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5421  Other / Politics & Society / Re: national minimum wage LAWS. good or bad? on: December 04, 2012, 03:19:36 AM
So we agree that minimum wage laws supporting a living wage are good and that business profitability is a complex issue that cannot be narrowed down to one issue like consumer demand. I would love to debate you live just to hear you shouting and ignoring my argument like you are now.

You don't have an argument. When you do, I'll respond to it.
Your contention is that a free market can exist simply because it can be shown "in theory."

Nope, not my argument at all. See, you can't even read, let alone compose an argument.

I second this.  cbeast has no argument and his behavior here demonstrates that he doesn't know how to compose an argument.

I'm adding him to my ignore list since his comments contribute little value to anyone, so I'd prefer not to be annoyed by them.
Is Hazek your Champion? Are you unable to form an opinion of your own? Obviously you did not read my response to the quote you included, so you don't pay attention to the thread discussion. Please do ignore me, I don't want to stoop down to your level.
5422  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Underground business... on: December 03, 2012, 09:14:28 PM
I was thinking of an underground business in The Shire. Grin
5423  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tick Tock Tick Tock on: December 03, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
As usual, the naysayers don't respond to the OP. Their tired old arguments don't stand up to 4 years of practice. Their fear is based upon imagined threats that have not come to pass.
5424  Economy / Speculation / Tick Tock Tick Tock on: December 03, 2012, 03:33:49 PM
This is for the naysayers and FUD spreaders. Bitcoin has survived its first halving and will soon see its fourth birthday. If you have been sitting on the fence waiting for Bitcoin to fail, time is running against you. The price may fluctuate slightly, or wildly, but it will go up up up. Apparently our good Bitizen Casascius will soon be bringing us an escrow tool. Bitcoincard is imminent. Mr. Andresen and team are charting a course for Bitcoin's future. All systems are go five squared. A confluence of development is emerging that will shake the global markets. Fear is not an option.
5425  Other / Politics & Society / Re: national minimum wage LAWS. good or bad? on: December 03, 2012, 03:14:16 PM
So we agree that minimum wage laws supporting a living wage are good and that business profitability is a complex issue that cannot be narrowed down to one issue like consumer demand. I would love to debate you live just to hear you shouting and ignoring my argument like you are now.

You don't have an argument. When you do, I'll respond to it.
Your contention is that a free market can exist simply because it can be shown "in theory."

Nope, not my argument at all. See, you can't even read, let alone compose an argument.
I don't see how "a market regulated entirely by consumption" isn't a free market, but replace that phrase and my argument stands.
5426  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Abby Gets Hot About Israeli War Crimes on: December 03, 2012, 03:11:13 PM
Incorrect. Hamas wishes to exterminate the jews. It's always been about jihad for islam.
That's a racist statement and doesn't belong on this forum.

Last time I checked hamas isn't a race. Neither is islam.


There are over a billion of them, so what's the difference if you believe it or not?
5427  Other / Politics & Society / Re: national minimum wage LAWS. good or bad? on: December 03, 2012, 03:06:28 PM
So we agree that minimum wage laws supporting a living wage are good and that business profitability is a complex issue that cannot be narrowed down to one issue like consumer demand. I would love to debate you live just to hear you shouting and ignoring my argument like you are now.

You don't have an argument. When you do, I'll respond to it.
Your contention is that a free market can exist simply because it can be shown "in theory." I get that. Some people say that when you die they imagine you become pasta sauce for the flying spaghetti monster, because it makes sense to them. I get that too. Arguing hypotheticals is baseless. A free market is nonsense because it is reification. You are imagining an intangible that cannot exist due to the complexities of the Universe. You cannot isolate a mathematical model proof of any sort (not even physics) and apply it to the Universe. Everything we know breaks down. Something as complex as human needs cannot be driven by a simple mathematical model. Even my hypothesis of creating artificial intelligence agents will not solve all human needs, but it will be a helluvalot more efficient than trusting people to make the best choices.
5428  Other / Politics & Society / Re: national minimum wage LAWS. good or bad? on: December 03, 2012, 02:29:27 PM
So we agree that minimum wage laws supporting a living wage are good and that business profitability is a complex issue that cannot be narrowed down to one issue like consumer demand. I would love to debate you live just to hear you shouting and ignoring my argument like you are now.
5429  Other / Off-topic / Re: Introduced bitcoin to a developer. on: December 03, 2012, 02:34:36 AM
I am a programmer and I am a "dreamer". So that is a very false statement and kinda insulting.

+1  Grin
A tissue for both of you for hurting your feelings. I guess you agree about not being able to tie your own shoelaces.  Wink
5430  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court rules taping police is a 1st Amendment right on: December 02, 2012, 03:04:38 PM
TO: statesattorney@cookcountyil.gov

Dear Miss Alvarez,

I was very pleased to read that you have lost your ill-conceived Supreme Court appeal seeking to destroy long established First Amendment protections for any citizens unfortunate enough to live under your oppressive jurisdiction.

Perhaps you should have taken your Oath of Office seriously and re-examined your poor understanding of the spirit and letter of the US Constitution, instead of wasting tax money on a fruitless quest to lick the jackboots of our nascent police state.

I honestly can't believe anyone with such terrible judgement and ignorance of the law could earn a legal degree, much less rise to an office of prominence!

You, Anita Alvarez, are a superb example of how race and gender based affirmative action are doing a disservice to our country by allowing eminently unqualified individuals such as yourself to occupy positions where your manifest incompetence becomes not only a waste of time and money, but threatens our very freedoms and liberties.

The McLean County State’s Attorney, Jason Chambers, made no such ridiculous mistake and thus will not suffer your humiliating embarrassment.  Of course Mr. Chambers is a white male who was required to work for his job qualifications, unlike you, a Hispanic female affirmative action baby of dubious intelligence and demonstrated hostility toward freedom of speech.

Good day Miss!

-iCEBREAKER

Too bad you screwed up a pretty good start with bigotry and failure to understand what affirmative action is.   Anita may be unqualified but affirmative action did not get her there, the voters did.  She was elected not elevated by a misguided law. 
Too his credit, he did attempt to provide evidence for his assertion. It is the evidence that is in question. This is only racist in the sense that race is the evidence offered. I wouldn't go with the racist card here, but I agree that he screwed up a good opportunity for sending a letter that could have addressed politicians that oppose the right to self expression.
5431  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Abby Gets Hot About Israeli War Crimes on: December 02, 2012, 02:53:41 PM
First the population that harbors terrorists is nearly as much a part of the problem as the terrorists themselves.

And the civilian deaths are what makes people pissed off enough to become terrorists, repeat ad nauseum.

Incorrect. Hamas wishes to exterminate the jews. It's always been about jihad for islam.
That's a racist statement and doesn't belong on this forum.
5432  Other / Politics & Society / Re: national minimum wage LAWS. good or bad? on: December 02, 2012, 01:38:33 PM
Yes, I am not able to make inductive arguments based upon assumptions.

I agree, so far from my reading of what you've said, you clearly aren't able to do so.

hazek is talking to you about what a free market can accomplish.  You deny what he says simply based on a claim that "a free market is a myth".  If you actually understood argumentation, you would know that your response is entirely nonsequitorial -- it doesn't actually argue anything that disproves what hazek said.  That is to say: you are not even talking with him, you're talking past him.

So, how about responding to the aaaaaaaaaargument? www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLODu02R_gA&feature=youtu.be&t=17m13s

Heh I don't think he will get it. I actually see this happen all the time. People make an assumption they think is fact but no one really conceded to that and then they draw conclusions based on it.

cbeast assumes that because we haven't had something in the past, we can't have it in the future. He thinks such an assumption is fact when in reality it's completely wrong. Anything new, any political system, philosophy, or basic goods or services, ANYTHING you want to pick that we have to today, we can point to a time in the past when they were just a "crazy" theory. So not only is he making the mistake to think I conceded to his assumption, but the assumption is false.

Saying a market regulated strictly by consumption i.e. a free market is "Utter nonsense!" because we haven't had a pure macro economic example yet is fallacious precisely because the fact that haven't had something yet is irrelevant.

Now this is no way means that the counter argument of it being possible is automatically true, it just means it's not false for that reason. We can then look at micro examples and see if we can detect elements of such markets on a smaller scale to get an idea of whether or not it could be possible. And anyone who honestly examines the world can find plenty of examples in their own personal life where they are a participant in a market that is regulated strictly by consumption (such as dating, buying bread..) which I'd argue is a very good indicator that it is possible on a macro level as well.

But of course all of this is above his head so what I'm doing here is really talking to everyone who is interested and can understand this.
This is like talking about religion. I know that you have a hypothesis that CA can create a free market. I just think you are setting your sights too low. Markets are not theory. It reminds me of the scene with Rodney Dangerfield in "Back to School" discussing widgets in a business lecture. The theory of a free market is like listening to creationists using entropy as a reason against evolution in order to promote their religion. Things are far too complex to even care about a free market. I'm just trying to help. Go ahead and worship whatever you want. I look at Bitcoin as a transitional step toward breaking civilization away from the crutch of money and create artificial intelligent agents. Only technology promotes progress.
5433  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we deal with an internet blackout? on: December 02, 2012, 12:00:37 AM
I know there's been some discussion on this at various sources but what are the latest strategies to prepare for, and deal with this type of scenario? Specifically, what are the specific actions that one can take so he can continue to transact with bitcoin?

Before this can be answered, you need to define the question properly.

"How do we deal with an internet blackout?"

How would you define 'dealing' in this context, and what do you define as 'internet' and more specifically, what do you define as 'an internet blackout'.

We need precise questions to be able to answer them, or else we need to make assumptions that may be quite different from what you originally had in mind.

The reason you should define it more clearly is that 'The Internet' itself is designed especially for the purpose of never 'blacking out'. Redundant routes is what ensures this, and even if a country has shut down their internet, access could be possible through satellite.

And in a situation where a mesh net is used, the state could have special police with equipment searching for and punishing participants in such a network.


Holy fuck you are a paranoid little bitch today! Jesus, if we have to worry about Nazis hiding under the bad, we have bigger problems than how we pay for our pizza.
5434  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: jgarzik goes berzerk in #bitcoin-dev, wtf? on: December 01, 2012, 11:56:58 PM
Bitcoin is a little like the Manhattan Project if it were open sourced. The banksters think they have the ultimate financial weapons in derivatives, but they don't know the power of cryptonium. As long as we keep talking with big words and avoid the scary words used by pundits, we should stay off their radar.
5435  Economy / Economics / Re: USD is backed by the fact that IRS only accepts it for taxes... on: December 01, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
Which USD? There have been many versions backed in many ways. Some are no longer legal tender. There was once a time when the US government was in the same position Bitcoin is now. Nobody was interested in a central currency. Getting a nation to accept a currency is not a matter of authority, but the will of the People.
5436  Other / Off-topic / Re: Should I join Facebook? on: December 01, 2012, 11:11:28 PM
Nobody under 40 should use FB. Wait until you already have no life.
5437  Other / Off-topic / Re: You believe in god on: December 01, 2012, 10:54:09 PM
Love is finding that the neural and algorithmic connections between thought centers are synergistically augmented by air-gapped external devices.
5438  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we deal with an internet blackout? on: December 01, 2012, 10:29:32 PM
I think this is something that bitcoincard will address. Only one card in the ad-hoc network would need access to an internet connected node. It could be land-line, wireless, or even satellite based.
5439  Economy / Economics / Re: Fiscal cliff, what good could come from it? on: December 01, 2012, 09:10:57 PM
5440  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the life we live today worth what it took to get here ? on: December 01, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
This is what comes to mind with Indian suffering. This is a few minutes from my house. The registered tribal members must be 1/32 verifiably descended from any indian nation. They then qualify for free health care and many get a free brick home, mostly from casino proceeds. Some tribes even get a generous stipend. They are not exactly suffering.
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