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541  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitcoin Foundation should file a lawsuit against BFL on: August 27, 2013, 03:45:55 AM
That's NOT their mandate. You have to inform yourself, and take responsibility for your decisions. If BFL have wronged you in some way feel free to join the people currently planning a lawsuit against BFL...

Actually preventing serious black-eyes that harm the adoption of Bitcoin is or should be part of their mandate.  Actually if they DID do something it would lend them a ton of credibility with a core group that has been slow to embrace the foundation.  

Yeah, I'm sure a core group of rabid, psychotic, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts with personality disorders are real high on their priority list.  You do realize that the "core" group you're referring to are looked at as nutjobs by everyone but themselves, right?



Which conspiracies are you talking about Josh?  You may want to focus on a few fringe "people" but actually I was referring to the group of people who distrust centralization which is a much larger group than you give credit.  

P.S.  Hint, this group is not all "rabid, psychotic, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts" as you like to characterize them.

Ok, so how would the Bitcoin Foundation "going after" BFL do anything for these people you are referring to?


I don't want them to just "go after" anyone, that is irresponsible.   But there have been some very very valid concerns about some of the claims and and business tactics by Butterfly Labs Inc.  The community, not just the rabid, psychotic, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts have tried over and over to have you address respectfully and intelligently that in my opinion have not been addressed.  

Josh, you specifically have seemed to go out of your way to make that the most difficult and painful process coming from BFL's head of PR which in the manner you have held yourself, makes you having that title a mockery of all real professional public relations experts, but I digress on that point.  



And what would these "very very valid concerns" be that haven't already been addressed elsewhere?  Please keep in mind, that what you might consider a "very very valid concern" isn't really a "very very valid concern" as the general world/business world understands it.  Asking for proprietary and/or non-public information would be an example of this.  You may *really* *really* want to know that information, but it's not normal or reasonable to ask for it and that's why it hasn't been provided.  Just because you *really* *really* want to know something doesn't make it "very very valid."  

I look forward to your answer.


You really think it has anything to do with people wanting to know non-public information?

1.  Mis-leading statements & advertising on delivery schedule
2.  Mis-leading statements on performance claims initially
3.  Disrespectful Customer service primarily by you (Josh)
4.  Whole-fully inadequate customer service responses that basically were intentionally misleading to cover for issue #2 mentioned above.

Try directly responding only to these issues without addressing me or giving excuses on why.  I am only listing these because you asked me directly and I owe you that much.   You are the company so it doesn't matter what people do or say, proper business means holding yourself to a higher standard.  

Note:  If I came across as directly advocating BCF to do this action, it should not be taken there because I have no business relationship with BFL so I was not directly affected by these claims that have been brought up many times by many miners.   What I was addressing that if BCF did take this issue on, it would give them creditability for addressing an issue that rightly or wrongly is a big issue with a large amount of miners.  If anything, they would be doing you a favor by opening a dialogue with BFL and allow you to address and make amends to issues which I DO believe are valid.  I am just not advocating that BCF do that, by I am giving the observation that it would help them with a core group of users.
542  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitcoin Foundation should file a lawsuit against BFL on: August 27, 2013, 03:09:22 AM
That's NOT their mandate. You have to inform yourself, and take responsibility for your decisions. If BFL have wronged you in some way feel free to join the people currently planning a lawsuit against BFL...

Actually preventing serious black-eyes that harm the adoption of Bitcoin is or should be part of their mandate.  Actually if they DID do something it would lend them a ton of credibility with a core group that has been slow to embrace the foundation.   

Yeah, I'm sure a core group of rabid, psychotic, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts with personality disorders are real high on their priority list.  You do realize that the "core" group you're referring to are looked at as nutjobs by everyone but themselves, right?



Which conspiracies are you talking about Josh?  You may want to focus on a few fringe "people" but actually I was referring to the group of people who distrust centralization which is a much larger group than you give credit.   

P.S.  Hint, this group is not all "rabid, psychotic, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts" as you like to characterize them.

Ok, so how would the Bitcoin Foundation "going after" BFL do anything for these people you are referring to?


I don't want them to just "go after" anyone, that is irresponsible.   But there have been some very very valid concerns about some of the claims and and business tactics by Butterfly Labs Inc.  The community, not just the rabid, psychotic, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts have tried over and over to have you address respectfully and intelligently that in my opinion have not been addressed. 

Josh, you specifically have seemed to go out of your way to make that the most difficult and painful process coming from BFL's head of PR which in the manner you have held yourself, makes you having that title a mockery of all real professional public relations experts, but I digress on that point. 

543  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitcoin Foundation should file a lawsuit against BFL on: August 27, 2013, 02:11:44 AM
That's NOT their mandate. You have to inform yourself, and take responsibility for your decisions. If BFL have wronged you in some way feel free to join the people currently planning a lawsuit against BFL...

Actually preventing serious black-eyes that harm the adoption of Bitcoin is or should be part of their mandate.  Actually if they DID do something it would lend them a ton of credibility with a core group that has been slow to embrace the foundation.  

Yeah, I'm sure a core group of rabid, psychotic, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts with personality disorders are real high on their priority list.  You do realize that the "core" group you're referring to are looked at as nutjobs by everyone but themselves, right?



Which conspiracies are you talking about Josh?  You may want to focus on a few fringe "people" but actually I was referring to the group of people who distrust centralization which is a much larger group than you give credit.  

P.S.  Hint, this group is not all "rabid, psychotic, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts" as you like to characterize them.
544  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitcoin Foundation should file a lawsuit against BFL on: August 27, 2013, 01:20:39 AM
That's NOT their mandate. You have to inform yourself, and take responsibility for your decisions. If BFL have wronged you in some way feel free to join the people currently planning a lawsuit against BFL...

Actually preventing serious black-eyes that harm the adoption of Bitcoin is or should be part of their mandate.  Actually if they DID do something it would lend them a ton of credibility with a core group that has been slow to embrace the foundation.   
545  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: @INABA / BFL_JOSH - When is my order going to ship? on: August 27, 2013, 01:16:45 AM
Hi Josh -

I ordered a 5GH/s Miner on the 6th of May.

When I ordered I was assured it would be delivered by July.

On August the 8th I asked for a refund and on August the 15th I was told this would not be possible.

So can you please tell me, simply, when my order will finally ship and what possible reason there could be for orders taking so long?

I am tired of reading through pages and pages of abuse and conspiracy theories - can you simply answer my question?

Thank you.
Jesus, this is not a BFL forum,this is a hardware section, Josh is not a moderator and he got not even reason read this never ending crap and the most important You Sir pre-order just 1 f'g 5GH jala WTH are You beggar ? I invest in knc miners 10 000 Eur

I see Inaba is active, mostly in verbal abuse, on other threads in this forum so figured this would be the place to get an answer from him directly. I barely get an answer at all from BFL support so...

This 'never ending crap' as you put it is not our fault, it is BFL's fault and a spokesman for that company on here, as far as I can tell, is Josh so why not address this post to him?

I am not a beggar I am smart, I read the posts and thought I would have a gamble so I purchased the smallest miner I could. But that is beside the point. If I had spent only $10 with BFL it would still not make it ok to lie to me and fail to produce anything.

ethought
- If you noticed that, then WHY DID YOU PURCHASE?
546  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: @INABA / BFL_JOSH - When is my order going to ship? on: August 26, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
how is this scam of a company not shutdown yet.

People vote with their dollars, they keep handing them money and the law of markets says they should be in business.  Pure and simple. 
547  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: @INABA / BFL_JOSH - When is my order going to ship? on: August 26, 2013, 08:43:01 PM
If your new to Bitcoin mining and BFL shipping commitments then we forgive you.  If not, then don't be surprised, many people are in line before you.   We have tons of threads saying the same thing.   At this point it is either refund, wait or see if you have legal action.   Wish there was a better answer at this point.


-D
548  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Insured] ASIC Miner Hosting (Managed) - Electricity @0.02/Kwh on: August 26, 2013, 08:35:31 PM
Major update, we now carry insurance for mining hardware.
549  Economy / Services / Re: [Insured] ASIC Miner Hosting (Managed) - Electricity @0.02/Kwh on: August 26, 2013, 08:11:34 PM
Major update, we now insure our hardware.
550  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Insured] ASIC Miner Hosting (Managed) - Electricity @0.02/Kwh on: August 26, 2013, 08:09:52 PM
Major Update.  We now insure hardware that is hosted with us.
551  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon Asic batch 2 miner - in hand on: August 26, 2013, 04:41:46 AM
Host with me and bring your operating costs down.  I'll give it a good home.
552  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Where to deploy large amount of ASIC in USA on: August 25, 2013, 02:41:22 AM
hi,
   I might be able to get my hand on 50T+ of asic chips soon, but those chips consumes a lot of power from the specs I get (~400KW).  Does anyone here as suggestion or expertise on deploy such high power systems?  Is there anyway to deploy them in a place other than data center?  And if in data center, which part of the USA would be the most cost effective as far as space renting + power + cooling + security.  Any help would be greatly appreciated, opportunity available if you are an expert of those kind of stuff.  Thanks!



I have a hosting facility built out in the area. We should talk.
553  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Electricity prices on: August 24, 2013, 04:08:42 AM
If you look electricity prices stats you can notice that the price for households is much more than for industrial users. Why not people who need large quantities of electricity just not switch to industrial category?
Is there some requirements that prevent to do this or just they don't aware about this opportunity?

It is because many people don't meet the minimum demand to get those prices.  For many utilities it starts at 25,000-100,000/Kwh and higher to qualify.
554  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL MiniRig Line:Concerned on: August 24, 2013, 04:05:42 AM

I'm very concerned and have not too much hope that any of the Minirigs will pay back. Our only chance would be a refund, maybe we should see how we can work together to get our money back?

I have a minirig order from March of 2013. They have refused my refund. I am going to pursue legal action with a very good friend who was an attorney at Federman & Sherwood for 5 years and recently took a better job. This case is exactly their bread and butter. If you have been refused a refund and are interested in your legal options, please PM me.

Thanks.
This is what I love about the instant gratification crowd... "not too much hope that any of the Minirigs will pay back" and They have refused my refund. I am going to pursue legal action.

Personally, I hope you request AND get your refunds.  That way, 6 months or a year or 2 years down the road when all the bitcoins you WOULD have carefully mined and stored since the receipt of your unit become worth 10-20x what you paid for it, I can laugh at your for your shortsightedness and stupidity.

Counting a rise in exchange rate to "profit is idoitic".  Couldn't he get a refund, use the cash to buy Bitcoins today and then when 6 or 2 years from now you laugh at him that the coins he could have mined are worth 10x as much he laughs and shows you he has even MORE bitcoins which have also increased 10x?

However you calling him an idiot is proof BFL will never go bankrupt.
Counting on a rise in the exchange rate is inevitable.  As more and more systems come online and difficulty climbs ever higher, people are going to start realizing that selling at current prices is going to eventually stop paying for the cost of electricity.  When that happens, more and more people will begin asking higher prices and refusing to sell at the piddly bids people are hoping to get cheap bitcoins with today.  The people I refer to as the 'instant gratification' crowd will be selling their coins as fast as they get them, frantically thinking they must or they will lose out.  The calmer heads out there will simply scoop up these coins and wait.  The panic selling of mining equipment will inevitably follow as people try to get some meager return on their investment selling at lower and lower prices, thinking the game is up.

Why not get a refund and buy BTC?  You're *REALLY* think the people so desperate about declining RoI will have the patience to sit on BTC?Huh?  Wow.

One last thing... *I* did not use the term idiot... you did.

Sock-puppet troll here.  Go away.
555  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL MiniRig Line:Concerned on: August 24, 2013, 04:04:47 AM
Also Posted in Pre-Sales at BFL Forum

MiniRig Line:Concerned
Via Jody's blog, we can conclude the minirig line made ZERO progress from roughly August 15th until today. It seems ONE 500 GH/s unit has been completed since then (as seen on Jody's Update yesterday). If only one 500 GH/s unit has been completed since the 15th, which is 8 days...How, at ONE 500 GH/s unit EVERY 8 DAYS, will BFL ever complete the backlog?

If BFL is purposely slowing the Minirig line, to force big-money investors to switch their investment to the Monarch line, this would be very troubling.

I welcome BFL to clarify why this line, which so much money has been dumped into by customers, is moving so slowly...Neglect, lack of coordination, or fraud?

Also, since I have 1.5 TH/s to my order...Can I assume, at one 500GH/s rig every 8 days, my order will take 24 DAYS to build and fulfill?


Thanks for your time


PS: I'm not an angry troll, I've invested in the Minirig line and I'm extremely concerned at the lack of progress. And seemingly no effort to correct it..

Are no other MiniRig purchasers as concerned as I am?


Hello EvilLizardApparel,

Just wanted to let you know that MiniRig line was not slowed down in any way, we were just waiting for new boards to arrive to the facility.


Regards,
Nasser




Unacceptable Nasser.   BFL has had plenty of time to foresee this and if any part should be slower, its the chips and that is it.  BFL has dropped the ball in a time when your customer has few options being that your orders are all pre-orders.  If you want to do real customer service, them your big customers how your are going to compensate them for your internal delay because of a lack of foresight.  
556  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL MiniRig Line:Concerned on: August 24, 2013, 04:00:28 AM

I'm very concerned and have not too much hope that any of the Minirigs will pay back. Our only chance would be a refund, maybe we should see how we can work together to get our money back?

I have a minirig order from March of 2013. They have refused my refund. I am going to pursue legal action with a very good friend who was an attorney at Federman & Sherwood for 5 years and recently took a better job. This case is exactly their bread and butter. If you have been refused a refund and are interested in your legal options, please PM me.

Thanks.
This is what I love about the instant gratification crowd... "not too much hope that any of the Minirigs will pay back" and They have refused my refund. I am going to pursue legal action.

Personally, I hope you request AND get your refunds.  That way, 6 months or a year or 2 years down the road when all the bitcoins you WOULD have carefully mined and stored since the receipt of your unit become worth 10-20x what you paid for it, I can laugh at your for your shortsightedness and stupidity.

That a boy.  Grand investment strategy there.  Who cares what I paid and what I got out because my coinZ will be worth millions later on.   
557  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: avalon stopping for hours and not restarting on: August 24, 2013, 03:57:28 AM
Try a different firmware.  I have migrated all my avalons away from that version.  Same issue.
558  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL MiniRig Line:Concerned on: August 23, 2013, 06:18:10 PM
If BFL is purposely slowing the Minirig line, to force big-money investors to switch their investment to the Monarch line, this would be very troubling.

You cannot switch to monarch if you have an order in "fullfilled" state (after one mini rig has shipped).

I suspect they are running out of cases or other parts. 

BTW, slowing the shipment rate, only helps the early adopters.

People who have late mini rig orders will switch to monarch, just a matter of time.


How could you run out of parts when you KNOW how many orders you have AND you already have their money? 
559  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL MiniRig Line:Concerned on: August 23, 2013, 06:15:58 PM
Also Posted in Pre-Sales at BFL Forum

MiniRig Line:Concerned
Via Jody's blog, we can conclude the minirig line made ZERO progress from roughly August 15th until today. It seems ONE 500 GH/s unit has been completed since then (as seen on Jody's Update yesterday). If only one 500 GH/s unit has been completed since the 15th, which is 8 days...How, at ONE 500 GH/s unit EVERY 8 DAYS, will BFL ever complete the backlog?

If BFL is purposely slowing the Minirig line, to force big-money investors to switch their investment to the Monarch line, this would be very troubling.

I welcome BFL to clarify why this line, which so much money has been dumped into by customers, is moving so slowly...Neglect, lack of coordination, or fraud?

Also, since I have 1.5 TH/s to my order...Can I assume, at one 500GH/s rig every 8 days, my order will take 24 DAYS to build and fulfill?


Thanks for your time


PS: I'm not an angry troll, I've invested in the Minirig line and I'm extremely concerned at the lack of progress. And seemingly no effort to correct it..

Are no other MiniRig purchasers as concerned as I am?

Not sure if its true but that would be a valid tactic, especially if you paid last year when BTC was $6-10.  Much less labor to make a PCI-E card then that custom box.  You would think they would of already shipped their big orders.
560  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: USB block erupters are now useless. on: August 22, 2013, 10:14:23 PM
I'll take 1 and a time machine, please.

Bam!  I'll second this request.  Let me hitch a ride with you. 
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