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5441  Economy / Economics / Re: finding investors on: April 08, 2019, 04:15:21 PM
Bitcoin investors do exist; however, the attitude should not be that different from "fiat investors" if we talk about real corporations. For example, Roger Ver --I know that he brings so much negativity and his behavior is so unethical after BCH, but I need to mention him for the sake of this argument-- is one of the first people who built businesses from bitcoin and invested in many bitcoin-based businesses.

It would be best if you have a good business plan, MVP, and a legal entity from the beginning. If you do not have that, consider using the bootstrap method. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bootstrap.asp
I do not recommend using crowdfunding or ICO since you might have a legal problem in the future.

If all go as planned, you can be more comfortable to attract investors in some blockchain event.
5442  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apa Kabar Lightning Network? on: April 08, 2019, 10:42:55 AM
Contoh Address Lightning Network :
Code:
lnbc30u1pw2kg8fpp56neap8gf5gfsd06hl0llhchw9hp8shhttnz75ky2u4xz6nwmsxdqdp62phkcmr0vejk2epwvdhk6gpdypcxz7fqw3hjqen9v4jzqcmgd93kketwwvxqzjccqp2cd25thp8x0yq6ltlf858rp39wdyuxqvdcnpympd6y95cnwhm48cy2f27kyap83mgxkqmdjw8g4fwhp3kxafedxj29m6zk6z0hcm07asq9xe8hc

P2PK Roll EyesJust Kidding, Dah Basi
Address Roll Eyes Jangan goblok! (just kidding)
Lightning network gak pakai address. Adanya invoice:
Quote
These invoices specify various parameters of the payment you will make except for the amount itself. It provides the information necessary to route a payment to the recipient.
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/73472/what-is-the-address-format-of-a-lightning-network-address

Contoh invoice, kalau mau kirim BTC ke ane:
Code:
lnbc1pw2kfgnpp5jge5dy5u40n3crxxjr5x720cpc5tq3llavx4edgymvx362zuvt8sdpc235hqurfdcsyka2zd9eku6t6yq58g6tswp5kutndv55jsaf3x5unxwffcqzpgxqyz5vqe32w3mn2nazkjj6xv3n9l645m2n7x5jz8hl74tf5tgdz4e2xucw9ednjtmkvhuh6969e09ye72qf4w2wcu54294s7tzg6xckg36egvcq22cv42



5443  Economy / Economics / Re: what makes us good investors. on: April 08, 2019, 08:22:10 AM
Are you speaking in respect to an investor or a trader?
Yeah, now people think if they buy cryptocurrency, they will become an investor. I remember how @theymos used the phrase "investor" as an April fools badge last week. To become an old school investor (not trader or speculator), you should know the company that you want to invest. Study its prospectus: business plan, financial statements, organization chart/structure, and other business variables.

Capital gain is not the only motive though. Some investors also want stable profit sharing.
5444  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apa Kabar Lightning Network? on: April 08, 2019, 07:04:24 AM
BTW Itu Node Yang Online Apa Yang Ada?
Node yang available/online saat snapshot/skrinsut.

ada yg bisa kasih contoh alamat addressnya?
klo legacy 1
segwit 3
Coba main-main ke sini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4459504.0

Dari 1 privkey (compressed) bisa dibuat 3 jenis address:

Code:
WIF: KyBsPXxTuVD82av65KZkrGrWi5qLMah5SdNq6uftawDbgKa2wv6S
P2PKH: 14cxpo3MBCYYWCgF74SWTdcmxipnGUsPw3
P2SH-P2WPKH: 3Aj3og72RnL8MMRwKFDKJNdrnZ4SPgYQD7
BECH32-P2WPKH: bc1qy76cjxcpmgkmwnx7z6y6j732e03r6ha3wqfasl
5445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Who will win the smart contracts competition? on: April 08, 2019, 02:31:56 AM
Right now I'm thinking EOS could very well challenge Ethereum for smart contract dominance during the next crypto boom.
Too bad that Ethereum 1.0 cannot function properly. ETH camp desperately needs Ethereum 2.0 with much faster performance if they want to challenge EOS (and TRON). Just look at https://dappradar.com/ to see who is the real winner.
5446  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apakah cryptocurrency benar benar sebagai satuan yang tidak akan bisa diretas? on: April 08, 2019, 02:00:46 AM
lalu apakah jika terjadi peretasan atas cryptocurrency itu adalah murni kesalahan dari exchanger.
Yang diretas apanya nih gan? Apakah Exchange-nya atau cryptocurrency-nya? Apakah private key, smart contract, atau database di server exchange-nya itu sendiri? Peretasan itu luas lingkupnya dan lokasi serangannya bisa bermacam-macam.

Cryptocurrency adalah sebuah digital aset yang berkerja dalam suatu sistem yang dinamakan Blockchain dengan menganut sifat desentralisasi
Cryptocurrency secara definisi hanyalah mata uang digital yang menggunakan teknik kriptografi. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cryptocurrency
Tidak semua mata uang kripto menggunakan blockchain, tidak semuanya juga menganut prinsip desentralisasi. Coba lihat XRP, IOTA, Stellar, dll., masuk ke klasifikasi yang mana Cheesy

Bisa saja, Tapi selama saya mengenal/belajar mengenai crypto sampai saat ini belum menemukan berita mengenai kasus hacked exchange yang disebabkan oleh karyawannya sendiri.
Kalau berita sih banyak ya, tapi ane tidak tahu yang benar bagaimana (malas update).
https://www.google.com/search?q=cryptocurrency+exchange+hack+insider+job
5447  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling turn an atheist to theist and superstitious? on: April 07, 2019, 12:04:18 PM
I do not think that gamblers should pray to God because God hates gamble. Therefore in most religion, it is forbidden to gamble. I think you should pray to the satan and do some dark ritual instead. Perhaps, you could sell your soul in return of wealth, but I do not recommend it.

PS: there is no real god, satan, and dark ritual. It is just imaginary things.
5448  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Crawford vs Khan on: April 07, 2019, 11:11:49 AM
This thread now become a discussion about Amir's chin Cheesy
"China chin" or "glass jaw" is only a phrase to describe boxers who cannot get hit too much. It is in their genetics. That is why African and Mexican fighter dominates the sport.
5449  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who really owns "money" on: April 07, 2019, 03:09:24 AM
Well the monetary system is a giant scam that is run by a small group
May I ask who?

Well, throughout history, rich people always have the biggest pile of gold (money at that moment). Then the government issued a paper bill (dollar) which is backed by gold. At that time, rich people still own a considerable portion of the money and still feel safe.

The problem started in Nixon's era. Rich people then need to have control of the government to secure their wealth. It's not a scam per se, in my opinion, only an unfair system created because of corruption.
5450  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: {Facts} Benefits of promoting (joining) a quality paid signature campaign. on: April 07, 2019, 02:24:03 AM
Congratulations mate. In my case i join the forum since 2017 but January this year was the first time I started receiving payment via signature and today was the biggest. I believed just like the early users, in years (5-10yrs) to come we'll be the ones telling the stories of how earning via signature was fun and profitable in our time because there's every possibility that the satoshi and USD value of bitcoin via payment will reduce within time.
Hello, I decided to leave a reply here instead of on the Meta board one. That's correct that promoting quality BTC campaign (not altcoins) is more beneficial because you will get paid on time, and the work also did not include any shenanigans. For example, one campaign asks the participant to do day trading for two weeks.

I'm tired of playing with the altcoin bounty at the moment. Too many scams and broken promises in altcoin bounties. Yes, not all of them are, but it is more like gambling than simple due diligence.
5451  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is following the same path of 2017 on: April 07, 2019, 01:21:41 AM
I don't think the level of hype is similar to 2017. In 2017, many people from the outside of the crypto community bought cryptocurrency for the first time in their life. This kind of hype needs more energy to build momentum.
But if BTC could reach another ATH, of course, I have nothing to complain Smiley
5452  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Apakah IEO Masa Depan Baru ? on: April 07, 2019, 12:56:19 AM
disitu saya tidak menjelaskan tentang harga token setelah listing di pertukaraan
Ya ente memang tidak menjelaskan, dan pertanyaan ane tentang harga juga bukan buat ente, tetapi buat yang komeng-komeng tentang harga.

jika tujuan ente mendapatkan ROI cepat mending main Hyip, ponzi atau MLM tapi saya tidak menjamin itu dapat bertahan secara berkelanjutan.
What? Saran sampah macam apa ini?

No thanks and have a nice life! Smiley
Bye~
5453  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apakah mungkin suatu saat nanti bitcoin menjadi tidak berharga [dead coin] ? on: April 06, 2019, 02:02:49 PM
Kalau saya analisa, pernyataan anda sedikit kontradiksi.
Nah, ini kalau ane lihat ada tendensi manusia untuk menjawab "Ya" atau "Tidak" padahal sebenarnya pertanyaan ini kalau dipikir lagi bukanlah pertanyaan yang biner. Agan-agan bisa menjawab dengan pernyataan "tidak tahu" dengan alasan logis bahwa tidak ada seorang pun yang tahu akan masa depan.

Bahkan satu hari dari sekarang pun, tidak ada yang tahu dengan pasti apa yang akan terjadi pada bumi ini.

Hal ini lebih logis daripada menjawab dengan:
untuk bitcoin kedepan, mati jelas tidak

kemudian dilanjutkan dengan pernyataan yang berlawanan:
selama bitcoin tidak tergantikan oleh yang lebih mumpuni

Pernyataan "tidak tahu" bukan berarti agan-agan kurang pintar, tapi bisa terjadi malah karena sebaliknya, terlalu banyak variabel yang sudah agan perhitungkan yang kemudian menghasilkan kesimpulan yang inkonklusif. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/inconclusive
5454  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apa Kabar Lightning Network? on: April 06, 2019, 01:47:29 PM
Hmmm... Bitcoin Node Aja Cuman Ada 3 Di Indonesia(Yg Open Port)
Apalagi Lightning Network, Yang Notabene Teknologi Baru.
Set Node LN Juga Agak Sulit.
Kan tidak harus jadi node kalau mau pakai LN gan, bisa pakai custodial wallet seperti https://tippin.me/ dan https://bluewallet.io/

Namun secara sudut pandang begini bahasanya “Jaringan akan terpusat di sekitar beberapa hub besar karena ini adalah model yang paling efisien. Sentralisasi ini meningkatkan risiko kegagalan sistemik saluran, yaitu ketika beberapa saluran besar gagal lalu menghasilkan eksodus massal secara bersamaan dari saluran transaksi (pembayaran) dan kemacetan on-Chain (rantai) untuk memastikan bahwa beberapa tidak dapat keluar dari saluran-hub sebelum hal kedaluwarsa“
Kalau ane melihatnya sama seperti kasus mining yang mula-mula bisa solo mining, tapi akhirnya ada mining pool... di mana setiap orang masih bisa mining sendiri tapi akan lebih efisien kalau mining beramai-ramai. Di sini konsepnya bisa diterapkan pada dompet kustiodial (asalkan ada pembagian keuntungan dari routing fee). Mungkin nantinya bisa ke arah sana daripada membuka channel sendiri.
5455  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Apakah IEO Masa Depan Baru ? on: April 06, 2019, 01:34:23 PM
Fakta menunjukan bahwa 80% Initial coin offering (ICO) scam dan beberapa lain dari mereka hanya merupakan janji untuk pengembangan platform.
Ini fakta bersumber dari mana gan?

By the way,

Daftar Platform Exchanger IEO (Initial Exchange Offering)
Quote
No.Exchanger
Platform IEO
1.Binance
Binance Launchpad
2.Bittrex
International Bittrex
3.Huobi
Huobi Prime
4.Okex
OK Jumpstart
5.Kucoin
KuCoin Spotlight
Exchange yang tercantum meskipun melakukan due diligence tapi kalau exchange-nya sendiri mencurigakan ya sama saja bohong dong. Kemarin kasus P&D Tron dan BitTorrent juga sempat tercium baunya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9kqxCz1SYs

Tapi secara umum koin di IEO nanti lebih mahal ya kalau sudah diperdagangkan?
5456  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [Q&A][TIPS] Seputar Bounty/Airdrop Di Sini on: April 05, 2019, 04:10:32 AM
Belakangan sepertinya Initial Exchange Offering (IEO) mulai menggantikan Initial Coin Offering (ICO) ya? Apakah memang koin-koin yang ditawarkan pada IEO lebih berkualitas daripada ICO? Apakah nantinya bounty akan mulai mempromosikan IEO? Maaf ane sudah jarang mengamati altcoin jadi kurang update dengan dinamika IEO ini.

*Mau tanya masalah ini gak tau ke trit mana, yasudah cuma trit ini yang terlintas di benak ane.

Edit: sudah ada di https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123598.0
5457  Other / Meta / Re: Does anyone here make a living off the forums? on: April 05, 2019, 03:38:35 AM
Today is the first time I got decent payment for BTC signature campaign (thanks @Hhampuz). With this amount of payment, I'm pretty sure that someone will make a good living in my country. The BTC economy is real dude!

As for me, "sadly" I already have a full job.
5458  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: It's smerit(sendable merit) not kmerit(keepable merit) on: April 05, 2019, 03:15:19 AM
A newbie is someone that have just 1merit and that means the user have just 0.5 sMerit so how can we spend when a minimum of 1sMerit is required for the transaction to successfully go through. We can not spend what we do not have.
If you cannot comprehend "give more to receive more" then there is nothing I can do for you, sorry. In fact, this quote also applies in real life because many religions and thought leaders echoed the very same idea.
5459  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: It's smerit(sendable merit) not kmerit(keepable merit) on: April 04, 2019, 06:26:19 AM
It is always good to give merit point, and not "hoarding" it. But for me (maybe you could count me as a senior), it also difficult to find good quality posts. Sometimes people have mistaken good quality posts with posts that comply with their opinion. I like when my sMerit goes to 0, but it took a lot of effort, and I assume merit source also had a similar difficulty.

And for newbies, you will receive more when you spend more. Start spending smerits! Smiley
5460  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apakah mungkin suatu saat bitcoin akan tidak memiliki harga lagi [dead coin] ? on: April 04, 2019, 05:50:32 AM
Akankah bitcoin menjadi tidak berharga lagi?
Agan akan mendapatkan berbagai jawaban yang bergantung dari motivasi seseorang:

(1) Bagholder: Tidak mungkin Bitcoin akan jadi tidak berharga.
> Biar pada beli dan si bagholder bisa nge-dump Bitcoin.

(2) Korban FOMO dan P&D: Bitcoin akan jadi tidak berharga.
> Sudah butthurt gara-gara dulu rugi bandar beli di harga atas, dan jual di harga bawah.

(3) Akademisi kolot: Bitcoin akan jadi tidak berharga.
> Soalnya dari teori klasik, instrumen seperti Bitcoin itu tidak valid.

(4) Akademisi open-minded: Gak tau, silahkan kalau mau investasi dengan uang nganggur (nothing to lose)
> Meskipun dari tidak valid dari sudut pandang teori klasik, tetapi terbuka dengan perkembangan jaman. Toh orang-orang dulu percaya kalau bumi itu datar sebelum tahu bahwa bumi itu sebenarnya bulat.

Terserah agan percaya yang mana Smiley
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