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5361  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: HELP!!! BitCoin Spinner issue - coins no longer there!!! on: October 12, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
It has been said above. In more simple terms:
1. If the upgrade wiped your stuff (aka, the Bitcoin Spinner program), the Bitcoin data is probably lost
2. If the update did not wipe your personal stuff but only the system data, the Bitcoin data may still be there
3. If Bitcoin Spinner was installed on your SD card, the Bitcoin data may still be there

Frankly, you took quite a risk upgrading your Phone's ROM without taking precautions in terms of the Bitcoin stash. It should be on everyone's radar (I use another Andriod wallet and it explicitly warns for these kinds of things, even against auto-update of the program itself).

Indeed a good advice not to use your phone now until someone is able to have a look at it.
5362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is the Occupy movement not immediately embracing bitcoin? on: October 12, 2012, 08:04:26 PM
I think the big win will be going low tech and enabling developing countries.

I am on the same page. Mobile payments (SMS) are already big in countries like India. BTC could fly if smartphones and mobile Internet massively penetrate developing countries.
5363  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-10-11 loper-os.org - Bitcoin, or How to Hammer in Nails with a Microscope. on: October 12, 2012, 07:20:40 PM
I fail to notice what the author had in mind when arguing that BTC users are hammering in nails with a microscope. They are poineering, not sitting on the couch fearing the demise of a virtual currency that has only been conceived 3 years ago.

I must say that I enjoyed the read, but I fear my fellow-man a lot more than all dangers the author put forward. BTC won't set people free; only people themselves can set people free. That has always been the case (and boy, have we the people been asleep for a century).
5364  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-10-11 arte Abendnachrichten :) on: October 12, 2012, 07:13:00 PM
If there is one country that is spooked about everything that is going on in the EU, it is Germany. There are numerous reports of people using the Deutsche Mark again or refusing to accept the Y-notes (euro bank notes from Greece). An option to take at least some of your savings completely out of the system must appeal to the savers in Germany.

It is as if BTC was coded for this country  Tongue
5365  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin is illegal on: October 10, 2012, 02:03:34 PM
While paying with a credit card is easy, even if you don't own money or the credit card.  And that sums up the main problems with credit cards.  Paying with Bitcoin is impossible if you don't own any bitcoins, or can buy them from someone willing to take the risk off the merchant, and that is exactly how it should be.  It is a feature.  If you don't understand that, you have missed something very important.

I tend to look at this differently.

Paying with credit card is essentially no more than saying that company X will pay you on my behalf. Subsequently, company X will come to me for the amount paid increased with fees/interest.

The same type of construction is possible with Bitcoin. Company X will pay you on my behalf, but not in USD but BTC instead. Subsequently, company X will come to me for the amount of BTC paid (or USD if agreed upon) increased with fees/interest.

From that perspective, speaking about credit card payments on the one hand and BTC payments on the other hand is comparing apples with oranges.

The more I think about it, the more it dawns on me that BTC's essential property is really ease of payment. Not the software, not your HDD rumbling for hours, correction, days without end to update the blockchain but the pure and simple fact that I can send 'something' to anyone, even the moon (figurally speaking) if an astronaut has some sort of Internet connection. In fact, an internet connection is not even required for the receiver for the payment itself. He can generate his own unique key throuhg brainwallet.org or similar algorithm available offline to send BTC to.

The purse simple fact of a payment requires nothing other than me, my internet connection, the Bitcoin protocol and a receiving address. No blockades, no interference, nobody skimming fees in between and holding up one of the most simple and valuable things on earth: exchange between humans.

In a very abstract way of thinking about Bitcoin, everything that was not possible due to payment frictions, is now possible due to Bitcoin. Just to round off this little brainstorming event, a lot of things are alread possible:
*electronic money
*mobile money
*international payments

Not considering its flaws, Paypal is already immensely usefull due to its property of easy online payments outside of the banking system.

Very rough, Bitcoin enables the following additional properties:
*virtually no fees
*receive electronic payments without a bank account/Paypal account
*no central control

I do not see myself paying with BTC at the grocery store due to BTC's unique properties. But the same properties make it immensely usefull to make payments all over the world/universe to anyone, literally anyone, without limitations (if waiting for confirmation is not a problem; exactly the reason why I do not see it happening for BTC at the grocery store).

It is already possible to purchase the most outlandisch tablet from the most remote tablet factory/seller from China. Within time, you can also pay the chap without limitations.

Trust is not the problem (its a topic of trade as long as people have existed). Ability to pay/receive is, at least for a large part of the world (not our 1st world). Let's wait for smartphones and mobile internet to break through in developing countries. From where I am now in my line of thinking, that will be the most important source of BTC's upcoming success. Secondary properties (such as the fixed amount of 21 million BTC) are helpful (e.g., for the 1st world users).

It's gonna be great  Grin
5366  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How much do you think a BTC can be worth in the future? on: October 10, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
I gave it some thought in the past: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56562.msg675926#msg675926
5367  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: bitmarket.eu on: October 10, 2012, 11:46:26 AM
The deciding factor for blaming an admin is: facts

It is not ruled out that security has been breached but until such has not been established, it makes no sense to blame the admin. Even if security was breached, it is still a free website. I use it occassionally and at my own risk. It is basically the same premise as with Bitcoin: you are on your own.

For those not affected, it is a great moment to reconsider your password strategy.
5368  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: bitmarket.eu on: October 10, 2012, 10:49:30 AM
I also believe that this makes it his fault too and he needs to reply to those concerned what is going on with their coins, otherwise people will lose trust in BitMarket.eu, which is irreversible!

I believe the world is a bad, bad place and if you have your password stolen, not due to security breaches of Bitmarket.eu, you should consider your online password strategy instead of demanding payback for a site that costs you nothing to use.



If you don't want to lose it, keep it save. This is Bitcoin, remember?
5369  Local / Nederlands (Dutch) / Re: Bitcoins gewoon cash kopen on: October 10, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
Ik neem aan dat de bank toch gewoon een chargeback doet als het account gehackt is?

[...]

Daarom heb ik Ideal uitgeschakeld, omdat ik het met de Banken wel gehad heb op dit moment, en het begint steeds beter te lopen, gewoon cash voor Bitcoins.

Op je site staat wat anders  Roll Eyes

Waarom accepteer je trouwens geen Griekse Y-biljetten (euro's)?
5370  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-10-08 lfb.org/businessinsider.com - Paper Money = Despotism on: October 09, 2012, 07:37:14 PM
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In his classic book The Theory of Money and Credit (1912), the Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises argues, “It is impossible to grasp the meaning of the idea of sound money if one does not realize that it was devised as an instrument for the protection of civil liberties against despotic inroads on the part of governments. Ideologically, it belongs in the same class with political constitutions and bills of rights.”

Mises described one of our favorite protocols 100 years before the fact. Smiley

Sometimes, great ideas are way ahead of their time.
5371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Exchanges Shutting down a threat to bitcoin? on: October 09, 2012, 07:33:45 PM
There is always escrow service. Plenty of sites where people enter into transactions to exchange BTC for fiat or other (crypto)currencies. If regular exchanges shut down massively, it will probably affect Bitcoin, but it would not be the absolute end of it.
5372  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How much do you think a BTC can be worth in the future? on: October 09, 2012, 06:47:03 PM
I think you should relate it to the economy surrounding Bitcoin. Although BTC has a lot going for it, it will probably take a lot of years for Bitcoin to reach its 'Steve Jobs' moment so that it becomes fit for the general public.

I posted some ideas here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56562.msg679650#msg679650
5373  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 08, 2012, 09:43:42 PM

Keynesianism has been all that people have been allowed to hear for a long time but the internet is bringing other models to the arena for inspection.


I think a lot of young educated adults are very much aware of the current financial system and its flaws. They will - at some time - be the new leaders. Let's have it  Roll Eyes
5374  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Physical device to generate public/private key pairs on: October 07, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
How hard would it be to build an electronic device that could generate and display a Bitcoin public / private key pair?  It would be nice to have a physical device that could, without connecting to anything, give you a new safe address to dump your coins to at the press of a button.



I suppose someone can write an app for that?
5375  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin is illegal on: October 07, 2012, 07:43:28 PM
Someone else mentioned this type of thing earlier and I wanted to comment. Very cool thinking and it appeals to me a lot. Is anyone actually trying to put this into action?

Insofar I am aware, mobile payments in those areas is developing (e.g., payment by SMS).

In my opinion, we need some more years for the back lands to sufficiently upgrade on mobile networking (internet) and devices (smartphones) before we may expect BTC to lift off in those areas of the world. This element of time can hardly be considered as a blockade for BTC, because the more spread out the use of BTC is at that time, the better it will gain traction in less developed areas of the world.

In terms of mobile payments, we could use progress on speedy payment confirmation and a mobile BTC client that is lightweight and data-thin. I am yet to make/receive my first mobile Android BTC payment....  Cry

5376  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin is illegal on: October 07, 2012, 02:09:55 PM
What is illegal? As people start distrusting govt-backed "money" they will figure out that govt-backed "laws" are no different. They are just arbitrary abstractions imposed on them against their will. Or do you suggest that governments these days have highest approval ratings in history? No, they don't.

we are witnessing the end of the relevance of the nation state in real time, take notes kids, its fascinating stuff.

Bitcoin's consequences could be mind boggling.
5377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin is illegal on: October 07, 2012, 12:11:03 PM
DId gold crash down in value in the U.S. when the government confiscated it?

-MarkM-


In fact, it went soo bad with gold that foreign countries redeemed their dollars en masse for this worthless piece of metal in the sixties, ultimately forcing Nixon to close the Gold window. The land of the free has been 'not so free' a lot longer (even going back so far as Lincoln).
5378  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculation on monetary inflation rate of BTC vs. USD on: October 03, 2012, 09:30:14 PM
And $1.4 to $1.6 trillion of treasures issued over the next year.  Who will buy them?

Word is that the FED takes 75% of current issues. Recipe for (future) disaster.
5379  Other / Off-topic / Re: There are films. And then there are films. on: October 03, 2012, 08:49:18 PM
If you list City of God, why not list Tropa de Elite and Tropa de Elite 2 as well  Tongue

*Tropa de Elite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjY62OrSIAo&hd=1

*Tropa de Elite 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfKRvqTvTuo&hd=1
5380  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What got you hooked on Bitcoin? on: October 02, 2012, 09:03:22 PM
1. Bitcoin could solve a lot of today's problems

2. People's money - the grand experiment
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