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5581  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum 1.9 released on: November 05, 2013, 12:22:35 AM
Where to get the locale for the portable version. The old seems not to work.

I would like to see in a future version that after switching freeze or prioritize on an address that the whole list isnt painted new and i have to scroll back to the bottom to move forward, maybe having to open the second tab again too.

Nice would be to be able to select a couple of addresses and switch status too.

At the moment its not really fun working with a wallet that has many addresses already. There is a timed redraw too that stops everything, repaints and goes to the start of the list. Then i have to go to the bottom again and forward with what i did.
5582  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [ANN, OPEN] R14x: Intl. Robocoin GB ATM Launch in EU, N America, Feb '14. $123 on: November 04, 2013, 11:55:43 PM
I didn't buy into this to get 300% ROI, I bought into this to be a part owner in a global network of bitcoin atms. Now we are just fronting the cash to make you guys multi-millionaires.

I tend to agree with this sentiment, the main attraction to an ATM over a miner is that there is no concern about unpredictable future profitability. It should be able to run for the full life of the hardware and produce income for investors over that entire timeframe, rather than operate as financing of a longer-term investment for the corporation's owners.

I'm not particularly interested in becoming the corporation's lawyer, but if the main reason for the two year/300% ROI timeframe is legal compliance concerns I would be willing to put my expertise to use in overcoming that concern so this can become a life-of-the-ATM type investment rather than a bond-financing situation.

Oh, do tell? We are all ears. We have an oil/gas contracts expert on-board, but honestly, any help to navigate this legal international morass is greatly appreciated. We may be able to work out a BTC compensation for your services.

We really, really wish we could just give you guys partial ownership for life. Believe us: if there's a way to give you guys partial ownership for the life of the ATM outright, we'd take that option in a NY minute.

We are still reserving this option as our first choice, if this becomes feasible.


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FWIW, for those worrying about the legality of an offering running afoul of SEC laws, there is an exemption for "offerings of limited size."

"Not all offerings of securities must be registered with the Commission. Some exemptions from the registration requirement include:

    private offerings to a limited number of persons or institutions;

    offerings of limited size;

    intrastate offerings; and

    securities of municipal, state, and federal governments.

By exempting many small offerings from the registration process, the SEC seeks to foster capital formation by lowering the cost of offering securities to the public."


http://www.sec.gov/about/laws.shtml

Digging through it again, I could not find any clarification as to what size of an offering will trigger mandatory SEC registration.

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Pertaining to ROI payback: if you invested $123 in a share, with a 300% ROI guarantee, you will receive the BTC equivalent of $492, or 4x your original investment.

Again, our first choice is to give you outright ownership if we can legally square this away, with this 300% ROI guarantee of 4x your original investment as our 2nd option we *really* don't want to take, but may be forced to at this early stage of our startup's operations.


One ATM is limited size for sure.

But when i read the ROI... turning $123 into $492 might be 300% ROI but only if the bitcoin price freezes now. If the bitcoin price goes from $230 to $690 in 2 years it would be the same like keeping the bitcoins. If the bitcoin price is higher thatn $690 in 2years!!! then it would be a negative ROI for me instead keeping my bitcoins. And i highly doubt that the bitcoin is at 690$ in 2 years. If he is lower or even dead then the ATMs would be dead too.

So thats not for me. I dont see why the ROI is calculated in USD but maybe the numbers are correct from the first ATMs results. Where are the numbers of that ATM? Maybe these numbers are not real and in reality higher?
5583  Economy / Securities / Re: [Bitfunder]&[WeExchange] WARNING! The Fall of Ukyo! on: November 04, 2013, 11:44:41 PM
yes, today would be VERY nice...

If it is faster, until the withdrawals are not properly fixed, can you unlock the "processing" stucked bitcoins and return them in the bitfunder account?

Wouldnt matter anymore since you cant buy shares with it or am i wrong? And the bitcoins remain in weexchange anyway even when they are in bitfunder. thats the design.

Until november 14th verified users are able to buy or sell shares

Oh, somehow i got the impression it stopped instantly. Good when its otherwise.
5584  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum 1.9 released on: November 04, 2013, 11:41:56 PM
Great! Unfortunately http://electrum-desktop.com/ isnt reachable for me... are downloads happening directly from that domain so that its maybe overloaded?
where is that url still advertised?

Always used it. But the new website is opening...
5585  Economy / Securities / Re: [Bitfunder]&[WeExchange] WARNING! The Fall of Ukyo! on: November 04, 2013, 11:27:35 PM
yes, today would be VERY nice...

If it is faster, until the withdrawals are not properly fixed, can you unlock the "processing" stucked bitcoins and return them in the bitfunder account?

Wouldnt matter anymore since you cant buy shares with it or am i wrong? And the bitcoins remain in weexchange anyway even when they are in bitfunder. thats the design.
5586  Economy / Securities / Re: [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Labcoin Official Thread - Self-Moderated on: November 04, 2013, 10:55:38 PM
How can it be that the divs for 2 days are less than the divs for 1 day previously?

And now we lost bitfunder and weexchange too... security investing is dying.

There was no "security investing" here.  Ever.
You must mean lulzy scams like this Labcoin thing, the very shit that made me embarrassed to be a bitcoiner?




There were good securities like Asicminer... but i admit the number of such securities is not really impressive.
How can it be that the divs for 2 days are less than the divs for 1 day previously?

And now we lost bitfunder and weexchange too... security investing is dying.


Sam hasn't paid any divs at all in several days. 

For me the last payment was on 2.11 at 2:20. Probably the timezone. So now its nearly 3 days without div, thats right.
5587  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: November 04, 2013, 10:50:43 PM
with bitfunder shutting down ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg3482565#msg3482565 ) do i still have to pay the fee for transfering my shares into direct shares? that sucks a little bit  Angry

I think PT-Owners want to keep their PT, so they will move to another exchange. Only if they want to stop the PT they would turn them into direct shares without fee i think.
5588  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How much slower is a big block propagating than a small block? on: November 04, 2013, 10:36:28 PM
It takes longer to transmit more data, it takes longer to run more checksig operations (the latter reduced somewhat by caching, if the transactions had already been public). Thats it.

So its inevitable that big blocks, that contain all transactions, are slower and have the risk of being orphaned? I dont think that is good for the network.

Cant this be speed up anyhow? There is no small datapart that can be checked beforehand so its known that the block is correct. Then the incoming block could be streamed already while incoming to the next nodes without the full block proof. Nothing like that possible?
5589  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [ANN, OPEN] R14x: Intl. Robocoin GB ATM Launch in EU, N America, Feb '14. $123 on: November 04, 2013, 10:21:46 PM
So now you explain that i only jumpstart your own business? I have to donate my part of the ATM to you after 2 years? So that its not only the 20% you earn as the organisator you get 100% later for all the ATM.

Why is that needed? This doesnt have to be a security. I dont need to own a company. I own a part on a machine. I doubt thats a security. And if it were, then i dont own a part on the machine, i would get bounty since i brought the company a good thing some time ago? Bounties are paid out all the time.

Anyway... with Asicminer i knew friedcat will get his fair share and i will take part the whole time. Im not sure that i want to see ATM's being a big success over time and then i have to donate everything like it became the next google type of success.

And the ROI over 2 years? I bought shares in USD. So i hope that doesnt mean i get revenue in USD. Since when i look at the developing of the bitcoin price it would be laughable it bitcoins would be only 3 times as costly in 2 years as they are now. So if your ROI is calculated in USD really it would be a sure way to make a loss.

When i invest im in with my money as risk and i want to be in with my money with the success too. Not being the donator that donates someone other a big business.

I hope you find another solution since i dont like this.
5590  Economy / Securities / Re: [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Labcoin Official Thread - Self-Moderated on: November 04, 2013, 09:45:50 PM
How can it be that the divs for 2 days are less than the divs for 1 day previously?

And now we lost bitfunder and weexchange too... security investing is dying.
5591  Economy / Securities / Re: [Bitfunder]&[WeExchange] WARNING! The Fall of Ukyo! on: November 04, 2013, 09:30:03 PM
And... dead... bitfunder is dying till the mid of the month...
5592  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: November 04, 2013, 09:26:55 PM
...So a month without divs might lead to a way higher div later. Of course it had to be calculated through thoroughly if it would work this way.

We're talking ActM divs here.
A month without your divs might pay for a McD dinner & even super-size it, or buy a nice clean pair of pants, but i'm afraid that's about it Sad

If you hold over 100,000 shares the divs are just about enough for an entry level McDonalds burger.

The conversation was about the real divs coming. The divs now wouldnt make a difference for sure.
5593  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official ASICMINER Hardware Information on: November 04, 2013, 09:19:43 PM
Just buy a preorder from another company.

Then you donīt know if it will ROI in the beginning.
Later you will realise you lost much more then buying asicminer hardware.
Lulz so you are saying you'd lose less.
Isn't the point to not actually lose at all?

Keep the BTC and you won't lose BTC Tongue

Buy AM and you almost certainly will lose.

Anyone who got a 10GH/s miner (of any brand) on the 14th of May will so far have made ~26.6BTC PPS expected.
Hopefully no one paid 50BTC for them back then, no chance they'll make 50BTC ...


 keep doing your accounting in btc.  50 btc in may 2013 was  as low as 80 a coin or 4000 usd.   so if I took 4000 usd in may purchased 50btc and then purchased your 10th device holding on to every coin mined.  I would  now have 26 btc worth 210 each  that is 5460 usd minus 4000 usd and you get 1460 usd. power cost would have been about 260 usd and your taxable profit  is 1200 usd.

usa tax law would say that item made a profit.  now I agree if you have paid 4000 usd for coins in may held them until now they are worth about 10500 usd so your profit would have been 6500 usd.

so both moves made money one move made less profit but still profit.   We live in a world that most countries charge taxes base on the fiat of that country not BTC but BTC convert to the local fiat.  

  These 2 btc 38gh cubes at todays rates are around 420 usd .  I use usd since I pay taxes in usd.   If I buy a cube and mine vs buy coins and hold I am subject to very different tax issues.  So your use of btc to explain profit is very naive or since I know you are a very good programer slick bs to con people that don't understand the tax laws of their country very well.   My point is AM gear has turned profit as defined by USA tax law.  It has not done as well as hold BTC has in the same time period.  So to say AM is a loser is wrong as many of us made good money on USB sticks and blades.

  I for one am looking forward to a 2 btc 38gh cube.  but it needs to plug n play with bit minter's java client.   They will use 120 watts vs 300 watts that the usb sticks use to mine  the same gh. 

Why should one buy a miner when the profit he can make only comes from the bitcoin-usd-price? All the work included and then having even less than simply keeping or buying and keeping bitcoins?

I only see preorder miners with positive ROI. Though this will have changed once they finally ship: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

I see you say that the profit coming from bitcoins hold against mined bitcoins have an even lower profit than mining? Could you elaborate? I dont see how this should work.
5594  Economy / Securities / Re: [Bitfunder]&[WeExchange] WARNING! The Fall of Ukyo! on: November 04, 2013, 08:58:27 PM
Regarding login-error... i think i once had the same and i used a different browser where it worked then. Maybe worth a try.

I dont know what to think. Bitcoind is crashing fast? Then why not enabling it and start the payout routine until it crashes again? I guess a couple minutes would be way more than needed to pay out all the waiting transactions. Hell, he even could sit and watch the deamon until it crashs and restart it.

So for now im not convinced and fear there arent enough bitcoins. I dont see why he shouldnt be able to payout otherwise.

And what other support tickets are more important? I wrote a ticket some days ago already.

I can only say he gave me enough assurances for me to give him another few days to sort this out. I told him I'd rather he give a fixed date for wallet functionality than leave everyone in the dark. I would rather that than have to try every day and not know. It'd never be good news but I'd prefer fixed news - as long as he was held to it - than the current situ where I am just having to retry constantly and it feels like the money isn't even there.

Fixing the underlying issues would also deal with almost all the support tickets at a stroke, so to me it's much more important to fix the problem than trawl through support requests whilst more and more stack up, people get angrier, and resolution gets farther away.

He could also evidence the cold/hot wallets containing people's funds.

Ok, lets see whats the status in some days...
5595  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: November 04, 2013, 08:56:05 PM
The extra shares didn't hit the order book.  It's quite possible they were given as payment for work performed on upcoming hash power...

I prefer my wild speculations to come with a happy ending.

Who would accept labcoin shares as payment? Sam should still have enough bitcoins so i would demand bitcoins for payment and i probably could get way more shares with those bitcoins then.

So its either someone who checked the divs and the shareprice and found that labcoin is a good deal...

If its really Sam then he either knows that the shareprice will rise soon because of more hashpower or he wants to get out of this all by stopping ipo and paying out the btc he holds. In the hope of not being sued.
5596  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / How much slower is a big block propagating than a small block? on: November 04, 2013, 08:48:48 PM
There is a tip that not including transactions in a block will help propagate the block faster because of the size. Even though i dont know that this was done already it looks like many miners exclude transactions with no and low fee, probably for that reason.

Now my question is... is the slower propagation of big blocks only because it takes a bit longer to transfer the block or is there another waiting time until that block is checked for some reason. So that it might take longer to check if that block is valid until it spreads.

I mean nothing holds a miner from, for example only include transactions he gets a decent fee from. If this helps him propagating faster it might be a good move for him. But it wouldnt for the network.

So is there a way to make it more fair somehow so that big blocks have the same speed of propagation (on the assumption they are similiar connected to the network) like small blocks? A found block has to be transferred in full, checked in full and sent to other nodes in full again without a chance of speeding it up? I guess sending a block forward before it was fully received and proofed might mean a security risk of ddosing the network.
5597  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN] on: November 04, 2013, 07:42:50 PM

I've been thinking about this.  Problem is that my email methods do not support attachments and updating all that would be a lot of work.  Maybe we could email everyone their API keys. The read-only API's are still up and could probably be kept up for a month or two.

Cheers.


Wouldnt that mean having to code a script to download that things or is it possible to create a url including the api key and download the csv this way easily?
5598  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Breaking: Silk Road geseizet, Betreiber verhaftet on: November 04, 2013, 07:32:17 PM
Wenn das hier stimmt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSqf6RjYkoU dann hat Merkel eh nicht viel mehr zu machen als zuzustimmen wenn Amerika anfragt. Siehe: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/historiker-foschepoth-ueber-us-ueberwachung-die-nsa-darf-in-deutschland-alles-machen-1.1717216
5599  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum 1.9 released on: November 04, 2013, 07:24:01 PM
After several delays, version 1.9 is finally out!

Here is the changelog:
# Release 1.9
* Create transactions with multiple outputs from CSV (comma separated values)


Great! Unfortunately http://electrum-desktop.com/ isnt reachable for me... are downloads happening directly from that domain so that its maybe overloaded?
5600  Economy / Securities / Re: [Bitfunder]&[WeExchange] WARNING! The Fall of Ukyo! on: November 04, 2013, 07:18:12 PM
Regarding login-error... i think i once had the same and i used a different browser where it worked then. Maybe worth a try.

I dont know what to think. Bitcoind is crashing fast? Then why not enabling it and start the payout routine until it crashes again? I guess a couple minutes would be way more than needed to pay out all the waiting transactions. Hell, he even could sit and watch the deamon until it crashs and restart it.

So for now im not convinced and fear there arent enough bitcoins. I dont see why he shouldnt be able to payout otherwise.

And what other support tickets are more important? I wrote a ticket some days ago already.
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