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541  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 27, 2016, 08:54:52 AM
I'm not understanding this fully. If we buy Iconomi tokens what dividends are we then entitled to?
Does this include profits from the investment funds? What about profits from the exchange?

Correct me if I am wrong on any of this:

This ico is not for the iconomi.index (CTF) and iconomi.performance (CMF) funds.  This ico is only for ownership of the OFM platform (ICN tokens).

- the iconomi.index (CTF) tokens will have a separate ico to raise funds.  These iconomi.index (CTF) tokens will be tradeable on exchanges

- At that point we will have 2 tokens: ICN tokens (OFM platform) and iconomi.index tokens (CTF) trading on exchanges

- The 3rd offering to raise captial will be the iconomi.performance (CMF) private fund.  Invitation only.  No tokens which are tradeable on exchanges.  Only way to go in and out will be through a manual/oldschool process.


Benefits of owning ICN tokens (OFM platform):

- voting rights, dividend rights, and invitation to invest in iconomi.performance (CMF) offering

The dividends come from here:
Quote
The OFM platform systematically enables the sharing of management fees between fund managers and investors with Ethereum smart contract utilisation.

Questions:

1) How is the profit sharing decided on the OFM platform?
  - How much does fund manager keep
  - How much is sent to investors in the fund manager's fund
  - How much is distributed as dividends to ICN token holders

2) Will iconomi.index (CTF) and iconomi.performance (CMF) funds be migrated to the OFM platform, then profits from these 2 funds will be shared with holders of ICN tokens?  Or are these first 2 funds entirely separate from the OFM platform / ICN tokens?


This ICO is for ICONOMI management platform. Think of it as buying company shares. And this company will than make products and create profits.

The products ICONOMI will create won't have their own ICO. They will be financial products that we're be selling to outside investors. And those products will charge fee to their own investors just like mutual funds and etfs charge fee.

ICONOMI.INDEX - CTF will be tradable on exchanges yes.

CMF is general term. There will be many funds in CMF. One will be named ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE. This token will be invite only (for ICONOMI ICO participants at the beginning). Way to go out/in will be via us only on those tokens. 24/7 and simple. Sending money in/out in essence.


Answers to questions:
1)
- Profit sharing (fee split) on OFM will be split between ICONOMI as platform and fund manager as the one performing trading. It is not yet decided. But think of Uber/Airbnb split kind of tyle.
- Fund manager will get more than platform. See previous answer.
- Investors in fund will probably have around 20% performance fee on their gain.
- Our operational cost is what we'll burn. The rest goes to to "the owners of the company" - ICN token holders in that case.

2)
ICONOMI.INDEX and ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE will eventually be migrated to OFM. In effect those will be just two more funds on the platform that happened to be managed by us.
542  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 26, 2016, 10:27:26 PM
I think my last question got drowned somehow and it may be important for others as well:

Is it important that we control the private keys to the addresses from where we send funds, or is it safe to send funds from exchanges directly?

I hope it is ok to send from exchanges because thats how i did it.  I don't think it will even be an issue since it looks like it will smash through the 2k btc threshold. 

I'm sure they can incorporate a currency wallet check onto our ico homepage if necessary.

My concerns were more about how to collect the tokens afterwards. Some projects use your Privkey for it. Now, in this case I wouldn't expect it to be that way, since there are multiple ways to invest, but just to make sure, I'd like to hear/read a statement, ideally with an explanation of how the tokens will be distributed afterwards(someone mentioned Ethereum Mist wallet).

At the end of ICO or perhaps even before we'll create an interface in which you will be able to put your public ETH address. That way, you'll get control of your ICN tokens directly by your corresponding private key.
543  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 26, 2016, 10:20:02 PM
Few questions please.
This project is like Mutual Fund correct?
Will it be traded on major exchanges like Nasdaq, Dow?
Which exchanges did you contacted ?
Thanks

This project will be like mutual funds yes. But more importantly we'll create fund management platform. Imagine a service where everyone can trade on it's own. In a transparent way. And then because of it's performance others can invest into your fund. And then you manage other people's money. It's a platform. Like Uber where everyone can be a "taxi" driver.

Nasdaq/Dow... in distant future perhaps yes. For now definitely not. Winklevoss twins are trying for year to regulate Bitcoin ETF and no luck so far. It's still too early.

We haven't directly contacted any exchange. Exchanges will be interested when they smell there will be lots of trading with ICN. Check our telegram https://telegram.org/iconomi
Some investment banking people are very talkative there:)
544  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 26, 2016, 04:08:34 PM


Thx for help with answer. I can confirm that.

Value of all the currencies will be determined on the last day of ICO. Shapeshift currencies will be converted to BTC and therefore their value will be based on value of BTC.
Same goes for EUR and USD as well.


Sorry to all for not being responsive for the past 12h. We were awake wednesday to thursday night. And we had to take some sleep. However, I'll go now over all unanswered question and answer them in the next few hours.

Will you come up with details, like value based on last day average or snapshot of last minute, based on which exchange etc? I'd strongly recommend to make that very clear now, otherwise there may be a shitstorm, depending on the last minute market movements.

Blog post about that will be published soon with clear picture of that. We are still discussing how to avoid sudden market moves. One of scenarious now it to have last day daily average on multiple exchanges. That is something that would avoid exact second pumping by someone.
545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 26, 2016, 03:40:55 PM
17. Are the investment funds going to be open for everyone to participate?

The ICONOMI.INDEX fund will be open to everyone, while the ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE fund will be by invitation only. However, ICONOMI ICO participants will be invited to the ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE fund.

 Huh If I only invest a small amount in the ICO and wish to add more at some other time, will I be able to add more to a CMF, or will I only be able to invest the original ico amount?

ie 1btc now 10btc later ?

There won't be any limit of how much to invest into ICO compared to how much anyone will be able to invest into ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE.

But if it turns out that too many investments wants to be invested into ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE (It will be limited with a reason. Because there will be limited investment opportunities for that fund) then we'll just have to prioritise it somehow. Then the ones with more investment into ICO should have slightly higher priority.
546  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 26, 2016, 03:18:17 PM
ICONOMI will make a bounty for social media like facebook,twitter,intagram,etc. or will not for bounty social media? i will waiting for announce, if there will be soon.

There are bounties for facebook and twitter. Instagram will not have bounties.

There is also BTT signature bounty. You can register here: https://docs.google.com/a/cashila.com/forms/d/1yMsVhmuQOFCeMmnaXySyZPbOyNynjJOyRyzQ1wkN2HU/edit
Newsletter bounties were running before ICO started and are closed now. We'll publish spreadhsheet today.
Twitter and Facebook will have live dashboard to see bounty rewards next week.
dev ! whether BTT different signature bounty with sig in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587823 for registration and regulation?

Those are two different bounty campaign. But both for signatures.

Facebook and Twitter bounties we are counting with the API. There is too much activity for manual work, so u can be sure it will be done proper! But next week Dashboard on ico.iconomi.net is coming out for bounties.
547  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 26, 2016, 01:35:33 PM
ICONOMI will make a bounty for social media like facebook,twitter,intagram,etc. or will not for bounty social media? i will waiting for announce, if there will be soon.

There are bounties for facebook and twitter. Instagram will not have bounties.

There is also BTT signature bounty. You can register here: https://docs.google.com/a/cashila.com/forms/d/1yMsVhmuQOFCeMmnaXySyZPbOyNynjJOyRyzQ1wkN2HU/edit
Newsletter bounties were running before ICO started and are closed now. We'll publish spreadhsheet today.
Twitter and Facebook will have live dashboard to see bounty rewards next week.
548  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 26, 2016, 01:29:11 PM
I'm having issue opening account, the un-responding script problem keeps popping up. Any solution to this

Sorry to hear that? What browser are you using? IE hasn't been really tested. Yesterday we had some JS issues, but these should be fixed by now. If you keep having issues write me at support (at) iconomi.net
549  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 26, 2016, 01:08:45 PM
And that last investment was a rather large one.  To see it go from 142k with 169 investors to 162k with 170 investors is impressive.  Someone believes!

Thank you. And number is still growing. Also we see surge of signature bounties applications.

And I can see some nice transactions on frequent basis coming in.
550  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 26, 2016, 10:04:37 AM
I'm not sure that my question from a few days ago was answered:
 
If I send LISK for the ICO, how will the value of the LISK be determined? Will it be based on current value? Value after ICO? Or will it be a fixed value? The same question goes for Ether as well (basically all non shapeshift coins) and bitcoin towards usd/eur too.



I asked the same question and it was answered. You can find it just a few posts back. The value of LISK will be determined on the last day of the ICO. I have to assume ETH will be the same process.

Thx for help with answer. I can confirm that.

Value of all the currencies will be determined on the last day of ICO. Shapeshift currencies will be converted to BTC and therefore their value will be based on value of BTC.
Same goes for EUR and USD as well.


Sorry to all for not being responsive for the past 12h. We were awake wednesday to thursday night. And we had to take some sleep. However, I'll go now over all unanswered question and answer them in the next few hours.
551  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 06:30:09 PM
Hello sir
Will ICN trade in platform only ? or using other exchange ? it would be nice if added to polo  Grin

It will definitely trade on other exchanges. Which one, we don't know yet.
Longer need to know which markets will.
no one exchange won't confirm that it will add token before launch of it

Very true! Some even explicitly deny even when they have it all ready for listing certain token. So there won't be any pre-annoucement about exchange listing.
552  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 05:37:34 PM
Hello sir
Will ICN trade in platform only ? or using other exchange ? it would be nice if added to polo  Grin

It will definitely trade on other exchanges. Which one, we don't know yet.
553  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 04:53:02 PM

Events  


I can't find any information about ICONOMI at the Pirate Summit. Is someone from your team listed with a different company reference? 


We might be registered as Cashila. We'll be there with our own booth. If you're around ur welcome to come around.
554  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
Hi, I am not clear what is the ICN token value. Example I send 1 btc to ICO adress and get somes ICN token back. Do it mean these ICN tokens valve are always at least 1btc?  if the ICN tokens market 's price is lower than 1btc, whether can I request ICONOMI fund to give back 1btc to me?


The total amount of ICN tokens you will receive per BTC will be known when ICO ends on 29th September and thus ICO price per token. After that market will determine via exchanges how much will each token gain or lose in value.
yes, the exchange will decide the ICN token price, but i want to know the ICN token inner value. what is the inner value of ICN token? Will 100% the ICN token represent 2000BTC value?  Who will the 2000BTC blong to ? The 100% ICN token holders or others?

2000 BTC is minimum meaning it can end at 2000 BTC or 20000 BTC no upper limit set only minimum. BTC will belong to ICONOMI team to develop, market and bring up the value of ICN tokens after ICO ends.

Are you looking to raise 2k btc in total value?  Or 2k btc plus the additional crypto-currencies and fiat you collect?

I think they are looking to raise around $1.2m altogether from all currencies which is around 2k BTC.

Thanks Bold.  Can i get a confirmation of this from the dev?  It may not even matter by the time it is said and done, but i would like to know before i invest this week.

We are looking to raise at least 2k BTC.

If we would raise less we would return 100% of the funds back to the investors as that would for sure not be sufficient to create products we envisioned.

However, the final market cap (raised amount) will be set by you and the other investors.
555  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 03:54:33 PM
I agree. How do you plan on bringing new investors to your funds?

There are several sales and marketing tools ready, one of them is for example referral program. Since operating costs are extremely low in comparison to funds from the old economy, referral incentives will be substantial. Of course, both funds will have good results and that will be the key marketing tool. Traditional marketing is planned too. But the key tool will be word of mouth - we should no forget we are talking about the platform. The owners of funds will do their marketing.
556  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 03:03:53 PM
When I need bread I go to bakery, when I need fast food I go to KFC for example.
Or like some one just doing some programming while no physical work has been done still getting paid because some one needed his work and willingly valued his work because he needed the program, OK.

In order for me to come to you and need your services when I want...... and need........?
Could you fill the dots?

I'm sorry if I'm dumb but I felt like maybe others wondering the same things.

Using your analogy.

When you need bread you go to bakery.
You could also buy ingredients and make that bread at home. This is how we invest now in crypto.

When you want to build a house you hire subcontractors. This is analogy of us.
But you could also buy material needed for house and build it yourself. But you would need to have time and experiences and be skilled at it. This is what community is now. This is how we do it.

But in order to get other people busy in their daily life and without sufficient understanding of "how" to do it we'll build financial services that will serve to people outside crypto to get into crypto.

They will need to know they want a "house". Maybe one with balcony or in different design and they will get just that.

I hope that answers your question.

Edit: ICONOMI will get paid for that service and will then distribute profits to cover our expanses and the rest of the profits we'll distribute as profits to ICN token holders.
557  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 02:52:52 PM
Hi, I am not clear what is the ICN token value. Example I send 1 btc to ICO adress and get somes ICN token back. Do it mean these ICN tokens valve are always at least 1btc?  if the ICN tokens market 's price is lower than 1btc, whether can I request ICONOMI fund to give back 1btc to me?



Price of ICN token will be defined by investors. In that case 1 BTC will be worth xx amount of ICN tokens.

You can not request to receive 1 BTC back during the ICO. After ICO you will receive corresponding amount of ICN tokens which you can convert back to BTC or more if price will appreciate on exchanges which will list ICN.
558  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 02:30:44 PM
Hi, I am not clear what is the ICN token value. Example I send 1 btc to ICO adress and get somes ICN token back. Do it mean these ICN tokens valve are always at least 1btc?  if the ICN tokens market 's price is lower than 1btc, whether can I request ICONOMI fund to give back 1btc to me?


The total amount of ICN tokens you will receive per BTC will be known when ICO ends on 29th September and thus ICO price per token. After that market will determine via exchanges how much will each token gain or lose in value.

Well, in this particular case, the value will be determined by the proficiency of the trading team as well as the market. There will be a baseline in price, because that is what you'll get out of Iconomi, should you decide to cash out. How much more the tokens value will be, will be determined by the performance of the traders.
Btw., do we know about their trading skills?

Best idea to understand our vision and understanding that the team knows what we're talking is to check whitepapers. Even if you just scan them:

https://www.iconomi.net/ICONOMI_Whitepaper.pdf
https://www.iconomi.net/CoinFundsWhitepaper.pdf  
559  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 01:44:17 PM
Is there an option to cash out? I mean, since the value of an ICN token is determined by the funds backing it, can I decide to "burn" my tokens in exchange for the money backing them (so basically like the DAO did)?
Obviously, I could sell them on the market and I'd expect the market price to be higher than the "cash-out" price anyway, but conceptually, it would make sense to have that option (even if it's bound to a waiting period or you can only cash out at certain times or something like that).

From FAQ

19. How and when will I be able to leave the ICONOMI funds?
You will be able to exit the investment funds at any time, 24/7, either by withdrawing your funds to a bank account or at an ATM with the ICONOMI debit card. You will also be able to sell tokens of CTF funds at exchanges that will list ICONOMI investment funds.

So this is also a refundable ICO like antshares? I don't understand this faq.19 well.

This is for ICONOMI funds.

ICO is non refundable. And the amlunt invested will give you ICN tokens.
560  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO NOW OPEN on: August 25, 2016, 01:31:41 PM
Congrats on the great start! Have you already been in contact with any exchanges? Poloniex would sure be great to have on the first day of trading Wink

Not directly. We are focusing on ICO now as much as possible. If it goes as well as planned and as it started hitting exchanges won't be a problem:)
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