@Pseudo-Random: Great point about the sigcampaigners, rare to acknowledge the situation yet also to note the shitposting of this thread to irrelevance for months. Only one or two of them I even know as active users at BV, and those guys actually not once shitposted here about LL. I actually think Zodiac/LL should commission a study to find if there's been any impact since pausing the campaign. My money's on that it actually improved after.

Hope you're well, curious what you've been up to.

I never quite understood that either, giving someone else money to invest in something you could easily do yourself for better rates. If it was about interest, BTC's volatility simply doesn't make sense for that model.

Fully expecting Saylor to be announcing doubling down or tripling down on buys at this bargain price... I mean he's got to not look like he changed his mind, assuming he's cut from that cloth like all wealthy people putting money where their mouth are.

@slaman Totally get the need for you to catch up but yeah man, haven't you been paying attention to all the talks that come up about Valencia every now and then and how they've lost us money time and time again? Haha but what a game it was too, though, wasn't it? I still don't enjoy Spanish football as much as English or even Italian (in recent seasons anyway) and you'd have to be a cynic to enjoy Atletico's style but it's still pleasurable to watch this kind of game at some point especially after drab EPL games.

Leicester and Valencia. Serial chokers.

Nicely done on Cadiz toma, they're doing a Norwich, aren't they? You're right, on Superbru the Cadiz game is still marked "Live". And on EPL page I should have lost my lead to tumi, but it still shows me at top. Very weird!

One of my favourites when Nuno didn't get pressured into changing tactics this season, but since he left they seem to have found their way again. It's not that they're not exciting to watch, just the way they seem to have built for themselves a brickwall in final third. But yes, great value bets on them for now, thanks to their seeming inability to score (and yet still do).

@Joca: most of us did badly. I am noting that there are quite a few others taking more risks like rdbase now, and the weekly board shows this up quite well. I was a bit adventurous with picks and paid dearly (predicting 3 goals for United, City, Villa, Leeds) and then all of them scoring one or none. I have not been moved to change my stance today though.

Nadal at 7/1 before Djoko was out to me was the best bet I'd have taken BUT I decided to go for Tsitsipas at 18/1 instead -- I think the odds reflected people thinking his injury would get in the way but he's reached 2 semis here and I know he wants to do better while the world's bests aren't at their best right now. Glad @aoluain agrees the Greek as an outsider. I like my chances like that.

Yeah he was a long time favourite, but not by much initially. I think the highest odds I saw for him on Stake was 1.91, which is why I mentioned I'd been waiting for it to go all the way up to 2/1 for an even doubler.

Unfortunately, I guess heavy betting on him kept reducing the odds, hence the value, so I literally swung to Ngannou just for the odds.

Too bad we didn't get the triple win as this was a unanimous decision. You guys at Stake must still be happy!

I've definitely been doing a hell lot more "random" than planned for Serie A and La Liga and it's weirdly working out for me now after 20+ matchdays. But then it's not really random if you kind of know the teams even without really following the leagues right? For example, for me, random means backing the home team more regularly than the away team if they're not a big name team (to me). Or picking a draw when the last 5 games form for both teams is very similar (and so easy to use Superbru for that).

I think it all comes down to style. If your style suits prediction, better to stick to it. If not, better go random. My style of planning is awful for these types of pools, and I know it's only halfway through the season but I'm super happy with how it's all turning out so far just putting picks on favourites and instinctive scoring. This season I'm literally taking less than 1 minute to put my entire week's picks in, and in fact most of my picks for all 3 leagues are done a week ahead, if not more.

Last season, I was doing all kinds of calculations, especially for premier league, and then calculating in upsets, and putting in scores looking at odds for Correct Score market, who's injured, who's playing etc.

Now I'm just: fck it, a favourite doesn't stop becoming a favourite even if they change their style and team. And it pays off to still make the odd mistake anyway as even when Atalanta didn't win like last night, or the game before, no one else backed them to not win anyway.

You know there's always one or two teams after mid season you should never bet on. in EPL, that's become Chelsea. I wonder if it's become Atalanta for Serie A...

So I was asking for upset picks and not a single person here or anywhere guessed there would be 2 last night, and one knocking out tourney favourites too. Sadly, my Packers journey ends here. Killing not only my outright but additional bets placed using them as supposed acca padding.

After MLB, NFL bow outs, I think I will be limiting my bets to pure outrights next season haha.

Phew, I'm still dizzy from the special treat we had from Atletico! Was sitting pretty at 21 until 1st minute injury time... then our pals from Madrid put two away in 2 minutes. Can't say they didn't deserve this, and it was a real treat to see.

Hard to even really get angry when it busts like this, honestly, right guys?

*sad gurgling noises

Thanks for yet another answer to the question I've been asking a lot as someone still new to MMA and in UFC I haven't been able to find out for certain despite responses above.

Was sure someone here would be able to point me to the rules clarifying this but I guess it's different for UFC and other types of MMA? The allowed use of the cage for height momentum to me seems logical, great to know, feels like I need to watch more to understand why not more people use it!

Anyway, let's hope we get some all-the-way fights that get us some new cage scenes

Norwich sucker punch, followed by a Toons sucker punch from Jonjo Shelvey, and then Rashford gets back to back goals after a drought to snatch a final-min win, Wolves scoring more than 1 goal... crazy day and I have to say, my bets are in absolute tatters. Got nothing to live for now except specials haha...

Anyone know why the drone incident postponed Brentford game so long? Just got home and could only read about it.

Edit: okay VAR chalked it off but if not, Wolves scoring THREE goals again would have made this day weirder. And did I say Rashford back-to-back was crazy? Try Adama Traore... I guess fate didn't want to push its luck today


You sure went back some pages to retrieve this haha. But you know, I'm a stubborn little gambler and still asking and prodding around for a treble offer for me on Liverpool.

We're the only team to ever sit atop the league on Christmas and not go on to win. I would love City to join us in creating such hallowed, such exclusive company.

Pity we only meet them in April, but well, maybe it's best.

And there will be plenty like me (I think/hope) who will already now be switching down gears and trying to buy more than sell. I earn rather than buy but I always try to touch less and less BTC and just invoice more in stablecoin during bearish periods --  in effect adding to my BTC and liquidating stablecoins.

Because you're right. People won't forget the next halving's coming, regardless of how the market turns out next few months.

Actually, I just checked on odds now that I'm fully awake today and not at the end of Friday City next play hammers all the way in May, when the title is likely to be decided by then. The penultimate game of the season, in fact. Today they take on Southampton instead, so I know where my money is (always against City).

You would never lose money if you bet equal amounts against them every game -- true as of 2017 =D

Not a lover of Saylor, but the way he's been acting with his buys says anything but him keen to think in short term. Antsy doesn't at all feel like an option for someone who knowingly bought during a rally. You don't make those statement buys thinking of one or two years, or even one cycle (of about 4 years).


Am sure MS is prepared to take hits on two or three running years even. As long as they keep buying, they'll get their dues after the next halving rally.

Tesla still in profit today, amazing!

Hey r a r e: it's me Sojourner/buwaytress. I've only just caught up with a lot of stuff here now, reading about Badger (which, well, seems really really sad honestly if true but I hold my judgment). It wasn't even for such a huge sum too, doesn't seem like worth the trouble to me =\

Site does appear to be offline as you say, Cloudflare issues, but I've seen this before as well.

The timing's definitely interesting, though this thread's been really full of shitposts for the last few months. I had almost nothing left in here, invests were pulled out as I usually do every few months, but still a modest sum of BTC I'd have preferred to have back.

You active on this forum?

And we're not that far off from 29k. Another couple of consecutive days of Bitcoin shedding 5% and it'll easily lead to another sell-off tranche, and then we'll be breaking 30k, and it's anybody's guess where we'll end up when that cliff's broken off.

I don't really believe in patterns but the belief that we'll never revisit an old ATH from a previous cycle on the way down from a current cycle is one I've rather superstitiously held on to. Going sub 20k would be hard for me to comprehend for a while.

Same here. DCA feels really difficult to do at first as a newcomer, can't help but keep looking at total price, and if you happen to have the "bad luck" of starting at the decline of a cycle, it can feel particularly hopeless to keep seeing total value drop even after many consecutive periods of DCA.

The thing I tell people who do worry about war in Ukraine, China trade wars, Pandemic, etc... is that these would anyway affect whatever asset it is you'd be holding. Black Monday in March 2020 proved this. Even in the most conservative of approaches, having Bitcoin spreads out the risk.

So for me, it's less about being in Bitcoin because we're going to keep getting supercycles, but because it's long-term pay off for the dollars you'll keep putting in.

What's eating at me right now is that ATH was barely 10 weeks ago and we've already lost almost 50%. I was prepared for a downfall, sure, but I was almost certain we'd reached a point where Bitcoin wasn't going to get all supercycle again (no more 10 x parabolic move up), before falling on the sword for extreme crashes. So the "slow" 20k to almost 70k suited me.

But this unwinding at speed, certainly January anyway, seems to suggest you're right after all, Bitcoin's still a cycle asset and in decline now -- but 20k surely has to be the floor for me. If Bitcoin were to break that floor, then we'd also have a first time for Bitcoin to go below an ATH set in the previous cycle.

Not sure I know what to do with the implications of that.

@TimeLord2067: Do they have Whovians playing ladies tennis? I don't dislike the dark side at all, just rarely see any interesting odds though Trofo winning on Osaka getting dumped out proves I need to look harder. (Good luck to you on your Anisimova outright Trofo. Checked out odds myself but I don't seem to have as good as you got, so skipping).

@Kemarit: Fritz made it hard on himself today, huh. Did your handicap get this to a win?

I myself woke up to find my outright pick Tsitsi also made it through. Wasn't a clean game but I'll take a 4-set game any time of day.

Thanks for the words, KTC. I haven't been updating this thread much, which is a shame here and there as I've made some good accas along the way (overall I've had a bad year in nett losses, but actually losing because of mess of favourites). Anyway, Chelsea did NOT make for a happy ending. But we've got Saints today and did I ever say I love going against City?

100 units at Fairlay on Southampton to WIN vs Man City @11.26. Other odds: 10.60
Units advantage: 66