I am currently holding the following funds on behalf of the following persons/groups within BCT:

Wallet	Amount	Who for?
1KnownMk3gj3DnxLnU9sazk6Lnpj8DoEWa		Known Alts thread
1KNoWNMK34nGWz2sJy1JzihZdLCGTKcziw		Known Alts thread
1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6		Known Alts thread

Total amount held by me BTC 0.000 which is valued at

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Signed messages:

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I will keep thread locked but will update thread with new posts whenever any transactions out of these wallet addresses occurs.

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House keeping:

• 28/Sep/2019 - updated text total being held by me from BTC 0.017975 to BTC 0.019
• All funds were donated to the Bruno appeal.  I am not currently holding any funds of anyone in the forum.

I've just PM'ed you.

I'm trying to choose my words carefully here.

I appreciate your offer, it's not the outcome I wanted in so far as who handed over the donated funds. However, it then becomes an issue between you and Lutpin (or not as you choose) to recover the donated funds that he is holding.

I created two donation addresses 1KNoWNMK34nGWz2sJy1JzihZdLCGTKcziw and 1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6 that I've previously posted, are you meaning that you want a third wallet address?

Would you want those funds to be held in that wallet address until such time as the members of the known alts thread ask that they be distributed, or, would you be ok with them being moved sideways into one of the two wallet addresses stated just above.  (I only ask so that I can organise a wallet address according to your wishes.)

I'll hold off responding any further to the previous posts until you've had a chance to respond.

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For the record, I believe Lutpin is holding the donation funds against money he is owed by mexxer-2 and that any notion that Lutpin makes that he and mexxer-2 are going to sit down and discuss the distribution of donation funds is simply lip service by Lutpin in the hope that I will go away.

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I'm going to be away for almost three days, but will try to look in while I'm on the road.

[quote author=Quickseller link=topic=5157840.msg51585799#msg51585799 date=1561389496]
I think it was pretty clear what the intention of the donation address was for.

Being that the thread has been closed for quite some time now, it is probably best to distribute the donations as per the terms of how he said they would be distributed.

At this time I am not supporting the flag.
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Lutpin has given two differing versions of how he would distribute the funds, one that it is for administering the thread list, the other for who contributed the most.  As @LoyceV's list shows the tally is not matching the OP of the Mk I thread.

In any case I have previously stated:

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg50887271#msg50887271 date=1556933804]
*IF* people were ok with me holding any donation funds I have an idea of using said funds to bid on a slot in the semi weekly advertising spot below the first post on a page to advertise the Known Alt thread to a wider audience.

I don't feel giving pennies to a couple of dozen people, or proportionally a dollar to one person and nickels and dimes to a handful of others based on the number of posts is the way to go.
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and I also said:

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51506691#msg51506691 date=1560831926]
(snip)

As to the remaining donation funds, I actually don't want any; I've said as much a few pages back.  But, I'd appreciate it if Lutpin could delve into the logic mexxer-2 and he used to arrive at their determination who got how much?

So, let's start with an easy question:  As I am listed as in second place on mexxer-2's list, how come identical funds were distributed to me and presumably Joel_Jantsen, whywefight and mexxer-2?  You state the donations are for taking the time to review, but it looks like you based the payment on yourself being out in front...   

My follow up question concerning mexxer-2 is if he's owed you money for at least two years,



How are you planing to have a discussion with mexxer-2 about how to distribute the remaining funds?  Are you also planing on creating a Flag to recover the funds mexxer-2 owes you?

(snip)
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See also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.msg13920280#msg13920280 post by Lutpin.

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[quote author=marlboroza link=topic=5157840.msg51587325#msg51587325 date=1561397331]
Lutpin said to Timelord that he will send them their share which timelord refused IIRC and created tag type 3.
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Wrong.

I have provided Lutpin with a wallet address which he used in this TX.  There are also the two Known Alt donation addresses as well as my signed wallet address in my signature and my donation address in my signature also.

Are you sure you're reading my posts?


Please show me where it has been established Lutpin's account has been hacked? (more than two years ago ??  I'm sure someone would have noticed by now)

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[quote author=The Pharmacist link=topic=5157840.msg51587411#msg51587411 date=1561397898]
[quote author=LFC_Bitcoin link=topic=5157840.msg51587110#msg51587110 date=1561396196]
Lutpin went rogue a long time ago.<snip>
[/quote]What you wrote is true, but after reading this thread I've got way more information than I had before about the donations and such.  I wasn't even aware there were any before Timelord2067's accusation.  If he distributes them now, all would be well, right?  If they were for a thread that's locked or inactive and not the new thread(s), why is anyone holding anything at this point?

I'm not supporting this flag right now.
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Thank you for your post.

Naturally I would not have started a thread if Lutpin had simply distributed the donation funds, however his last post in the know alts thread was:

[quote author=Lutpin link=topic=2544574.msg51543085#msg51543085 date=1561085120]
[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221]
he has no intention of responding to the request
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I did so in my previous post, I told you I won't hand over the funds.

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221]
he has no intention of justifying his actions.
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My previous post has a lengthy explanation of my decision.
You might not like it, you might disagree, but it's there.

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221]
At that time I'll have to step up my depute if no response occurs.
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Do whatever you think is necessary.
Just keep in mind that you're not in the right here, and any action you take might amount to a violation, eg if you attempt to start a flag.
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There's nothing about asking for time to work out who to give the funds to, nore why two and a half years after the first thread was suddenly locked he is still holding onto the donation funds.

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Am still working my way through the various posts and replys, but here's a question before I forget to post it elsewhere:

How does @Lutpin propose refunding a donation that was made either through a coin mixer, or, a lightning coin swap service?  I'm pretty sure there's one of each... 

(or from say Cryptopia or any other exchange that has folded for that matter?)

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[quote author=LFC_Bitcoin link=topic=5157840.msg51587417#msg51587417 date=1561397937]
Thank you marlboroza, I’ve removed my support for the moment.

@Timelord - Why did you refuse to give Lutpin an address for your share to be sent to?
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I didn't - it's FUD by @Marlboroza - notice he doesn't cite a reference?  He only uses the tried and trusted "IIRC"

[quote author=marlboroza link=topic=5157840.msg51587325#msg51587325 date=1561397331]
Lutpin said to Timelord that he will send them their share which timelord refused IIRC and created tag type 3.

Sorry for editing post few times.
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Unless he's removed that comment by the time you go back and review it.

You have already answered your own question:


At any rate there was a couple of ideas put forward starting here on the 5th of April 2019

Given you are a somewhat regular contributor to this thread you will have no doubt seen this post and read the contents of the signed message:


You did read this didn't you?  I have created Vanity Addresses 1KNoWNMK34nGWz2sJy1JzihZdLCGTKcziw and 1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6 for use in the Known Alts Mk III thread for donations to support the team of investigators as they see fit to distribute the donated funds from time to time.

And as I said to you back in February:

Hey look at that - I'm in first place.

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Lutpin explained it differently claiming it was to compensate the administrator of the thread for their time spent maintaining the list. (which was mexxer-2 who owes him money)

Lutpin then deflected by not answering why he gifted himself the major portion of the funds.

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@HCP If another thread was started and run concurrently to the Known Alts thread and calling itself the Known Alts thread it would then be a case of which Known Alts thread was the *real* Known Alts thread.  There is no other thread.  The Mk III follows on from the Mk II which follows on from the Mk I.

Were I to close the thread, then naturally I would be asking how the funds should be distributed. QED.

There is no "opinion" - just facts. And where am I wrong?  All you have managed to do is re-confirm Lutpin is refusing to hand over the funds.

I am creating a Red Flag against Lutpin today after having tried without success for the last few weeks to have Lutpin hand over the donation funds for the Known Alts thread that have been donated to the wallet address 1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy which at the time of writing this has a balance of 0.017975 BTC.

The Known Alts thread has had three incarnations:

Mk I   - 65 pages, 1,287 posts
Mk II  - 73 pages, 1,441 posts
Mk III - 79 pages, 1,575 posts (and counting) with less than 24 hours between the first and second and then less than 24 hours between the second and third thread's creation. 

Lutpin claims both the Lauda created thread and the thread I started are not the same as the first thread created by mexxer-2 as a primary reason for not handing over the donation funds.

@mexxer-2 created the first thread and locked it abruptly, @Lauda created the second thread and locked it abruptly so I created a third thread - but as yet see no need to lock it.

At some early stage after when mexxer-2 created the first thread the aforementioned wallet address 1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy was created for donations.  Lutpin was the person holding the funds.

Two separate payouts occurred with one payout being mostly to Lutpin himself and the second payout was to an unspecified wallet address with no explanation forthcoming.

At the start of May 2019 I created two wallet addresses for donations to be made after a brief discussion amongst the active contributors where it was agreed I would hold onto donated funds.  ON the 13th of May I put out an appeal to whomever held onto the original donation funds to transfer them to the new wallet address signing a message.

02 June 2019, 11:09:47 I sent Lutpin a PM requesting the funds be sent over.


But received no reply.

On the 6th of June 2019 I asked if anyone was in contact with Lutpin who holds onto the donation funds.  Joel_Jensen offered to send a message, however, no message in reply by Lutpin.

On the 17 June 2019, 14:35:35 I posted in the known Alts thread that I had tried contacting Lutpin and I noted that he had been online multiple times after my initial PM to him.

Both in a PM the next day and in the Known Alts thread Lutpin has claimed the Mk II and III threads are not the same as the Mk I thread but won't elaborate.  Lutpin also states the funds are his to do with as he sees fit.

Given Lutpin is in dispute with mexxer-2 over money owed by mexxer-2 to Lutpin I asked how the two could discuss the funds being distributed, but got no reply.

Lutpin in two separate PM's has made veiled threats about what kind of retaliation he will take should I proceed to give him a Red Flag (type 3) as well as again dangling the promise of paying me "As a sign of good will" [7], [8] from the Known Alts "donation funds as a recognition of your valued contributions".

Lutpin doesn't want to discuss the donation funds for the thread that was closed two and a half years ago, nore does he want to hand over the funds to anyone else.

ON the 18th I posted a lengthy breakdown of the events that have transpired in the Known Alts thread and it was another three days later that Lutpin finally responded.

[quote author=Lutpin link=topic=2544574.msg51543085#msg51543085 date=1561085120]
[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221]
he has no intention of responding to the request
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I did so in my previous post, I told you I won't hand over the funds.

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221]
he has no intention of justifying his actions.
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My previous post has a lengthy explanation of my decision.
You might not like it, you might disagree, but it's there.

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221]
At that time I'll have to step up my depute if no response occurs.
[/quote]
Do whatever you think is necessary.
Just keep in mind that you're not in the right here, and any action you take might amount to a violation, eg if you attempt to start a flag.
[/quote]

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Lutpin has again been online in the last three days, but has not handed over the donation funds even though he admits I am an intended recipient and the consensus of the current contributors is that I be tasked with holding donation funds.

Because I am an intended recipient and on behalf of the other contributors I am left with no choice but to create this Red Flag Type 3.

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51506691#msg51506691 date=1560831926]
So Lutpin, please forward the remaining 0.017975 BTC (less *appropriate* transaction fees) from the wallet address 1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy to the wallet address 1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6 [Signed] as previously requested.
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[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg25949100#msg25949100 date=1512704962]
The following is a "live" balance:
which is valued at

1KNoWNMK34nGWz2sJy1JzihZdLCGTKcziw
1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6

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Sorry bud, just a ledger of the block-chain transactions.  How that is recorded I don't know.

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Lutpin has been online each day [3], [4], [5] which tells me he has no intention of responding to the request or justifying his actions.

I'm away now until Monday my time (about eighty hours from now). At that time I'll have to step up my depute if no response occurs - I think I've given Lutpin enough time now.

They seem to "sign" a lot of documents...

There's an admin who in a PM to me claimed he is an alt of quickseller... after my posts started getting deleted... (which is still going on) ... then a couple of days ago quickseller in an open post made reference to my posts being deleted.  So, yeh, I can accept one of quicksellers' alts is an admin.

Please support the Flags against

DirectBet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=76 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=92

and

DirectDice https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=93

Thanks for reading.

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Are the trust scores based on your own trust settings, or, are they obtained using the ;dt at the end of the web address?

Now that you mention it, has anyone else noticed the (self proclaimed) Cryptopia employee BenTheAnonMod hasn't been online since Cryptopia went into Liquidation?

I'm not sure how to tell if an account is banned or not. I may not have flagged some accounts had I known they were banned. (Then again banned accounts have had their bans lifted, so maybe not).

Hmm, you must be down grading...

According to the last scrpae of your website on the 8th of March 2018, you had four data centres...

I'm just putting 180 Brodie Drive, Unit 5, Ricmond Hill, OM L4B 3K8, into bing.com and am tabulating the information in a few minutes.

...BTW Richmond Hill has a "H" in it...   [Archive] of your websites misspelling Richmond

Bing Maps

Must be a tight fit: (then again, you're across the road from the Buttonville Municipal Airport...)

It's a Post Box.
   

See also:

https://www.1stformations.co.uk/registered-office-service/



Ten seconds work on Bing.com

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Your website isn't doing too well either:



https://web.archive.org/web/20190618184447/https://www.whois.com/whois/bitcoinminerhosting.com
https://web.archive.org/web/20190618184513/https://www.whois.com/whois/mintmine.io

[Archived] and [Archived]

Looks like it was removed on the 26th of May 2019.

OTOH it was last archived on the 27th of May 2019.

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I know fairlady registered an account here, but I don't know if she was still actively (ahem) employed by Cryptopia in January 2019.

[Archive] & [Archive]

As my first line said, the list was for *all* posters, my omission was in not going back and adding a note on your name (my mistake - sorry) Am going back and correcting my post.

These are the UID creation dates for all posters.

09 June 2011, 20:35:46 Date Registered:    mkiskin
11 June 2011, 06:36:26 Date Registered:    der_haufen

12 April 2012, 03:29:48 Date Registered:    Victorvictory

25 November 2013, 10:27:16 Date Registered:    bitcoinfuralles
28 November 2013, 23:51:47 Date Registered:    potbtc
09 December 2013, 20:21:45 Date Registered:    soltys
24 December 2013, 22:00:14 Date Registered:    johnnybebitgood
29 December 2013, 12:33:20 Date Registered:    ning_aric <--- This one I discount based on the post count)
24 January 2014, 00:52:36 Date Registered:    wriggles

04 February 2014, 03:11:33 Date Registered:    Elvisradio
07 February 2014, 01:15:35 Date Registered:    32566446
14 February 2014, 23:57:18 Date Registered:    BTCwolf

14 April 2014, 01:36:49 Date Registered:    suchspelunker
27 April 2014, 21:14:03 Date Registered:    cutebaby

14 May 2014, 04:05:41 Date Registered:       gullu <--- This one I discount based on the post count)
21 May 2014, 19:29:57 Date Registered:       drexa953

21 August 2014, 18:13:25 Date Registered:    Johnny_Biceps
08 January 2015, 17:12:42 Date Registered:    nail.mike

16 May 2016, 02:19:47 Date Registered:       aioc <--- This one I discount based on the post count)

22 February 2019, 11:00:23 Date Registered:    SarahJonesENbT
22 February 2019, 11:45:59 Date Registered:    AidenKingBesc

21 April 2019, 13:25:13 Date Registered:    ArchDev

(last two 21 days apart ie three weeks)

11 May 2019, 16:53:04 Date Registered:       MintMine

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Damn! logfiles beat me to it!