the original TOS! |
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first off all! to everybody! DO NOT accept the procedure according the HF email! Confirmation that you understand USD order totals that were originally paid with BTC can be refunded in BTC at the USD to BTC market exchange rate on the date of refund.
it is a agreement and if you sign it HF is on the save side! the only goal of HF ist to get as many customers as they can to sign this. request a full refund in BTC with market exchange rate on the date of order if you paid in BTC! do this immeditaly after 31 Dec if they fail to deliver. accept NO OTHER agreement and let them know this fact! |
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