On a positive note, I did receive a response to my support question within a day, when I contacted Wagerr regarding a transaction.
Yes, it was ok overall. Once these guys launch the product - I am sure that we will see at least a 5-10x increase in the otherwise low price. Any other exchanges selling Wagerr? (Not that I m moving from WAVES - I like decntralized exchanges) - That will help in awareness and price. At this point in time, how far are we away from the product launch? |
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What can the community expect from you in terms of development? Have you guys been involved with other / former crypto projects and what were those about?
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is this project in any way similar to EOS? The concept sounds at least familiar.
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Another example is medical data. For example, if hospitals combined all data on cancer treatments and cancer patients, there could be more effective treatments. The reason is that cancer is commonly treated in a one-size-fits-all fashion (tons of chemo and radiation) instead of a personalized treatment based on the type of cancer and its location among other characteristics. But many hospitals prefer to sit on their data, which by the way is often stored in a non-standard proprietary format too. This situation is not helped by privacy advocates fighting medical databases. https://www.statnews.com/2017/06/06/data-sharing-cancer-treatment/Now we are straying far away from GATCOIN's area but I think the message that analyzing consumer data could provide a mutual benefit is clear. Yes this is another very interesting and relevant example from your side. I think you can gain infinite benefits from analyzing data over and over again. Logically, there is no limit to the results that you could gather from a growing set of data. We need the infrastructures in place that provide sufficient security for all the data to be pooled and analyzed without violating privacy aspects. We are on the right way I think. The danger lies in "there is no limit to the results that you could gather from a growing set of data." You can combine and massage data in any way you want to get any result that is desired. Risking a Godwin, here is an example: Chillingly, there can be no question that the Geheime Staatspolizei’s aura of omniscience was due in no small measure to its special competence in gathering and organizing huge quantities of data on resistance movements, potentially subversive individuals, informers, industrial firms, publications, even other security agencies, and making that information readily accessible to its field agents through an ingeniously contrived system of multi-colored index cards. One shudders to think what the Gestapo might have done with just a handful of the data-mining tools currently employed by the NSA.And: the "only way to protect the people’s privacy is not to allow the government to collect their information in the first place.”http://www.businessinsider.com/stasi-talks-about-nsa-surveillance-state-2013-6Or perhaps more relevant to us: “Miners are getting jailed and accused of terrorism, money laundering, computer crimes and many other crimes,” read one comment from a user who claimed to be Venezuelan.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/10/bitcoin-mining-is-big-business-in-venezuela-but-the-government-wants-to-shut-it-down/Filling in those PC hardware cashback forms with your name and address could land you in trouble. If GATCOIN has a way to redeem rewards without giving away that much personal information, that would be a boon for privacy. I 100% agree with you and I like the sources you provided. I think with blockchain infrastructures we are on a good way to have both massive data analytics and individual privacy. How it all plays out? We will see in the future  Those examples of mass surveillance for oppression, despite the deep imprints they have left in history, are symptoms of an unsolved fundamental economic problem in the world: resource scarcity. but the question for me arises whether scarcity is exclusively a problem? Without scarcity, much of the incentives that drive innovation, efficiency and performance would be gone. Scarcity is probably good and bad at the same time. Would you agree with that? |
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it is annoying how much info gets lost just because of all these airdrop posts. Why not just open a purely airdrop dedicated thread?
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Lets go ebtc to the moon again  What was the all time high, like close to $1.00? It just touch 80 cents for a moment i think before the drop began. given where we are now there is quite some room for improvement then |
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On a positive note, I did receive a response to my support question within a day, when I contacted Wagerr regarding a transaction.
yes they are mostly responsive, although it could be a lot faster. |
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Anyone know what the wagerr team did with the bitcoin cash from the fork for example?
Has that not been publicly discussed yet? I think they should really be transparent about that. |
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Lets go ebtc to the moon again What was the all time high, like close to $1.00? |
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I don't understand why all projects run the airdrop in the same thread where they have the discussion about the project. Nobody will have a look at such a thread and search for questions and answers. All the important information gets buried.
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Another example is medical data. For example, if hospitals combined all data on cancer treatments and cancer patients, there could be more effective treatments. The reason is that cancer is commonly treated in a one-size-fits-all fashion (tons of chemo and radiation) instead of a personalized treatment based on the type of cancer and its location among other characteristics. But many hospitals prefer to sit on their data, which by the way is often stored in a non-standard proprietary format too. This situation is not helped by privacy advocates fighting medical databases. https://www.statnews.com/2017/06/06/data-sharing-cancer-treatment/Now we are straying far away from GATCOIN's area but I think the message that analyzing consumer data could provide a mutual benefit is clear. Yes this is another very interesting and relevant example from your side. I think you can gain infinite benefits from analyzing data over and over again. Logically, there is no limit to the results that you could gather from a growing set of data. We need the infrastructures in place that provide sufficient security for all the data to be pooled and analyzed without violating privacy aspects. We are on the right way I think. The danger lies in "there is no limit to the results that you could gather from a growing set of data." You can combine and massage data in any way you want to get any result that is desired. Risking a Godwin, here is an example: Chillingly, there can be no question that the Geheime Staatspolizei’s aura of omniscience was due in no small measure to its special competence in gathering and organizing huge quantities of data on resistance movements, potentially subversive individuals, informers, industrial firms, publications, even other security agencies, and making that information readily accessible to its field agents through an ingeniously contrived system of multi-colored index cards. One shudders to think what the Gestapo might have done with just a handful of the data-mining tools currently employed by the NSA.And: the "only way to protect the people’s privacy is not to allow the government to collect their information in the first place.”http://www.businessinsider.com/stasi-talks-about-nsa-surveillance-state-2013-6Or perhaps more relevant to us: “Miners are getting jailed and accused of terrorism, money laundering, computer crimes and many other crimes,” read one comment from a user who claimed to be Venezuelan.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/10/bitcoin-mining-is-big-business-in-venezuela-but-the-government-wants-to-shut-it-down/Filling in those PC hardware cashback forms with your name and address could land you in trouble. If GATCOIN has a way to redeem rewards without giving away that much personal information, that would be a boon for privacy. I 100% agree with you and I like the sources you provided. I think with blockchain infrastructures we are on a good way to have both massive data analytics and individual privacy. How it all plays out? We will see in the future |
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Every company wants this kind of statistics. The question is - will GATCOIN sell this info to third parties or they will be using this only for themselves?
Well, I must have a rare opinion but I'm not opposed at all to merchants having personnal datas about me. These are used to make better and more adapted products, while understanding consumers behaviour. Ok, their goal is to make more money, but they make more money because their products become better for me. It is a generational thing. There are generations of people that still remember the world before the mass adoption of internet who are less comfortable with the collection of personal data. On the other hand, the generation that was born with a smartphone in their hand, so to speak, welcomes an internet that is tailored to their preferences. It is that latter group for whom GATCOIN's analysis of consumer behavior would be a particular win-win-win situation: consumers benefit from better offers, retailers get more insight in their consumers and GATCOIN earns more fees. Best example is google of course with all its genius services. Take alone google maps and how precisely it navigates you from A to B by now with all kinds of alternatives should there be traffic problems. Why is that possible? Because I give them access to my mobility data. There is a good and a bad side to that of course. But we also need to decide what we do want and what we do not want. If we want a super easy life with computers telling us everything, then data is the currency we have to use for payment. Another example is medical data. For example, if hospitals combined all data on cancer treatments and cancer patients, there could be more effective treatments. The reason is that cancer is commonly treated in a one-size-fits-all fashion (tons of chemo and radiation) instead of a personalized treatment based on the type of cancer and its location among other characteristics. But many hospitals prefer to sit on their data, which by the way is often stored in a non-standard proprietary format too. This situation is not helped by privacy advocates fighting medical databases. https://www.statnews.com/2017/06/06/data-sharing-cancer-treatment/Now we are straying far away from GATCOIN's area but I think the message that analyzing consumer data could provide a mutual benefit is clear. Yes this is another very interesting and relevant example from your side. I think you can gain infinite benefits from analyzing data over and over again. Logically, there is no limit to the results that you could gather from a growing set of data. We need the infrastructures in place that provide sufficient security for all the data to be pooled and analyzed without violating privacy aspects. We are on the right way I think. |
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I only have 50 character signature, how can I add your signature?  Apologies, only Jr. Members and above can join the signature campaign. When you say that items are going to be voted on by the community via the blockchain, does that mean that every single product or listing itself is publicly visible? Otherwise, they couldn't be voted on. And can I list an item straight on your marketplace or does there first have to be vote about that?
There will be private listings but by default every listing will be public and can be seen at the marketplace directly. However, in case a seller stops responding to messages or stop shipping orders then this will be publicly visible to all users and buyers who have already placed their orders or potential buyers planning to place order and holding LBC will be able to vote against the seller and once minimum threshold have been reached then final decision will be made based on the seller stats (current + past history), number of voters and LBT (then LBC) held by each of them, considering all these factors item will be removed from the marketplace. To accept an order sellers needs to have LBC in their wallets that is equivalent to the total price of an order. In case an item is removed, LBC belonging to the buyers that are in escrow will be refunded to them whereas LBC in escrow that belonged to the sellers will be burned. Demand for LBC goes up whenever an item is removed from the marketplace. However, sellers have a strong incentive to ensure that their listing doesn't gets removed with any pending orders. And how will those private listings work or who can make use of that? Is that some premium function then or does it depend on the nature of the product? What happens if someone wants to sell illegal products? It wouldn't be bad if it was publicly visible, but if there is a private function then that might lead to a lot of abuse. Both ways could lead to bad results, I know. You might not want to make your item available to everyone so private listings will allow accessing a single item and / or group of items that are not accessible directly at the marketplace and you need to have a secret address to access these listings. However, they will follow the same rule for item removal as is the case for public listings so let's say if someone lists an illegal items privately and shares its address on a blog to abuse the market's anonymity features then even then the listing can be accessed and removed from the marketplace through community consensus. Please explain in more detail how to participate? how payments are made. When will it go to the stock exchanges.
Please read instructions to join the airdrop and / or signature campaign. Pre-ICO will be held in later half of Fall 2017 and the tokens will be listed on exchanges after completion of the pre-ICO. No firm timelines are available at the moment but tentatively LBT will be listed within 2 weeks after completion of the pre-ICO. Ok so every item will be attached to an address. And once any person shares that address, everyone else actually knows what kind of item is currently listed on your marketplace and could vote for removing that item. Is there an up vote and down vote function so to say for any product? If that was the case, your platform could actually deliver very interesting info to authorities when it comes to illegal products. Not necessarily in terms of identities, but just statistics. Private listings will be attached to an address as they won't be accessible from anywhere else in the marketplace and users can up / down vote products that have been listed both privately and publicly. Sales figure, votes / ratings and reviews against all products will be publicly visible for both public listings as well as private listings as long as you can access these listings through the secret address. But only those with access to the private listing can up vote or down vote an item I assume? The thing is that a privately listed item is unlikely to be down voted, since those who are granted access are probably those with an interest in the product. Again, how about illegal products? If those are privately listed, let's say child porn, is there any built-in security measure to prevent those goods from being traded on your platform? I feel there can't be. This is not to say that your platform is bad, I just ask out of interest whether you came up with some thoughts already about that or not? |
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BTC is like Playstation3, while eBTC is like PS4! - Bitcoin on the Ethereum blockchain - that is it! I buy it! Its not fairy tail, its not illusion! This is Reality! Its the real alternative, better alternative for Bitcoin! A lot of people want this, therefore eBTC is so popular Many people forget that there is no single blockchain out there with a comparable security level of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is insanely secure, and not even Ethereum is close to that. |
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Man all these airdrop projects lead to an explosion of the thread activity  |
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I only have 50 character signature, how can I add your signature? Apologies, only Jr. Members and above can join the signature campaign. When you say that items are going to be voted on by the community via the blockchain, does that mean that every single product or listing itself is publicly visible? Otherwise, they couldn't be voted on. And can I list an item straight on your marketplace or does there first have to be vote about that?
There will be private listings but by default every listing will be public and can be seen at the marketplace directly. However, in case a seller stops responding to messages or stop shipping orders then this will be publicly visible to all users and buyers who have already placed their orders or potential buyers planning to place order and holding LBC will be able to vote against the seller and once minimum threshold have been reached then final decision will be made based on the seller stats (current + past history), number of voters and LBT (then LBC) held by each of them, considering all these factors item will be removed from the marketplace. To accept an order sellers needs to have LBC in their wallets that is equivalent to the total price of an order. In case an item is removed, LBC belonging to the buyers that are in escrow will be refunded to them whereas LBC in escrow that belonged to the sellers will be burned. Demand for LBC goes up whenever an item is removed from the marketplace. However, sellers have a strong incentive to ensure that their listing doesn't gets removed with any pending orders. And how will those private listings work or who can make use of that? Is that some premium function then or does it depend on the nature of the product? What happens if someone wants to sell illegal products? It wouldn't be bad if it was publicly visible, but if there is a private function then that might lead to a lot of abuse. Both ways could lead to bad results, I know. You might not want to make your item available to everyone so private listings will allow accessing a single item and / or group of items that are not accessible directly at the marketplace and you need to have a secret address to access these listings. However, they will follow the same rule for item removal as is the case for public listings so let's say if someone lists an illegal items privately and shares its address on a blog to abuse the market's anonymity features then even then the listing can be accessed and removed from the marketplace through community consensus. Please explain in more detail how to participate? how payments are made. When will it go to the stock exchanges.
Please read instructions to join the airdrop and / or signature campaign. Pre-ICO will be held in later half of Fall 2017 and the tokens will be listed on exchanges after completion of the pre-ICO. No firm timelines are available at the moment but tentatively LBT will be listed within 2 weeks after completion of the pre-ICO. Ok so every item will be attached to an address. And once any person shares that address, everyone else actually knows what kind of item is currently listed on your marketplace and could vote for removing that item. Is there an up vote and down vote function so to say for any product? If that was the case, your platform could actually deliver very interesting info to authorities when it comes to illegal products. Not necessarily in terms of identities, but just statistics. |
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Every company wants this kind of statistics. The question is - will GATCOIN sell this info to third parties or they will be using this only for themselves?
Well, I must have a rare opinion but I'm not opposed at all to merchants having personnal datas about me. These are used to make better and more adapted products, while understanding consumers behaviour. Ok, their goal is to make more money, but they make more money because their products become better for me. It is a generational thing. There are generations of people that still remember the world before the mass adoption of internet who are less comfortable with the collection of personal data. On the other hand, the generation that was born with a smartphone in their hand, so to speak, welcomes an internet that is tailored to their preferences. It is that latter group for whom GATCOIN's analysis of consumer behavior would be a particular win-win-win situation: consumers benefit from better offers, retailers get more insight in their consumers and GATCOIN earns more fees. Best example is google of course with all its genius services. Take alone google maps and how precisely it navigates you from A to B by now with all kinds of alternatives should there be traffic problems. Why is that possible? Because I give them access to my mobility data. There is a good and a bad side to that of course. But we also need to decide what we do want and what we do not want. If we want a super easy life with computers telling us everything, then data is the currency we have to use for payment. |
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Who did really think they could stick to their timeline? It's a huge project and the first one of its kind. It was pretty clear they would need more time than expected. I wouldn't even be surprised if they would announce a second delay in a few month.
Nevertheless I hope rewriting the whole code was the right decision.
Very true. As I knew very well that 95% of all mega projects(be it programming or non-programming) were subjected to delay in common, I already spared a six months delay for Wagerr the very first time I read the roadmap during ICO. Therefore this one doesn't hurt my sentiment at all. Oppositely, by staying closely and observing every word the team frequently spoke on slack, I'm absolutely sure that this delay is a total positivity for the long run. Firstly, it has minimized the possible delay for mainnet as expected bugs and other programming hassles can be solved easier during this period before the official release. Secondly, launching the blockchain on 15th Jan doesn't effect the timeline much. But it would have avoided many technical failures causing price dips after the launch. Thirdly, I myself don't like to mess too much time with the experimental testnet, to avoid being implicated by the technical problems which were supposed to be solved at the dev's own obligation before exposing it to the public. They have clarified on Wagerr Slack that they are not necessarily to rewrite the code. But they must revamp and improve it to strengthen the security and workability. Very good point, and I see it the exact same way. People around here should adjust their expectations when it comes to ambitious projects. |
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I think you need to open a thread specifically dedicated to bounties. Apart from the rules of this forum, it also ruins this place as a source of info about your project.
Agreed, didn't mean to create so much commotion, tried pushing everything to twitter. I'll work on getting everyones out today. In addition we updated our white papers with our new roadmap and team bios. www.dfstoken.comYes and I also said that because they might shut down your thread which would be really annoying. Better get that sorted out quickly. |
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I only have 50 character signature, how can I add your signature? Apologies, only Jr. Members and above can join the signature campaign. When you say that items are going to be voted on by the community via the blockchain, does that mean that every single product or listing itself is publicly visible? Otherwise, they couldn't be voted on. And can I list an item straight on your marketplace or does there first have to be vote about that?
There will be private listings but by default every listing will be public and can be seen at the marketplace directly. However, in case a seller stops responding to messages or stop shipping orders then this will be publicly visible to all users and buyers who have already placed their orders or potential buyers planning to place order and holding LBC will be able to vote against the seller and once minimum threshold have been reached then final decision will be made based on the seller stats (current + past history), number of voters and LBT (then LBC) held by each of them, considering all these factors item will be removed from the marketplace. To accept an order sellers needs to have LBC in their wallets that is equivalent to the total price of an order. In case an item is removed, LBC belonging to the buyers that are in escrow will be refunded to them whereas LBC in escrow that belonged to the sellers will be burned. Demand for LBC goes up whenever an item is removed from the marketplace. However, sellers have a strong incentive to ensure that their listing doesn't gets removed with any pending orders. And how will those private listings work or who can make use of that? Is that some premium function then or does it depend on the nature of the product? What happens if someone wants to sell illegal products? It wouldn't be bad if it was publicly visible, but if there is a private function then that might lead to a lot of abuse. Both ways could lead to bad results, I know. |
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